Religions > Atheism > Faggots lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage
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"Randy Jabsco" |
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20 Dec 2003 06:55:16 PM |
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Faggots lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
Hey faggots, I'm still confused. Help me out here. Didn't you faggots say
that the tide has changed and that EVERYONE is accepting faggots now, and
that only a few minor bigots won't accept? Didn't you say the majority of
people are accepting ***** behavior? I don't understand this article, I am
very confused. Why is it that faggots can only be accepted by imposing
their will on other people and seeking out sypathetic judges to change laws
for them? How come they can't take their case to the 'majority public' in
the voting booths? Surely if EVERYONE is accepting faggots now, they should
EASILY get these laws passed on the ballots!! Why is it that 38 states now
have a consititutional ban on ***** marriages if the majority of the voters
want otherwise? Help me out here...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/21/national/21GAY.html?ex=1073192400&en=a887ec494ccc1c01&ei=5004&partner=UNTD
Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage
The latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found widespread support for an
amendment to the United States Constitution to ban gay marriage. It also
found unease about homosexual relations in general, making the issue a
potentially divisive one for the Democrats and an opportunity for the
Republicans in the 2004 election.
Support for a constitutional amendment extends across a wide swath of the
public and includes a majority of people traditionally viewed as supportive
of gay rights, including Democrats, women and people who live on the East
Coast.
Attitudes on the subject seem to be inextricably linked to how people view
marriage itself. For a majority of Americans - 53 percent - marriage is
largely a religious matter. Seventy-one percent of those people oppose gay
marriage. Similarly, 33 percent of Americans say marriage is largely a legal
matter and a majority of those people - 55 percent - say they support gay
marriage.
The most positive feelings toward gay people were registered among
respondents under 30, and among those who knew gay people.
The nationwide poll found that 55 percent of Americans favored an amendment
to the constitution that would allow marriage only between a man and a
woman, while 40 percent opposed the idea.
The findings come after the highest court in Massachusetts ruled 4 to 3 last
month that same-sex marriage was permissible under the state's Constitution.
That ruling followed a 6-to-3 decision in late June by the United States
Supreme Court striking down antisodomy laws.
President Bush had been noncommittal about a constitutional amendment
immediately after the Massachusetts ruling, with the administration worried
that support for a ban on gay marriage would alienate moderate voters. But
last week Mr. Bush for the first time voiced his support, saying, "I will
support a constitutional amendment which would honor marriage between a man
and a woman, codify that."
The statement signals the White House's increasing confidence that it can
exploit the matter in the presidential campaign, both to energize its
evangelical supporters and to discredit the eventual Democratic nominee.
Most of the Democratic candidates oppose gay marriage but favor civil
unions. Howard Dean, who is leading in the polls for the Democratic
nomination, signed a law when he was governor of Vermont allowing civil
unions, an action that Republicans have already used to portray him as too
liberal for mainstream America.
The court rulings generated extensive publicity and concern, not only about
same-sex marriage but also about having the courts set social agendas that
have not been approved by the legislative process.
"We have found that the more people focus on it, the less they support it,"
said the Rev. Lou Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition,
which strongly opposes gay marriage and is working actively for a
constitutional ban.
The Times/CBS News poll was conducted from Dec. 10 through Dec. 13 in
telephone interviews with 1,057 people. It carries a margin of sampling
error of plus or minus three percentage points. Responses about gay rights
tend to be influenced somewhat by the wording of the questions.
This poll and other surveys show that as the courts have extended legal
rights to gays this year, Americans have become increasingly uncomfortable
with same-sex relations.
For decades, a majority of Americans have not approved of homosexual
relations. That had begun to change, until the Supreme Court ruling in June
and the Massachusetts ruling in November. A New York Times/CBS News poll
conducted in July found that 54 percent of respondents said homosexual
relations should be legal. Only 41 percent of the respondents in the latest
poll said they should be legal.
Richard Waters, 71, a retired elementary school teacher in Little Valley,
N.Y., and a Republican, said in a follow-up interview to the poll that he
strongly supported a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
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| User: "Earl Camembert" |
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21 Jan 2004 01:49:04 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:10:09 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
(SNIP)
You are welcome to your opinion, and since it is impossible to see the
future, you cannot be sure of your position. On the other hand, facts
indicate that Bush will be reelected.
That is the trouble with Negroes and Queers, the Democrats must pander
to them and the normal people will vote Republican because of it.
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
21 Jan 2004 12:08:57 PM |
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"Earl Camembert" <nospam@forme.org> wrote in message
news:9gbs00la0c12poujg79ro6b0oe3b4h9k5v@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:10:09 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
(SNIP)
You are welcome to your opinion, and since it is impossible to see the
future, you cannot be sure of your position. On the other hand, facts
indicate that Bush will be reelected.
That is the trouble with Negroes and Queers, the Democrats must pander
to them and the normal people will vote Republican because of it.
Racist, homophobic *****. PLONK
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| User: "Ward Stewart" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
20 Jan 2004 02:38:40 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
OOOPS! Sorry about that Amelia dear -- Canada is permitting
MARRIAGE
for same-gender couples and George and I have a certificate of
MARRIAGE issued in British Columbia!~
ward
Which of course is not recognized here in the USA, nor is anybody in
America
required to recognize your illegal marriage.
So why don't you and george just move to BC and stay there.
But it seems even in Canada the people there are not going to let that
stand
for much longer either.
Not to count your buzzards before they are hatched!
Bush will be reelected, the dems will lose more seats in the House and
Senate.
We are fixing to boot you all out of here.
Back in the closet you go.
Since you do not want to compromise and accept civil unions, we no longer
see any reason why we should have to put up with your attack on our
culture.
So say goodbye to any and all gains you think you all have made. Your
intolerance and hatred and lack of willingness to compromise has been your
own worst enemy.
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading? There are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't set foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush, wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements and have NO standing before the feds - no standing
in matters of social security pensions and inheritance tax laws.
Separate is NOT equal!
Just to illustrate, our Hawaii State certificate of "domestic
partnership" actually has a disclaimer printed at the bottom -- "The
state of Hawaii makes no representation as to the accuracy of the
information on this form."
A bad joke!~
ward
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"In our democratic republic the default MUST BE
that the citizen is free to live his life in any
harmless way that he chooses."
Ward Stewart
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| User: "dpr why" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
20 Jan 2004 03:31:07 PM |
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"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
OOOPS! Sorry about that Amelia dear -- Canada is permitting
MARRIAGE
for same-gender couples and George and I have a certificate of
MARRIAGE issued in British Columbia!~
ward
Which of course is not recognized here in the USA, nor is anybody in
America
required to recognize your illegal marriage.
So why don't you and george just move to BC and stay there.
But it seems even in Canada the people there are not going to let
that
stand
for much longer either.
Not to count your buzzards before they are hatched!
Bush will be reelected, the dems will lose more seats in the House and
Senate.
We are fixing to boot you all out of here.
Back in the closet you go.
Since you do not want to compromise and accept civil unions, we no
longer
see any reason why we should have to put up with your attack on our
culture.
So say goodbye to any and all gains you think you all have made. Your
intolerance and hatred and lack of willingness to compromise has been
your
own worst enemy.
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading? There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek. Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
20 Jan 2004 04:39:22 PM |
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"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100r6ukjj3d5iae@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
OOOPS! Sorry about that Amelia dear -- Canada is permitting
MARRIAGE
for same-gender couples and George and I have a certificate of
MARRIAGE issued in British Columbia!~
ward
Which of course is not recognized here in the USA, nor is anybody
in
America
required to recognize your illegal marriage.
So why don't you and george just move to BC and stay there.
But it seems even in Canada the people there are not going to let
that
stand
for much longer either.
Not to count your buzzards before they are hatched!
Bush will be reelected, the dems will lose more seats in the House
and
Senate.
We are fixing to boot you all out of here.
Back in the closet you go.
Since you do not want to compromise and accept civil unions, we no
longer
see any reason why we should have to put up with your attack on our
culture.
So say goodbye to any and all gains you think you all have made. Your
intolerance and hatred and lack of willingness to compromise has been
your
own worst enemy.
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading?
There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek. Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
Are you saying everyone that's "traditional" believes in the book of blood,
and the dead jew on a stick? America is NOT a christian country. Read your
constitution.
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| User: "dpr why" |
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20 Jan 2004 06:03:27 PM |
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"Amelia M. Samples" <milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote in message
news:u6iPb.95963$fq1.92945@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100r6ukjj3d5iae@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message
news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
OOOPS! Sorry about that Amelia dear -- Canada is permitting
MARRIAGE
for same-gender couples and George and I have a certificate of
MARRIAGE issued in British Columbia!~
ward
Which of course is not recognized here in the USA, nor is
anybody
in
America
required to recognize your illegal marriage.
So why don't you and george just move to BC and stay there.
But it seems even in Canada the people there are not going to
let
that
stand
for much longer either.
Not to count your buzzards before they are hatched!
Bush will be reelected, the dems will lose more seats in the House
and
Senate.
We are fixing to boot you all out of here.
Back in the closet you go.
Since you do not want to compromise and accept civil unions, we no
longer
see any reason why we should have to put up with your attack on our
culture.
So say goodbye to any and all gains you think you all have made.
Your
intolerance and hatred and lack of willingness to compromise has
been
your
own worst enemy.
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading?
There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no
standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and
if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't
set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek. Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
Are you saying everyone that's "traditional" believes in the book of
blood,
Your intolerance is showing.
and the dead jew on a stick?
This is rich. Bet you ran the ovens over in Germany.
America is NOT a christian country. Read your
constitution.
America is a Christian Country. Actually now American can be called a
religious country due to the massive numbers of people of the moslem/hindu
faith that have come to our country to share their beliefs with us.
Which is what makes America a very diverse country.
We have a secular government as it should be.
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
21 Jan 2004 12:03:54 PM |
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"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100rfsaiuie2bf0@corp.supernews.com...
"Amelia M. Samples" <milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote in message
news:u6iPb.95963$fq1.92945@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100r6ukjj3d5iae@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message
news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
OOOPS! Sorry about that Amelia dear -- Canada is
permitting
MARRIAGE
for same-gender couples and George and I have a certificate
of
MARRIAGE issued in British Columbia!~
ward
Which of course is not recognized here in the USA, nor is
anybody
in
America
required to recognize your illegal marriage.
So why don't you and george just move to BC and stay there.
But it seems even in Canada the people there are not going to
let
that
stand
for much longer either.
Not to count your buzzards before they are hatched!
Bush will be reelected, the dems will lose more seats in the
House
and
Senate.
We are fixing to boot you all out of here.
Back in the closet you go.
Since you do not want to compromise and accept civil unions, we
no
longer
see any reason why we should have to put up with your attack on
our
culture.
So say goodbye to any and all gains you think you all have made.
Your
intolerance and hatred and lack of willingness to compromise has
been
your
own worst enemy.
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading?
There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no
standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and
if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't
set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about
bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek.
Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and
throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
Are you saying everyone that's "traditional" believes in the book of
blood,
Your intolerance is showing.
and the dead jew on a stick?
This is rich. Bet you ran the ovens over in Germany.
GODWIN'S LAW! I WIN!
America is NOT a christian country. Read your
constitution.
America is a Christian Country. Actually now American can be called a
religious country due to the massive numbers of people of the moslem/hindu
faith that have come to our country to share their beliefs with us.
Which is what makes America a very diverse country.
We have a secular government as it should be.
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| User: "Ward Stewart" |
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20 Jan 2004 07:37:10 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:31:07 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
OOOPS! Sorry about that Amelia dear -- Canada is permitting
MARRIAGE
for same-gender couples and George and I have a certificate of
MARRIAGE issued in British Columbia!~
ward
Which of course is not recognized here in the USA, nor is anybody in
America
required to recognize your illegal marriage.
So why don't you and george just move to BC and stay there.
But it seems even in Canada the people there are not going to let
that
stand
for much longer either.
Not to count your buzzards before they are hatched!
Bush will be reelected, the dems will lose more seats in the House and
Senate.
We are fixing to boot you all out of here.
Back in the closet you go.
Since you do not want to compromise and accept civil unions, we no
longer
see any reason why we should have to put up with your attack on our
culture.
So say goodbye to any and all gains you think you all have made. Your
intolerance and hatred and lack of willingness to compromise has been
your
own worst enemy.
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading? There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek. Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
Where. in EQUAL standing before the law, do you see second class
status?
ward
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Let us suppose for a moment that the worst-case scenario
imagined by the fundys should come to pass and Gays and
Lesbians seize control of the government.
How would you feel if they should then pass
legislation which would permit ONLY same gender
marriage --- would you be comforted by the assurance
that you are FREE to marry anyone you choose. Of the
same gender?
Ward
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| User: "dpr why" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
20 Jan 2004 08:27:32 PM |
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"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:m8mr00ti9jk33554efup2bkq17ka0cqmpu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:31:07 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message
news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
OOOPS! Sorry about that Amelia dear -- Canada is permitting
MARRIAGE
for same-gender couples and George and I have a certificate of
MARRIAGE issued in British Columbia!~
ward
Which of course is not recognized here in the USA, nor is anybody
in
America
required to recognize your illegal marriage.
So why don't you and george just move to BC and stay there.
But it seems even in Canada the people there are not going to let
that
stand
for much longer either.
Not to count your buzzards before they are hatched!
Bush will be reelected, the dems will lose more seats in the House
and
Senate.
We are fixing to boot you all out of here.
Back in the closet you go.
Since you do not want to compromise and accept civil unions, we no
longer
see any reason why we should have to put up with your attack on our
culture.
So say goodbye to any and all gains you think you all have made.
Your
intolerance and hatred and lack of willingness to compromise has
been
your
own worst enemy.
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading?
There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't
set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek. Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
Where. in EQUAL standing before the law,
That is not what you militant homosexuals want, that is why you are your own
worst enemy.
Your hatred and bigotry is your downfall.
It was because of people like you that the people of Hawaii changed their
laws after your activists had some judge legislate from the bench. Your
tactics of trying to subvert the Constitution and the will of the people by
legislation from the bench has exposed you for the true intolerant bigots
you are. You insult African Americans by comparing your actions to grab
special rights as being the same as the struggle for Civil Rights.
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| User: "Ward Stewart" |
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21 Jan 2004 02:38:10 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:27:32 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:31:07 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message
news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
OOOPS! Sorry about that Amelia dear -- Canada is permitting
MARRIAGE
for same-gender couples and George and I have a certificate of
MARRIAGE issued in British Columbia!~
ward
Which of course is not recognized here in the USA, nor is anybody
in
America
required to recognize your illegal marriage.
So why don't you and george just move to BC and stay there.
But it seems even in Canada the people there are not going to let
that
stand
for much longer either.
Not to count your buzzards before they are hatched!
Bush will be reelected, the dems will lose more seats in the House
and
Senate.
We are fixing to boot you all out of here.
Back in the closet you go.
Since you do not want to compromise and accept civil unions, we no
longer
see any reason why we should have to put up with your attack on our
culture.
So say goodbye to any and all gains you think you all have made.
Your
intolerance and hatred and lack of willingness to compromise has
been
your
own worst enemy.
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading?
There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't
set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek. Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
Where. in EQUAL standing before the law,
That is not what you militant homosexuals want, that is why you are your own
worst enemy.
Your hatred and bigotry is your downfall.
It was because of people like you that the people of Hawaii changed their
laws after your activists had some judge legislate from the bench. Your
tactics of trying to subvert the Constitution and the will of the people by
legislation from the bench has exposed you for the true intolerant bigots
you are. You insult African Americans by comparing your actions to grab
special rights as being the same as the struggle for Civil Rights.
"Subvert the constitution??
You are truly a dodo -- weaving arguments out of moonbeams and malice
-- pathetic stuff!
ward
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"The Constitution just sets minimums. Most of the
rights that you enjoy go way beyond what the
Constitution requires."
--"Justice" Antonin Scalia
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on GayMarriage |
20 Jan 2004 03:35:40 PM |
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dpr wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
<snip>
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading? There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek. Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
How is allowing EQUAL treatment before the law going to "..place
the traditional people into a second class status."[sic]? You would
have the FREEDOM to marry a consenting adult of the same or opposite
sex according to your choice. Just becase same sex marriage would
be permitted, does not mean they would be required.
The state already permits gambling, prostitution and other things
under the law that some "traditional people" may not like. Those
"traditional people" are free to engage, or not engage, in those
activities according to their choice. This allows those who do not
share your belief to have the FREEDOM to also choose or not choose
such activities. The problem is that you are a control freak and
what to dictate how other citizens can live their lives.
As to your statement that "traditional people" are become "second
class" citizens, I am sure you can provide us with some verifiable,
concrete examples where your rights have been infringed.
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "dpr why" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
20 Jan 2004 05:56:17 PM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
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dpr wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
<snip>
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading?
There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek. Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
How is allowing EQUAL treatment before the law going to "..place
the traditional people into a second class status
He does not want equal treatment, he wants special treatment.
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
21 Jan 2004 12:00:54 PM |
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"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:100rfetaii44sad@corp.supernews.com...
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
news:400D9F2C.9020902@noSpamThanks.net...
dpr wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message
news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
<snip>
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been reading?
There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has no
standing
before the law. Civil unions would put us all on equal footing, and
if
churches wanted to tell us to go away, we would. I for one wouldn't
set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also, about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements are
STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you seek.
Only
because you want to force other people to accept your beliefs, and
throw
away their beliefs. You are the one who want to place the traditional
people into a second class status.
How is allowing EQUAL treatment before the law going to "..place
the traditional people into a second class status
He does not want equal treatment, he wants special treatment.
Equal rights are not special rights. Check your dictionary.
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
21 Jan 2004 01:22:41 AM |
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"dpr" <why> wrote in news:100rfetaii44sad@corp.supernews.com:
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote
in message news:400D9F2C.9020902@noSpamThanks.net...
dpr wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2k4r00tbgjnqrlfr42p86ujkd6hoam21os@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:57:08 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message
news:100qj7b999shne3@corp.supernews.com...
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3mrp005job40cb2i15sdhruoo3fopfuvta@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0900, "dpr" <why> wrote:
"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9t4n00dese2e09n5343giq2u6fm4vfq0ck@4ax.com...
<snip>
Most of us do want civil unions. What stats have you been
reading?
There
are
already churches that will marry gay couples, but that has
no standing before the law. Civil unions would put us all on
equal footing, and if churches wanted to tell us to go away,
we would. I for one wouldn't set
foot
in one ever again, after reading the book of blood. Also,
about bush,
wanna
bet?
Aloha Amelia --
Sadly, you are wrong -- civil unions and similar arrangements
are STATE arrangements
And yet you oppose legislation which would give you what you
seek. Only because you want to force other people to accept
your beliefs, and throw away their beliefs. You are the one
who want to place the traditional people into a second class
status.
How is allowing EQUAL treatment before the law going to
"..place the traditional people into a second class status
He does not want equal treatment, he wants special treatment.
Can you please explian what special treatment he is asking for, and
how the special treatment extinguishes you own rights in the same
matter.
--
Bernard Hubbard
Australian, Gay, Green and Proud.
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20 Jan 2004 09:26:34 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:56:17 -0900, a stranger
called by some "dpr" <why> came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
How is allowing EQUAL treatment before the law going to "..place
the traditional people into a second class status
He does not want equal treatment, he wants special treatment.
My sister is getting married in about a month. To the man she loves.
The entire legal portion took about $25, and will require four
signatures on the certificate. She's know Bill about three years.
My friend Sylvan has been living with, and in love with, his partner
for over a decade. They have spent thousands tryiong to join their
lives.. many visits with lawyers to write up documents to make it
clear to the state that they are a family.
Who is getting the special right here? Sylvan, or my sister?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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