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"Bill" |
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28 Apr 2006 07:21:30 PM |
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FACTS THAT REFUTE GODS |
There are some very simple facts and challenges that refute the
existence of any real
Gods.
Although there are thousands of different religions and religious
beliefs, god beliefs
and documents, NO god has ever demonstrated or proven the
authenticity of ANY
of them. Only errant self interested men have claimed the
authenticity of 'their'god.
All of these many ancient documents were written by fallible men with
their own
selfish motivations.
Why would not a real god announce directly and authoritatively from
his heaven,
that he is the real god and what documents are authentic and which
are fakes and
destroy them? He certainly should want to prevent his creations from
being.
deceived and mislead
Although billions of people have died there is not a single
'authenticated and proven'
case where anyone of them has ever communicated with their living
children,
spouses or friends.
Why would god not allow these souls in his heaven to explain and
confirm the
virtues, benefits and even the existence of his heaven? Logic says it
is because they
don't exist!
If there is a 'real god creator' why did he create a world that so punishes
his creations
with,000 punishing and frequently fatal diseases, Hurricanes, Tsunamis,
Earth
quakes, Volcanic destruction, Blizzards, Tornados, and Wars etc.? Why does
he
permit these things to punish, maim and kill perfectly INNOCENT CHILDREN???
Why does he cause people to suffer the many diseases and infirmities of old
age?
What is the logic of putting men, women and totally innocent children
through the
tortures of life on earth and then provide them with an eternal, pleasant
and
happy life in his heaven? Why did he not skip the unfair punishment of life
on
earth and just let his creature enjoy his wonderful heaven?
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: FACTS THAT REFUTE GODS |
30 Apr 2006 01:50:00 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:21:30 -0400, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There are some very simple facts and challenges that refute the
existence of any real
Really, let's see what you got.
Gods.
Although there are thousands of different religions and religious
beliefs, god beliefs
and documents, NO god has ever demonstrated or proven the
authenticity of ANY
of them. Only errant self interested men have claimed the
authenticity of 'their'god.
But why would that prove that God isn't watching?
All of these many ancient documents were written by fallible men with
their own
selfish motivations.
My God rose from the dead and walked out of his tomb.
Why would not a real god announce directly and authoritatively from
his heaven,
that he is the real god and what documents are authentic and which
are fakes and
destroy them? He certainly should want to prevent his creations from
being.
deceived and mislead
He wants us to see the obvious. So we do.
Although billions of people have died there is not a single
'authenticated and proven'
case where anyone of them has ever communicated with their living
children,
spouses or friends.
And this proves exactly...........................what?
Why would god not allow these souls in his heaven to explain and
confirm the
virtues, benefits and even the existence of his heaven? Logic says it
is because they
don't exist!
He wants our choice.
If there is a 'real god creator' why did he create a world that so punishes
his creations
with,000 punishing and frequently fatal diseases, Hurricanes, Tsunamis,
Earth
quakes, Volcanic destruction, Blizzards, Tornados, and Wars etc.? Why does
he
permit these things to punish, maim and kill perfectly INNOCENT CHILDREN???
Why does he cause people to suffer the many diseases and infirmities of old
age?
Mankind did that when he sinned. Now God calls for our choice
What is the logic of putting men, women and totally innocent children
through the
tortures of life on earth and then provide them with an eternal, pleasant
and
happy life in his heaven? Why did he not skip the unfair punishment of life
on
earth and just let his creature enjoy his wonderful heaven?
The very first man told him "no, we'll decide". And now he still wants our
decision. That's pretty simple, bill.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods.
The objective evidence is that God can't be proved.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "John Rambo" |
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| Title: Re: FACTS THAT REFUTE GODS |
01 May 2006 06:27:45 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vc1a52h46l7g2qjcj39qfnkpq19e9l31no@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:21:30 -0400, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There are some very simple facts and challenges that refute the
existence of any real
Really, let's see what you got.
Gods.
Although there are thousands of different religions and religious
beliefs, god beliefs
and documents, NO god has ever demonstrated or proven the
authenticity of ANY
of them. Only errant self interested men have claimed the
authenticity of 'their'god.
But why would that prove that God isn't watching?
All of these many ancient documents were written by fallible men
with
their own
selfish motivations.
My God rose from the dead and walked out of his tomb.
and you know that because ... ???
<snip>
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: FACTS THAT REFUTE GODS |
01 May 2006 08:42:31 PM |
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Reply to article by: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date written: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:50:00 -0500
MsgID:<vc1a52h46l7g2qjcj39qfnkpq19e9l31no@4ax.com>
There are some very simple facts and challenges that refute the
existence of any real
Really, let's see what you got.
Gods.
Although there are thousands of different religions and religious beliefs, god
beliefs and documents, NO god has ever demonstrated or proven the authenticity
of ANY of them. Only errant self interested men have claimed the authenticity of
'their'god.
But why would that prove that God isn't watching?
It proves that only errant self interested men have claimed the authenticity of
'their'god.
All of these many ancient documents were written by fallible men with
their own selfish motivations.
My God rose from the dead and walked out of his tomb.
I will call your blind faith bluff: show me.
PS -- If you want to tell me to view the empty grave, I have already and it is
empty because there never was anything in it to begin with.
Why would not a real god announce directly and authoritatively from his heaven,
that he is the real god and what documents are authentic and which are fakes and
destroy them? He certainly should want to prevent his creations from being.
deceived and mislead
He wants us to see the obvious. So we do.
That's what they all say but it is all talk and no action.
Although billions of people have died there is not a single 'authenticated and
proven' case where anyone of them has ever communicated with their living
children, spouses or friends.
And this proves exactly...........................what?
That once you die, no one ever comes back...not even your make believe Jesus
could do that.
Why would god not allow these souls in his heaven to explain and confirm the
virtues, benefits and even the existence of his heaven? Logic says it is because
they don't exist!
He wants our choice.
Heaven and Hell are not a choice but an ultimatum of a tyrant.
If there is a 'real god creator' why did he create a world that so punishes his
creations with, punishing and frequently fatal diseases, Hurricanes, Tsunamis,
Earth quakes, Volcanic destruction, Blizzards, Tornados, and Wars etc.? Why does
he permit these things to punish, maim and kill perfectly INNOCENT CHILDREN???
Why does he cause people to suffer the many diseases and infirmities of old age?
Mankind did that when he sinned. Now God calls for our choice
The punishment does not fit the crime.
It is completely unjust for everyone to suffer because of the crime of what just
one man did 6000 years ago.
What God is doing is called "child abuse" in civilized cultures.
The fact that God won't show his face makes God a deadbeat Father.
What is the logic of putting men, women and totally innocent children through the
tortures of life on earth and then provide them with an eternal, pleasant and
happy life in his heaven? Why did he not skip the unfair punishment of life on
earth and just let his creature enjoy his wonderful heaven?
The very first man told him "no, we'll decide". And now he still wants our
decision. That's pretty simple, bill.
It is also sick and twisted since what God is doing is the equivalent of putting
a cocked and loaded gun to someone's head and telling them, "I'm a very kind and
loving person. Leave your family and come live with me forever or I will blow
your brains out. What choice will it be punk?".
Oh, and have a nice day in Jesus now!
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods.
The objective evidence is that God can't be proved.
Neither can make believe invisible pink elephants.
The Sage
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"Little minds are interested in the extraordinary; great
minds in the commonplace"
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: FACTS THAT REFUTE GODS |
29 Apr 2006 02:55:21 PM |
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There is an easy way to understand how god is a human invention.
..
In general, all religions tell us that a god communicated with some
people, sometimes called prophets or other, to tell us how to behave
and to give us some commandements and rules.
Well, if there were an unique god with intentions of communicate with
us, humankind, there would not be so many different religions. If this
god were also willing to communicate with us there would not be any
contrivance for him. So, all those preachers crying and speeching
different theologies, spreading hate for sinners and rival religious
groups, are the main prove that god does not exist. In case that any
god would exist, he have not ever communicated with us in any way and
had not any willingness to do that.
And that is coherent with the reality as we can observe it.
Leopoldo
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| User: "John Rambo" |
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| Title: Re: FACTS THAT REFUTE GODS |
30 Apr 2006 05:51:39 AM |
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"leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146340521.113416.147410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
There is an easy way to understand how god is a human invention.
.
In general, all religions tell us that a god communicated with some
people, sometimes called prophets or other, to tell us how to behave
and to give us some commandements and rules.
Well, if there were an unique god with intentions of communicate with
us, humankind, there would not be so many different religions. If this
god were also willing to communicate with us there would not be any
contrivance for him. So, all those preachers crying and speeching
different theologies, spreading hate for sinners and rival religious
groups, are the main prove that god does not exist. In case that any
god would exist, he have not ever communicated with us in any way and
had not any willingness to do that.
And that is coherent with the reality as we can observe it.
Leopoldo
Absolutely spot on. This is another aspect to the absurdity of most (all ?)
religions which I had not thought of.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: FACTS THAT REFUTE GODS |
01 May 2006 06:57:52 AM |
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On 29 Apr 2006 12:55:21 -0700, "leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote:
There is an easy way to understand how god is a human invention.
.
In general, all religions tell us that a god communicated with some
people, sometimes called prophets or other, to tell us how to behave
and to give us some commandements and rules.
Well, if there were an unique god with intentions of communicate with
us, humankind, there would not be so many different religions. If this
god were also willing to communicate with us there would not be any
contrivance for him. So, all those preachers crying and speeching
different theologies, spreading hate for sinners and rival religious
groups, are the main prove that god does not exist. In case that any
god would exist, he have not ever communicated with us in any way and
had not any willingness to do that.
And that is coherent with the reality as we can observe it.
Leopoldo
If there was a supreme being that made its presence known there would be no
atheists. And a hypothetical silent supreme being would be most proud of
atheists for not being suckered into false beliefs.
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