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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Soren K."
Date: 15 Aug 2004 11:15:19 PM
Object: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST
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The following articles are samplings of principles that demonstrate that =
atheism is pure heathenism and error. They present some of the reasons =
why you should turned away from atheism and nonbelief - to a staunch =
belief in the Almighty GOD. I ask you to examine these articles very =
carefully.=20
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The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its =
author. satan is its author.=20
It's important to remain conscious of the fact that satan had his origin =
in heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of =
God, heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus despite what you have been =
previously deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary's =
meaning of atheism, atheism is properly defined as a denial of the =
existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does =
indeed exist. Atheism knows God exists; it is quite familiar with that =
fact, but it says "under no circumstance or situation will I admit to =
God's existence."=20
Atheism clearly perceives the fingerprints of God on all of creation, =
but refuses to admit He is the Creator. Atheism perceives the divine =
authorship of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit that God is =
their Author. Atheism perceives the decorousness and perfection of the =
TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit they are superior to all other =
laws. Atheism clearly perceives the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, =
but refuses to admit His divinity. If an atheist could see the wounds in =
the body of Christ and actually feel them with his hands, he would deny =
that the wounds are there. Atheism is deliberate effort to never admit =
the existence of God.=20
Atheism is the ultimate of satanism. Ask satan does God exist and he =
will deny it. Ask him does satan exist and he will deny his own =
existence even while in your presence. Atheism holds the Bible in one =
hand, but deny its existence by denying its truth with the other.=20
In order to properly understand the nature of atheism, one must =
understand the natures of righteousness and sin. The two principles are =
antithetical to one another. Since sin is antithetical to righteousness, =
its very antithetical nature seeks to nullify righteousness. Since it is =
an antithetical principle to righteousness, it must remain true to its =
nature even in the most insane instances. Therefore it must hate God =
even though God is righteous and has given it no just cause for its =
hatred. It is this antithetical principle, called "the law of sin" which =
is at work in the hearts of atheists causing them to reject God. The law =
of sin is none other than the law that governs satan's kingdom.=20
Below are articles I've presented in effort to expose the true satanic =
nature of atheism, the great harm it is doing to the american society =
and the world community and to prove and demonstrate that atheists and =
all other nonbelievers in the true God are the actual criminals of the =
world community. I hope these articles will enable people to see that =
atheists are extremely dangerous people. Therefore laws should be made =
against them by all the governments of the world community.=20
--=20
Celebrating the stupidity of Atheists
www.atheistfools.com
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<P>The following articles are samplings of principles that demonstrate =
that=20
atheism is pure heathenism and error. They present some of the reasons =
why you=20
should turned away from atheism and nonbelief - to a staunch belief in =
the=20
Almighty GOD. I ask you to examine these articles very carefully. </P>
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<P>The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its =
author.=20
satan is its author. </P>
<P>It's important to remain conscious of the fact that satan had his =
origin in=20
heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of =
God,=20
heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus despite what you have been =
previously=20
deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary's meaning of =
atheism,=20
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the midst=20
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God=20
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circumstance=20
or situation will I admit to God's existence." </P>
<P>Atheism clearly perceives the fingerprints of God on all of creation, =
but=20
refuses to admit He is the Creator. Atheism perceives the divine =
authorship of=20
the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit that God is their Author. =
Atheism=20
perceives the decorousness and perfection of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but =
refuses=20
to admit they are superior to all other laws. Atheism clearly perceives =
the=20
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an=20
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them with=20
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deliberate effort=20
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<P>Atheism is the ultimate of satanism. Ask satan does God exist and he =
will=20
deny it. Ask him does satan exist and he will deny his own existence =
even while=20
in your presence. Atheism holds the Bible in one hand, but deny its =
existence by=20
denying its truth with the other. </P>
<P>In order to properly understand the nature of atheism, one must =
understand=20
the natures of righteousness and sin. The two principles are =
antithetical to one=20
another. Since sin is antithetical to righteousness, its very =
antithetical=20
nature seeks to nullify righteousness. Since it is an antithetical =
principle to=20
righteousness, it must remain true to its nature even in the most insane =
instances. Therefore it must hate God even though God is righteous and =
has given=20
it no just cause for its hatred. It is this antithetical principle, =
called "the=20
law of sin" which is at work in the hearts of atheists causing them to =
reject=20
God. The law of sin is none other than the law that governs satan's =
kingdom.=20
</P>
<P>Below are articles I've presented in effort to expose the true =
satanic nature=20
of atheism, the great harm it is doing to the american society and the =
world=20
community and to prove and demonstrate that atheists and all other =
nonbelievers=20
in the true God are the actual criminals of the world community. I hope =
these=20
articles will enable people to see that atheists are extremely dangerous =
people.=20
Therefore laws should be made against them by all the governments of the =
world=20
community. </P></A></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Celebrating the stupidity of Atheists<BR><A=20
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User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 05:42:06 AM
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation.
You have not even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths utilizing
said religious texts.

No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe
with. You did not address the specific issues brought
up.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/
o{}xxxxx[]::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
\
"Species that were once thought to have turned into
others have been found to overlap in time with these
alleged descendants. In fact, the fossil record does
not convincingly document a single transition from one
species to another." (Stanley, S.M., The New
Evolutionary Timetable: Fossils, Genes, and the Origin
of Species, 1981, p. 95)
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User: "Tom"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 08:15:07 AM
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jao0j0dlo86vldu9qm1sdg9fi8pimp390e@4ax.com...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation.
You have not even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths utilizing
said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe
with. You did not address the specific issues brought
up.

Read the bible "Pastor", don't just use it for a door prop. After reading it
again for the first time you to will be an atheist.
.

User: "Adam Warlock"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 09:13:58 AM
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jao0j0dlo86vldu9qm1sdg9fi8pimp390e@4ax.com...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation.
You have not even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths utilizing
said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe
with. You did not address the specific issues brought
up.

Speaking of that, who ordained you, Dave?
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 12:02:36 PM
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:13:58 -0700 in episode
<Hq0Yc.19808$nk.4256@okepread05> we saw our hero "Adam Warlock"
<go@away.com>:

"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jao0j0dlo86vldu9qm1sdg9fi8pimp390e@4ax.com...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on Sat, 28 Aug 2004
01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on Fri, 27 Aug 2004
13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation. You have not
even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths
utilizing said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe with. You did not
address the specific issues brought up.


Speaking of that, who ordained you, Dave?

Oh, *now you've done it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Often anger is a sign of engagement with life. People who
are angry are touched deeply by the events of their lives
and feel strongly about them....Anger is just a demand for
change, a passionate wish for things to be different....
And, as it was for me, it may be the first expression of
the will to live." -- Rachel Naomi Remen
.
User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 12:18:40 PM
In alt.talk.creationism, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote in <h4idndnvpKg2J63cRVn-pw@megapath.net>:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:13:58 -0700 in episode
<Hq0Yc.19808$nk.4256@okepread05> we saw our hero "Adam Warlock"
<go@away.com>:

"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jao0j0dlo86vldu9qm1sdg9fi8pimp390e@4ax.com...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on Sat, 28 Aug 2004
01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on Fri, 27 Aug 2004
13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation. You have not
even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths
utilizing said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe with. You did not
address the specific issues brought up.


Speaking of that, who ordained you, Dave?


Oh, *now you've done it...

I'm certain that whoever 'ordained' Pastor Dave required that he know as
much as the Univeral Life Church did when they ordained me thirty years
ago.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 09:48:33 PM
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:18:40 -0500 in episode
<0u34j0pf3sgrp87v2ib7906rcj2nb37f5b@4ax.com> we saw our hero David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com>:

In alt.talk.creationism, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
in <h4idndnvpKg2J63cRVn-pw@megapath.net>:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:13:58 -0700 in episode
<Hq0Yc.19808$nk.4256@okepread05> we saw our hero "Adam Warlock"
<go@away.com>:

"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jao0j0dlo86vldu9qm1sdg9fi8pimp390e@4ax.com...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on Sat, 28 Aug 2004
01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on Fri, 27 Aug
2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine <Nuke-Marine@cox.net>
screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated
by the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation. You have not
even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths
utilizing said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe with. You did
not address the specific issues brought up.


Speaking of that, who ordained you, Dave?


Oh, *now you've done it...


I'm certain that whoever 'ordained' Pastor Dave required that he know as
much as the Univeral Life Church did when they ordained me thirty years
ago.

You got one of those too huh? <g>
Back when I was on Compuserve, one of our bunch found the ULC was
ordaining people over the Internet. So our entire bunch of atheists and
agnostics went.
Couldn't swing a cat without hitting a pastor...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Often anger is a sign of engagement with life. People who
are angry are touched deeply by the events of their lives
and feel strongly about them....Anger is just a demand for
change, a passionate wish for things to be different....
And, as it was for me, it may be the first expression of
the will to live." -- Rachel Naomi Remen
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 10:03:23 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:8JGdnUJwXLriCK_cRVn-hA@megapath.net...
snip


You got one of those too huh? <g>

Back when I was on Compuserve, one of our bunch found the ULC was
ordaining people over the Internet. So our entire bunch of atheists and
agnostics went.

Couldn't swing a cat without hitting a pastor...

LOL - I happen to be one myself :)
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "Kermit"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 03 Sep 2004 11:42:21 PM
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:<2pfjnsFk1ed4U1@uni-berlin.de>...

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:8JGdnUJwXLriCK_cRVn-hA@megapath.net...

snip


You got one of those too huh? <g>

Back when I was on Compuserve, one of our bunch found the ULC was
ordaining people over the Internet. So our entire bunch of atheists and
agnostics went.

Couldn't swing a cat without hitting a pastor...


LOL - I happen to be one myself :)

I am too, altho I no longer have the documentation. Believe it or not,
a piece of paper is hard to track from the sixties to the 21st
century :(
Kermit
I think it's wherever my incense burner ended up.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 30 Aug 2004 08:43:02 AM
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:03:23 -0400 in episode
<2pfjnsFk1ed4U1@uni-berlin.de> we saw our hero "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com>:


"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:8JGdnUJwXLriCK_cRVn-hA@megapath.net...

snip


You got one of those too huh? <g>

Back when I was on Compuserve, one of our bunch found the ULC was
ordaining people over the Internet. So our entire bunch of atheists and
agnostics went.

Couldn't swing a cat without hitting a pastor...


LOL - I happen to be one myself :)

Hm... Reverend Robyn has a nice ring to it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Often anger is a sign of engagement with life. People who
are angry are touched deeply by the events of their lives
and feel strongly about them....Anger is just a demand for
change, a passionate wish for things to be different....
And, as it was for me, it may be the first expression of
the will to live." -- Rachel Naomi Remen
.






User: ""

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 10:37:27 PM
In talk.atheism Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation.
You have not even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths utilizing
said religious texts.

No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe
with. You did not address the specific issues brought
up.

No, Dave, he addressed SPECIFICALLY the points you made. But of course
you're too dishonest to acknowledge that.

--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/
o{}xxxxx[]::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
\
"Species that were once thought to have turned into
others have been found to overlap in time with these
alleged descendants. In fact, the fossil record does
not convincingly document a single transition from one
species to another." (Stanley, S.M., The New
Evolutionary Timetable: Fossils, Genes, and the Origin
of Species, 1981, p. 95)
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Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
.

User: "The Nuclear Marine"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 12:07:34 PM
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jao0j0dlo86vldu9qm1sdg9fi8pimp390e@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation.
You have not even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths
utilizing said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe
with. You did not address the specific issues brought
up.

Very well, volley into your court. What were the specific subjects that
would warrant a reply from you that actually has to do with the subject
and not a remark that you're being insulted with rants, raves and
speculation?
Till then, I respectfully decline to take part in your delusional
thinking.
Nuke
.
User: "Chris Devol"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 12:24:29 PM
"The Nuclear Marine" <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> wrote in message
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation.
You have not even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths
utilizing said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe
with. You did not address the specific issues brought
up.


Very well, volley into your court. What were the specific subjects that
would warrant a reply from you that actually has to do with the subject
and not a remark that you're being insulted with rants, raves and
speculation?

Till then, I respectfully decline to take part in your delusional
thinking.

What you have not understood is that Dave actually knows, and is in direct
contact with, Who he is talking about, which is why he doesn't prefix every
reference to God with the adjective "Christian", or spell God with a small
"g". God is not sectarian ("Christian"), nor one of many possible gods
(small "g"). He is ALL IN ALL, the source of being in all beings, the
Absolute Truth.
You, on the other hand, are playing with scattered mental constructs. The
"Christian god" you pretend to refute exists only in your own mind.
We worship what we know.
If you would start talking about what you really know, and what you are
really in direct contact with. There would be no problem. We could all be
edified.
.
User: "The Nuclear Marine"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 08:11:57 AM
"Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote in
news:hd3Yc.924$8d1.166@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

What you have not understood is that Dave actually knows, and is in
direct contact with, Who he is talking about, which is why he doesn't
prefix every reference to God with the adjective "Christian", or spell
God with a small "g". God is not sectarian ("Christian"), nor one of
many possible gods (small "g"). He is ALL IN ALL, the source of being
in all beings, the Absolute Truth.

No, you two seem to be talking about two very different gods. That you
call them the same name does not make them the same. Hence, I utilize
Christian god (adapted upon the New Testement and 2000 years of
theological debate into the issue) to differ from the Jewish god
(utilizes the Torah, again adapted by 2800 years of religious thought
into the matter) and the Muslim god (who is the one true God).
I doubt you understand the concept of truth enough to apply the label
"Absolut Truth" (is that like a cross in the shape of a Vodka bottle?).
Truth is subjective, there is no absolute to it.

You, on the other hand, are playing with scattered mental constructs.
The "Christian god" you pretend to refute exists only in your own
mind.

At what point did I even try to refute the Christian god? I'm trying to
figure out what this "God" it is you claim to know and worship.

We worship what we know.

So you worship two things: Jack and *****.

If you would start talking about what you really know, and what you
are really in direct contact with. There would be no problem. We could
all be edified.

True, but you seem to lack that uplifting nature when one views your
various rants. Keep trying though, one day you'll see the light and
hopefully its not a train in the tunnel.
Nuke
.
User: "Chris Devol"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 02:06:47 PM
"The Nuclear Marine" <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote in
news:hd3Yc.924$8d1.166@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:


What you have not understood is that Dave actually knows, and is in
direct contact with, Who he is talking about, which is why he doesn't
prefix every reference to God with the adjective "Christian", or spell
God with a small "g". God is not sectarian ("Christian"), nor one of
many possible gods (small "g"). He is ALL IN ALL, the source of being
in all beings, the Absolute Truth.


No, you two seem to be talking about two very different gods.

No. Neither of us is worshiping any "god". We are worshiping God, the
Supreme Lord, the Absolute Truth, the Being Who is the source of all being.
There is only One Who fits that description.

That you
call them the same name does not make them the same.

There is no "them". There is only Him, Whom we worship. You are simply
making the mistake of thinking that the One God cannot be described using
different vocabulary systems.
God is known by His attributes. On His attributes, Dave and I, and all other
believers, are in complete agreement. That is because we know Him
personally.
Your misunderstanding is due to not knowing Him personally.

Hence, I utilize
Christian god (adapted upon the New Testement and 2000 years of
theological debate into the issue) to differ from the Jewish god
(utilizes the Torah, again adapted by 2800 years of religious thought
into the matter) and the Muslim god (who is the one true God).

As I said, you are simply confused by different vocabularies.

I doubt you understand the concept of truth enough to apply the label
"Absolut Truth" (is that like a cross in the shape of a Vodka bottle?).
Truth is subjective, there is no absolute to it.

You do not know what is "truth", much less Absolute Truth.

You, on the other hand, are playing with scattered mental constructs.
The "Christian god" you pretend to refute exists only in your own
mind.

At what point did I even try to refute the Christian god? I'm trying to
figure out what this "God" it is you claim to know and worship.

I doubt that you are trying to figure out anything except how to get
yourself a better deal on whatever form of temporary sense enjoyment you can
grab before death takes you. You are certainly not trying to understand God.
You have no philosophical principles that I can discern from any of your
posts.

We worship what we know.

So you worship two things: Jack and *****.

Well then at least you can't accuse me of not knowing Jack *****.

If you would start talking about what you really know, and what you
are really in direct contact with. There would be no problem. We could
all be edified.

True, but you seem to lack that uplifting nature when one views your
various rants. Keep trying though, one day you'll see the light and
hopefully its not a train in the tunnel.

Bah, you're just blaming the messenger.
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 05:15:04 PM
In alt.atheism on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:06:47 GMT, "Chris Devol"
<eat@joes.pub> let us all know that:

"The Nuclear Marine" <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95543F087BC6ENukeMarine@68.6.19.6...

"Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote in
news:hd3Yc.924$8d1.166@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:


What you have not understood is that Dave actually knows, and is in
direct contact with, Who he is talking about, which is why he doesn't
prefix every reference to God with the adjective "Christian", or spell
God with a small "g". God is not sectarian ("Christian"), nor one of
many possible gods (small "g"). He is ALL IN ALL, the source of being
in all beings, the Absolute Truth.


No, you two seem to be talking about two very different gods.


No. Neither of us is worshiping any "god". We are worshiping God, the
Supreme Lord, the Absolute Truth, the Being Who is the source of all being.
There is only One Who fits that description.

J.R. "BOB" Dobbs.
Don
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User: "AnotherObserver®"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 03:36:57 PM
"Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote:

He is ALL IN ALL, the source of being in all beings, the
Absolute Truth.

Is this in relation to the Gnostic "All"?
--
Davidwd
~~~~~~~~~
irreligionist
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User: ""

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 28 Aug 2004 10:39:13 PM
In talk.atheism Chris Devol <eat@joes.pub> wrote:

"The Nuclear Marine" <Nuke-Marine@cox.net> wrote in message
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jao0j0dlo86vldu9qm1sdg9fi8pimp390e@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation.
You have not even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths
utilizing said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe
with. You did not address the specific issues brought
up.


Very well, volley into your court. What were the specific subjects that
would warrant a reply from you that actually has to do with the subject
and not a remark that you're being insulted with rants, raves and
speculation?

Till then, I respectfully decline to take part in your delusional
thinking.

What you have not understood is that Dave actually knows, and is in direct
contact with, Who he is talking about, which is why he doesn't prefix every
reference to God with the adjective "Christian", or spell God with a small
"g". God is not sectarian ("Christian"), nor one of many possible gods
(small "g"). He is ALL IN ALL, the source of being in all beings, the
Absolute Truth.
You, on the other hand, are playing with scattered mental constructs. The
"Christian god" you pretend to refute exists only in your own mind.
We worship what we know.

WOW! I thought I'd never meet one but it's finally happened! I've met my
very first *****-worshipper!

If you would start talking about what you really know, and what you are
really in direct contact with. There would be no problem. We could all be
edified.

--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 11:24:50 AM
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:07:34 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jao0j0dlo86vldu9qm1sdg9fi8pimp390e@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:39:27 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lqcvi0dksbvjv3a9hndf289rpjk2dqunef@4ax.com:

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:19:28 GMT, The Nuclear Marine
<Nuke-Marine@cox.net> screamed out:



From those texts, it's obvious man ascended to godhood (as stated by
the christian god later in the chapter) so was expelled lest man
achieved immortality to boot.


You've done nothing but rant and spit out speculation.
You have not even begun to address the points made.


Speculation? I justified my statements of the Christian myths
utilizing said religious texts.


No, you picked on subjects you thought you were safe
with. You did not address the specific issues brought
up.


Very well, volley into your court. What were the specific subjects that
would warrant a reply from you that actually has to do with the subject
and not a remark that you're being insulted with rants, raves and
speculation?

Till then, I respectfully decline to take part in your delusional
thinking.

Nuke

Thank you for proving my point.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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User: "Steven Sousa"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 27 Aug 2004 10:18:13 AM
Pastor Dave wrote:

Now you're leaving logic and stretching to the part
where you WANT to slam God, so you make a leap of
illogic, hoping I won't catch it.

Your idea of benevolent, is that no evil can exist.
That does not mean that your idea is correct, just
because you think it's so.

You also assume it's a moral shortcoming to allow evil
to exist. Yet you do the same thing every day. Why do
you not stamp out evil, including your own? You make
yourself immoral with your own logic and therefore,
unable to point your finger at anyone else, let alone
God. If being moral is the idea of not letting evil
exist, then you have failed as well, have you not?

It is a moral shortcoming to allow suffering to exist while one
possesses the ability to mitigate that suffering at no cost to oneself.
If God and Heaven existed, then right now God could will every sentient
living being into Heaven, a world of no suffering.
*Waits*
God did not do so.
If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the single most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.
--
To reply, keep in mind that I'm not PHIL.
.
User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 27 Aug 2004 05:21:49 PM
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:

Pastor Dave wrote:

Now you're leaving logic and stretching to the part
where you WANT to slam God, so you make a leap of
illogic, hoping I won't catch it.

Your idea of benevolent, is that no evil can exist.
That does not mean that your idea is correct, just
because you think it's so.

You also assume it's a moral shortcoming to allow evil
to exist. Yet you do the same thing every day. Why do
you not stamp out evil, including your own? You make
yourself immoral with your own logic and therefore,
unable to point your finger at anyone else, let alone
God. If being moral is the idea of not letting evil
exist, then you have failed as well, have you not?


It is a moral shortcoming to allow suffering to exist while one
possesses the ability to mitigate that suffering at no cost to oneself.

No, it is not and your premise is easily disproved.

If God and Heaven existed, then right now God could will every sentient
living being into Heaven, a world of no suffering.

Could, but why would He? Should Heaven become like
Iraq?

*Waits*

God did not do so.

If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the single most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.

Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".
I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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User: "Billy Goat"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 27 Aug 2004 09:11:40 PM
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<prcvi0h3imlj23tnlnthr7ek9f18gh0a7b@4ax.com>...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:

If God and Heaven existed, then right now God could will every sentient
living being into Heaven, a world of no suffering.


Could, but why would He?

Because according to 2 Peter 3:9, it is God's will that none should
perish. Are you suggesting that Peter was lying?


If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the single most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.

Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins. How is
that any different?
--Billy
.
User: "Chris Devol"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 27 Aug 2004 09:31:13 PM
"Billy Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<prcvi0h3imlj23tnlnthr7ek9f18gh0a7b@4ax.com>...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:

If God and Heaven existed, then right now God could will every sentient
living being into Heaven, a world of no suffering.


Could, but why would He?


Because according to 2 Peter 3:9, it is God's will that none should
perish. Are you suggesting that Peter was lying?


If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the single most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.


Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins. How is
that any different?

No. Christians do not burden Jesus. Jesus takes the burden of His own free
will.
.
User: "Billy Goat"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 08:58:58 PM
"Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote in message news:<R7SXc.547$8d1.347@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

"Billy Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<prcvi0h3imlj23tnlnthr7ek9f18gh0a7b@4ax.com>...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:

If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the single most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.


Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins. How is
that any different?


No. Christians do not burden Jesus. Jesus takes the burden of His own free
will.

So correct me if I'm wrong:
- Both atheists *and* Christians try to rid themselves of the burden
of responsibility for their own actions.
- The only difference is that the Christians succeed, because there is
Someone to take the burden.
Thus, atheists are responsible, and Christians are irresponsible.
--Billy
.
User: "Chris Devol"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 29 Aug 2004 10:34:52 PM
"Billy Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Billy Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:


If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the single
most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.


Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins. How is
that any different?


No. Christians do not burden Jesus. Jesus takes the burden of His own
free
will.


So correct me if I'm wrong:

- Both atheists *and* Christians try to rid themselves of the burden
of responsibility for their own actions.

- The only difference is that the Christians succeed, because there is
Someone to take the burden.

Thus, atheists are responsible, and Christians are irresponsible.

Yes. That is a fact. Those who declare that they are "autonomous" and
"independent" of God are themselves responsible for their own actions.
That's only logical and fair, isn't it?
Those who repent (i.e. surrender to God and return to their original
position as cooperating servants of God) are no longer responsible for their
actions. God Himself delivers them from all their sins.
.
User: "The Nuclear Marine"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 30 Aug 2004 09:15:20 AM
"Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote in
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"Billy Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote in message

Thus, atheists are responsible, and Christians are irresponsible.


Yes. That is a fact.

At least we agree on something Devolution.

Those who repent (i.e. surrender to God and return to their original
position as cooperating servants of God) are no longer responsible for
their actions. God Himself delivers them from all their sins.

Disproven in Christian, Jewish and Muslim texts.
.

User: "Billy Goat"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 30 Aug 2004 02:52:57 PM
"Chris Devol" <eat@joes.pub> wrote in message news:<wfxYc.2304$w%6.1221@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:


If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the single
most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.


Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins. How is
that any different?


No. Christians do not burden Jesus. Jesus takes the burden of His own
free
will.


So correct me if I'm wrong:

- Both atheists *and* Christians try to rid themselves of the burden
of responsibility for their own actions.

- The only difference is that the Christians succeed, because there is
Someone to take the burden.

Thus, atheists are responsible, and Christians are irresponsible.


Yes. That is a fact. Those who declare that they are "autonomous" and
"independent" of God are themselves responsible for their own actions.
That's only logical and fair, isn't it?

Those who repent (i.e. surrender to God and return to their original
position as cooperating servants of God) are no longer responsible for their
actions. God Himself delivers them from all their sins.

Ah, it all makes sense now! This explains why Andrea Yates thought it
was okay to kill her children. Thanks.
--Billy
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User: "Chris Devol"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 30 Aug 2004 03:10:17 PM
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:


If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe
and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the single
most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.


Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins. How
is
that any different?


No. Christians do not burden Jesus. Jesus takes the burden of His own
free
will.


So correct me if I'm wrong:

- Both atheists *and* Christians try to rid themselves of the burden
of responsibility for their own actions.

- The only difference is that the Christians succeed, because there is
Someone to take the burden.

Thus, atheists are responsible, and Christians are irresponsible.


Yes. That is a fact. Those who declare that they are "autonomous" and
"independent" of God are themselves responsible for their own actions.
That's only logical and fair, isn't it?

Those who repent (i.e. surrender to God and return to their original
position as cooperating servants of God) are no longer responsible for
their
actions. God Himself delivers them from all their sins.


Ah, it all makes sense now! This explains why Andrea Yates thought it
was okay to kill her children. Thanks.

--Billy

It sure does. Since she was obviously an atheist who had declared her
autonomy and independence from God, and had delegated all moral authority to
herself, the proof being that she rejected God's commandment "you shall not
murder".
Looks like quite a typical atheist act.
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User: "Tom"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 30 Aug 2004 03:29:15 PM
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:


If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe
and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the

single

most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.


Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins.

How

is
that any different?


No. Christians do not burden Jesus. Jesus takes the burden of His

own

free
will.


So correct me if I'm wrong:

- Both atheists *and* Christians try to rid themselves of the burden
of responsibility for their own actions.

- The only difference is that the Christians succeed, because there

is

Someone to take the burden.

Thus, atheists are responsible, and Christians are irresponsible.


Yes. That is a fact. Those who declare that they are "autonomous" and
"independent" of God are themselves responsible for their own actions.
That's only logical and fair, isn't it?

Those who repent (i.e. surrender to God and return to their original
position as cooperating servants of God) are no longer responsible for
their
actions. God Himself delivers them from all their sins.


Ah, it all makes sense now! This explains why Andrea Yates thought it
was okay to kill her children. Thanks.

--Billy


It sure does. Since she was obviously an atheist who had declared her
autonomy and independence from God, and had delegated all moral authority

to

herself, the proof being that she rejected God's commandment "you shall

not

murder".

Looks like quite a typical atheist act.

She was????????? Damn DeVol, you don't have an honest bone in your body, do
you? Why is it that every creationist that I have ever dealt with thought it
was okay to lie for god? Is there a verse in the bible that commands this?
.
User: "Chris Devol"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 30 Aug 2004 03:51:10 PM
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:


If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this universe
and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the

single

most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.


Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins.

How

is
that any different?


No. Christians do not burden Jesus. Jesus takes the burden of His

own

free
will.


So correct me if I'm wrong:

- Both atheists *and* Christians try to rid themselves of the burden
of responsibility for their own actions.

- The only difference is that the Christians succeed, because there

is

Someone to take the burden.

Thus, atheists are responsible, and Christians are irresponsible.


Yes. That is a fact. Those who declare that they are "autonomous" and
"independent" of God are themselves responsible for their own actions.
That's only logical and fair, isn't it?

Those who repent (i.e. surrender to God and return to their original
position as cooperating servants of God) are no longer responsible for
their
actions. God Himself delivers them from all their sins.


Ah, it all makes sense now! This explains why Andrea Yates thought it
was okay to kill her children. Thanks.

--Billy


It sure does. Since she was obviously an atheist who had declared her
autonomy and independence from God, and had delegated all moral authority

to

herself, the proof being that she rejected God's commandment "you shall

not

murder".

Looks like quite a typical atheist act.


She was????????? Damn DeVol, you don't have an honest bone in your body,
do
you? Why is it that every creationist that I have ever dealt with thought
it
was okay to lie for god? Is there a verse in the bible that commands this?

You don't get out much, do you?
The behavior of Andrea Yates was entirely typical of millions of atheists,
who, in spite of whatever lip-service they give to the word "God", have by
their actions, demonstrated that they reject God's authority and claim it
for themselves. They claim autonomy, i.e. they claim to be "a law unto
themselves", as did Andrea Yates when SHE decided.to execute her children.
Hitler, for example, rejected God and took the authority over life and death
to himself, as do the millions of persons who murder their unborn children,
and the doctors who help them, and the legislators and judges who make it
"legal" for them to do so.
Such persons are atheists. If they were not, they would obey God, especially
in such an important commandment as "you shall not murder".
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User: "Tom"

Title: Re: EXPOSING THE ATHEIST 30 Aug 2004 06:13:55 PM
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:18:13 -0400, Steven Sousa
<ssousa@PHILadelphia.net> screamed out:


If Heaven already existed, then for God to create this

universe

and
cause or allow it to be populated by sentient beings is the

single

most
evil, malevolent, and sadistic action of which I can

conceive.


Then you have a warped mind. All you've really said
is, "God, it's your fault I do the things I do".

I.e., you will not take responsibility for your own
actions. That's quite immature.


Christians burden Jesus with the responsibility for their sins.

How

is
that any different?


No. Christians do not burden Jesus. Jesus takes the burden of His

own

free
will.


So correct me if I'm wrong:

- Both atheists *and* Christians try to rid themselves of the

burden

of responsibility for their own actions.

- The only difference is that the Christians succeed, because

there

is

Someone to take the burden.

Thus, atheists are responsible, and Christians are irresponsible.


Yes. That is a fact. Those who declare that they are "autonomous"

and

"independent" of God are themselves responsible for their own

actions.

That's only logical and fair, isn't it?

Those who repent (i.e. surrender to God and return to their original
position as cooperating servants of God) are no longer responsible

for

their
actions. God Himself delivers them from all their sins.


Ah, it all makes sense now! This explains why Andrea Yates thought it
was okay to kill her children. Thanks.

--Billy


It sure does. Since she was obviously an atheist who had declared her
autonomy and independence from God, and had delegated all moral

authority

to

herself, the proof being that she rejected God's commandment "you shall

not

murder".

Looks like quite a typical atheist act.


She was????????? Damn DeVol, you don't have an honest bone in your body,
do
you? Why is it that every creationist that I have ever dealt with

thought

it
was okay to lie for god? Is there a verse in the bible that commands

this?


You don't get out much, do you?

Oh yes, I get out quite a bit as a matter of fact.

The behavior of Andrea Yates was entirely typical of millions of atheists,
who, in spite of whatever lip-service they