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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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26 Dec 2006 02:23:24 AM |
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FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2974 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
26 Dec 2006 10:04:46 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ntm1p2hl9144cqlq0chm6jmvff8qclojlo@4ax.com...
Keep it out of talk.origins you stupid *****.
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| User: "David Iain Greig" |
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26 Dec 2006 06:44:49 PM |
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Geoff <geoff@nospam.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ntm1p2hl9144cqlq0chm6jmvff8qclojlo@4ax.com...
Keep it out of talk.origins you stupid *****.
He just earned an entire newsgroup a time out.
***** 'em.
--D.
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| User: "David Iain Greig" |
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29 Dec 2006 07:45:35 AM |
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David Iain Greig <dgreig@ediacara.org> wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospam.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ntm1p2hl9144cqlq0chm6jmvff8qclojlo@4ax.com...
Keep it out of talk.origins you stupid *****.
He just earned an entire newsgroup a time out.
Fiat lux.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
26 Dec 2006 11:28:49 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:04:46 -0500, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ntm1p2hl9144cqlq0chm6jmvff8qclojlo@4ax.com...
Keep it out of talk.origins you stupid *****.
***** you.
Where's yoru selective outrage against David Ford, the Nazi Christian
who posted this ***** IN THE FIRST PLACE?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2974 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "David Iain Greig" |
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| Title: Re: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
26 Dec 2006 06:45:37 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:04:46 -0500, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ntm1p2hl9144cqlq0chm6jmvff8qclojlo@4ax.com...
Keep it out of talk.origins you stupid *****.
***** you.
Where's yoru selective outrage against David Ford, the Nazi Christian
who posted this ***** IN THE FIRST PLACE?
See, when he says *****, he just is saying *****.
When I say *****, you *****.
--D. 'so *****, now'
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david iain greig
moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~dgreig arbor plena alouattarum
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
26 Dec 2006 11:52:31 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:04:46 -0500, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ntm1p2hl9144cqlq0chm6jmvff8qclojlo@4ax.com...
Keep it out of talk.origins you stupid *****.
***** you.
Where's yoru selective outrage against David Ford, the Nazi Christian
who posted this ***** IN THE FIRST PLACE?
What "*****," specifically?
Perhaps I can provide some supporting references in support of what you
consider "*****."
"Nazi Christian"
Bormann, Martin. 1942. "National Socialist and Christian Concepts are
Incompatible" in
Mosse, George L. 1966. _Nazi Culture: Intellectual, Cultural, and
Social Life in the Third Reich_ (NY: Grosset & Dunlap), 386pp.,
244-247. Some text also at
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/19/131818/824
On 244:
National Socialist and Christian concepts are
incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon
the ignorance of men and strive to keep large
portions of the people in ignorance because only in
this way can the Christian Churches maintain their
power. On the other hand, National Socialism is
based on scientific foundations.
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freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
lesbian-activity-engagers torturing; atheism-adherent Bormann
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1152843302.350822.316080%40m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com
applauding those who kill sub-person human embryos
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1153489662.014861.278290%40m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com
Lifton speaking of Himmler, in
ethics of concentration camp societies
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143041542.477944.172610%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
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| User: "justme" |
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| Title: Re: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
26 Dec 2006 11:08:20 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:04:46 -0500, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ntm1p2hl9144cqlq0chm6jmvff8qclojlo@4ax.com...
Keep it out of talk.origins you stupid *****.
***** you.
Where's yoru selective outrage against David Ford, the Nazi Christian
who posted this ***** IN THE FIRST PLACE?
What "*****," specifically?
Perhaps I can provide some supporting references in support of what you
consider "*****."
"Nazi Christian"
Bormann, Martin. 1942. "National Socialist and Christian Concepts are
Incompatible" in
Mosse, George L. 1966. _Nazi Culture: Intellectual, Cultural, and
Social Life in the Third Reich_ (NY: Grosset & Dunlap), 386pp.,
244-247. Some text also at
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/19/131818/824
On 244:
National Socialist and Christian concepts are
incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon
the ignorance of men and strive to keep large
portions of the people in ignorance because only in
this way can the Christian Churches maintain their
power. On the other hand, National Socialism is
based on scientific foundations.
If this has been posted on talk.origins then it does not belong there.
And that was the point.
As for the Bormann quote it does not mean much. The idea that "National
Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible" was obviously not for
public consumption. It was (according to the link) a memo to the
gauleiters - the top regional Nazi leaders numbering several dozen. For
the majority of German Christians the concepts were quite compatible.
And this is what really matters.
<self references snipped>
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| User: "Marc" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: crossposting is very stupid |
26 Dec 2006 06:06:45 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating
crossposting is very very stupid - please stop doing this
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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26 Dec 2006 09:15:43 AM |
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"Marc" <marcbuhler@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:1167134805.564885.209430@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating
crossposting is very very stupid - please stop doing this
How ironic.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
26 Dec 2006 11:30:49 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler lied to Stalin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d8l4ja02lio%40drn.newsguy.com
25 December 1938 Klemperer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134184020.915479.145130%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Yesterday for the first time in the Third Reich the Thought
for Christmas in the newspaper was completely
dechristianized. Greater German Christmas-- the rebirth
of light of the German soul, signifying the resurrection of
the German Reich. The Jew Jesus and everything
relating to the spirit and humanity in general excluded. It
has undoubtedly been ordered for _all_ newspapers.
21 December 1939 Goebbels
Goebbels, Joseph. 1982. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941_, translated
and edited by Fred Taylor (USA: Penguin Books), 490pp. On 71:
The Christmas spirit must not be allowed to go too
far. I give appropriate instructions to the press. The
Fuhrer has gone off to Munich.
Merry winter solstice!
Svoray, Yaron and Nick Taylor. 1994. _In Hitler's Shadow: An
Israeli's Journey Inside Germany's Neo-Nazi Movement_, introduction by
Simon Wiesenthal (NY: Nan A. Talese, Doubleday), 275pp. About the
book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0094741700/qid=1133876571/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/102-9159734-8906554?
In the photo section, there's a picture of a boy/ young man, with the
caption reading:
Young neo-Nazi at the Mullers' Winter Solstice
celebration.
freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
26 Dec 2006 11:40:01 AM |
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On 26 Dec 2006 09:30:49 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy. Let me guess, in
your world, Stalin wasn't a "true Commuist" and Bin Laden wasn't a
"true Muslim".
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2974 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
29 Dec 2006 05:18:42 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 07:24:23 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 26 Dec 2006 09:30:49 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
Oh look, another attempt at evasion.
I'll re-ask the question you're attempting to evade:
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-True Scotsman
I'll reiterate why you are so dishonest. Exactly which religion
invented anti-semitism in Europe?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_antisemitism
'Jewishness' was biologized in large part thanks to Darwin.
Hence, my answer to your question is:
anti-biologizedJewishness was "invented" by Darwinists, or, if you
prefer, Darwinianity-adherents.
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Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwinianity-popularizer Bolsche in _Mein Kampf_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143260442.793652.326240%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
Luther's and Hitler's antis- were very different
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149000825.650983.94540%40j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
26 Dec 2006 11:30:49 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler lied to Stalin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d8l4ja02lio%40drn.newsguy.com
25 December 1938 Klemperer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134184020.915479.145130%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Yesterday for the first time in the Third Reich the Thought
for Christmas in the newspaper was completely
dechristianized. Greater German Christmas-- the rebirth
of light of the German soul, signifying the resurrection of
the German Reich. The Jew Jesus and everything
relating to the spirit and humanity in general excluded. It
has undoubtedly been ordered for _all_ newspapers.
21 December 1939 Goebbels
Goebbels, Joseph. 1982. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941_, translated
and edited by Fred Taylor (USA: Penguin Books), 490pp. On 71:
The Christmas spirit must not be allowed to go too
far. I give appropriate instructions to the press. The
Fuhrer has gone off to Munich.
Merry winter solstice!
Svoray, Yaron and Nick Taylor. 1994. _In Hitler's Shadow: An
Israeli's Journey Inside Germany's Neo-Nazi Movement_, introduction by
Simon Wiesenthal (NY: Nan A. Talese, Doubleday), 275pp. About the
book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0094741700/qid=1133876571/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/102-9159734-8906554?
In the photo section, there's a picture of a boy/ young man, with the
caption reading:
Young neo-Nazi at the Mullers' Winter Solstice
celebration.
freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
28 Dec 2006 09:24:23 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 26 Dec 2006 09:30:49 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
Oh look, another attempt at evasion.
I'll re-ask the question you're attempting to evade:
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
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January 1938
Klemperer, Victor. 1998. _I Will Bear Witness: A Diary of the Nazi
Years: 1933-1941_, translated by Martin Chalmers (NY: Random House),
519pp. This was first published in Germany in 1995. About the book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375753788/qid=1130514028/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-8454961-6898342?
On 249, from the entry for 31 January 1938:
....the sudden exclusion of non-Aryan doctors from the
private insurance schemes. Apart from that in recent
weeks anti-Semitism has once again been very much in
the foreground (it rotates: now the Jews, now the
Catholics, now the Protestant ministers).
2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler lied to Stalin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d8l4ja02lio%40drn.newsguy.com
Let me guess, in
your world, Stalin wasn't a "true Commuist" and Bin Laden wasn't a
"true Muslim".
Stalin wasn't a *true* socialist.
Bin Laden isn't a *true* Wahabi Muslim.
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who is a "socialist"?; some atheism-adherents' development and use of
brutal terror tactics
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128703737.434501.234400%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
factoids on atheism-adherent Stalin's 1937-8 Great Terror
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1166240537.094725.53530%40l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com
Marxist-Leninist atheism-adherents responsible for the killing of 94+
million
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167099703.362978.48000%40i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Popper and a big, intrusive, freedom-depriving socialist government
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133792751.399449.271580%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
29 Dec 2006 04:45:50 PM |
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On 28 Dec 2006 07:24:23 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 26 Dec 2006 09:30:49 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
Oh look, another attempt at evasion.
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
I'll re-ask the question you're attempting to evade:
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
I'll re-ask you the same question again. Was Stalin a "true
communist?" Or are you just engaging in yet another bout of dishonest
no-true-scotsman fallacy?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2990 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
29 Dec 2006 09:33:56 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 07:24:23 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 26 Dec 2006 09:30:49 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
Oh look, another attempt at evasion.
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
I'll re-ask the question you're attempting to evade:
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
I'll re-ask you the same question again. Was Stalin a "true
communist?"
Yes.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Or are you just engaging in yet another bout of dishonest
no-true-scotsman fallacy?
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
_Kulturkampf_ Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler lied to Stalin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d8l4ja02lio%40drn.newsguy.com
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
29 Dec 2006 10:25:10 PM |
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On 29 Dec 2006 19:33:56 -0800, wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 07:24:23 -0800, "david ford" < >
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 26 Dec 2006 09:30:49 -0800, "david ford" < >
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
Oh look, another attempt at evasion.
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
I'll re-ask the question you're attempting to evade:
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
I'll re-ask you the same question again. Was Stalin a "true
communist?"
Yes.
Just as Hitler is a "true Christian" by your own logic.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
As far as you know, did STALIN ever engage in attempts at deception
for public consumption?
Besides, we know you are dishonest, but we still consider you a
Christian.
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
02 Jan 2007 09:06:37 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 29 Dec 2006 19:33:56 -0800, wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 07:24:23 -0800, "david ford" < >
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 26 Dec 2006 09:30:49 -0800, "david ford" < >
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
Oh look, another attempt at evasion.
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
I'll re-ask the question you're attempting to evade:
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
I'll re-ask you the same question again. Was Stalin a "true
communist?"
Yes.
Just as Hitler is a "true Christian" by your own logic.
Do you consider "Hitler... a 'true Christian'"?
Do you consider the ex-Catholic Paul Joseph Goebbels a 'true
Christian'"?
Do you consider the ex-Catholic Himmler a 'true Christian'"?
Do you consider Stalin an atheist?
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1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1145975885.494352.40950%40g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Lifton speaking of Himmler, in
ethics of concentration camp societies
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143041542.477944.172610%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Himmler block quote in:
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
factoids on atheism-adherent Stalin's 1937-8 Great Terror
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1166240537.094725.53530%40l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
As far as you know, did STALIN ever engage in attempts at deception
for public consumption?
Yes. The Stalin-directed show trials were loaded with attempts at
deception for public consumption.
Besides, we know you are dishonest, but we still consider you a
Christian.
Does "we" consider Hitler "a Christian"?
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a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Venceremos" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
02 Jan 2007 10:11:48 AM |
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"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
02 Jan 2007 01:29:42 PM |
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Venceremos wrote:
"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
And lost.
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| User: "Luminoso" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
02 Jan 2007 04:12:26 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:29:42 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Venceremos wrote:
"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
And lost.
Barely.
If they'd shot Hitler before he opened the eastern
front (and blamed it on 'Jews' or Brits or whomever)
they could have taken all of europe and the Americas
(S.America anyway). They were super-organized,
determined, ruthless and were years ahead of anyone
else technologically. The Russians, they could have
got back to them later.
Anyway, why is it any suprise that the NAZIs would
make use of religion ? All leaders do it, it's part
of their leverage over the population. Be it ancient
Babylon or Egypt or the Aztec empire, the king would
drag out the priests on important occasions and get
them to explain how the gods bless their great state
and people and damn their unholy enemies.
Just another wrench in the political toolkit.
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| User: "Al Nakba" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
02 Jan 2007 08:40:38 PM |
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A lot of "if onlys". They lost, and the old Nazi rich is gone. Today
the threat is the Islamic Reich; the armies of asslifters..
Luminoso wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:29:42 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Venceremos wrote:
"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
And lost.
Barely.
If they'd shot Hitler before he opened the eastern
front (and blamed it on 'Jews' or Brits or whomever)
they could have taken all of europe and the Americas
(S.America anyway). They were super-organized,
determined, ruthless and were years ahead of anyone
else technologically. The Russians, they could have
got back to them later.
Anyway, why is it any suprise that the NAZIs would
make use of religion ? All leaders do it, it's part
of their leverage over the population. Be it ancient
Babylon or Egypt or the Aztec empire, the king would
drag out the priests on important occasions and get
them to explain how the gods bless their great state
and people and damn their unholy enemies.
Just another wrench in the political toolkit.
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| User: "Luminoso" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
03 Jan 2007 12:27:02 PM |
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On 2 Jan 2007 18:40:38 -0800, "Al Nakba"
<williamhubbard@bluebottle.com> wrote:
A lot of "if onlys". They lost, and the old Nazi rich is gone. Today
the threat is the Islamic Reich; the armies of asslifters..
Fortunately THEY aren't very organized, unified or
have anything resembling technological superiority.
They DO have determination and a sense of moral superiority
however ... things which should never be underrated.
They're also smart enough to compensate for their
shortcomings by using guerilla tactics, terrorism
and economic sabotage.
The last one is the most worrisome, economic sabotage.
1st-world countries are 1st-world because of their
spendid organization and connectedness. This makes
them extremely efficient. The downside is that they
depend on all this organization and will grind to a
rapid halt if the wrong things happen. We have weak
points that can be exploited by low-tech foes. The
destruction of the WTC buildings alone, and all of
the critical business centers they contained, sent
a 500-billion-dollar 'ripple' across the world.
We are vulnerable on energy, transportation, food and
communications. Osama knows this. Pressure at just
the right points ... it's like when one transformer
blew in the northeasts electric grid a couple of
years ago and caused a five day blackout over a
quarter of the country.
Luminoso wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:29:42 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Venceremos wrote:
"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
And lost.
Barely.
If they'd shot Hitler before he opened the eastern
front (and blamed it on 'Jews' or Brits or whomever)
they could have taken all of europe and the Americas
(S.America anyway). They were super-organized,
determined, ruthless and were years ahead of anyone
else technologically. The Russians, they could have
got back to them later.
Anyway, why is it any suprise that the NAZIs would
make use of religion ? All leaders do it, it's part
of their leverage over the population. Be it ancient
Babylon or Egypt or the Aztec empire, the king would
drag out the priests on important occasions and get
them to explain how the gods bless their great state
and people and damn their unholy enemies.
Just another wrench in the political toolkit.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
02 Jan 2007 05:33:10 PM |
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cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Venceremos wrote:
"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
And lost.
No, there are plenty of neo-Nazi white supremacists still around
here in Southern California. They call themselves "Minutemen" and
"Save Our State" as well as "National Alliance" / "National Vanguard"
and other names, but they're still fighting against humanity.
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Yes, Bush _IS_ a Christian. It's time you got over it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
02 Jan 2007 08:08:00 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Venceremos wrote:
"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
And lost.
No, there are plenty of neo-Nazi white supremacists still around
here in Southern California. They call themselves "Minutemen" and
"Save Our State" as well as "National Alliance" / "National Vanguard"
and other names, but they're still fighting against humanity.
Are there any atheist "neo-Nazi white supremacists"?
Are there any atheist "neo-Nazi white supremacists"
that "call themselves" Democrats?
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Great news, neo-Nazis! Atheist Darby did well in Democrat primary!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149781602.435547.37860%40h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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Yes, Bush _IS_ a Christian. It's time you got over it.
What is "a Christian"?
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| User: "bowman" |
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| Title: Re: FACT: Nazis CELEBRATED Christmas |
02 Jan 2007 08:23:56 PM |
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wrote:
Yes, Bush IS a Christian. Â It's time you got over it.
What is "a Christian"?
'No true Scotsman' argument #49561 to follow...
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| User: "" |
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03 Jan 2007 07:00:09 AM |
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bowman wrote:
dford3@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Yes, Bush IS a Christian. It's time you got over it.
What is "a Christian"?
'No true Scotsman' argument #49561 to follow...
What is the 'No true Scotsman' argument?
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eugenics in atheocratic North Korea
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143149976.129405.152870%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Another line of evidence that Hitler believed in atheism comes from his
actions.
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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02 Jan 2007 01:57:36 PM |
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cactus wrote:
Venceremos wrote:
"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
And lost.
Allah is Sunny or Shiite? Religion is the loser and
believers always wind up in the 'Southland'.
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| User: "" |
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02 Jan 2007 08:03:44 PM |
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Venceremos wrote:
"Got mit uns,Deutchland uber alles"
was the motto under which German Nationalists fought!
Meaning of "Got"?
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Hitler and an an Ethical Culture i.e. atheist individual on 'God'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stephen, Leslie. "Pantheism and Agnosticism" in
Darrow, Clarence and Wallace Rice. 1929. _Infidels and Heretics: An
Agnostic's Anthology_ (Boston, MA: The Stratford Company, Publishers),
293pp., 34. On 34:
We no longer doubt, it is true, whether there be a
God, for our God means all reality.... We keep the
old word [i.e. 'God']; we have altered the whole of its
contents.
1860 atheism-adherent Huxley:
"the Almighty...him" = "Nature....she";
"Divine Government";
"deep sense of religion...compatible with the entire absence of
theology"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141353908.308726.161380%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143171898.121370.76730%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
Thyssen, Fritz. 1941. _I Paid Hitler_ (London: Hodder and Stoughton,
Ltd.), 319pp. Translated from the original French by Cesar
Saerchinger. On 234:
Practically all the young people forming part of
the SS have abjured Christianity. The same
applies to chiefs of the young Hitlerite
detachments. Many are followers of the new
German paganism and hold rituals in honour of
Wotan, the Sun, or Nature, the mother of all life,
if they do not formally worship Hitler.
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
become like famous mass-killer atheists, and have others worship you
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1152629227.581932.229990%40s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Satan's expulsion from heaven; worship of one's self
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1155401734.714656.220870%40m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com
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05 Jan 2007 10:42:20 AM |
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DNA is approximately identical.
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wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 29 Dec 2006 19:33:56 -0800, wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 07:24:23 -0800, "david ford" < >
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On 26 Dec 2006 09:30:49 -0800, "david ford" < >
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Celebrating the birth of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Killing Jews in
his honor. Now what could be more Christian?
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/uah/uah14.htm
This is the truth: Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his
guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas
trees.
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
Oh look, another attempt at evasion.
Oh look, another dishonest no-true Scotsman fallacy.
I'll re-ask the question you're attempting to evade:
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
I'll re-ask you the same question again. Was Stalin a "true
communist?"
Yes.
Just as Hitler is a "true Christian" by your own logic.
Do you consider "Hitler... a 'true Christian'"?
Do you consider the ex-Catholic Paul Joseph Goebbels a 'true
Christian'"?
Do you consider the ex-Catholic Himmler a 'true Christian'"?
Do you consider Stalin an atheist?
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1145975885.494352.40950%40g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Lifton speaking of Himmler, in
ethics of concentration camp societies
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143041542.477944.172610%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Himmler block quote in:
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
factoids on atheism-adherent Stalin's 1937-8 Great Terror
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1166240537.094725.53530%40l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com
As far as you know, did Hitler ever engage in attempts at deception for
public consumption?
As far as you know, did STALIN ever engage in attempts at deception
for public consumption?
Yes. The Stalin-directed show trials were loaded with attempts at
deception for public consumption.
Besides, we know you are dishonest, but we still consider you a
Christian.
Does "we" consider Hitler "a Christian"?
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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