| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Soren K." |
| Date: |
15 Aug 2004 11:15:19 PM |
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EXPOSING THE ATHEIST |
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The following articles are samplings of principles that demonstrate that =
atheism is pure heathenism and error. They present some of the reasons =
why you should turned away from atheism and nonbelief - to a staunch =
belief in the Almighty GOD. I ask you to examine these articles very =
carefully.=20
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The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its =
author. satan is its author.=20
It's important to remain conscious of the fact that satan had his origin =
in heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of =
God, heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus despite what you have been =
previously deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary's =
meaning of atheism, atheism is properly defined as a denial of the =
existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does =
indeed exist. Atheism knows God exists; it is quite familiar with that =
fact, but it says "under no circumstance or situation will I admit to =
God's existence."=20
Atheism clearly perceives the fingerprints of God on all of creation, =
but refuses to admit He is the Creator. Atheism perceives the divine =
authorship of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit that God is =
their Author. Atheism perceives the decorousness and perfection of the =
TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit they are superior to all other =
laws. Atheism clearly perceives the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, =
but refuses to admit His divinity. If an atheist could see the wounds in =
the body of Christ and actually feel them with his hands, he would deny =
that the wounds are there. Atheism is deliberate effort to never admit =
the existence of God.=20
Atheism is the ultimate of satanism. Ask satan does God exist and he =
will deny it. Ask him does satan exist and he will deny his own =
existence even while in your presence. Atheism holds the Bible in one =
hand, but deny its existence by denying its truth with the other.=20
In order to properly understand the nature of atheism, one must =
understand the natures of righteousness and sin. The two principles are =
antithetical to one another. Since sin is antithetical to righteousness, =
its very antithetical nature seeks to nullify righteousness. Since it is =
an antithetical principle to righteousness, it must remain true to its =
nature even in the most insane instances. Therefore it must hate God =
even though God is righteous and has given it no just cause for its =
hatred. It is this antithetical principle, called "the law of sin" which =
is at work in the hearts of atheists causing them to reject God. The law =
of sin is none other than the law that governs satan's kingdom.=20
Below are articles I've presented in effort to expose the true satanic =
nature of atheism, the great harm it is doing to the american society =
and the world community and to prove and demonstrate that atheists and =
all other nonbelievers in the true God are the actual criminals of the =
world community. I hope these articles will enable people to see that =
atheists are extremely dangerous people. Therefore laws should be made =
against them by all the governments of the world community.=20
--=20
Celebrating the stupidity of Atheists
www.atheistfools.com
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<P>The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its =
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<P>It's important to remain conscious of the fact that satan had his =
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circumstance=20
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<P>Atheism clearly perceives the fingerprints of God on all of creation, =
but=20
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authorship of=20
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refuses=20
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the=20
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an=20
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them with=20
his hands, he would deny that the wounds are there. Atheism is =
deliberate effort=20
to never admit the existence of God. </P>
<P>Atheism is the ultimate of satanism. Ask satan does God exist and he =
will=20
deny it. Ask him does satan exist and he will deny his own existence =
even while=20
in your presence. Atheism holds the Bible in one hand, but deny its =
existence by=20
denying its truth with the other. </P>
<P>In order to properly understand the nature of atheism, one must =
understand=20
the natures of righteousness and sin. The two principles are =
antithetical to one=20
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instances. Therefore it must hate God even though God is righteous and =
has given=20
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called "the=20
law of sin" which is at work in the hearts of atheists causing them to =
reject=20
God. The law of sin is none other than the law that governs satan's =
kingdom.=20
</P>
<P>Below are articles I've presented in effort to expose the true =
satanic nature=20
of atheism, the great harm it is doing to the american society and the =
world=20
community and to prove and demonstrate that atheists and all other =
nonbelievers=20
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these=20
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people.=20
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| User: "Chris Devol" |
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| Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST |
25 Aug 2004 11:56:09 PM |
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"christbomb" <christbomb@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nhpqi0lmt2gq03a1l1vmv0om7ne117h8u6@4ax.com...
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:21:13 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be
some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Pastor Dave Raymond
And I'd really like to see Randi define, in a precise, quantitative,
scientific way, what exactly he means by "paranormal", "supernatural",
and
"occult".
Of course, he'll never do this. The reason is that he can't even define
"normal" or "natural" in a precise quantitative scientific way! No one
can,
which is why people like Randi are mere entertainers, court jesters, not
serious students of reality. His game is rigged, and not very well.
Oh no, he has defined it as 'hallucination' and the clincher - 'hoaxes'
only believed in by the gullible. His game is no different than the
atheist who 'claims' to want evidence of the Divine, or the debunker who
'claims' to want evidence of UFO's and Extraterrestrials.
Randi is a professional debunker. He exposed Peter Popoff's scam, and
he helped Carson make a fool of Uri Geller on the tonight show. Etc.
Some magicians seem to dislike charlatans using magic. I don't know if
his game is rigged, but his contract relies on the claimant to propose
the rules. And do you really think he would turn down a Benny Hinn or
any prominent miracle worker? He's not afraid of them. I think he
honestly does not believe in the supernatural. A real miracle worker
could set Randi straight.
Christ said that if a person will not believe the Scriptures, then even if
someone were to rise from the dead (i.e. perform a miracle), they will still
not believe.
Randi will not be convinced unless God changes his whole personality. That's
the only miracle that would work on him.
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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| Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST |
25 Aug 2004 11:57:11 PM |
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Chris Devol wrote:
"christbomb" <christbomb@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nhpqi0lmt2gq03a1l1vmv0om7ne117h8u6@4ax.com...
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:21:13 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be
some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Pastor Dave Raymond
And I'd really like to see Randi define, in a precise, quantitative,
scientific way, what exactly he means by "paranormal", "supernatural",
and
"occult".
Of course, he'll never do this. The reason is that he can't even define
"normal" or "natural" in a precise quantitative scientific way! No one
can,
which is why people like Randi are mere entertainers, court jesters, not
serious students of reality. His game is rigged, and not very well.
Oh no, he has defined it as 'hallucination' and the clincher - 'hoaxes'
only believed in by the gullible. His game is no different than the
atheist who 'claims' to want evidence of the Divine, or the debunker who
'claims' to want evidence of UFO's and Extraterrestrials.
Randi is a professional debunker. He exposed Peter Popoff's scam, and
he helped Carson make a fool of Uri Geller on the tonight show. Etc.
Some magicians seem to dislike charlatans using magic. I don't know if
his game is rigged, but his contract relies on the claimant to propose
the rules. And do you really think he would turn down a Benny Hinn or
any prominent miracle worker? He's not afraid of them. I think he
honestly does not believe in the supernatural. A real miracle worker
could set Randi straight.
Christ said that if a person will not believe the Scriptures, then even if
someone were to rise from the dead (i.e. perform a miracle), they will still
not believe.
Randi will not be convinced unless God changes his whole personality. That's
the only miracle that would work on him.
No doubt. Materialistic people can't even prove how consciousness works
let alone debunk the Spirit world.
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| User: "christbomb" |
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| Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST |
26 Aug 2004 02:49:23 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:56:09 GMT, "Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote:
"christbomb" <christbomb@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nhpqi0lmt2gq03a1l1vmv0om7ne117h8u6@4ax.com...
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:21:13 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be
some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Pastor Dave Raymond
And I'd really like to see Randi define, in a precise, quantitative,
scientific way, what exactly he means by "paranormal", "supernatural",
and
"occult".
Of course, he'll never do this. The reason is that he can't even define
"normal" or "natural" in a precise quantitative scientific way! No one
can,
which is why people like Randi are mere entertainers, court jesters, not
serious students of reality. His game is rigged, and not very well.
Oh no, he has defined it as 'hallucination' and the clincher - 'hoaxes'
only believed in by the gullible. His game is no different than the
atheist who 'claims' to want evidence of the Divine, or the debunker who
'claims' to want evidence of UFO's and Extraterrestrials.
Randi is a professional debunker. He exposed Peter Popoff's scam, and
he helped Carson make a fool of Uri Geller on the tonight show. Etc.
Some magicians seem to dislike charlatans using magic. I don't know if
his game is rigged, but his contract relies on the claimant to propose
the rules. And do you really think he would turn down a Benny Hinn or
any prominent miracle worker? He's not afraid of them. I think he
honestly does not believe in the supernatural. A real miracle worker
could set Randi straight.
Christ said that if a person will not believe the Scriptures, then even if
someone were to rise from the dead (i.e. perform a miracle), they will still
not believe.
Randi will not be convinced unless God changes his whole personality. That's
the only miracle that would work on him.
I think Randi would be convinced by concrete evidence. Which miracle
workers have made any effort to hold him to his word?
.
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| User: "Chris Devol" |
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| Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST |
26 Aug 2004 12:30:41 PM |
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"christbomb" <christbomb@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:465ri05k1f5m1m9f1tu77i8o8c13tigfd1@4ax.com...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:56:09 GMT, "Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote:
"christbomb" <christbomb@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nhpqi0lmt2gq03a1l1vmv0om7ne117h8u6@4ax.com...
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:21:13 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be
some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Pastor Dave Raymond
And I'd really like to see Randi define, in a precise, quantitative,
scientific way, what exactly he means by "paranormal", "supernatural",
and
"occult".
Of course, he'll never do this. The reason is that he can't even
define
"normal" or "natural" in a precise quantitative scientific way! No one
can,
which is why people like Randi are mere entertainers, court jesters,
not
serious students of reality. His game is rigged, and not very well.
Oh no, he has defined it as 'hallucination' and the clincher - 'hoaxes'
only believed in by the gullible. His game is no different than the
atheist who 'claims' to want evidence of the Divine, or the debunker who
'claims' to want evidence of UFO's and Extraterrestrials.
Randi is a professional debunker. He exposed Peter Popoff's scam, and
he helped Carson make a fool of Uri Geller on the tonight show. Etc.
Some magicians seem to dislike charlatans using magic. I don't know if
his game is rigged, but his contract relies on the claimant to propose
the rules. And do you really think he would turn down a Benny Hinn or
any prominent miracle worker? He's not afraid of them. I think he
honestly does not believe in the supernatural. A real miracle worker
could set Randi straight.
Christ said that if a person will not believe the Scriptures, then even if
someone were to rise from the dead (i.e. perform a miracle), they will
still
not believe.
Randi will not be convinced unless God changes his whole personality.
That's
the only miracle that would work on him.
I think Randi would be convinced by concrete evidence. Which miracle
workers have made any effort to hold him to his word?
Genuine "miracle workers" know that what Christ said in the passage I cited
is a fact. Therefore, they are not interested in approaching Randi or others
like him. They do, of course, pray that God might change Randi's personality
to make him acceptable in God's sight and place him on the path of
salvation.
.
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| User: "Harlow" |
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| Title: Re: Billionaires For Bush |
26 Aug 2004 06:06:17 PM |
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"Alan M. Schwartz" <organiker@lycos.com> wrote in message news:<news:465ri05k1f5m1m9f1tu77i8o8c13tigfd1@4ax.com>...
TELLURIUM ATOMIC LATTICE WITH BONDS
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
Forests are Mother Nature's unshaven armpits
exacting severe penalties from all who encounter them.
Uncle Al's view of Environmentalism:
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/montana.jpg
Earth Liberation Front
http://earthliberationfront.com/
Earth First!
http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/links.html
Billionaires For Bush
http://billionairesforbush.com/index.php
God Bless Texas wrote: *
Gregor Samsa wrote:
"Plaintiff had seven dates, (which became seven lovers),
had told no lies, committed no crimes, gotten 2 traffic tickets,
and dated George W. Bush as a minor." -Sugar Land Police Dept.
http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986144-1-7.pdf
"Dead Woman Who Accused Bush of Rape
'Margie Schoedinger' dies as a result
of a gunshot wound to the head"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Margie+Schoedinger
Margie Schoedinger, the woman who allegedly filed a lawsuit against
George W. Bush in December 2002, claiming that she had been raped, has
died of a gunshot wound to the head, registered officially as "suicide".
The allegations were serious: the law suit apparently filed against
George W. Bush in the County Civil Court in Fort Bend County, Texas,
on 2nd December 2002, claimed that George Bush, the former Governor
of Texas and current President of the United States of America, had
committed "individual sex crimes" against her and her husband.
Margie Schoedinger further stated that after the claim,
she had been harassed, that her bank account had been interfered with,
that she had been threatened and beaten. She claimed 1 million USD in
actual damages plus 49 million USD in punitive damages and emotional
stress caused by the alleged incidents.
Court documents filed on December 4th 2002 mention Bush, giving him 20
days to respond or appear in a court in Fort Bend. These papers were
initialed by Fort Bend County Deputy Clerk, Becky Kasper. However, due
to the ambiguous nature of the claims, which have never been
substantiated, it is unclear whether the President of the USA was
served with the suit.
Whatever the case, Margie Schoedinger is dead. At 38 years of age,
she died on Monday 22nd September 2003. The Harris Country Examiner's
Office states "gunshot wound to the head" and "suicide".
John ASHTEAD
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Margie+Schoedinger
The Strange Death of the Woman Who Filed a Rape Lawsuit Against Bush
By Jackson Thoreau
opednews.com
Early one Saturday afternoon in July 2003, I made a simple phone
call to Margie Schoedinger, a Texas woman who filed a rape lawsuit
against George W. Bush in December 2002. I expected to leave a
message on a machine, so I was caught a little offguard when
Schoedinger answered.
She, too, sounded somewhat surprised I had called, saying she
hadn't heard from many other reporters. But she talked to me
for a few minutes about the legal action.
"I am still trying to prosecute [the lawsuit]," said Schoedinger,
a 38-year-old African-American woman who lived in the Houston
suburb of Missouri City. "I want to get this matter settled and
go on with my life."
Well, Schoedinger hasn't gone on with her life. In fact, three
months after I spoke to her, she died in an apparent suicide.
And this matter remains unsettled.
When I asked her in July 2003 about the lack of media coverage,
Schoedinger said she wasn't seeking publicity. She said she did
not even know about a December 2002 article in the Fort Bend Star,
the only U.S. mainstream media outlet that covered this story,
to my knowledge. The Fort Bend reporter, LeaAnne Klentzman, said
she even went to Schoedinger's home and talked to a man there, who
said she could not come to door. While I reached and spoke to
Schoedinger on my first attempt, maybe she wasn't ready to talk
back in December.
Anyways, Schoedinger said she was surprised the case wasn't
covered more because "it is true......People have to be
accountable for what they do, and that's why I'm pursuing it."
To be sure, Schoedinger's accusations - which include being
drugged and sexually assaulted numerous times by Bush and other
men purporting to be FBI agents - are bizarre and hard for most
people to believe.
* But her story fits in with those told by a
growing number of people who say they were used as guinea pigs
or whatever by members of the CIA or another U.S. agency who
wanted to test out the latest mind-controlling drug or just
have a strange form of release.
See what happens when you close the state hospitals?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And her death - let's just say
government agents have made murders look like suicides before.
In her court petition, Schoedinger said police in Sugar Land,
another Houston suburb where she said some assailants linked to
Bush attempted to unsuccessfully abduct her from her car shortly
before the 2000 election, refused to take a report or do anything
about that incident. She filed a lawsuit against the Sugar Land
department and said that in preparing its defense, Sugar Land
police found out that she dated Bush as a minor. I didn't get a
chance to ask Schoedinger about that tie and didn't meet her in
person, but her driver's license listed her as being 5-foot-8
and weighing 125 pounds, for what that's worth.
The Fort Bend Star story quoted a Sugar Land police captain
saying his department had no record of any complaints by
Schoedinger. All he had to do was what I did - go to the
Fort Bend County Internet site and do a simple search on
Schoedinger's name in the area of civil court records. I found
the lawsuit Schoedinger filed in December 2000 against Sugar
Land police, and it even had numerous responses by the
department's attorneys in that case.
Just wait. This story gets stranger.
When I started asking Schoedinger about certain details of the
case, such as alleged surveillance at her home and if she was
still legally representing herself, she politely ended our
conversation. "I need to see what has been written,"
Schoedinger said. "I feel like it's best for me to end our
conversation."
Obviously, she had learned to be careful about what she said
and to whom she said it. I could understand her being leery
about talking about her situation with a stranger over the
phone.
But I remember being puzzled by Schoedinger's attitude after
hanging up the phone. I wondered that if she had made up such
a wild story, why she didn't come up with something a little
less outlandish, in which people couldn't necessarily dismiss
her as a kook. I wondered why she didn't seek publicity to at
least provide some form of protection. I've long learned that
being as public as possible is one of your best defenses
against rogue intelligence agents. But she didn't even seem
to want any media to cover her story. I told several writers
I knew, some of whom tried to contact Schoedinger. None
succeeded, as far as I know.
I remember thinking, "I hope she doesn't wind up on the wrong
side of a gun." And sure enough, in late September,
Schoedinger did.
The Houston Chronicle wrote a bare-bones obituary that stated
only that Schoedinger "expired" on Sept. 22, 2003, and her
burial was at Houston Memorial Gardens.
I called the Harris County Medical Examiner's office, and a
clerk told me the cause of death: a "suicide" by a "gunshot
wound to the head." I hung up amid bombs going off in my mind.
For one, using a gun to commit suicide is predominantly executed
by males, according to psychiatrists and other sources like
pharmaceutical firm Merck & Co. Women are more likely to overdose
on drugs, although the number of gunshot suicides among women has
increased in recent years.
Besides Pravda and Internet ezines - one of whom referred to
Schoedinger as "deranged" - I haven't seen stories on this
strange death of a woman who filed a rape lawsuit against the
U.S. president and wound up dead nine months later. I can't
say I'm surprised. Or even angry. I don't know what the hell
to think. All I know is I was one of the last - if not the
last - reporters to speak to Schoedinger, and she didn't sound
"deranged" to me in July 2003. She sounded like someone who
had gone through something weird and was trying to sort it out.
She sounded like someone who wanted the truth to come out.
And now she's dead.
If this had happened to Clinton when he was in the White House,
do you think the story would have been covered non-stop on FOX,
CNN and the right-wing talk shows? Do you think we'd have
reporters asking Clinton and his people about this death in
press conferences? Is FOX unfair and imbalanced to the
point of being "deranged?"
There are some more odd twists to this case. I also found a
2002 criminal case related to Schoedinger in which Christopher
Schoedinger, her husband, allegedly struck her. He pleaded no
contest and was sentenced to a year in jail. Christopher
Schoedinger had also filed for divorce. Then since 1997,
Margie Schoedinger had filed for at least five assumed
business names for various ventures - including a
communications firm, health and beauty business, travel
agency and publishing company. Could a "deranged" person
start all those businesses or even know how to file a lawsuit?
Schoedinger's lawsuit can still be viewed on the Fort Bend
County site at
http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/localization/menu.asp - then
go down to the bottom and click on civil court. Then type
"schoedinger" in the plaintiff box and click search. You should
find another lawsuit she filed against Sugar Land police, as well.
http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986144-1-7.pdf
http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1928133-1-18.pdf
I can really understand media members being intimidated, even
frightened, of the Bush administration. As I've detailed before,
these are not Boy Scouts running the show. The Schoedinger death
is just the latest in a string of strange ones surrounding the
Bush family - Bush biographer J.H. Hatfield, Sen. Paul Wellstone,
Sen. Mel Carnahan, and others that are detailed on various sites,
including at http://members.boardhost.com/gwbush/msg/362.html
..
For the record, I contacted Bush's media office about
Schoedinger and have yet to hear back. Now that I live in the
Washington, D.C., area, I can go down to the White House in
person and try to get someone to speak to me about this case.
As expected, I haven't had much luck with the Fort Bend
County and other Texas authorities. So maybe I'll stand outside
the White House, holding a sign saying, "Who killed Margie
Schoedinger?" and passing out copies of my column on the case.
It would make about as much sense as anything else in this matter.
For all I know, maybe Schoedinger did kill herself. Maybe she
dreamed up a lot of this stuff. But I don't know, am I "deranged"
to think it's weird that in this mass-media, detailed-information
age, so few people are even asking any questions about how a
woman who filed a rape lawsuit against the president could be
dead less than a year later?
Jackson Thoreau is an American writer and co-author of
We Will Not Get Over It: Restoring a Legitimate White House.
The updated, 120,000-word electronic book can be downloaded
on his Internet site at
http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/ebook.html
Citizens for Legitimate Government has the earlier version at
http://www.legitgov.org/we_will_not_get_over_it.html
He can be contacted at
or .
http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm
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"Plaintiff had seven dates, (which became seven lovers),
had told no lies, committed no crimes, gotten 2 traffic tickets,
and dated George W. Bush as a minor." -Sugar Land Police Dept.
http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986144-1-7.pdf
See also:
http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1928133-1-18.pdf
The Terrorism of the War on Drugs
The moralistic drug war has overstuffed
American prisons, left families fatherless,
corrupted important parts of society,
consumed vast quantities of law
enforcement time and money,
and led to crime and inner-city misery that
even Bin Laden cannot dream of creating
in the west.
Many Americans suffer from a very
serious case of what could be called the
Taliban mentality. Just like the Taliban,
they think they know best what people
should or should not do, according to their
moral code. And they intend to use the
strongest force on earth, the force of
government, to try to make people obey
their rulings, and punish
them if they do not.
Thomas L. Johnson
http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/virtuaps5.htm
FREE THE YEZIDI!!!
http://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/GnosisE.html
http://www.gurdjieff-legacy.org/40articles/yezidism.htm
Addressing the burgeoning prison abuse scandal, the president said the
eventual replacement of the Abu Ghraib prison with a new, U.S.-funded
maximum security prison would put the entire controversy to rest.
Ignoring the fact that American maximum security prisons are renowned
for their poor conditions, <http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/supermax/>
the proposal did not modify administration-approved policies that may
have led to the Abu Ghraib abuses in the first place. Nor did Bush follow
through on pledges to enforce "personal responsibility" and fire senior
Pentagon officials. As the NYT reported, in December the administration
sent a letter to the Red Cross emphasizing the "military necessity" of
isolating and mistreating some inmates
<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/international/middleeast/23IRAQ.html>
at the prison for interrogation. Similarly, Newsweek reported that
"President Bush, along with Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and Attorney General
John Ashcroft, signed off on a secret system of detention and interrogation
<http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4989422/> that opened the door" to the abuse.
For a plan to restore American credibility in the wake of the prison
scandal check out this
<http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=70685>
American Progress report. The president claimed the coalition "has a clear
goal, understood by all" -- an implication that the U.S. has broad support
among the Iraqi people. But Slate's William Saletan points out
<http://slate.msn.com/id/2101011/>, even before the prison scandal,
"the most reliable Iraqi poll <http://www.reuters.co.uk/>
(to which his own Coalition Provisional Authority submitted questions)
found that most Iraqis want coalition soldiers to get out." USA Today
confirms, " American credibility in Iraq may be at its lowest point
<http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-05-24-us-credibility_x.htm>
since the war began," with "much of the trust desired and needed for a
smooth transition" being "replaced by cynicism." According to a nationwide
poll by the Iraq Center for Research and Strategic Studies, whereas six
months ago only 1% of Iraqis supported cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his
insurgency against American troops, 68% now say they support him.
"If you really want to enslave people,
tell them that you're going to give them total freedom."
-- L. Ron Hubbard
http://tinyurl.com/5zlln
"A woman involved in a minor traffic accident sheds her clothes
and walks nude down the street. Police take her to the hospital
to see a psychiatric nurse, and against medical advice she
leaves with friends. Those friends take her to their church.
Seventeen days later, they drive her to a hospital more than
20 miles away in another county. The woman is dead on arrival...
(SP Times, December 18, 1996) http://whyaretheydead.net/room174.html
Autopsy Photos of Lisa McPherson
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/lisapics.htm
This 2nd set was released by Pinellas-Pasco
Circuit Judge Crockett Farnell on 20 July 2000
http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/autopsy/agree.html
Fort Harrison Hotel - Room 174
Death of scientologist Lisa McPherson
http://whyaretheydead.net/room174.html
"Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology and Suicide"
[<http://www.xs4all.nl/~fishman/fable.htm>] Excerpt:
"In my father's private circle," L. Ron Hubbard Jr. explains,
"there were lots of mistresses. When I was younger, I
participated in private orgies with him and three or four other
women. His theory was that one has to open or crack a woman's
soul in order for the satanic power to pour through it and into
him. It got kind of far out, culminating in a variety of
sex acts.
Dad also had an incredibly violent temper. He was into S&M
and would beat his mistresses and shoot them full of drugs."
When asked by an interviewer how this "soul-cracking" worked,
L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. said, "The explanation is sort of long and
complicated. The basic rationale is that there are some powers
in this universe that are pretty strong.
"As an example, Hitler was involved in the same black magic
and the same occult practices that my father was. The identical
ones. Which, as I have said, stem clear back to before Egyptian
times. It's a very secret thing. Very powerful and very
workable and very dangerous.
"Brainwashing is nothing compared to it. The proper term
would be 'soul cracking.'
"It's like cracking open the soul, which then opens various
doors to the power that exists, the satanic and demonic powers.
Simply put, it's like a tunnel or an avenue or a doorway.
Pulling that power into yourself through another person and
using women, especially is incredibly insidious.
"It makes Dr. Fu Manchu look like a kindergarten student.
It is the ultimate vampirism, the ultimate mind *****. Instead
of going for blood, you're going for their soul. And you take
drugs in order to reach that state where you can, quite
literally, like a psychic hammer, break their soul, and pull
the power through."
Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology and Suicide
PUBLIC DOMAIN DOCUMENT http://www.xs4all.nl/~fishman/fable.htm
L. Ron Hubbard
http://fusionanomaly.net/lronhubbard.html
REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE CONVENTION SCHEDULE
New York, NY
6:00 PM Opening Prayer led by the Reverend Jerry Fallwell
6:30 PM Pledge of Allegiance
6:35 PM Burning of Bill of Rights (excluding 2nd amendment)
6:45 PM Salute to the Coalition of the Willing
(acknowledging each - 1 minute total)
6:46 PM Seminar #1: Getting your kid a military deferment
7:35 PM Serve Freedom Fries
7:40 PM EPA Address #1: Mercury, it's what's for dinner.
8:00 PM Vote on which country to invade next
8:10 PM Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh
8:15 PM John Ashcroft Lecture: The Homos are after your children
8:30 PM Round table discussion on reproductive rights (MEN only)
8:50 PM Seminar #2: Corporations: The government of the future
9:00 PM Condi Rice sings "Can't Help Lovin' That Man"
9:10 PM EPA Address #2: Trees: The real cause of forest fires
9:30 PM Break for secret meetings
10:00 PM Second prayer led by Cal Thomas: God only Loves Christians
10:15 PM Lecture by Carl Rove: Doublespeak made easy
10:30 PM Rumsfeld demonstration: How to squint and talk macho
10:35 PM Bush demonstration: Trademark "deer in headlights" stare.
10:40 PM John Ashcroft demonstrates new mandatory Kevlar chastity belt
10:45 PM Clarence Thomas reads list of Black Republicans:
(thirteen seconds set aside)
10:46 PM Seminar #3: Education: A drain on our nation's economy.
11:10 PM Hillary Clinton Piñata
11:20 PM Second Lecture by John Ashcroft:
Evolutionists: The dangerous new cult
11:30 PM Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh again.
11:35 PM Blame Clinton
11:40 PM Laura serves milk and cookies
11:50 PM Closing Prayer led by Jesus Himself
12:00 PM Nomination of George W. Bush as Holy Supreme Planetary Overlord
http://whyaretheydead.net
Kerry, Falwell, Rove, Ashcroft, Bush
http://tinyurl.com/5phzn
Bush Speaks
http://bushspeaks.com/gallery.asp?did=
Religious Right Finds Its Center in Oval Office
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1224-02.htm
Found! George W. Bush's Resume!
http://www.graffiks.com/dylan_articles/bush_resume.html
compiled by James Dylan, 18th Airborne Corps soldier in the US Army
http://www.graffiks.com/dylan_articles/dylan.html
My High School Friend John O'Neill and the Swiftboat Attack
http://www.unknowncountry.com/mindframe/opinion/
"A lot of people just can't forgive and forget," countered
Kerry crew member Medeiros. "He was a great commander.
I would have no trouble following him anywhere."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5782981/?GT1=4529
"There have been 1,097 coalition deaths, 966 Americans,
65 Britons, six Bulgarians, one Dane, two Dutch, one
Estonian, one Hungarian, 19 Italians, one Latvian,
10 Poles, one Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards,
two Thai and eight Ukrainians, in the war in Iraq
as of August 24, 2004"
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/
Vietnam Massacre story needs to be told
"... Tiger Force was created in the fall of 1965
as a special highly trained reconnaissance unit
to find the enemy and report enemy positions to
U.S. air and ground forces. Its members wore
special tiger-striped uniforms, they could grow
beards, and could carry their own side arms.
The unit's slogan was 'out guerrilla the guerrillas.'
"After listening to details of the Tiger Force case,
William Eckhardt, lead prosecutor in the My Lai
court-martial and now a law professor at the
University of Missouri at Kansas City, said, 'What I
see is a loss of control and obviously ill discipline,
far beyond what you would want in Vietnam.' ..."
http://tinyurl.com/rq1i
Tiger Force (Vietnam) Uncovered and Exposed
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Tiger_force_120803.htm
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The Origins of Torture in Endured Child Abuse
by Alice Miller
http://www.naturalchild.org/alice_miller/origins_torture.html
Alice Miller: The Childhood Trauma
http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/ubb/Forum217/HTML/000009.html
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"Bravo to teachers who stand for their beliefs
and defend the constitution. Without them, the dunce
sitting in the corner of the room will be our democracy."
- John F. Borowski
Actually, the notion of using laser-generated aerial
simulacra to create mass psyops hoaxes has been
circulating for some time, as in "Project Blue Beam" and
even admitted by the Maitreya <http://www.shareintl.org/>
as his "second coming" strategy. With computer
animation and sound effects appearing to come from the
depths of space, astonished followers of the various creeds
will witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly
convincing lifelike realness. The various saviors will then
merge into one after "correct" explanations of the mysteries,
prophecies, and revelations will have been disclosed.
This event will occur at a time of great political and
general tumult. http://tinyurl.com/5ko2l
Vanguard of the Mahdi
Who Is Imam al-Mahdi?
http://www.islamicweb.com/history/mahdi.htm
Quote: "Mahdi is NOT a prophet but he is the
final Rightly Guided Khalifa. Mahdi will lead
Muslims to a great victory against the Christian
Romans (i.e. All the white Europeans including
the Americans). This great war is called
al-Malhamah al-Kubrah or Armageddon. It will end
up with a great victory to Muslims against Romans
after six years. Muslims will take over their
capital Rome (this can be any city). In the
seventh year, the Antichrist will appear and a
greater war will start between Jews and Muslims
for 40 days (longer that usual days) and will end
when Jesus will come and Muslims will kill all Jews.
All people will convert into Islam. Peace will
pervade the whole world."
http://www.islamicweb.com/history/mahdi.htm
Pat Robertson
Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson (born March 22, 1930)
is a Christian televangelist in the United States,
and founder of the Christian Coalition. He is the
host of the popular TV show The 700 Club, which
airs on many religious cable channels. His strongly
conservative views have made him the subject of
much controversy, especially his statements in
favor of the dissolution of the barrier between
church and state. ...
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Pat_Robertson
"The key to peace in the Middle East and
why Torah-True Jews are opposed to Zionism"
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/index.cfm
Rupert Murdoch
Keith Rupert Murdoch (born March 11, 1931) is a
media entrepreneur, major shareholder and managing
director of the News Corporation. Murdoch was born
in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia and educated at
Oxford University (Worcester College), United Kingdom.
His father was Keith Murdoch, a reporter and advisor
to Billy Hughes, Prime Minister of Australia during
World War One.
Murdoch is generally regarded as the single most
politically influential media proprietor in the world,
and is regularly courted by politicians, especially
current and past British and Australian Prime Ministers,
who attempt to persuade him to run favourable coverage.
His politics are generally right-wing, though he
apparently favours republicanism over monarchy and is
said to have refused a peerage from Queen Elizabeth II.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Rupert_Murdoch
"I believe that God wants me to be president."
-George W. Bush
http://tinyurl.com/4y2cl
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/etc/synopsis.html
"Acharya S" A.K.A. "D. Murdock"
http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ.htm
Praise The LORD and Pass the Superior Firepower!
Schedule of Upcoming Extremist Events: 2004
http://www.adl.org/learn/Events_2001/events_2003_flashmap.asp
I wonder who these good folks will be voting for in November?
http://www.adl.org/learn/Events_2001/events_2003_flashmap.asp
Neuropsychological Bases of God Beliefs
http://primal-page.com/lobe.htm
http://primal-page.com/mysti.htm
***
Doctors Without Borders
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/index.shtml
"Divine Reality is a limitless ocean of consciousness
and individual awareness is a jar." -Ramakrishna
The WHOLE is greater than the SUM of the individual PARTS...
http://www.countryjoe.com/wwwboard/messages/184.html
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib333.htm
http://www.room23.de/1629.html
***
"Contrary to its title, 'Michael Moore Hates America'
isn't a hatchet job on the filmmaker. It's a journey
across the nation where we meet celebrities, scholars
and average folks alike, all of whom are living the
American Dream and proving that America is a great
place to be! In the process, we'll look at Michael
Moore's claims about the country, its people, and
our way of life."
Mike Wilson
Director, Michael Moore Hates America
http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/
One Thousand Reasons
http://www.thousandreasons.org/
"Row, row, row your boat
Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily,
merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream."
http://www.room23.de/2014.html
***
http://tinyurl.com/6fec9
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:30:41 GMT, "Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote:
"christbomb" <christbomb@nospam.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:56:09 GMT, "Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote:
"christbomb" <christbomb@nospam.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:21:13 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be
some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Pastor Dave Raymond
And I'd really like to see Randi define, in a precise, quantitative,
scientific way, what exactly he means by "paranormal", "supernatural",
and
"occult".
Of course, he'll never do this. The reason is that he can't even
define
"normal" or "natural" in a precise quantitative scientific way! No one
can,
which is why people like Randi are mere entertainers, court jesters,
not
serious students of reality. His game is rigged, and not very well.
Oh no, he has defined it as 'hallucination' and the clincher - 'hoaxes'
only believed in by the gullible. His game is no different than the
atheist who 'claims' to want evidence of the Divine, or the debunker who
'claims' to want evidence of UFO's and Extraterrestrials.
Randi is a professional debunker. He exposed Peter Popoff's scam, and
he helped Carson make a fool of Uri Geller on the tonight show. Etc.
Some magicians seem to dislike charlatans using magic. I don't know if
his game is rigged, but his contract relies on the claimant to propose
the rules. And do you really think he would turn down a Benny Hinn or
any prominent miracle worker? He's not afraid of them. I think he
honestly does not believe in the supernatural. A real miracle worker
could set Randi straight.
Christ said that if a person will not believe the Scriptures, then even if
someone were to rise from the dead (i.e. perform a miracle), they will
still
not believe.
Randi will not be convinced unless God changes his whole personality.
That's
the only miracle that would work on him.
I think Randi would be convinced by concrete evidence. Which miracle
workers have made any effort to hold him to his word?
Genuine "miracle workers" know that what Christ said in the passage I cited
is a fact. Therefore, they are not interested in approaching Randi or others
like him. They do, of course, pray that God might change Randi's personality
to make him acceptable in God's sight and place him on the path of
salvation.
If someone showed proof, and Randi still wouldn't believe, he would
look like a fool. Christians would know who Popoff is instead of
Randi. Thousands claim that Popoff, and Hinn, etc. miraculously cured
them. Some must be able to document their claims with medical records.
Randi offers $1M to "anyone who can show, under proper observing
conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power
or event." He makes it easy to get the money by posting an application
on his website. Why don't the people who received a miracle try to
claim this prize? Maybe Hinn can't use a million, but his followers
can. Randi couldn't have made it easier for them to apply for the
prize. I've seen Benny Hinn. He prophesied that we would all become
rich, and many of the other Christian leaders preach likewise. Why not
apply for your God-promised Money before complaining that Randi is
unfair?
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:21:13 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Pastor Dave Raymond
And I'd really like to see Randi define, in a precise, quantitative,
scientific way, what exactly he means by "paranormal", "supernatural", and
"occult".
Of course, he'll never do this. The reason is that he can't even define
"normal" or "natural" in a precise quantitative scientific way! No one can,
which is why people like Randi are mere entertainers, court jesters, not
serious students of reality. His game is rigged, and not very well.
Oh no, he has defined it as 'hallucination' and the clincher - 'hoaxes'
only believed in by the gullible. His game is no different than the
atheist who 'claims' to want evidence of the Divine, or the debunker who
'claims' to want evidence of UFO's and Extraterrestrials.
Randi is a professional debunker.
Randi is a professional idiot, as per the Peter Principle.
He exposed Peter Popoff's scam,
Who? What scam, and how is Peter Popoff?
and
he helped Carson make a fool of Uri Geller on the tonight show.
He did no such thing. The only people fooled by Randi's slight of hand
trickery are fools to begin with.
Etc.
Some magicians seem to dislike charlatans using magic. I don't know if
his game is rigged, but his contract relies on the claimant to propose
the rules. And do you really think he would turn down a Benny Hinn or
any prominent miracle worker? He's not afraid of them. I think he
honestly does not believe in the supernatural. A real miracle worker
could set Randi straight.
And what's even funnier is that he actually believes that someone who was so
powerful that they could produce at will "supernatural" events would be
interested in his pitiful million dollars, or for that matter any amount of
material wealth!
Exactly.
But after all, what do we expect from a stage magician?
Randi apparently is good magician himself and he obviously employs
'slight of hand' to trick people into believing in his false claims of
no-supernatural activity in human history.
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26 Aug 2004 02:43:46 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:53:21 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
christbomb wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:21:13 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Pastor Dave Raymond
And I'd really like to see Randi define, in a precise, quantitative,
scientific way, what exactly he means by "paranormal", "supernatural", and
"occult".
Of course, he'll never do this. The reason is that he can't even define
"normal" or "natural" in a precise quantitative scientific way! No one can,
which is why people like Randi are mere entertainers, court jesters, not
serious students of reality. His game is rigged, and not very well.
Oh no, he has defined it as 'hallucination' and the clincher - 'hoaxes'
only believed in by the gullible. His game is no different than the
atheist who 'claims' to want evidence of the Divine, or the debunker who
'claims' to want evidence of UFO's and Extraterrestrials.
Randi is a professional debunker.
Randi is a professional idiot, as per the Peter Principle.
He exposed Peter Popoff's scam,
Who? What scam, and how is Peter Popoff?
and
he helped Carson make a fool of Uri Geller on the tonight show.
He did no such thing. The only people fooled by Randi's slight of hand
trickery are fools to begin with.
Popoff was the preacher who communicated over with the holy ghost on
stage over a covert radio, with his wife on the other end. Both he and
Geller still have a following.
Were Randi's challenge truly fair, who do you think would have the
ability demonstrate a miracle, if so inclined?
Etc.
Some magicians seem to dislike charlatans using magic. I don't know if
his game is rigged, but his contract relies on the claimant to propose
the rules. And do you really think he would turn down a Benny Hinn or
any prominent miracle worker? He's not afraid of them. I think he
honestly does not believe in the supernatural. A real miracle worker
could set Randi straight.
And what's even funnier is that he actually believes that someone who was so
powerful that they could produce at will "supernatural" events would be
interested in his pitiful million dollars, or for that matter any amount of
material wealth!
Exactly.
But after all, what do we expect from a stage magician?
Randi apparently is good magician himself and he obviously employs
'slight of hand' to trick people into believing in his false claims of
no-supernatural activity in human history.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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28 Aug 2004 07:32:04 AM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Dixit <dix@nospam.net> screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment.
Such as?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "Joe Blow" |
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25 Aug 2004 06:25:49 PM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com>...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Because they have not actually done so.
Joe
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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25 Aug 2004 06:43:38 PM |
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Joe Blow wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com>...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Because they have not actually done so.
Joe
No, they haven't paid out because they have no intention of ever paying
out. Its bait they use to 'expose frauds' they think, but it doesn't
fool anyone. They have no intention of ever paying out otherwise there
are some people (who shall not be named here) who would qualify for that
money. But I don't see them trying to claim it because as was suggested
earlier by someone, money doesn't matter to these people. Those who say
there is no Spiritual reality in the universe, have no understanding of
what the word means, and have no right to speak about it. They are
materialists, and the only reality they understand is what atoms and
molecules define in the world of physics, hence physical.
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| User: "Tom" |
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25 Aug 2004 10:07:59 PM |
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"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
news:Ku9Xc.26495$UTP.14248@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Joe Blow wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<ditoi0l9e4lc1991j1amem5lp2a6gh80fl@4ax.com>...
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:10:37 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
His idea is, basically:
1) Nothing exists except matter.
Balderdash! The assertion is made by your side, that there might be
some
paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The offer is
plain, that if you can demonstrate any paranormal, supernatural, or
occult power or event then you earn $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show,
under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal,
supernatural, or occult power or event."
What could be simpler?
Any questions?
And yet, some have claimed to do exactly that, with
scientific equipment. So why haven't they paid out?
Because they have not actually done so.
Joe
No, they haven't paid out because they have no intention of ever paying
out. Its bait they use to 'expose frauds' they think, but it doesn't
fool anyone. They have no intention of ever paying out otherwise there
are some people (who shall not be named here) who would qualify for that
money.
Typical fundie rhetoric, something secret is involved and I can't give you
names because.........mmm..you'll know I was lying?
But I don't see them trying to claim it because as was suggested
earlier by someone, money doesn't matter to these people.
Right 'Mad', you need to post in alt.frigging.morons if you want people to
believe that crap!
Those who say
there is no Spiritual reality in the universe, have no understanding of
what the word means, and have no right to speak about it.
Those who deny the physical realities of the world don't have the right to
criticize it.
They are
materialists, and the only reality they understand is what atoms and
molecules define in the world of physics, hence physical.
And you are what, outside of being a moron of course.
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| User: "Chris Devol" |
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18 Aug 2004 03:13:53 PM |
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"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:E7NUc.275345$a24.244901@attbi_s03...
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mnpUc.1345$Fg5.1259@attbi_s53...
Pastor Dave wrote:
...God is not
physical and therefore, needs no physical cause.
That's just logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, mon frère.
Incorrect. It's not an hypothesis at all.
Don't be stupid.
Bite me, dorkwad.
It's a standard definition, "God is not physical", followed by an
inference "and therefore needs no physical cause".
You need to go back to school.
<snip>
It's the logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, knucklehead:
Stick your illiteracy up your black hole, dilletante.
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| User: "Dixit" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:03:02 PM |
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Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:E7NUc.275345$a24.244901@attbi_s03...
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mnpUc.1345$Fg5.1259@attbi_s53...
Pastor Dave wrote:
...God is not
physical and therefore, needs no physical cause.
That's just logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, mon frère.
Incorrect. It's not an hypothesis at all.
Don't be stupid.
Bite me, dorkwad.
It's a standard definition, "God is not physical", followed by an
inference "and therefore needs no physical cause".
You need to go back to school.
<snip>
It's the logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, knucklehead:
Stick your illiteracy up your black hole, dilletante.
So, bottom line, you think you can just define God into existence (God
is ...")?
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| User: "Chris Devol" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:37:24 PM |
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"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:auPUc.184034$eM2.101489@attbi_s51...
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:E7NUc.275345$a24.244901@attbi_s03...
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mnpUc.1345$Fg5.1259@attbi_s53...
Pastor Dave wrote:
...God is not
physical and therefore, needs no physical cause.
That's just logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, mon frère.
Incorrect. It's not an hypothesis at all.
Don't be stupid.
Bite me, dorkwad.
It's a standard definition, "God is not physical", followed by an
inference "and therefore needs no physical cause".
You need to go back to school.
<snip>
It's the logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, knucklehead:
Stick your illiteracy up your black hole, dilletante.
So, bottom line, you think you can just define God into existence (God is
...")?
The difference between an "ad hoc hypothesis" and a "standard definition" is
one of degree of controversy. For at least 5000 years of human history, the
term "God" (capital G) has denoted a non-physical being. There is no
controversy except among the tiny fringe breed of atheist revisionists who
foolishly want to alter the definitiion, imagining that that would alter the
phenomenon itself. Therefore the proposition "God is non-physical" is not an
"ad hoc hypothesis", but a generally accepted definition.
If you want to go further, it can be pointed out that a "definition"
generally implies something whose existence has already been firmly
established, so that the "definition" is merely a coining of a convenient
working vocabulary. On the other hand, an "hypothesis" is tentative, still
in the process of verification by gathering of evidence. Therefore, since
the reality of the non-physical being known as "God" has been firmly
established by the fact that many people (although not, of course, from
among the tiny fringe breed of atheists) throughout history have personally
observed Him, the definition "God is non-physical" is not an "ad hoc"
hypothesis.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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18 Aug 2004 08:07:12 PM |
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In article <auPUc.184034$eM2.101489@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:E7NUc.275345$a24.244901@attbi_s03...
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mnpUc.1345$Fg5.1259@attbi_s53...
Pastor Dave wrote:
...God is not
physical and therefore, needs no physical cause.
That's just logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, mon frère.
Incorrect. It's not an hypothesis at all.
Don't be stupid.
Bite me, dorkwad.
It's a standard definition, "God is not physical", followed by an
inference "and therefore needs no physical cause".
You need to go back to school.
<snip>
It's the logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, knucklehead:
Stick your illiteracy up your black hole, dilletante.
So, bottom line, you think you can just define God into existence (God
is ...")?
It is the argument of Septic (of the Magically Invisible Space Pixies)
that he can just define any gods out of existence with no evidence, by
using definitions that conflict with every dictionary which defines
those same words.
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| User: "Dixit" |
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19 Aug 2004 02:22:12 PM |
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Virgil wrote:
In article <auPUc.184034$eM2.101489@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:E7NUc.275345$a24.244901@attbi_s03...
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mnpUc.1345$Fg5.1259@attbi_s53...
Pastor Dave wrote:
...God is not
physical and therefore, needs no physical cause.
That's just logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, mon frère.
Incorrect. It's not an hypothesis at all.
Don't be stupid.
Bite me, dorkwad.
It's a standard definition, "God is not physical", followed by an
inference "and therefore needs no physical cause".
You need to go back to school.
<snip>
It's the logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, knucklehead:
Stick your illiteracy up your black hole, dilletante.
So, bottom line, you think you can just define God into existence (God
is ...")?
It is the argument of Septic (of the Magically Invisible Space Pixies)
that he can just define any gods out of existence ...
Main Entry: the·ism
Pronunciation: 'thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: belief in the existence of a god or gods;
- Merriam Webster Dictionary
That means an irrational religious belief that there might be a
magically invisible space pixie anyway, even though there is no such
thing in evidence you can point to and say, 'That's what I'm talking about.'
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| User: "Virgil" |
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19 Aug 2004 03:26:16 PM |
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In article <E57Vc.282168$a24.57405@attbi_s03>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <auPUc.184034$eM2.101489@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:E7NUc.275345$a24.244901@attbi_s03...
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mnpUc.1345$Fg5.1259@attbi_s53...
Pastor Dave wrote:
...God is not
physical and therefore, needs no physical cause.
That's just logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, mon frère.
Incorrect. It's not an hypothesis at all.
Don't be stupid.
Bite me, dorkwad.
It's a standard definition, "God is not physical", followed by an
inference "and therefore needs no physical cause".
You need to go back to school.
<snip>
It's the logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, knucklehead:
Stick your illiteracy up your black hole, dilletante.
So, bottom line, you think you can just define God into existence (God
is ...")?
It is the argument of Septic (of the Magically Invisible Space Pixies)
that he can just define any gods out of existence ...
Main Entry: the·ism
Pronunciation: 'thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: belief in the existence of a god or gods;
- Merriam Webster Dictionary
That means an irrational religious belief that there might be a
magically invisible space pixie anyway, even though there is no such
thing in evidence you can point to and say, 'That's what I'm talking about.'
Then why didn't it say what Septic Capon, the Simple Pimple, claims
instead of saying something directly contradicting Septic Capon, the
Simple Pimple?
Simple, Septic Capon, the Simple Pimple, is lying about what it means
because that is the only way he can get off.
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| User: "Dixit" |
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19 Aug 2004 04:13:04 PM |
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Virgil wrote:
In article <E57Vc.282168$a24.57405@attbi_s03>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <auPUc.184034$eM2.101489@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:E7NUc.275345$a24.244901@attbi_s03...
Chris Devol wrote:
"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mnpUc.1345$Fg5.1259@attbi_s53...
Pastor Dave wrote:
...God is not
physical and therefore, needs no physical cause.
That's just logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, mon frère.
Incorrect. It's not an hypothesis at all.
Don't be stupid.
Bite me, dorkwad.
It's a standard definition, "God is not physical", followed by an
inference "and therefore needs no physical cause".
You need to go back to school.
<snip>
It's the logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, knucklehead:
Stick your illiteracy up your black hole, dilletante.
So, bottom line, you think you can just define God into existence (God
is ...")?
It is the argument of Septic (of the Magically Invisible Space Pixies)
that he can just define any gods out of existence ...
Main Entry: the·ism
Pronunciation: 'thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: belief in the existence of a god or gods;
- Merriam Webster Dictionary
That means an irrational religious belief that there might be a
magically invisible space pixie anyway, even though there is no such
thing in evidence you can point to and say, 'That's what I'm talking about.'
Then why didn't it say [that]?
It does. "Belief in the existence of a god or gods" means an irrational
religious belief that there might be a magically invisible space pixie
anyway, even though there is no such thing in evidence you can point to
and say, "That's what I'm talking about." Do you have a little reading
deficiency, sir?
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