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Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
They argued Sharon's Gaza evacuation will "destroy Israel and the
Jewish people" and will cause Jewish deaths.
Rabbi Yosef Dayan, one of the leaders of the ceremony, told WND, "I
said 10 months ago that I am willing do the Pulsa Dinura if rabbis are
going to instruct me to do that. We decided now it is time. Sharon is
endangering the entire Jewish population. He is giving land to the
enemies who will use it to attack us. He has let them fire on us with
bullets and rockets without retaliation because it serves his purposes.
He is going to expel my mother-in-law from Gush Katif [Gaza's Jewish
communities]."
The Pulsa Dinura was held late Thursday night in an ancient cemetery in
the town of Rosh Pina. It was performed by a kabbalist, who recited
prayers that were repeated by 20 men, who, in line with kabbalistic
tradition, were all over the age of 40, bearded and first purified
themselves in a ritual bath.
Describing the ceremony, participant Baruch Ben Yosef, an activist
attorney, told WND, "It was done in a beautiful cemetery with a thick
forest around it, under a full moon. We performed it near the graveside
of Shlomo Ben Yosef [the first Jew to be hanged by the British in
Palestine after carrying out a revenge attack on an Arab bus.]
"The actual prayer of the Pulsa Dinura was read by the kabbalist. There
was a quorum of people that read back the prayer as he read it. And the
hope we expressed is that the angels of Kaballah will remove Sharon
from continuing to destroy the Jewish people and the land of Israel."
Dayan said, "We are making what we have done public now because you are
not supposed to curse a deaf person. You can't curse someone who
doesn't know what you did and can't hear you. Now Sharon will know, and
we will have fulfilled our obligation."
Dayan claims he put his life on the line by participating.
"If you curse someone who doesn't deserve it, it will boomerang back at
us," he said. "So obviously we are sure what Sharon is doing warrants
death.
Fringe activist Michael Ben-Horin, also a participant, told WND,
"Sharon cannot be assassinated by a man. He has too many guards and too
much security around him. We believe in god, so we are asking god to
kill him."
Asked what would be the most appropriate death for Sharon, Ben-Horin
replied, "The best thing would be for a Qassam rocket to fall on him
like he lets them fall on Jews in Gush Katif. But we'll take what we
can get."
Ben-Horin, who, with Dayan, placed a Pulsa Dinura curse on Rabin one
month before his assassination, said, "Sharon's death is more important
that Rabin's. With Rabin, he was just one man surrounded by many others
in power who were pushing for the same capitulation to terror. Here,
Sharon is the single man pushing his party and many unwilling people to
go along with the evil evacuation plan. Getting rid of Sharon can do
the trick."
Dayan told WND he is not inciting anyone to assassinate Sharon.
"We are talking to angels and spirits, not people," he said. "If
someone takes the law into his own hand and kills Sharon, it's not my
problem."
Participants in the ceremony are not mainstream leaders in the
anti-withdrawal campaign, which distanced itself from the Pulsa Dinura.
Some participants have previously been accused of serving as
provocateurs and damaging the settlement cause.
National Religious Party Chairman Zevulun Orlev said, "I vehemently
condemn those who carried out the 'Pulsa Dinura' ceremony against Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon. The 'Pulsa Dinura' prior to Rabin's
assassination caused indescribable and irreversible damage to the
religious public and the settlement enterprise, and repeating this act
would hurt the legitimate struggle against the pullout."
"We have absolutely nothing to do with this craziness," said a leader
of the Yesha settlers council. "It's a handful of nut cases who get a
lot of publicity and then it serves to discredit us. Some even think
they work for the government."
The Pulsa Dinura is not described directly in the Zohar, the main
kabbalistic text, and some kabbalists say it is not real. Adherents of
Kabbalah independently developed the idea based on obscure references.
According to Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, a religious leader from the Benei
N'vi'im Yeshiva in Chicago, the popular perception of the Pulsa Dinura
as a curse is mistaken.
Tzadok writes, "The Pulsa Dinura has wrongfully been associated with a
certain school of Kabbalah. It is not a magical formula. Torah and
Judaism have no connection to or tolerance of magic in any form.
Therefore, the consideration of anything in holy Kabbalah, an integral
part of God's Torah from Sinai, to have any ties to magic is a spurious
and offensive suggestion.
"The Pulsa Dinura is actually not a 'curse of death' as many mistakenly
believe. No rabbi or kabbalist has the right or authority to curse
another to death. In accordance to Torah Law, the only way a Jew is put
to death is for violation of specific biblical laws and then only after
being tried and condemned by a kosher and authoritative Sanhedrin, the
likes of which have not existed in Israel and among the Jewish people
since the days of the Temple."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1451173/posts
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29 Jul 2005 07:27:49 AM |
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wrote:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
If the muslims can do it to Salman Rushdie, why not the jews?
The sooner the squatter are removed and the lebensraum ends,
the better off everyone will be.
One would think in light of Thursday's IRA announcement that
people would learn: negotiating with the "terrorists" _does_
work.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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29 Jul 2005 09:45:33 AM |
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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aeiou2120@hotmail.com wrote:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
If the muslims can do it to Salman Rushdie, why not the jews?
Because that's not what they were doing.
The fatwa on Rushdie was for Muslims to kill him.
What these fringe whackos are doing is asking *G-d* to do punish Sharon.
Do try to keep up.
The sooner the squatter are removed and the lebensraum ends,
the better off everyone will be.
Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called Palestinians.
One would think in light of Thursday's IRA announcement that
people would learn: negotiating with the "terrorists" _does_
work.
One would also think that in looking at Israel's 55 year old history of
always having given up land for peace that rewarding terrorism *doesn't*
work. And one would also think in light of the fact that the IRA are
Europeans, with a European mindset, and the PLO is *neither* that others
could get *some* facts before ponitificating....
Susan
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| User: "The Department of Defense" |
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29 Jul 2005 10:21:28 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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aeiou2120@hotmail.com wrote:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
If the muslims can do it to Salman Rushdie, why not the jews?
Because that's not what they were doing.
The fatwa on Rushdie was for Muslims to kill him.
What these fringe whackos are doing is asking *G-d* to do punish Sharon.
Do try to keep up.
The sooner the squatter are removed and the lebensraum ends,
the better off everyone will be.
Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
One would think in light of Thursday's IRA announcement that
people would learn: negotiating with the "terrorists" _does_
work.
One would also think that in looking at Israel's 55 year old history of
always having given up land for peace that rewarding terrorism *doesn't*
work. And one would also think in light of the fact that the IRA are
Europeans, with a European mindset, and the PLO is *neither* that others
could get *some* facts before ponitificating....
Bingo. These idjits will never understand this.
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| User: "Jack" |
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03 Aug 2005 12:36:23 PM |
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"The Department of Defense" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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aeiou2120@hotmail.com wrote:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
Angels of death, man alive how retarded can you get ?
If there ever were angels of death Ariel would be one of them. He's even got
the name right.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
Sure and he even had some diarea the day following the ritual.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
zzz
If the muslims can do it to Salman Rushdie, why not the jews?
Because that's not what they were doing.
The fatwa on Rushdie was for Muslims to kill him.
What these fringe whackos are doing is asking *G-d* to do punish Sharon.
Do try to keep up.
Well in that case the Muslims would seem to have a better grasp of reality.
Still both approaches are quite ineffectual, why can't they stop whinning
and just DO something.
The sooner the squatter are removed and the lebensraum ends,
the better off everyone will be.
Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
How else do you wish to call them ? What's the real diffrence between a Jew
and a Palestinian anyway ? They both share a lot hate, their religions are
virtually identical..
Oh yeah one group believes that they are much better than the other but have
nothing to motivate their belief.
One would think in light of Thursday's IRA announcement that
people would learn: negotiating with the "terrorists" _does_
work.
One would also think that in looking at Israel's 55 year old history of
always having given up land for peace that rewarding terrorism *doesn't*
Sure they ALLWAYS give up land, LOL. 55 years of history now that's
something for the history books....
work. And one would also think in light of the fact that the IRA are
Europeans, with a European mindset,
You mean they have a rationnal mindset as opposed to freakishly retarded
religious view point ?
and the PLO is *neither* that others
could get *some* facts before ponitificating....
Bingo. These idjits will never understand this.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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04 Aug 2005 06:53:20 AM |
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"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
How else do you wish to call them ? What's the real diffrence between a
Jew and a Palestinian anyway ? They both share a lot hate, their religions
are virtually identical..
I knew you were dumb, but this confirms it beyond all doubts.
Susan
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| User: "Ben Cramer" |
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04 Aug 2005 07:57:31 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
How else do you wish to call them ? What's the real diffrence between a
Jew and a Palestinian anyway ? They both share a lot hate, their
religions are virtually identical..
I knew you were dumb, but this confirms it beyond all doubts.
How so suzie dear. Please elaborate.
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| User: "Jack" |
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06 Aug 2005 12:12:30 PM |
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"Ben Cramer" <bencramer7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
How else do you wish to call them ? What's the real diffrence between a
Jew and a Palestinian anyway ? They both share a lot hate, their
religions are virtually identical..
I knew you were dumb, but this confirms it beyond all doubts.
How so suzie dear. Please elaborate.
We're still waiting suzie.
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| User: "The ##Revd" |
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29 Jul 2005 11:04:06 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:28 -0500, "The Department of Defense"
<thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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aeiou2120@hotmail.com wrote:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
If the muslims can do it to Salman Rushdie, why not the jews?
Because that's not what they were doing.
The fatwa on Rushdie was for Muslims to kill him.
What these fringe whackos are doing is asking *G-d* to do punish Sharon.
Do try to keep up.
The sooner the squatter are removed and the lebensraum ends,
the better off everyone will be.
Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
One would think in light of Thursday's IRA announcement that
people would learn: negotiating with the "terrorists" _does_
work.
One would also think that in looking at Israel's 55 year old history of
always having given up land for peace that rewarding terrorism *doesn't*
work. And one would also think in light of the fact that the IRA are
Europeans, with a European mindset, and the PLO is *neither* that others
could get *some* facts before ponitificating....
Bingo. These idjits will never understand this.
Suzy's too thick to understand that 'Israelis' aren't Europeans and
don't have a European mindset either. Duh.
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| User: "Norma" |
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29 Jul 2005 12:11:57 PM |
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"The ##Revd" <reneg##de@anglic##n.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:28 -0500, "The Department of Defense"
<thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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aeiou2120@hotmail.com wrote:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
If the muslims can do it to Salman Rushdie, why not the jews?
Because that's not what they were doing.
The fatwa on Rushdie was for Muslims to kill him.
What these fringe whackos are doing is asking *G-d* to do punish Sharon.
Do try to keep up.
The sooner the squatter are removed and the lebensraum ends,
the better off everyone will be.
Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
One would think in light of Thursday's IRA announcement that
people would learn: negotiating with the "terrorists" _does_
work.
One would also think that in looking at Israel's 55 year old history of
always having given up land for peace that rewarding terrorism *doesn't*
work. And one would also think in light of the fact that the IRA are
Europeans, with a European mindset, and the PLO is *neither* that others
could get *some* facts before ponitificating....
Bingo. These idjits will never understand this.
Suzy's too thick to understand that 'Israelis' aren't Europeans and
don't have a European mindset either. Duh.
I can guarantee that the Israelis are more European than American. I was
very surprised, but I really like what they want as a normal life. It would
resemble the life of Europe more than anywhere else.
Norma
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29 Jul 2005 06:51:41 PM |
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Norma wrote:
"The ##Revd" <reneg##de@anglic##n.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:28 -0500, "The Department of Defense"
<thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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aeiou2120@hotmail.com wrote:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
If the muslims can do it to Salman Rushdie, why not the jews?
Because that's not what they were doing.
The fatwa on Rushdie was for Muslims to kill him.
What these fringe whackos are doing is asking *G-d* to do punish Sharon.
Do try to keep up.
The sooner the squatter are removed and the lebensraum ends,
the better off everyone will be.
Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
One would think in light of Thursday's IRA announcement that
people would learn: negotiating with the "terrorists" _does_
work.
One would also think that in looking at Israel's 55 year old history of
always having given up land for peace that rewarding terrorism *doesn't*
work. And one would also think in light of the fact that the IRA are
Europeans, with a European mindset, and the PLO is *neither* that others
could get *some* facts before ponitificating....
Bingo. These idjits will never understand this.
Suzy's too thick to understand that 'Israelis' aren't Europeans and
don't have a European mindset either. Duh.
I can guarantee that the Israelis are more European than American. I was
very surprised, but I really like what they want as a normal life. It would
resemble the life of Europe more than anywhere else.
Sure - trying to live a European life in the Arab and Muslim Middle
East. That's a commendable goal - NOT!
James
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29 Jul 2005 11:34:46 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:11:57 -0600, "Norma" <njb904@charter.net>
wrote:
"The ##Revd" <reneg##de@anglic##n.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:28 -0500, "The Department of Defense"
<thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hirGe.13$Bx5.9@trnddc09...
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122640069.376587.161850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
aeiou2120@hotmail.com wrote:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
If the muslims can do it to Salman Rushdie, why not the jews?
Because that's not what they were doing.
The fatwa on Rushdie was for Muslims to kill him.
What these fringe whackos are doing is asking *G-d* to do punish Sharon.
Do try to keep up.
The sooner the squatter are removed and the lebensraum ends,
the better off everyone will be.
Except that no one will *let* Israel get rid of the so-called
Palestinians.
One would think in light of Thursday's IRA announcement that
people would learn: negotiating with the "terrorists" _does_
work.
One would also think that in looking at Israel's 55 year old history of
always having given up land for peace that rewarding terrorism *doesn't*
work. And one would also think in light of the fact that the IRA are
Europeans, with a European mindset, and the PLO is *neither* that others
could get *some* facts before ponitificating....
Bingo. These idjits will never understand this.
Suzy's too thick to understand that 'Israelis' aren't Europeans and
don't have a European mindset either. Duh.
I can guarantee that the Israelis are more European than American.
But not nearly European enough to be considered part of the club.
I was
very surprised, but I really like what they want as a normal life. It would
resemble the life of Europe more than anywhere else.
No more so than Beirut did in the old days. Superficially European
but under the (thin) veneer a mass of irrational and hysterical
semites.
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29 Jul 2005 08:12:27 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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One would also think that in looking at Israel's 55 year old history of
always having given up land for peace that rewarding terrorism *doesn't*
work. And one would also think in light of the fact that the IRA are
Europeans, with a European mindset, and the PLO is *neither* that others
could get *some* facts before ponitificating....
That's awfully white of them, particularly considering they swiped the lot
in the first place.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
28 Jul 2005 08:41:28 PM |
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In episode <1122593346.946766.255320@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
aeiou2120 burst into the room and exclaimed:
Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
07-26-05
Aaron Klein
Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient cemetery
calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the ceremony told
WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin
one month before his assassination in 1995.
The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of the
Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on Sharon.
<snip>
You know, if that worked, you'd *think they coulda done something about
the Nazis...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
28 Jul 2005 09:23:08 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:D-6dnazOx7TVFHTfRVn-vQ@megapath.net...
You know, if that worked, you'd *think they coulda done something about
the Nazis...
Yes, it's a lot of grandstanding.
Susan
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
29 Jul 2005 06:31:52 AM |
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In episode <gqgGe.15725$uy3.5914@trnddc05>, Susan Cohen burst into the
room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:D-6dnazOx7TVFHTfRVn-vQ@megapath.net...
You know, if that worked, you'd *think they coulda done something about
the Nazis...
Yes, it's a lot of grandstanding.
Reminds me of when I was having online squabbles with New Agers who seemed
to think natives had all kinds of mystical powers or some such. Kept
asking if Indians could do all that, shouldn't they have won the wars?
Strangely, the New Agers would stop talking to me after that question...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
29 Jul 2005 09:42:05 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:zv-dnQL8wpE1jnffRVn-vg@megapath.net...
In episode <gqgGe.15725$uy3.5914@trnddc05>, Susan Cohen burst into the
room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:D-6dnazOx7TVFHTfRVn-vQ@megapath.net...
You know, if that worked, you'd *think they coulda done something about
the Nazis...
Yes, it's a lot of grandstanding.
Reminds me of when I was having online squabbles with New Agers who seemed
to think natives had all kinds of mystical powers or some such. Kept
asking if Indians could do all that, shouldn't they have won the wars?
Strangely, the New Agers would stop talking to me after that question...
I am reminded of the hippy group that said they were going to raise the
Pentagon by mystical powers.
Their leader had a lot of fun with the media, and told everyone that *right
after* all the reporters had left, they raised the Pentagon and spun it
around (& all sorts of stuff). He was laughing while he said it, & I had to
admire someone who could have fun while trying to make a serious statement.
Susan
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
11 Jan 2007 08:33:08 PM |
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In article <D-6dnazOx7TVFHTfRVn-vQ@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
said...
You know, if that worked, you'd *think they coulda done
something about the Nazis...
Oddly enough, I've spoken with a rabbi who thinks they did.
In short, this v-e-r-y conservative rabbi believes the Jews
in Germany had fallen away from their traditions are were
in consequence left bereft of God's protection and open to
the ambitions of their enemies, but that Germany was
ultimately defeated because of the prayers of the faithful
among them.
His comments reinforced my suspicion that a sufficiently
pious person can rationalize any series of events into a
demonstration of his god's power.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
13 Jan 2007 07:10:21 AM |
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Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in alt.atheism
Mark K. Bilbo said...
You know, if that worked, you'd *think they coulda done
something about the Nazis...
Oddly enough, I've spoken with a rabbi who thinks they did.
In short, this v-e-r-y conservative rabbi believes the Jews
in Germany had fallen away from their traditions are were
in consequence left bereft of God's protection and open to
the ambitions of their enemies, but that Germany was
ultimately defeated because of the prayers of the faithful
among them.
His comments reinforced my suspicion that a sufficiently
pious person can rationalize any series of events into a
demonstration of his god's power.
That's the exact same mindset the writers of the Bible had in
their heads. Whenever something bad happened it was because
people had "fallen away" from God. It's the same thing people like
Pat Robertson say today, and most people think he's a crackpot.
Why can't they realize the writers of the Bible were crackpots too?
I can picture a scene where there's only two such people left on
Earth, and they're stranded on a deserted island, just the two of
them. Both are as pious as can be, following exactly the same beliefs
as the other. Then along comes a tidal wave, washing them out to sea,
and they start yelling at each other, claiming the other one was not
praying hard enough, or was sinning somehow, instead of realizing,
finally, that their god doesn't exist to protect them, and that the
forces of nature don't give a rat's ***** about them either.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
28 Jul 2005 07:00:05 PM |
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Now was their curse that worked on Rabin, or could it have been my curse
on Rabin? *smirk*
<aeiou2120@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122593346.946766.255320@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: Sharon targeted with 'death curse'
:
: Extremists used ritual against Rabin before assassinated
:
:
:
: 07-26-05
:
: Aaron Klein
:
:
: Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
: cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
: Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
: ceremony told WND.
:
: The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
: Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
:
: The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
: ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
: the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
: Sharon.
:
: They argued Sharon's Gaza evacuation will "destroy Israel and the
: Jewish people" and will cause Jewish deaths.
:
: Rabbi Yosef Dayan, one of the leaders of the ceremony, told WND, "I
: said 10 months ago that I am willing do the Pulsa Dinura if rabbis are
: going to instruct me to do that. We decided now it is time. Sharon is
: endangering the entire Jewish population. He is giving land to the
: enemies who will use it to attack us. He has let them fire on us with
: bullets and rockets without retaliation because it serves his
purposes.
: He is going to expel my mother-in-law from Gush Katif [Gaza's Jewish
: communities]."
:
: The Pulsa Dinura was held late Thursday night in an ancient cemetery
in
: the town of Rosh Pina. It was performed by a kabbalist, who recited
: prayers that were repeated by 20 men, who, in line with kabbalistic
: tradition, were all over the age of 40, bearded and first purified
: themselves in a ritual bath.
:
: Describing the ceremony, participant Baruch Ben Yosef, an activist
: attorney, told WND, "It was done in a beautiful cemetery with a thick
: forest around it, under a full moon. We performed it near the
graveside
: of Shlomo Ben Yosef [the first Jew to be hanged by the British in
: Palestine after carrying out a revenge attack on an Arab bus.]
:
: "The actual prayer of the Pulsa Dinura was read by the kabbalist.
There
: was a quorum of people that read back the prayer as he read it. And
the
: hope we expressed is that the angels of Kaballah will remove Sharon
: from continuing to destroy the Jewish people and the land of Israel."
:
: Dayan said, "We are making what we have done public now because you
are
: not supposed to curse a deaf person. You can't curse someone who
: doesn't know what you did and can't hear you. Now Sharon will know,
and
: we will have fulfilled our obligation."
:
: Dayan claims he put his life on the line by participating.
:
: "If you curse someone who doesn't deserve it, it will boomerang back
at
: us," he said. "So obviously we are sure what Sharon is doing warrants
: death.
:
: Fringe activist Michael Ben-Horin, also a participant, told WND,
: "Sharon cannot be assassinated by a man. He has too many guards and
too
: much security around him. We believe in god, so we are asking god to
: kill him."
:
: Asked what would be the most appropriate death for Sharon, Ben-Horin
: replied, "The best thing would be for a Qassam rocket to fall on him
: like he lets them fall on Jews in Gush Katif. But we'll take what we
: can get."
:
: Ben-Horin, who, with Dayan, placed a Pulsa Dinura curse on Rabin one
: month before his assassination, said, "Sharon's death is more
important
: that Rabin's. With Rabin, he was just one man surrounded by many
others
: in power who were pushing for the same capitulation to terror. Here,
: Sharon is the single man pushing his party and many unwilling people
to
: go along with the evil evacuation plan. Getting rid of Sharon can do
: the trick."
:
: Dayan told WND he is not inciting anyone to assassinate Sharon.
:
: "We are talking to angels and spirits, not people," he said. "If
: someone takes the law into his own hand and kills Sharon, it's not my
: problem."
:
: Participants in the ceremony are not mainstream leaders in the
: anti-withdrawal campaign, which distanced itself from the Pulsa
Dinura.
: Some participants have previously been accused of serving as
: provocateurs and damaging the settlement cause.
:
: National Religious Party Chairman Zevulun Orlev said, "I vehemently
: condemn those who carried out the 'Pulsa Dinura' ceremony against
Prime
: Minister Ariel Sharon. The 'Pulsa Dinura' prior to Rabin's
: assassination caused indescribable and irreversible damage to the
: religious public and the settlement enterprise, and repeating this act
: would hurt the legitimate struggle against the pullout."
:
: "We have absolutely nothing to do with this craziness," said a leader
: of the Yesha settlers council. "It's a handful of nut cases who get a
: lot of publicity and then it serves to discredit us. Some even think
: they work for the government."
:
: The Pulsa Dinura is not described directly in the Zohar, the main
: kabbalistic text, and some kabbalists say it is not real. Adherents of
: Kabbalah independently developed the idea based on obscure references.
:
: According to Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, a religious leader from the Benei
: N'vi'im Yeshiva in Chicago, the popular perception of the Pulsa Dinura
: as a curse is mistaken.
:
: Tzadok writes, "The Pulsa Dinura has wrongfully been associated with a
: certain school of Kabbalah. It is not a magical formula. Torah and
: Judaism have no connection to or tolerance of magic in any form.
: Therefore, the consideration of anything in holy Kabbalah, an integral
: part of God's Torah from Sinai, to have any ties to magic is a
spurious
: and offensive suggestion.
:
: "The Pulsa Dinura is actually not a 'curse of death' as many
mistakenly
: believe. No rabbi or kabbalist has the right or authority to curse
: another to death. In accordance to Torah Law, the only way a Jew is
put
: to death is for violation of specific biblical laws and then only
after
: being tried and condemned by a kosher and authoritative Sanhedrin, the
: likes of which have not existed in Israel and among the Jewish people
: since the days of the Temple."
:
:
: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1451173/posts
:
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
28 Jul 2005 07:43:09 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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Now was their curse that worked on Rabin, or could it have been my curse
on Rabin? *smirk*
I never cursed him but I knew his effort was naive.
I could just tell he was going to make a very tragic public statemnt to the
world: that Israel could give & give and it would still not satisfy the PLO
et al; but I already knew that the world had been shown this many times, and
didn't give a damn.
Susan
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| User: "Ben Cramer" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
29 Jul 2005 02:51:08 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:vfeGe.14227$h.7360@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Now was their curse that worked on Rabin, or could it have been my curse
on Rabin? *smirk*
I never cursed him but I knew his effort was naive.
This from a fucking Irish convert already.
I could just tell he was going to make a very tragic public statemnt to
the world: that Israel could give & give
israel has never "given" anything in it's rotten history girlie, apart from
grief to it's neighbours and now the world.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Extremist Rabbis Put Death Curse On Ariel Sharon |
29 Jul 2005 10:12:57 PM |
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I did when we attended peaceful demonstrations and he would call out the
mounted police and water cannons and I would see Jewish women and
children injured by his "riot squads".
He refused to have a dialogue with the Israeli citizens who vote!!! This
was his death sentence -- he pushed and pushed and pushed. He put
himself in harm's way and would not listen and brought Israel into
another war -- the Oslo War, which has been on-going now almost 12
years!
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:vfeGe.14227$h.7360@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
: > Now was their curse that worked on Rabin, or could it have been my
curse
: > on Rabin? *smirk*
:
: I never cursed him but I knew his effort was naive.
: I could just tell he was going to make a very tragic public statemnt
to the
: world: that Israel could give & give and it would still not satisfy
the PLO
: et al; but I already knew that the world had been shown this many
times, and
: didn't give a damn.
:
: Susan
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:
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| User: "Ben Cramer" |
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29 Jul 2005 02:50:08 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:vfeGe.14227$h.7360@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Now was their curse that worked on Rabin, or could it have been my curse
on Rabin? *smirk*
In addition to being an ugly Irish poofter, you are one sick ***** as well.
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