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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "david ford"
Date: 25 Mar 2005 09:19:13 PM
Object: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition
The affidavit extracts below demonstrate the falsity of the old media's
erroneous allegation that 'no one is home' in Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Also, Terri can anticipate and feel pain.
A U.S. judiciary run amok and a shameless American Criminal Liberties
Union are intent on murdering via starvation an innocent/ guiltless and
defenseless woman.
Decency demands that this unjustified, court-imposed death sentence on
Terri Schindler Schiavo be stopped.
What, if anything, will you do to help Terri and stop a judiciary and
ACLU run amok?
action items to help Terri
http://www.terrisfight.org/actionitems.html
From
http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schindler-schiavo-docs-links-page.html
from the PDF "Affidavit of William Cheshire, Jr., MD 03-23-05":
AFFIDAVIT
STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF DUVALL
Before me this day personally appeared William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D.,
who, being duly sworn, deposes and says:
I, William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D., have personal knowledge of the
facts stated in this declaration and, if called as a witness, I could
and would testify competently thereto under oath. I declare as follows:
I am a neurologist practicing in the State of Florida and am certified
by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. In regard to my
educational background, I received an A.B. in biochemical sciences from
Princeton University, an M.A. in bioethics from Trinity International
University, and an M.D. from West Virginia University. I completed an
internship in internal medicine at West Virginia University, a residency
in neurology and a pain fellowship at the University of North Carolina.
I am also an appointed volunteer with the Florida Statewide Adult
Protective Services team, in which capacity I was called on March 1,
2005, to provide an independent and objective medical review of
allegations of possible abuse, neglect, or exploitation of Ms. Theresa
Marie Schiavo.
Although no one from the Department of Children and Families has
inquired about my personal views about treatment decisions in cases of
persistent vegetative state (PVS), I would like to disclose that I came
into this case with the belief that it can be ethically permissible to
discontinue artificially provided nutrition and hydration for patients
in a persistent vegetative state. Having now reviewed the relevant
facts, having met and observed Ms. Schiavo in person, and having
reflected deeply on the moral and ethical issues, I would like to
explain why I change my mind in regard to this particular case.
.....
Based on my review of extensive medical records documenting Terri's care
over the years, on my personal observation of Terri, and on my
observations of Terri's responses in the many hours of videotapes taken
in 2002, she demonstrates a number of behaviors I believe cast a
reasonable doubt on the prior diagnosis of PVS. These include:
1. Her behavior is frequently context-specific. For example, her
facial expression brightens and she smiles in response to the voice of
familiar persons such as her parents or her nurse. Her agitation
subsides and her facial demeanor softens when quiet music is played.
When jubilant piano music is played, her face brightens, she lifts her
eyebrows, smiles, and even laughs. Her lateral gaze toward the tape
player is sustained for many minutes. Several times I witnessed Terri
briefly, albeit inconsistently, laugh in response to a humorous comment
someone in the room had made. I did not see her laugh in the absence of
someone else's laughter.
2. Although she does not seem to track or follow visual objects
consistently or for long periods of time, she does fixate her gaze on
colorful objects or human faces for some 15 seconds at a time and
occasionally follows with her eyes at least briefly as these objects
move from side to side. When I first walked into her room, she
immediately turned her head toward me and looked directly at my face.
There was a lot of curiosity or expectation in her expression, and she
maintained eye contact for about half a minute. Later, when she again
looked at me, she brought her lips together as if to pronounce the
letter "O," and although for a moment it appeared that she might be
making an intentional effort to speak, her face then fell blank, and no
words came out.
3. Although I did not hear Terri utter distinct words, she demonstrates
emotional expressivity by her use of a single syllable of vocalizations
such as "ah," making cooing sounds, or by expressing guttural sounds of
annoyance or moaning appropriate to the context of the situation. The
context-specific range and the variability of her vocalizations suggests
at least a reasonable probability of the processing of emotional thought
within her brain. There have been reports of Terri rarely using actual
words specific to her situational context. The July 25, 2003 affidavit
of the speech pathologist Sarah Green Mole, MS, on page 6, reads, "The
records of Mediplex reflect the fact that she has said 'stop' in
apparent response to a medical procedure being done to her." The Adult
Protective Services team has been unable to retrieve those original
medical records in this instance.
4. Although Terri has not consistently followed commands, there
appeared to be some notable exceptions. In the taped examination by Dr.
Hammesfahr from 2002, when asked to close her eyes she began to blink
repeatedly. Although it was unclear whether she squeezed her grip when
asked, she did appear to raise her right leg four times in succession
each time she was asked to do so. Rehabilitation notes from 1991
indicated that she tracked inconsistently, and although she did not
develop a yes/no communication system, did follow some commands
inconsistently and demonstrated good eye contact to family members.
5. There is a remarkable moment in the videotape of the September 3,
2002 examination by Dr. Hammesfahr that seemed to go unnoticed at the
time. At 2:44 p.m., Dr. Hammesfahr had just turned Terri onto her right
side to examine her back with a painful sharp stimulus (a sharp piece of
wood), to which Terri had responded with signs of discomfort. Well
after he ceased applying the stimulus and had returned Terri to a
comfortable position, he says to her parents, "So, we're going to have
to roll her over...." Immediately Terri cries. She vocalizes a crying
sound, "Ugh, ha, ha, ha," presses her eyebrows together, and sadly
grimaces. It is important to note that, at that moment, no one is
touching Terri or causing actual pain. Rather, she appears to
comprehend the meaning of Dr. Hammesfahr's comment and she signals her
_anticipation_ of pain. This response suggests some degree of language
processing and interpretation at the level of the cerebral cortex. It
also suggests that she may be aware of pain beyond what could be
explained by simple reflex withdrawal.
6. According to the definition of PVS published by the American Academy
of Neurology, "persistent vegetative state patients do not have the
capacity to experience pain or suffering. Pain and suffering are
attributes of consciousness requiring cerebral cortical functioning, and
patients who are permanently and completely unconscious cannot
experience these symptoms."^6 And yet, in my review of Terri's medical
records, pain issues keep surfacing. The nurses at Woodside Hospice
told us that she often has pain with menstrual cramps. Menstrual flow
is associated with agitation, repeated or sustained moaning, facial
grimacing, limb posturing, and facial flushing, all of which subside
once she is given ibuprofen. Some of the records document moaning,
crying, and other painful behavior in the setting of urinary tract
infections.
.....
7. To enter the room of Terri Schiavo is nothing like entering the room
of a patient who is comatose or brain-dead or in some neurological sense
no longer there. Although Terri did not demonstrate during our 90
minute visit compelling evidence of verbalization, conscious awareness,
or volitional behavior, yet the visitor has the distinct sense of the
presence of a living human being who seems at some level to be aware of
some things around her.
As I looked at Terri, and she gazed directly back at me, I asked myself
whether, if I were her attending physician, I could in good conscience
withdraw nutrition and hydration. No, I could not. I could not
withdraw life support if I were asked. I could not withhold
life-sustaining nutrition and hydration from this beautiful lady whose
face brightens in the presence of others.
The neurologic signs are in many ways ambiguous. There is no guarantee
that more sophisticated testing would definitively resolve that
ambiguity to everyone's satisfaction. There would be value, I think, in
obtaining a functional MRI scan if that is possible.
This situation differs fundamentally from end-of-life scenarios where it
is appropriate to withdraw life-sustaining medical interventions that no
longer benefit or are burdensome to patients in the terminal stages of
illness. Terri's feeding tube is not a burden to her. It is not
painful, is not infected, is not eroding her stomach lining or causing
any medical complications. But for the decision to withdraw her feeding
tube, Terri cannot be considered medically terminal. But for the
withdrawal of food and water, she would not die [well, she would not die
now-- everybody dies eventually, sometimes sooner rather than later. We
never know when we will go to meet our Maker. -df].
In summary, Terri [Schindler] Schiavo demonstrates behaviors in a
variety of cognitive domains that call into question the previous
neurologic diagnosis of persistent vegetative state. Specifically, she
has demonstrated behaviors that are context-specific, sustained, and
indicative of a cerebral cortical processing that, upon careful
neurologic consideration, would not be expected in a persistent
vegetative state.
Based on this evidence, I believe that, within a reasonable degree of
medical certainty, there is a greater likelihood that Terri is in a
minimally conscious state than a persistent vegetative state. This
distinction makes an enormous difference in making ethical decisions on
Terri's behalf. If Terri is sufficiently aware of her surroundings that
she can feel pleasure and suffer, if she is capable of understanding to
some degree how she is being treated, then in my judgment it would be
wrong to bring about her death by withdrawing food and water.
At the time of this writing, Terri Schiavo, as the result of the
decisions based on what I have argued to be a faulty diagnosis of
persistent vegetative state, has been without food or water for 5 days.
She is thus at risk of death or serious injury unless the provision of
food and water can be restored. Terri Schiavo lacks the capacity to
consent to emergency protective services and must trust others to act on
her behalf. If she were to be transferred to another facility, it would
be medically necessary first to initiate hydration and ensure that her
serum electrolytes are within normal values.
How medicine and society choose to think about Terri [Schindler] Schiavo
will influence what kind of people we will be as we evaluate and respond
to the needs of the most vulnerable people among us. When serious
doubts exist as to whether a cognitively impaired person is or is not
consciously aware, even if these doubts cannot be conclusively resolved,
it is better to err on the side of protecting vulnerable life.
Respectfully submitted,
William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D., M.A., F.A.A.N.
[signature]
Sworn to (or affirmed) and subscribed before me this 23[rd] day of
March, 2005, by William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D.
[notary stamp and signature]
======================================================================
articles: livelier ones are by Thomas Sowell and William Kristol. Eric
Cohen's is very thoughtful.
http://www.townhall.com
Cal Thomas: Schiavo case matters in symbol and substance
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3adfseF68nkocU1%40individual.net
Justifications for taking of human life?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3aj33dF67kgcuU2%40individual.net
any atheists against Terri Schindler Schiavo's being starved to death?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3adrlvF69l60hU1%40individual.net
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slippery slope slide from devaluing some
human life to a little euthanasia/ killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
ACLU: Legal Terrorists
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/27/195402.shtml
Terri Schindler Schiavo Case
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/10/16/223430.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43463
What, if anything, will you do to help Terri and stop a judiciary and
ACLU run amok?
action items to help Terri
http://www.terrisfight.org/actionitems.html
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 28 Mar 2005 06:33:02 PM
Glenn wrote:

"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:d29dcl$8hb$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:

The only thing unique about the Schiavo case is the loud and

furious

family tantrums.


And all they have done is take away the _one_ thing they could have
actually done for her, namely give her the opportunity to die with
dignity.

Riiight. Don't argue, just do it. I'll meet you at the hospital,

Bobby.
You evidently haven't been reading the latest news.
.
User: "Glenn"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 28 Mar 2005 07:13:33 PM
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1112056382.357273.152010@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


Glenn wrote:

"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:d29dcl$8hb$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:

The only thing unique about the Schiavo case is the loud and

furious

family tantrums.


And all they have done is take away the _one_ thing they could

have

actually done for her, namely give her the opportunity to die with
dignity.

Riiight. Don't argue, just do it. I'll meet you at the hospital,

Bobby.

You evidently haven't been reading the latest news.

Thank you. I was preoccupied with cheap screwdrivers.
.

User: "Bobby D. Bryant"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 28 Mar 2005 06:55:56 PM
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005,
wrote:


Glenn wrote:

"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:d29dcl$8hb$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:

The only thing unique about the Schiavo case is the loud and furious
family tantrums.


And all they have done is take away the _one_ thing they could have
actually done for her, namely give her the opportunity to die with
dignity.

Riiight. Don't argue, just do it. I'll meet you at the hospital,

Bobby.

You evidently haven't been reading the latest news.

Yes I have. Kinda late for that, though perhaps better late than
never.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
.


User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 28 Mar 2005 01:31:23 PM
In article <glennsheldon-3JY1e.20$Gg2.482@news.uswest.net> "Glenn" <glennsheldon@SPAMqwest.net> writes:


"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:d29dcl$8hb$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:

The only thing unique about the Schiavo case is the loud and furious
family tantrums.


And all they have done is take away the _one_ thing they could have
actually done for her, namely give her the opportunity to die with
dignity.

Riiight. Don't argue, just do it. I'll meet you at the hospital, Bobby.

Don't argue?
We've had nearly a decade and a half of non-stop argumentation,
legal and otherwise.
-- cary
.
User: "Glenn"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 28 Mar 2005 03:03:44 PM
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:d29m2b$jhh$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

In article <glennsheldon-3JY1e.20$Gg2.482@news.uswest.net> "Glenn"

<glennsheldon@SPAMqwest.net> writes:


"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:d29dcl$8hb$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:

The only thing unique about the Schiavo case is the loud and

furious

family tantrums.


And all they have done is take away the _one_ thing they could

have

actually done for her, namely give her the opportunity to die with
dignity.

Riiight. Don't argue, just do it. I'll meet you at the hospital,

Bobby.


Don't argue?

We've had nearly a decade and a half of non-stop argumentation,
legal and otherwise.

That tells you something. I'm not sure I'd care to know what.
.


User: "Paul J Gans"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 28 Mar 2005 03:27:17 PM
In talk.origins Bobby D. Bryant <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:

The only thing unique about the Schiavo case is the loud and furious
family tantrums.

And all they have done is take away the _one_ thing they could have
actually done for her, namely give her the opportunity to die with
dignity.

Anything to gain and retain political power. Anything.
It is not only nauseating, it is just plain scary.
When will they come into YOUR home and decide that what
you are doing violates some moral stricture of theirs?
---- Paul J. Gans
.

User: "Larry C. Lyons"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 11:26:03 AM
david ford wrote:

The affidavit extracts below demonstrate the falsity of the old media's
erroneous allegation that 'no one is home' in Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Also, Terri can anticipate and feel pain.
A U.S. judiciary run amok and a shameless American Criminal Liberties
Union are intent on murdering via starvation an innocent/ guiltless and
defenseless woman.
Decency demands that this unjustified, court-imposed death sentence on
Terri Schindler Schiavo be stopped.

What, if anything, will you do to help Terri and stop a judiciary and
ACLU run amok?
action items to help Terri
http://www.terrisfight.org/actionitems.html


From
http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schindler-schiavo-docs-links-page.html
from the PDF "Affidavit of William Cheshire, Jr., MD 03-23-05":

AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF DUVALL

Before me this day personally appeared William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D.,
who, being duly sworn, deposes and says:

I, William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D., have personal knowledge of the
facts stated in this declaration and, if called as a witness, I could
and would testify competently thereto under oath. I declare as follows:

I am a neurologist practicing in the State of Florida and am certified
by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. In regard to my
educational background, I received an A.B. in biochemical sciences from
Princeton University, an M.A. in bioethics from Trinity International
University, and an M.D. from West Virginia University. I completed an
internship in internal medicine at West Virginia University, a residency
in neurology and a pain fellowship at the University of North Carolina.

I am also an appointed volunteer with the Florida Statewide Adult
Protective Services team, in which capacity I was called on March 1,
2005, to provide an independent and objective medical review of
allegations of possible abuse, neglect, or exploitation of Ms. Theresa
Marie Schiavo.

Although no one from the Department of Children and Families has
inquired about my personal views about treatment decisions in cases of
persistent vegetative state (PVS), I would like to disclose that I came
into this case with the belief that it can be ethically permissible to
discontinue artificially provided nutrition and hydration for patients
in a persistent vegetative state. Having now reviewed the relevant
facts, having met and observed Ms. Schiavo in person, and having
reflected deeply on the moral and ethical issues, I would like to
explain why I change my mind in regard to this particular case.
....
Based on my review of extensive medical records documenting Terri's care
over the years, on my personal observation of Terri, and on my
observations of Terri's responses in the many hours of videotapes taken
in 2002, she demonstrates a number of behaviors I believe cast a
reasonable doubt on the prior diagnosis of PVS. These include:

1. Her behavior is frequently context-specific. For example, her
facial expression brightens and she smiles in response to the voice of
familiar persons such as her parents or her nurse. Her agitation
subsides and her facial demeanor softens when quiet music is played.
When jubilant piano music is played, her face brightens, she lifts her
eyebrows, smiles, and even laughs. Her lateral gaze toward the tape
player is sustained for many minutes. Several times I witnessed Terri
briefly, albeit inconsistently, laugh in response to a humorous comment
someone in the room had made. I did not see her laugh in the absence of
someone else's laughter.

2. Although she does not seem to track or follow visual objects
consistently or for long periods of time, she does fixate her gaze on
colorful objects or human faces for some 15 seconds at a time and
occasionally follows with her eyes at least briefly as these objects
move from side to side. When I first walked into her room, she
immediately turned her head toward me and looked directly at my face.
There was a lot of curiosity or expectation in her expression, and she
maintained eye contact for about half a minute. Later, when she again
looked at me, she brought her lips together as if to pronounce the
letter "O," and although for a moment it appeared that she might be
making an intentional effort to speak, her face then fell blank, and no
words came out.

3. Although I did not hear Terri utter distinct words, she demonstrates
emotional expressivity by her use of a single syllable of vocalizations
such as "ah," making cooing sounds, or by expressing guttural sounds of
annoyance or moaning appropriate to the context of the situation. The
context-specific range and the variability of her vocalizations suggests
at least a reasonable probability of the processing of emotional thought

within her brain. There have been reports of Terri rarely using actual
words specific to her situational context. The July 25, 2003 affidavit
of the speech pathologist Sarah Green Mole, MS, on page 6, reads, "The
records of Mediplex reflect the fact that she has said 'stop' in
apparent response to a medical procedure being done to her." The Adult
Protective Services team has been unable to retrieve those original
medical records in this instance.

4. Although Terri has not consistently followed commands, there
appeared to be some notable exceptions. In the taped examination by Dr.
Hammesfahr from 2002, when asked to close her eyes she began to blink
repeatedly. Although it was unclear whether she squeezed her grip when
asked, she did appear to raise her right leg four times in succession
each time she was asked to do so. Rehabilitation notes from 1991
indicated that she tracked inconsistently, and although she did not
develop a yes/no communication system, did follow some commands
inconsistently and demonstrated good eye contact to family members.

5. There is a remarkable moment in the videotape of the September 3,
2002 examination by Dr. Hammesfahr that seemed to go unnoticed at the
time. At 2:44 p.m., Dr. Hammesfahr had just turned Terri onto her right
side to examine her back with a painful sharp stimulus (a sharp piece of
wood), to which Terri had responded with signs of discomfort. Well
after he ceased applying the stimulus and had returned Terri to a
comfortable position, he says to her parents, "So, we're going to have
to roll her over...." Immediately Terri cries. She vocalizes a crying

sound, "Ugh, ha, ha, ha," presses her eyebrows together, and sadly
grimaces. It is important to note that, at that moment, no one is
touching Terri or causing actual pain. Rather, she appears to
comprehend the meaning of Dr. Hammesfahr's comment and she signals her
_anticipation_ of pain. This response suggests some degree of language
processing and interpretation at the level of the cerebral cortex. It
also suggests that she may be aware of pain beyond what could be
explained by simple reflex withdrawal.

6. According to the definition of PVS published by the American Academy
of Neurology, "persistent vegetative state patients do not have the
capacity to experience pain or suffering. Pain and suffering are
attributes of consciousness requiring cerebral cortical functioning, and
patients who are permanently and completely unconscious cannot
experience these symptoms."^6 And yet, in my review of Terri's medical

records, pain issues keep surfacing. The nurses at Woodside Hospice
told us that she often has pain with menstrual cramps. Menstrual flow
is associated with agitation, repeated or sustained moaning, facial
grimacing, limb posturing, and facial flushing, all of which subside
once she is given ibuprofen. Some of the records document moaning,
crying, and other painful behavior in the setting of urinary tract
infections.
....
7. To enter the room of Terri Schiavo is nothing like entering the room
of a patient who is comatose or brain-dead or in some neurological sense
no longer there. Although Terri did not demonstrate during our 90
minute visit compelling evidence of verbalization, conscious awareness,
or volitional behavior, yet the visitor has the distinct sense of the
presence of a living human being who seems at some level to be aware of
some things around her.

As I looked at Terri, and she gazed directly back at me, I asked myself
whether, if I were her attending physician, I could in good conscience
withdraw nutrition and hydration. No, I could not. I could not
withdraw life support if I were asked. I could not withhold
life-sustaining nutrition and hydration from this beautiful lady whose
face brightens in the presence of others.

The neurologic signs are in many ways ambiguous. There is no guarantee
that more sophisticated testing would definitively resolve that
ambiguity to everyone's satisfaction. There would be value, I think, in
obtaining a functional MRI scan if that is possible.

This situation differs fundamentally from end-of-life scenarios where it
is appropriate to withdraw life-sustaining medical interventions that no
longer benefit or are burdensome to patients in the terminal stages of
illness. Terri's feeding tube is not a burden to her. It is not
painful, is not infected, is not eroding her stomach lining or causing
any medical complications. But for the decision to withdraw her feeding
tube, Terri cannot be considered medically terminal. But for the
withdrawal of food and water, she would not die [well, she would not die
now-- everybody dies eventually, sometimes sooner rather than later. We
never know when we will go to meet our Maker. -df].

In summary, Terri [Schindler] Schiavo demonstrates behaviors in a
variety of cognitive domains that call into question the previous
neurologic diagnosis of persistent vegetative state. Specifically, she
has demonstrated behaviors that are context-specific, sustained, and
indicative of a cerebral cortical processing that, upon careful
neurologic consideration, would not be expected in a persistent
vegetative state.

Based on this evidence, I believe that, within a reasonable degree of
medical certainty, there is a greater likelihood that Terri is in a
minimally conscious state than a persistent vegetative state. This
distinction makes an enormous difference in making ethical decisions on
Terri's behalf. If Terri is sufficiently aware of her surroundings that
she can feel pleasure and suffer, if she is capable of understanding to
some degree how she is being treated, then in my judgment it would be
wrong to bring about her death by withdrawing food and water.

At the time of this writing, Terri Schiavo, as the result of the
decisions based on what I have argued to be a faulty diagnosis of
persistent vegetative state, has been without food or water for 5 days.
She is thus at risk of death or serious injury unless the provision of
food and water can be restored. Terri Schiavo lacks the capacity to
consent to emergency protective services and must trust others to act on
her behalf. If she were to be transferred to another facility, it would
be medically necessary first to initiate hydration and ensure that her
serum electrolytes are within normal values.

How medicine and society choose to think about Terri [Schindler] Schiavo
will influence what kind of people we will be as we evaluate and respond
to the needs of the most vulnerable people among us. When serious
doubts exist as to whether a cognitively impaired person is or is not
consciously aware, even if these doubts cannot be conclusively resolved,
it is better to err on the side of protecting vulnerable life.

Respectfully submitted,
William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D., M.A., F.A.A.N.
[signature]

Sworn to (or affirmed) and subscribed before me this 23[rd] day of
March, 2005, by William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D.

[notary stamp and signature]

======================================================================
articles: livelier ones are by Thomas Sowell and William Kristol. Eric
Cohen's is very thoughtful.
http://www.townhall.com
Cal Thomas: Schiavo case matters in symbol and substance
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3adfseF68nkocU1%40individual.net

Justifications for taking of human life?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3aj33dF67kgcuU2%40individual.net
any atheists against Terri Schindler Schiavo's being starved to death?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3adrlvF69l60hU1%40individual.net

1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slippery slope slide from devaluing some
human life to a little euthanasia/ killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net

ACLU: Legal Terrorists
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/27/195402.shtml
Terri Schindler Schiavo Case
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/10/16/223430.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43463


What, if anything, will you do to help Terri and stop a judiciary and
ACLU run amok?
action items to help Terri
http://www.terrisfight.org/actionitems.html

What I don't understand is how can Dr. Cheshire be considered an expert
on Minimally Conscious State. I did a scholar.google search to look at
his publishing record, and found that he mainly published on botox 's
effects on TMJ and opinion pieces in a so-called Christian journal
thinly disguised as a bioethics journal. Yes his expertise is astounding.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=author%3A%22W+Cheshire%22&btnG=Search
--
Larry C. Lyons
========================================================
Life is Complex. It has both real and imaginary parts.
========================================================
Chaos, Panic and Disorder. My work here is done.
.

User: "Carl Kaufmann"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 25 Mar 2005 11:08:29 PM
david ford wrote:

The affidavit extracts below demonstrate the falsity of the old media's
erroneous allegation that 'no one is home' in Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Also, Terri can anticipate and feel pain.
A U.S. judiciary run amok and a shameless American Criminal Liberties
Union are intent on murdering via starvation an innocent/ guiltless and
defenseless woman.
Decency demands that this unjustified, court-imposed death sentence on
Terri Schindler Schiavo be stopped.

No, it demonstrates one doctor's opinion. A doctor who has NOT
examined the patient, and who has a clear pre-existing bias.
<lossy compression>
--
EAC Liar, Damned Liar, and Statistician
alt.atheist #1966
"Statistical thinking will one day be as necessary for efficient
citizenship as the ability to read and write." - H.G. Wells
.
User: "Stanley Friesen"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 12:51:18 PM
Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> wrote:

david ford wrote:

The affidavit extracts below demonstrate the falsity of the old media's
erroneous allegation that 'no one is home' in Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Also, Terri can anticipate and feel pain.
A U.S. judiciary run amok and a shameless American Criminal Liberties
Union are intent on murdering via starvation an innocent/ guiltless and
defenseless woman.
Decency demands that this unjustified, court-imposed death sentence on
Terri Schindler Schiavo be stopped.


No, it demonstrates one doctor's opinion. A doctor who has NOT
examined the patient, and who has a clear pre-existing bias.

And who seems to be ignorant of the sorts of *apparently* "directed"
behavior can be generated by the brainstem under certain conditions.
The basic reality is that movement per se is actually a poor basis for
deciding if anybody is home.
--
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
.
User: "Glenn"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 01:33:18 PM
"Stanley Friesen" <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in message
news:mlbb41h3sm4f9o7fues0i0irnsh24oaihk@4ax.com...

Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> wrote:

david ford wrote:

The affidavit extracts below demonstrate the falsity of the old media's
erroneous allegation that 'no one is home' in Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Also, Terri can anticipate and feel pain.
A U.S. judiciary run amok and a shameless American Criminal Liberties
Union are intent on murdering via starvation an innocent/ guiltless and
defenseless woman.
Decency demands that this unjustified, court-imposed death sentence on
Terri Schindler Schiavo be stopped.


No, it demonstrates one doctor's opinion. A doctor who has NOT
examined the patient, and who has a clear pre-existing bias.

And who seems to be ignorant of the sorts of *apparently* "directed"
behavior can be generated by the brainstem under certain conditions.

The doctor DID examine the patient, you moron. And he doesn't "seem to be"
ignorant of anything.


The basic reality is that movement per se is actually a poor basis for
deciding if anybody is home.

That's true, and a disgusting strawman.
Dr. Cheshire:
"Based on my review of extensive medical records documenting Terri's care
over the years, on my personal observation of Terri, and on my
observations of Terri's responses in the many hours of videotapes taken
in 2002, she demonstrates a number of behaviors I believe cast a
reasonable doubt on the prior diagnosis of PVS. These include:
1. Her behavior is frequently context-specific."
Read the rest "From
http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schindler-schiavo-docs-links-page.html
from the PDF "Affidavit of William Cheshire, Jr., MD 03-23-05"
Thank you , David.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 05:14:40 PM
Glenn wrote:

"1. Her behavior is frequently context-specific."

That and holding a state governorship are enough to get you nominated
for President, right?
.
User: "Glenn"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 05:23:54 PM
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1111878880.450451.243860@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Glenn wrote:

"1. Her behavior is frequently context-specific."


That and holding a state governorship are enough to get you nominated
for President, right?

Probably not, but it appears to be better than yours.
.


User: "Larry C. Lyons"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 05:36:51 PM
Glenn wrote:

"Stanley Friesen" <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in message
news:mlbb41h3sm4f9o7fues0i0irnsh24oaihk@4ax.com...

Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> wrote:


david ford wrote:

The affidavit extracts below demonstrate the falsity of the old media's
erroneous allegation that 'no one is home' in Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Also, Terri can anticipate and feel pain.
A U.S. judiciary run amok and a shameless American Criminal Liberties
Union are intent on murdering via starvation an innocent/ guiltless and
defenseless woman.
Decency demands that this unjustified, court-imposed death sentence on
Terri Schindler Schiavo be stopped.


No, it demonstrates one doctor's opinion. A doctor who has NOT
examined the patient, and who has a clear pre-existing bias.


And who seems to be ignorant of the sorts of *apparently* "directed"
behavior can be generated by the brainstem under certain conditions.



The doctor DID examine the patient, you moron. And he doesn't "seem to be"
ignorant of anything.

The basic reality is that movement per se is actually a poor basis for
deciding if anybody is home.


That's true, and a disgusting strawman.

Dr. Cheshire:
"Based on my review of extensive medical records documenting Terri's care
over the years, on my personal observation of Terri, and on my
observations of Terri's responses in the many hours of videotapes taken
in 2002, she demonstrates a number of behaviors I believe cast a
reasonable doubt on the prior diagnosis of PVS. These include:
1. Her behavior is frequently context-specific."

Read the rest "From
http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schindler-schiavo-docs-links-page.html
from the PDF "Affidavit of William Cheshire, Jr., MD 03-23-05"

Thank you , David.

Yes but he made that conclusion after seeing a heavily edited video, and
only spending less than an hour with Ms. Shiavo. His published work has
been with TMJ and facial nerve problems, not with PVS or MCS. Its
somewhat out of his league.
Let me put it this way, would have an electrical engineer build a bridge?
larry
--
Larry C. Lyons
========================================================
Life is Complex. It has both real and imaginary parts.
========================================================
Chaos, Panic and Disorder. My work here is done.
.
User: "Glenn"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 06:28:11 PM
"Larry C. Lyons" <LarryCLyons@someoneElse.Invalid> wrote in message
news:nmm1e.30949$mq2.25001@trnddc08...

Glenn wrote:

"Stanley Friesen" <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in message
news:mlbb41h3sm4f9o7fues0i0irnsh24oaihk@4ax.com...

Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> wrote:


david ford wrote:

The affidavit extracts below demonstrate the falsity of the old media's
erroneous allegation that 'no one is home' in Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Also, Terri can anticipate and feel pain.
A U.S. judiciary run amok and a shameless American Criminal Liberties
Union are intent on murdering via starvation an innocent/ guiltless and
defenseless woman.
Decency demands that this unjustified, court-imposed death sentence on
Terri Schindler Schiavo be stopped.


No, it demonstrates one doctor's opinion. A doctor who has NOT
examined the patient, and who has a clear pre-existing bias.


And who seems to be ignorant of the sorts of *apparently* "directed"
behavior can be generated by the brainstem under certain conditions.



The doctor DID examine the patient, you moron. And he doesn't "seem to be"
ignorant of anything.

The basic reality is that movement per se is actually a poor basis for
deciding if anybody is home.


That's true, and a disgusting strawman.

Dr. Cheshire:
"Based on my review of extensive medical records documenting Terri's care
over the years, on my personal observation of Terri, and on my
observations of Terri's responses in the many hours of videotapes taken
in 2002, she demonstrates a number of behaviors I believe cast a
reasonable doubt on the prior diagnosis of PVS. These include:
1. Her behavior is frequently context-specific."

Read the rest "From
http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schindler-schiavo-docs-links-page.html
from the PDF "Affidavit of William Cheshire, Jr., MD 03-23-05"

Thank you , David.


Yes but he made that conclusion after seeing a heavily edited video,

"Many hours of videotapes", boy.

and only spending less than an hour with Ms. Shiavo.

Oh my, we missed the part where he reviewed Terri's medical records, including
tests and such. Tsk tsk. Oh, I didn't catch in his testimony where he says he
spent less than an hour with Terri. Perhaps you could at least provide a
reference once in a while, if not just "googledotcom"? But even if true, what of
it? Should he have spent the night?

His published work has
been with TMJ and facial nerve problems, not with PVS or MCS. Its
somewhat out of his league.

Really. And your rant is supposed to be any more convincing or reasonable and
less dishonest than the majority of the other poster's to this thread, how
exactly?


Let me put it this way, would have an electrical engineer build a bridge?

The strawboys are in bloom!
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 06:34:33 PM
"Glenn" <glennsheldon@SPAMqwest.net> wrote in
news:glennsheldon-w5n1e.73$ml6.871@news.uswest.net:

Perhaps you could at least provide a
reference once in a while, if not just "googledotcom"? But even if
true, what of it? Should he have spent the night?

This is great! Weren't you on the "It's not my job to educate you"
bandwagon two days ago, and now you're complaining because others don't
provide cites?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Heard on alt.atheism...

You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons,
sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on
water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you
say that we are the ones that need help?

-- Jon Stoll
.
User: "Glenn"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 26 Mar 2005 07:01:53 PM
"Enkidu" <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9625A8A5E8AA0255229@130.133.1.4...

"Glenn" <glennsheldon@SPAMqwest.net> wrote in
news:glennsheldon-w5n1e.73$ml6.871@news.uswest.net:

Perhaps you could at least provide a
reference once in a while, if not just "googledotcom"? But even if
true, what of it? Should he have spent the night?


This is great!

Certainly is, just not the way you hoped.

Weren't you on the "It's not my job to educate you"
bandwagon two days ago,

Nope.

and now you're complaining because others don't
provide cites?

It wasn't a complaint, it was an observation, idiot.


Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

Heard on alt.atheism...

That might be part of your problem. I think incurable, though.
.



User: "shane"

Title: Re: Facts vs. media fictions about Terri's actual condition 27 Mar 2005 05:56:24 AM
Larry C. Lyons wrote:

Glenn wrote:

"Stanley Friesen" <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in message
news:mlbb41h3sm4f9o7fues0i0irnsh24oaihk@4ax.com...


Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> wrote:



david ford wrote:


The affidavit extracts below demonstrate the falsity of the old media's
erroneous allegation that 'no one is home' in Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Also, Terri can anticipate and feel pain.
A U.S. judiciary run amok and a shameless American Criminal Liberties
Union are intent on murdering via starvation an innocent/ guiltless and
defenseless woman.
Decency demands that this unjustified, court-imposed death sentence on
Terri Schindler Schiavo be stopped.


No, it demonstrates one doctor's opinion. A doctor who has NOT
examined the patient, and who has a clear pre-existing bias.


And who seems to be ignorant of the sorts of *apparently* "directed"
behavior can be generated by the brainstem under certain conditions.



The doctor DID examine the patient, you moron. And he doesn't "seem to be"
ignorant of anything.


The basic reality is that movement per se is actually a poor basis for
deciding if anybody is home.


That's true, and a disgusting strawman.

Dr. Cheshire:
"Based on my review of extensive medical records documenting Terri's care
over the years, on my personal observation of Terri, and on my
observations of Terri's responses in the many hours of videotapes taken
in 2002, she demonstrates a number of behaviors I believe cast a
reasonable doubt on the prior diagnosis of PVS. These include:
1. Her behavior is frequently context-specific."

Read the rest "From
http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schindler-schiavo-docs-links-page.html
from the PDF "Affidavit of William Cheshire, Jr., MD 03-23-05"

Thank you , David.



Yes but he made that conclusion after seeing a heavily edited video, and
only spending less than an hour with Ms. Shiavo. His published work has
been with TMJ and facial nerve problems, not with PVS or MCS. Its
somewhat out of his league.

Let me put it this way, would have an electrical engineer build a bridge?

larry

Glenn probably would, if the civil engineer was an atheist and the
electrical engineer a thesit.
--
shane
And the truth shall set you free.
.






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