Religions > Atheism > FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN CROSS On His Private Estate
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26 Dec 2006 02:23:28 AM |
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FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN CROSS On His Private Estate |
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
The Eagle's Nest served as Hitler's private mountain retreat during WW
II. A group of WWI veterans coined the term "Eagle's Nest." Otherwise
the name has always referred only to Hitler's tea house (teehaus).
The cross stands near the Kehlsteinhaus. For those who refuse to
accept Hitler's Christianity, this cross becomes a problem and begs
the question: Why would an anti or non-Christian allow such a symbol
on his private property? The answer, of course, lies with the fact
that Hitler was not against Christianity but rather for it. Although
he criticized political Catholicism, he wanted to unite all the German
Churches under one Reich Christian Church. Hitler stood for 'positive'
Christianity, a term that appeared in the Nazi Party program (their
version of a Constitution).
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: does archaeology refute the Babble? |
27 Dec 2006 11:20:16 AM |
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Baseball player Frank Pastore gives a talk within the radio broadcast
below.
He believed that archaeology was at odds with the Old and New
Testament. Was that (now-former) view of his correct?
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27 December 2006
One Pitch from Humility
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/Focus_on_the_Family/archives.asp?bcd=2006-12-27
thread for
erroneous claims in the Babble
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1156770348.117388.43940%40i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1999 _Is the Bible True?: How Modern Debates and Discoveries Affirm
the Essence of the Scriptures_
by Jeffery L. Sheler
http://www.amazon.com/Bible-True-Debates-Discoveries-Scriptures/dp/006067542X/sr=8-4/qid=1167239367/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4/105-8508322-0625202?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: does archaeology refute the Babble? |
29 Dec 2006 09:43:04 PM |
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On 27 Dec 2006 09:20:16 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Baseball player Frank Pastore gives a talk within the radio broadcast
below.
He believed that archaeology was at odds with the Old and New
Testament. Was that (now-former) view of his correct?
Yes.
Next question...
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN CROSS On His Private Estate |
27 Dec 2006 09:29:18 AM |
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Glenn wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
The Eagle's Nest served as Hitler's private mountain retreat during WW
II. A group of WWI veterans coined the term "Eagle's Nest." Otherwise
the name has always referred only to Hitler's tea house (teehaus).
The cross stands near the Kehlsteinhaus. For those who refuse to
accept Hitler's Christianity, this cross becomes a problem and begs
the question: Why would an anti or non-Christian allow such a symbol
on his private property? The answer, of course, lies with the fact
that Hitler was not against Christianity but rather for it. Although
he criticized political Catholicism, he wanted to unite all the German
Churches under one Reich Christian Church. Hitler stood for 'positive'
Christianity, a term that appeared in the Nazi Party program (their
version of a Constitution).
A "smoking gun" fact, huh. Provide your evidence.
Here's yours, from "nobelief" ""freethinkers"" that reference holocaust
deniers:
http://www.letsgo-europe.com/Germany/eagles_nest/eagle's%20nest07.jpg
Notice the date.
Here's two different sources:
http://www.cmorello.net/ct3/travel/bgl.html
"Also up there is a wooden cross, placed in 2003 to replace the
original one erected in 1951.
Did Hitler erect it after he committed suicide?
I rather suspect the original was the
victim of Lightning or similar during the winter of 2002-2003. This is
one of my all time favorite of my pictures."
http://www.bensbauernhof.com/pstuyvsant2003tripreportchapter5.html
"What luck... There is a crew of workmen who are replacing the old
wooden cross that stood there since 1951, with a brand new one with the
year 2003 engraved. They are aligning it and are crawling all over with
drills and saws putting the finishing touches on. The last crowning
feat is to put the large Edelweiss ornament on top of the cross. We
promptly agree to return in another 50 years to see if they get the
same mileage out of this new one."
Does the "nobelief" ""freethinkers"" version of the situation appear in
Wikipedia?
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Krueger; reply to Tracy re: Rauschning
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143165740.763792.5930%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN CROSS On His Private Estate |
27 Dec 2006 09:32:15 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
I have a thoery that Old Uncle Adolph was really a secret Jain
Buddhist.
What does a "Jain Buddhist" believe?
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton wears a cross and invokes "the Scripture" |
27 Dec 2006 09:59:53 AM |
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Milan wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1167173588.630512.136740@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Frankly, I dont care much what Hillary Clinton says or wears, but, as a
rule, I find it very irritating when politicians quote the bible to support
their points of view. But in the US the god thing and the bible thing are
deeply ingrained superstitions and politicians throw them around all the
time. In Europe we dont do god and any politician who mentioned god or the
bible would disqualify themselves as freaks immediately.
regards
Milan
"as a rule, I find it very irritating when politicians quote the bible
to support their points of view"
Who are 3 Presidents in American history you admire, if any?
"In Europe we dont do god"
Give presently-secular Europe 50 years.
Allah akhbar!
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Europe is currently falling to Islam.
Who here would like the U.S. to become more like Europe?
first Muslim in Congress a Nation of Islam Democrat;
Dean and Islamic holidays: "I join Muslims... to mark the end of
Ramadan"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1161570482.837830.40360%40m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com
America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It
by Mark Steyn
http://www.amazon.com/America-Alone-End-World-Know/dp/0895260786/sr=8-1/qid=1162122215/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-2751285-6475216?
Moore: 'insurgents' in Iraq *aren't* terrorists, and "will win"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1160753392.516824.29720%40e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
agree with these Defeatocrat Murtha and Defeatocrat Dean views?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1161111191.437514.279630%40f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Lieberman on the poor consequences of early withdrawal from Iraq
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1160495534.892528.316110%40e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
11 October 2006
The Sunni-Shiite Cold War -- or Worse
by Terence P. Jeffrey
in _Human Events_
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17474
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak put the Sunni
fears bluntly. Returning from a tour of the GCC
states in April, he spoke with Al-Arabiya TV.
==
"What will happen in Iraq if the Americans leave
today?" the interviewer asked.
"It will be a disaster," said Mubarak. "The war
between them will rage more. And many forces will
get involved. Iran and others will get involved. It
will be a theatre for an ugly civil war. Terrorist
operations will also rage, not only in Iraq, but also in
a number of other places."
Clinton vs. Bush approach to terrorism: which is better?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1161103101.253045.24990%40i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Clinton let bin Laden think U.S. is a paper tiger
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1161105202.099394.70970%40k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
18 September 2006
Head-in-the-Sand Liberals
Western civilization really is at risk from Muslim extremists.
by Sam Harris, originally in the LA Times
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/the-end-of-liberalism/
Londonistan
by Melanie Phillips
http://www.amazon.com/Londonistan-Melanie-Phillips/dp/1594031444/ref=pd_sim_b_4/002-2751285-6475216
While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from
Within
by Bruce Bawer
http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-Slept-Radical-Destroying/dp/0385514727/ref=pd_sim_b_1/002-2751285-6475216
Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis
by Bat Ye'Or, Bat Yeor
http://www.amazon.com/Eurabia-Euro-Arab-Axis-Bat-YeOr/dp/083864077X/ref=pd_sim_b_2/002-2751285-6475216
The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats Non-Muslims
by Robert Spencer (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Islamic-Tolerance-Treats-Non-Muslims/dp/1591022495/ref=pd_sim_b_1/002-2751285-6475216
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)
by Robert Spencer
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Islam-Crusades/dp/0895260131/ref=pd_sim_b_1/002-2751285-6475216
One Nation Under Allah
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/book.asp
David Zucker Albright Ad
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=david+zucker&search=Search
Also there is his taxman ad and Iraq Surrender Group ad.
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton wears a cross and invokes "the Scripture" |
27 Dec 2006 09:18:13 AM |
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Richard Smol wrote:
david ford wrote:
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
Hillary is a Christian. Bush is one too. So was Hitler.
Do you think Bill Clinton "is a Christian"?
Do you think DNC chair Howard Dean "is a Christian"?
"a Christian.... so was Hitler"
Do you think Hitler was a Christian during the time he was friends with
Kubizek (late 1904 -- 20 November 1908)?
Kubizek, August. 1954. _Young Hitler: The Story of Our Friendship_,
translated from the German by E.V. Anderson, with an introduction by
H.R. Trevor-Roper (London: Allan Wingate), 204pp. On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Young-Hitler-I-Knew/dp/1853676942/sr=8-1/qid=1167231541/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-8508322-0625202?
On 185 in the chapter "Political Awakening":
He [Hitler] hated this [Vienna-containing Hapsburg]
State, which ruined Germanism, and the pillars that
supported this State: the reigning house, the
Church, the nobility, the capitalists and the Jews.
Do you think Hillary cares what the Bible says when it comes to the
issue of:
medical personnel killing unwanted pre-born human life?
Which is not mentioned anywhere.
immigration?
"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be
of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen
and bondmaids." - Leviticus 25:44
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: does archaeology refute the Babble? |
28 Dec 2006 08:27:02 AM |
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Timberwoof wrote:
In article
<dford3-1167240016.173243.217530@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Baseball player Frank Pastore gives a talk within the radio broadcast
below.
He believed that archaeology was at odds with the Old and New
Testament. Was that (now-former) view of his correct?
Well, of course it was. Baseball layers are great people! Someone who
can swing a bat and hit a ball so hard it describes a perfect arc
(almost as though he had calculated the parabolic arch modified by
athospheric drag and wind currents!) over the stadium wall is
*obviously* the final authority on matters of biblical archaeology.
Pastore was a pitcher. Pitchers generally don't hit well.
Do you believe that archaeology is at odds with the Old and New
Testament?
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27 December 2006
One Pitch from Humility
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/Focus_on_the_Family/archives.asp?bcd=2006-12-27
thread for
erroneous claims in the Babble
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1156770348.117388.43940%40i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1999 _Is the Bible True?: How Modern Debates and Discoveries Affirm
the Essence of the Scriptures_
by Jeffery L. Sheler
http://www.amazon.com/Bible-True-Debates-Discoveries-Scriptures/dp/006067542X/sr=8-4/qid=1167239367/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4/105-8508322-0625202?
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Hillary Clinton wears a cross and invokes "the Scripture" |
26 Dec 2006 04:53:09 PM |
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What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
Do you think Hillary cares what the Bible says when it comes to the
issue of:
medical personnel killing unwanted pre-born human life?
immigration?
Bernstein, Nina. 23 March 2006. "Mrs. Clinton Says GOP Immigration
Plan Is At Odds With The Bible" _The New York Times_. Cited in
http://newsbusters.org/node/4696
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible
yesterday to criticize a stringent border security
measure that, among other things, would make it a
federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.
"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership
that is constantly talking about values and about
faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of
legislation,'' she said of the measure, which was
passed by the House of Representatives in
December and mirrored a companion Senate bill
introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a
Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.
''It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding
of the Scripture because this bill would literally
criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even
Jesus himself,'' she said.
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a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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28 Dec 2006 08:22:55 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote in "Re: FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN
CROSS On His Private Estate":
On 26 Dec 2006 david ford:
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
That Christians like you hate Jews, and Christians like Hillary does
not.
Next.
Does Jimmy Carter "hate Jews"?
29 September 2006
Democrats and the anti-Semitism of Hugo Chavez
by Ed Lasky
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5900&search=chavez
Various Democrats have looked with favor upon the
anti-American Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez
over the years, his record of deepening anti-
Semitism notwithstanding. Ex-president Carter
helped him secure his position by certifying election
results that others have cast doubt upon.
Hayward, Steven F. 2004. _The Real Jimmy Carter: How Our Worst
Ex-President Undermines American Foreign Policy, Coddles Dictators and
Created the Party of Clinton and Kerry_ (Regnery Publishing, Inc.),
272pp.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895260905/sr=8-3/qid=1143641548/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-4763171-5283238?
2006 _Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid_
by Jimmy Carter
http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Peace-Apartheid-Jimmy-Carter/dp/0743285026/sr=8-1/qid=1167358210/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-8508322-0625202?
Does Howard Dean "hate" anyone?
DNC's Defeatocrat Dean: "I hate the Republicans and everything they
stand for"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1161138356.554236.23700%40i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
"Christians like you [df] hate Jews"
What are the names of 5 individuals you consider [Y]"Jews"?
Are these individuals "Jews"?:
1. Michael Medved
2. Dennis Prager
3. Rabbi Daniel Lapin
4. Don Feder
5. Senator Joe Lieberman
Do you believe I "hate" any of these individuals?:
1. Michael Medved
2. Dennis Prager
3. Rabbi Daniel Lapin
4. Don Feder
5. Senator Joe Lieberman
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prominent 'Jews' that are bailers/ not-drillers?
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1131677107.289542.229200%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Lieberman on the poor consequences of early withdrawal from Iraq
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1160495534.892528.316110%40e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
Lamont on Iraq
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1160495212.927442.294890%40e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN CROSS On His Private Estate |
26 Dec 2006 05:30:53 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
The Eagle's Nest served as Hitler's private mountain retreat during WW
II. A group of WWI veterans coined the term "Eagle's Nest." Otherwise
the name has always referred only to Hitler's tea house (teehaus).
The cross stands near the Kehlsteinhaus. For those who refuse to
accept Hitler's Christianity, this cross becomes a problem and begs
the question: Why would an anti or non-Christian allow such a symbol
on his private property? The answer, of course, lies with the fact
that Hitler was not against Christianity but rather for it. Although
he criticized political Catholicism, he wanted to unite all the German
Churches under one Reich Christian Church. Hitler stood for 'positive'
Christianity, a term that appeared in the Nazi Party program (their
version of a Constitution).
A "smoking gun" fact, huh. Provide your evidence.
Here's yours, from "nobelief" ""freethinkers"" that reference holocaust
deniers:
http://www.letsgo-europe.com/Germany/eagles_nest/eagle's%20nest07.jpg
Notice the date.
Here's two different sources:
http://www.cmorello.net/ct3/travel/bgl.html
"Also up there is a wooden cross, placed in 2003 to replace the
original one erected in 1951. I rather suspect the original was the
victim of Lightning or similar during the winter of 2002-2003. This is
one of my all time favorite of my pictures."
http://www.bensbauernhof.com/pstuyvsant2003tripreportchapter5.html
"What luck... There is a crew of workmen who are replacing the old
wooden cross that stood there since 1951, with a brand new one with the
year 2003 engraved. They are aligning it and are crawling all over with
drills and saws putting the finishing touches on. The last crowning
feat is to put the large Edelweiss ornament on top of the cross. We
promptly agree to return in another 50 years to see if they get the
same mileage out of this new one."
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN CROSS On His Private Estate |
26 Dec 2006 01:24:06 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
The Eagle's Nest served as Hitler's private mountain retreat during WW
II. A group of WWI veterans coined the term "Eagle's Nest." Otherwise
the name has always referred only to Hitler's tea house (teehaus).
The cross stands near the Kehlsteinhaus. For those who refuse to
accept Hitler's Christianity, this cross becomes a problem and begs
the question: Why would an anti or non-Christian allow such a symbol
on his private property? The answer, of course, lies with the fact
that Hitler was not against Christianity but rather for it. Although
he criticized political Catholicism, he wanted to unite all the German
Churches under one Reich Christian Church. Hitler stood for 'positive'
Christianity, a term that appeared in the Nazi Party program (their
version of a Constitution).
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
"Hitler.... criticized political Catholicism"
What is "political Catholicism"?
_Kulturkampf_ Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
"Hitler stood for 'positive' Christianity"
Goebbels, Joseph. 1982. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941_, translated
and edited by Fred Taylor (USA: Penguin Books), 490pp. On 76 and 77,
from the entry for 28 December 1939. Fuller text is at
http://forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=21672
The best way to deal with the churches is to claim to
be a 'positive Christian'.
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We come back to religious questions again. The
Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-
Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of
decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race.
This can be seen in the similarity of religious rites.
Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end,
they will be destroyed.
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the courts on the secular religion of secular humanism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127528146.999596.314660%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
eugenics in atheocratic North Korea
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143149976.129405.152870%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
become like famous mass-killer atheists, and have others worship you
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1152629227.581932.229990%40s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin quotes appropriate for neo-Nazi forums?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1159496920.958389.61540%40k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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04 Jan 2007 08:58:57 AM |
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John Vreeland wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 18:22:55 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
opined:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote in "Re: FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN
CROSS On His Private Estate":
On 26 Dec 2006 david ford:
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
That Christians like you hate Jews, and Christians like Hillary does
not.
Next.
Does Jimmy Carter "hate Jews"?
29 September 2006
Democrats and the anti-Semitism of Hugo Chavez
by Ed Lasky
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5900&search=chavez
Various Democrats have looked with favor upon the
anti-American Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez
over the years, his record of deepening anti-
Semitism notwithstanding. Ex-president Carter
helped him secure his position by certifying election
results that others have cast doubt upon.
Now there is a low blow. Anyone who thinks the election of Hugo
Chavez was technically legal (which includes all but a handful of
people, whether they wanted him to win or not) is therefore an
anti-Semite.
Who claims this?:
whoever "thinks the election of Hugo Chavez was
technically legal... is therefore an anti-Semite"
20 December 2006
Is Carter an anti-Semite?
by Shmuel Rosner
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=803755&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1
20 December 2006
An Open Letter to Jimmy Carter
by Glen Lewy and Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslME_62/4947_62.htm
Are you off your meds?
I never got on them. Which explains a lot.
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Hillary Clinton wears a cross and invokes "the Scripture" |
26 Dec 2006 04:53:09 PM |
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What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
Do you think Hillary cares what the Bible says when it comes to the
issue of:
medical personnel killing unwanted pre-born human life?
immigration?
Bernstein, Nina. 23 March 2006. "Mrs. Clinton Says GOP Immigration
Plan Is At Odds With The Bible" _The New York Times_. Cited in
http://newsbusters.org/node/4696
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible
yesterday to criticize a stringent border security
measure that, among other things, would make it a
federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.
"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership
that is constantly talking about values and about
faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of
legislation,'' she said of the measure, which was
passed by the House of Representatives in
December and mirrored a companion Senate bill
introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a
Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.
''It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding
of the Scripture because this bill would literally
criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even
Jesus himself,'' she said.
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a claim: Hitler was a Christian
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| User: "Luminoso" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton wears a cross and invokes "the Scripture" |
31 Dec 2006 08:59:26 PM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
Do you think Hillary cares what the Bible says when it comes to the
issue of:
medical personnel killing unwanted pre-born human life?
immigration?
Bernstein, Nina. 23 March 2006. "Mrs. Clinton Says GOP Immigration
Plan Is At Odds With The Bible" _The New York Times_. Cited in
http://newsbusters.org/node/4696
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible
yesterday to criticize a stringent border security
measure that, among other things, would make it a
federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.
"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership
that is constantly talking about values and about
faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of
legislation,'' she said of the measure, which was
passed by the House of Representatives in
December and mirrored a companion Senate bill
introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a
Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.
''It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding
of the Scripture because this bill would literally
criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even
Jesus himself,'' she said.
Well, turnabout is fair play, especially in politics. Since
she sees the Republican leadership lean so heavily on scriptural
references, sure of its own righteousness, why shouldn't she
point out instances of decidedly 'un-christian' attitudes
when they are evident ?
The 'christian' aspects of the GOP vary according to the subject
under discussion. Sometimes they're holier-than-thou ... abortions,
school prayer ... sometimes it's convenient for them to forget all
that stuff and just screw-over people and groups they dislike.
Politicians aren't theologians. Religion is a tool rather than a
calling. Clinton sought to make that clearer.
Of course her fellow 'liberals' can be equally inconsistent in
how they apply their own 'principles'. Racism is bad, unless it
serves a 'higher purpose' (which, sometimes, is simply annoying
the opposition party). A nanny-state is good, even if it crushes
many of those liberties they claim to embrace. The GOP is quick
enough to point out THOSE inconsistencies.
Seems both major parties are "imperfect". I suppose they could
throw out all of the humans and replace them with machines.
Yes, it is silly for a ranking representative of a political
party that works so hard to push every trace of religion from
public institutions to suddenly lean on the bible for support
against the opposition, but so what ? It's politics, she wants
to crap on the opposition so she can score points. Nothing new.
It doesn't have to be logical so long as it works.
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton wears a cross and invokes "the Scripture" |
01 Jan 2007 07:27:07 AM |
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AS RECORDED IN:
http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/clintcrimefamily.html
Co-President, Hillary Clinton
HILLARY CLINTON BECAME THE FIRST, FIRST LADY TO TESTIFY BEFORE A GRAND
JURY WHEN SHE WAS SUBPOENAED BY THE WHITEWATER GRAND JURY.
Took a $100,000 bribe, camouflaged as futures trades, from Tyson Foods
Inc.
· Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing
legislative reform of same.
· Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira Magaziner in
Health Care trial.
· Obstructed justice by ordering shredding of Vince Foster's
documents in the Rose Law Firm.
· Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred documents
that were the target
· of a court probe.
· Ordered the removal of documents from Vince Foster's office and
told aides to lie about
· their removal of documents.
· Obstructed justice by keeping her billing records, a document
sought under subpoena,
· in the White House residence.
· Lied to investigators about her knowledge about billing records.
· Lied to investigators about her involvement in the Castle Grande
land flip con.
· Ordered the use of the FBI to discredit Travel Office employees.
· Lied to investigators about her involvement in the firing of Travel
Office Employees.
· A Federal judge orders a trial on July 25, 1994 to determine if
Hillary Clinton's health care
· Task force illegally operated in secret.
· The White House finally releases more than 2,000 documents on June
25, 1996, relating to
· The travel office firings, originally requested two years prior by
congressional investigators.
·
· WHY IS HILLARY CLINTON NOT INCARCERATED?
·
SHE is a potential presidental candidate
"WHO IS THE REAL HILLARY CLINTON."
Dr.Oscar Bekoff, Ph.D., ( Behavioral Medicine ) e-mail -
doc@drselfhelp.com
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| User: "doc" |
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01 Jan 2007 05:07:39 PM |
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Hi. Hillary has never told a lie in her whole life so she says. Then
again to spin a bit she also states she doesn't always tell the truth.
Well how do you like that.
Dr Oscar Bekoff, Ph.D., Behavioral Medicine.
David ford wrote:
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
Do you think Hillary cares what the Bible says when it comes to the
issue of:
medical personnel killing unwanted pre-born human life?
immigration?
Bernstein, Nina. 23 March 2006. "Mrs. Clinton Says GOP Immigration
Plan Is At Odds With The Bible" _The New York Times_. Cited in
http://newsbusters.org/node/4696
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible
yesterday to criticize a stringent border security
measure that, among other things, would make it a
federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.
"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership
that is constantly talking about values and about
faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of
legislation,'' she said of the measure, which was
passed by the House of Representatives in
December and mirrored a companion Senate bill
introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a
Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.
''It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding
of the Scripture because this bill would literally
criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even
Jesus himself,'' she said.
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a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "bowman" |
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01 Jan 2007 06:53:24 PM |
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doc wrote:
Hi. Â Hillary has never told a lie in her whole life so she says. Then
again to spin a bit she also states she doesn't always tell the truth.
Well how do you like that.
Sounds like another politician who reportedly said "We are not winning the
war in Iraq ..... we are not losing the war in Iraq." It is good we have
such wise leaders to present us with logic puzzles and Zen koans.
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| User: "doc" |
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01 Jan 2007 05:08:43 PM |
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Hi. Hillary has never told a lie in her whole life so she says. Then
again to spin a bit she also states she doesn't always tell the truth.
Well how do you like that.
Dr Oscar Bekoff, Ph.D., Behavioral Medicine.
David ford wrote:
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
Do you think Hillary cares what the Bible says when it comes to the
issue of:
medical personnel killing unwanted pre-born human life?
immigration?
Bernstein, Nina. 23 March 2006. "Mrs. Clinton Says GOP Immigration
Plan Is At Odds With The Bible" _The New York Times_. Cited in
http://newsbusters.org/node/4696
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible
yesterday to criticize a stringent border security
measure that, among other things, would make it a
federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.
"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership
that is constantly talking about values and about
faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of
legislation,'' she said of the measure, which was
passed by the House of Representatives in
December and mirrored a companion Senate bill
introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a
Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.
''It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding
of the Scripture because this bill would literally
criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even
Jesus himself,'' she said.
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a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Ferrous Patella" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton wears a cross and invokes "the Scripture" |
26 Dec 2006 05:25:03 PM |
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news:dford3-1167173588.630512.136740@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com by david
ford:
medical personnel killing unwanted pre-born human life?
I thought the Bible says that God instills a soul after a body is
breathing.
Gen 2:7
--
"Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever."
Annual English Teachers' awards for best student
metaphors/analogies found in actual student papers
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Dec 2006 05:53:42 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:25:03 GMT, Ferrous Patella <mail125797@pop.net>
wrote:
news:dford3-1167173588.630512.136740@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com by david
ford:
medical personnel killing unwanted pre-born human life?
I thought the Bible says that God instills a soul after a body is
breathing.
And that abortion on demand of the husband is perfectly fine. Numbers
5.
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Hitler Erected a Large CHRISTIAN CROSS On His Private Estate |
26 Dec 2006 01:24:06 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
The Eagle's Nest served as Hitler's private mountain retreat during WW
II. A group of WWI veterans coined the term "Eagle's Nest." Otherwise
the name has always referred only to Hitler's tea house (teehaus).
The cross stands near the Kehlsteinhaus. For those who refuse to
accept Hitler's Christianity, this cross becomes a problem and begs
the question: Why would an anti or non-Christian allow such a symbol
on his private property? The answer, of course, lies with the fact
that Hitler was not against Christianity but rather for it. Although
he criticized political Catholicism, he wanted to unite all the German
Churches under one Reich Christian Church. Hitler stood for 'positive'
Christianity, a term that appeared in the Nazi Party program (their
version of a Constitution).
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a
cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
"Hitler.... criticized political Catholicism"
What is "political Catholicism"?
_Kulturkampf_ Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
"Hitler stood for 'positive' Christianity"
Goebbels, Joseph. 1982. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941_, translated
and edited by Fred Taylor (USA: Penguin Books), 490pp. On 76 and 77,
from the entry for 28 December 1939. Fuller text is at
http://forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=21672
The best way to deal with the churches is to claim to
be a 'positive Christian'.
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We come back to religious questions again. The
Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-
Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of
decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race.
This can be seen in the similarity of religious rites.
Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end,
they will be destroyed.
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the courts on the secular religion of secular humanism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127528146.999596.314660%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
eugenics in atheocratic North Korea
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143149976.129405.152870%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
become like famous mass-killer atheists, and have others worship you
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1152629227.581932.229990%40s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin quotes appropriate for neo-Nazi forums?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1159496920.958389.61540%40k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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27 Dec 2006 06:37:03 AM |
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ekrubmeg wrote:
I think the Right-To-Life forum is on another page.
Where's the Pro-Death Darwinists forum?
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any atheism-adherents against Terri Schindler Schiavo's being starved
to death?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3adrlvF69l60hU1%40individual.net
some findings re: Hitler, pro-death Darwinists
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1149886564.932994.211090%40f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
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Haeckel on murdering the disabled
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| User: "david ford" |
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28 Dec 2006 08:52:14 AM |
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keyboard wrote in 'Re: Hillary Clinton wears a cross and invokes "the
Scripture"':
david ford wrote:
What, if anything, do you conclude from Hillary Clinton's wearing a cross?
Hillary's cross to bear
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/her_cross_to_be_1.php
The Supreme Court has ruled to remove religious displays from public
property such as Hart County where the ten commandments were displayed
and removed.
The Supreme Court building has a display of Moses and the 10
Commandments.
Does anyone here want the Jew Moses and his 10 Commandments sandblasted
off the Supreme Court building?
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Ten Commandments of Moses in the U.S. Supreme Court
http://www.ten-commandments.us/ten_commandments/publicdisplay.html
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=2441
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=2664
Great news, neo-Nazis! Atheist Darby did well in Democrat primary!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149781602.435547.37860%40h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Perhaps Hilary's necklace should fall under this same
ruling. On the other hand, Hillory isn't public property unless you
consider a public offical to be public property.
HART COUNTY, S.C. -- A controversial issue topped the agenda again for
the Hart County Board of Commissioners.On Monday, the group explained
why it unanimously decided to remove a copy of the Ten Commandments
from the County Courthouse.Last Wednesday, the American Civil Liberties
Union sent a letter to the Hart County Board of Commissioners.
Ah, yes, the American Communist Leftist Union.
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ACLU on pro-Nazis among ruling coalition in Austria
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133908145.393904.317150%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
ACLU support of Nazis' right to march
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1129518918.436603.261970%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Nat Hentoff's "Lying about Terri Schiavo"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1129607287.267946.272510%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
ACLU requests jail for Tangipahoa school officials
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127745432.742149.20950%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
ACLU victory over Yeshiva University
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128529347.082645.193140%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Great news, neo-Nazis! Atheist Darby did well in Democrat primary!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149781602.435547.37860%40h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
"At the
time I was very stunned to get the letter so quick. We knew eventually
the letter would come," Hart County Commission Chairman R.C. Oglesby
said.The ACLU asked for the records from a meeting last fall where
commissioners voted to put the Ten Commandments up."The record clearly
states from the podium we do not want to water the display down with
other historical documents. That was a critical misstep," said Hart
County Attorney Walter Gordon.Gordon said the Hart County case is
similar to the Kentucky case the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against this
past spring.The High Court said displays can't promote religion."The
Supreme Court has spoken out against the display we have," Gordon
said.So the commissioners decided to avoid a costly legal battle that
the county would probably lose.drdach drdach drdach drdach
The commissioners also voted to continue with its tradition of public
prayer before meetings.
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