Religions > Atheism > Faggots lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage
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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Randy Jabsco" |
| Date: |
20 Dec 2003 06:55:16 PM |
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Faggots lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
Hey faggots, I'm still confused. Help me out here. Didn't you faggots say
that the tide has changed and that EVERYONE is accepting faggots now, and
that only a few minor bigots won't accept? Didn't you say the majority of
people are accepting ***** behavior? I don't understand this article, I am
very confused. Why is it that faggots can only be accepted by imposing
their will on other people and seeking out sypathetic judges to change laws
for them? How come they can't take their case to the 'majority public' in
the voting booths? Surely if EVERYONE is accepting faggots now, they should
EASILY get these laws passed on the ballots!! Why is it that 38 states now
have a consititutional ban on ***** marriages if the majority of the voters
want otherwise? Help me out here...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/21/national/21GAY.html?ex=1073192400&en=a887ec494ccc1c01&ei=5004&partner=UNTD
Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage
The latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found widespread support for an
amendment to the United States Constitution to ban gay marriage. It also
found unease about homosexual relations in general, making the issue a
potentially divisive one for the Democrats and an opportunity for the
Republicans in the 2004 election.
Support for a constitutional amendment extends across a wide swath of the
public and includes a majority of people traditionally viewed as supportive
of gay rights, including Democrats, women and people who live on the East
Coast.
Attitudes on the subject seem to be inextricably linked to how people view
marriage itself. For a majority of Americans - 53 percent - marriage is
largely a religious matter. Seventy-one percent of those people oppose gay
marriage. Similarly, 33 percent of Americans say marriage is largely a legal
matter and a majority of those people - 55 percent - say they support gay
marriage.
The most positive feelings toward gay people were registered among
respondents under 30, and among those who knew gay people.
The nationwide poll found that 55 percent of Americans favored an amendment
to the constitution that would allow marriage only between a man and a
woman, while 40 percent opposed the idea.
The findings come after the highest court in Massachusetts ruled 4 to 3 last
month that same-sex marriage was permissible under the state's Constitution.
That ruling followed a 6-to-3 decision in late June by the United States
Supreme Court striking down antisodomy laws.
President Bush had been noncommittal about a constitutional amendment
immediately after the Massachusetts ruling, with the administration worried
that support for a ban on gay marriage would alienate moderate voters. But
last week Mr. Bush for the first time voiced his support, saying, "I will
support a constitutional amendment which would honor marriage between a man
and a woman, codify that."
The statement signals the White House's increasing confidence that it can
exploit the matter in the presidential campaign, both to energize its
evangelical supporters and to discredit the eventual Democratic nominee.
Most of the Democratic candidates oppose gay marriage but favor civil
unions. Howard Dean, who is leading in the polls for the Democratic
nomination, signed a law when he was governor of Vermont allowing civil
unions, an action that Republicans have already used to portray him as too
liberal for mainstream America.
The court rulings generated extensive publicity and concern, not only about
same-sex marriage but also about having the courts set social agendas that
have not been approved by the legislative process.
"We have found that the more people focus on it, the less they support it,"
said the Rev. Lou Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition,
which strongly opposes gay marriage and is working actively for a
constitutional ban.
The Times/CBS News poll was conducted from Dec. 10 through Dec. 13 in
telephone interviews with 1,057 people. It carries a margin of sampling
error of plus or minus three percentage points. Responses about gay rights
tend to be influenced somewhat by the wording of the questions.
This poll and other surveys show that as the courts have extended legal
rights to gays this year, Americans have become increasingly uncomfortable
with same-sex relations.
For decades, a majority of Americans have not approved of homosexual
relations. That had begun to change, until the Supreme Court ruling in June
and the Massachusetts ruling in November. A New York Times/CBS News poll
conducted in July found that 54 percent of respondents said homosexual
relations should be legal. Only 41 percent of the respondents in the latest
poll said they should be legal.
Richard Waters, 71, a retired elementary school teacher in Little Valley,
N.Y., and a Republican, said in a follow-up interview to the poll that he
strongly supported a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
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"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out
the
true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
all
men
are created equal.' ...I have a dream that my four children will one
day
live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their
skin
but by the content of their character. ...And if America is to be a
great
nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the
prodigious
hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty
mountains of
New
York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of
Pennsylvania!
Let
freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom
ring
from
the curvaceous slopes of California! But not only that; let freedom
ring
from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout
Mountain
of
Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of
Mississippi.
From every mountainside, let freedom ring." --Martin Luther King,
Jr.
Editor's Note: Most quoted from Martin King's "I Have a Dream"
speech
is, "I
have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation
where
they
will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of
their
character." Yet today, Jesse Jackson (King's chief aide during those
tumultuous civil rights protests) and virtually every other black
leader
advocate for programs and policies that judge by skin color alone,
regardless character. Irrespective of one's conclusion about Martin
King's
proper place in history (given what we know about his personal
character
lapses, including marital infidelity, his association with known
Communists,
questions about the originality of his doctoral dissertation, and
the
violation of his message by those who succeeded him), the two texts
cited
below (from The Federalist Historic Documents section) are well
worth
reading -- for each of them proclaim truth.
"I HAVE A DREAM" http://federalist.com/histdocs/HaveDream.htm
"LETTER FROM BIRMINGHAM JAIL"
http://federalist.com/histdocs/BirmJail.html
But Klan, Confederates and Bible Belt fundamentalists are not well
known for their sterling charcter.
%%%% What does that have to do with Dr. King, he was a "Bible Belt
fundamentalists". Your racism is glowing bright!!
But it's you who's a Klan, Confederate and or Bible Belt
fundamentalist 'Christian' apologist.
%%%%% Poor child------ I'm not white aka European American!!
So? Bible Belt fundamentalist terrorists have been brainwashing you.
<--------------------------------------------bigotry
snipped -------------------------------------------------->
Now those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they
regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version
of heaven on earth, and let me remind you they are the very ones who always
create the most hellish tyranny. ------------- Barry Goldwater
Here are some Goldwater nuggets. All would be considered extremist
left-wing today.
"When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking
ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to
take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a
religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics
goodbye."
"Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless
the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no
place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known
without trying to make their views the only alternatives."
"Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life.
He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the
Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American
people and the world."
"On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no
position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs.
There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus
Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being.
But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf
should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing
throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.
They are trying to force government leaders into following their
position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a
particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss
of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political
preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want
to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do
they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right
to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a
legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who
thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll
call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every
step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all
Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "
"The rights that we have under the Constitution covers anything we
want to do, as long as its not harmful. I can't see any way in the
world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else."
"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to
be able to shoot straight."
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22 Jan 2004 09:39:20 PM |
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"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live
out
the
true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that
all
men
are created equal.' ...I have a dream that my four children will
one
day
live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of
their
skin
but by the content of their character. ...And if America is to
be a
great
nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the
prodigious
hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty
mountains of
New
York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of
Pennsylvania!
Let
freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let
freedom
ring
from
the curvaceous slopes of California! But not only that; let
freedom
ring
from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout
Mountain
of
Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of
Mississippi.
From every mountainside, let freedom ring." --Martin Luther
King,
Jr.
Editor's Note: Most quoted from Martin King's "I Have a Dream"
speech
is, "I
have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation
where
they
will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content
of
their
character." Yet today, Jesse Jackson (King's chief aide during
those
tumultuous civil rights protests) and virtually every other
black
leader
advocate for programs and policies that judge by skin color
alone,
regardless character. Irrespective of one's conclusion about
Martin
King's
proper place in history (given what we know about his personal
character
lapses, including marital infidelity, his association with known
Communists,
questions about the originality of his doctoral dissertation,
and
the
violation of his message by those who succeeded him), the two
texts
cited
below (from The Federalist Historic Documents section) are well
worth
reading -- for each of them proclaim truth.
"I HAVE A DREAM" http://federalist.com/histdocs/HaveDream.htm
"LETTER FROM BIRMINGHAM JAIL"
http://federalist.com/histdocs/BirmJail.html
But Klan, Confederates and Bible Belt fundamentalists are not well
known for their sterling charcter.
%%%% What does that have to do with Dr. King, he was a "Bible Belt
fundamentalists". Your racism is glowing bright!!
But it's you who's a Klan, Confederate and or Bible Belt
fundamentalist 'Christian' apologist.
%%%%% Poor child------ I'm not white aka European American!!
So? Bible Belt fundamentalist terrorists have been brainwashing you.
%%%% If you mean some of the greatest men in history I guess the answer is
yes.
<--------------------------------------------bigotry
snipped -------------------------------------------------->
Now those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what
they
regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own
version
of heaven on earth, and let me remind you they are the very ones who
always
create the most hellish tyranny. ------------- Barry Goldwater
Here are some Goldwater nuggets. All would be considered extremist
left-wing today.
"When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking
ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to
take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a
religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics
goodbye."
"Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless
the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no
place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known
without trying to make their views the only alternatives."
"Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life.
He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the
Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American
people and the world."
"On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no
position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs.
There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus
Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being.
But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf
should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing
throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.
They are trying to force government leaders into following their
position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a
particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss
of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political
preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want
to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do
they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right
to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a
legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who
thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll
call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every
step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all
Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "
"The rights that we have under the Constitution covers anything we
want to do, as long as its not harmful. I can't see any way in the
world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else."
"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to
be able to shoot straight."
.
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| User: "maff" |
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23 Jan 2004 06:10:29 AM |
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"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live
out
the
true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that
all
men
are created equal.' ...I have a dream that my four children will
one
day
live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of
their
skin
but by the content of their character. ...And if America is to
be a
great
nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the
prodigious
hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty
mountains of
New
York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of
Pennsylvania!
Let
freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let
freedom
ring
from
the curvaceous slopes of California! But not only that; let
freedom
ring
from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout
Mountain
of
Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of
Mississippi.
From every mountainside, let freedom ring." --Martin Luther
King,
Jr.
Editor's Note: Most quoted from Martin King's "I Have a Dream"
speech
is, "I
have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation
where
they
will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content
of
their
character." Yet today, Jesse Jackson (King's chief aide during
those
tumultuous civil rights protests) and virtually every other
black
leader
advocate for programs and policies that judge by skin color
alone,
regardless character. Irrespective of one's conclusion about
Martin
King's
proper place in history (given what we know about his personal
character
lapses, including marital infidelity, his association with known
Communists,
questions about the originality of his doctoral dissertation,
and
the
violation of his message by those who succeeded him), the two
texts
cited
below (from The Federalist Historic Documents section) are well
worth
reading -- for each of them proclaim truth.
"I HAVE A DREAM" http://federalist.com/histdocs/HaveDream.htm
"LETTER FROM BIRMINGHAM JAIL"
http://federalist.com/histdocs/BirmJail.html
But Klan, Confederates and Bible Belt fundamentalists are not well
known for their sterling charcter.
%%%% What does that have to do with Dr. King, he was a "Bible Belt
fundamentalists". Your racism is glowing bright!!
But it's you who's a Klan, Confederate and or Bible Belt
fundamentalist 'Christian' apologist.
%%%%% Poor child------ I'm not white aka European American!!
So? Bible Belt fundamentalist terrorists have been brainwashing you.
%%%% If you mean some of the greatest men in history I guess the answer is
yes.
Nope. It's the people of the world. It won't be determined by Bible
Belt fundamentalist terrorists and fellow travelers.
"We the People of the World, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of
Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the World." - The First and future hegemon
<--------------------------------------------bigotry
snipped -------------------------------------------------->
Now those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what
they
regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own
version
of heaven on earth, and let me remind you they are the very ones who
always
create the most hellish tyranny. ------------- Barry Goldwater
Here are some Goldwater nuggets. All would be considered extremist
left-wing today.
"When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking
ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to
take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a
religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics
goodbye."
"Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless
the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no
place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known
without trying to make their views the only alternatives."
"Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life.
He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the
Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American
people and the world."
"On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no
position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs.
There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus
Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being.
But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf
should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing
throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.
They are trying to force government leaders into following their
position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a
particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss
of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political
preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want
to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do
they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right
to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a
legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who
thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll
call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every
step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all
Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "
"The rights that we have under the Constitution covers anything we
want to do, as long as its not harmful. I can't see any way in the
world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else."
"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to
be able to shoot straight."
.
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
20 Jan 2004 12:50:54 AM |
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"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote:
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the
true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
all men are created equal.'
Well, I have a dream too, but I don't really think you want to hear about
Kathy Ireland and the big purple rhinoceros.
--
Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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19 Jan 2004 04:42:57 PM |
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David Moffitt wrote:
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men
are created equal.'
Tis ironic that you should quote this when you are such a noted
bigot and homophobe... constantly railing against gay people who
only want to be treated EQUALLY before the law.
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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| User: "David Moffitt weaselkiller@ prodigy.net" |
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20 Jan 2004 12:22:35 AM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
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David Moffitt wrote:
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the
true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
men
are created equal.'
Tis ironic that you should quote this when you are such a noted
bigot and homophobe... constantly railing against gay people who
only want to be treated EQUALLY before the law.
%%%% You are created equal and it is up to you to do something with it. If
you choose to abuse it or demand something different from the norm you
shouldn't ***** because people point their fingers at you and snicker!!
"[The homosexual] movement is the civil rights movement turned on its head.
When Martin Luther King came to Washington and articulated his dream on the
steps of the Lincoln memorial, he spoke of an America that would live up to
the truths and principles upon which it was founded. ... The civil rights
movement of the 1960's was about living up to and applying our principles,
not re-writing or re-inventing them. There was no tradition on which this
country was founded that Dr. King challenged. It was upon those very
traditions that he made his challenge and claim. ... Gay politics is the
child of the new political America. In a fashion quite the opposite of Dr.
King -- who challenged an unjust nation to return to the principles and
traditions from which it had strayed -- gay political operatives work to
re-write our traditions to suit their own proclivities. They say their
struggle is about equality, but it's really about the exercise of political
power and claims for entitlement." --Star Parker
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
20 Jan 2004 09:22:00 AM |
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David Moffitt wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
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David Moffitt wrote:
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the
true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
men
are created equal.'
Tis ironic that you should quote this when you are such a noted
bigot and homophobe... constantly railing against gay people who
only want to be treated EQUALLY before the law.
%%%% You are created equal and it is up to you to do something with it. If
you choose to abuse it or demand something different from the norm you
shouldn't ***** because people point their fingers at you and snicker!!
Where I live, ALL citizens are no equal. My brother and his
partner of 12 years will be married this summer and the whole family
plans to attend.
"[The homosexual] movement is the civil rights movement turned on its head.
"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and
human rights for gay and lesbian people. I've always felt that
homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free
society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy.
I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the
rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of
racial justice. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King
Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'
I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream
to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and
gay people.
Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery [and]
Selma [Alabama], in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and
many other campaigns of the civil rights movement. Many of these
courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when
they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their
contributions.
When we allow our institutions to exclude minorities from full
citizenship rights, I believe we are cooperaitng with evil.
Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of
bigotry in that it seeks to deny a large group of people their
humanity, their dignity and personhood.
This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread
all too easily to victimize the next minority group.
As Martin once said, 'We are all tied together in a single garment
of destiny, an inescapable network of mutuality. I can never be what
I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be." -
Coretta Scott King, widow of the late Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
20 Jan 2004 03:39:15 PM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote in message news:<400D4798.5010601@noSpamThanks.net>...
David Moffitt wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
news:400C5D71.1040908@noSpamThanks.net...
David Moffitt wrote:
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the
true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
men
are created equal.'
Tis ironic that you should quote this when you are such a noted
bigot and homophobe... constantly railing against gay people who
only want to be treated EQUALLY before the law.
%%%% You are created equal and it is up to you to do something with it. If
you choose to abuse it or demand something different from the norm you
shouldn't ***** because people point their fingers at you and snicker!!
Where I live, ALL citizens are no equal. My brother and his
partner of 12 years will be married this summer and the whole family
plans to attend.
"[The homosexual] movement is the civil rights movement turned on its head.
"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and
human rights for gay and lesbian people. I've always felt that
homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free
society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy.
I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the
rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of
racial justice. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King
Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'
I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream
to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and
gay people.
Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery [and]
Selma [Alabama], in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and
many other campaigns of the civil rights movement. Many of these
courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when
they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their
contributions.
When we allow our institutions to exclude minorities from full
citizenship rights, I believe we are cooperaitng with evil.
Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of
bigotry in that it seeks to deny a large group of people their
humanity, their dignity and personhood.
This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread
all too easily to victimize the next minority group.
As Martin once said, 'We are all tied together in a single garment
of destiny, an inescapable network of mutuality. I can never be what
I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be." -
Coretta Scott King, widow of the late Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
<snip>
You sodomites always like to compare yourselves with the plight of
black people! What a joke! Blacks weren't doing anything sick,
immoral and evil. They were given the shaft simply because of the
color of their skin.
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| User: "David Moffitt weaselkiller@ prodigy.net" |
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
20 Jan 2004 05:20:20 PM |
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"The Nice Mean Man" <HitherandYon@msn.com> wrote in message
news:19f5d6de.0401201339.6ea4f36a@posting.google.com...
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
news:<400D4798.5010601@noSpamThanks.net>...
David Moffitt wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote in
message
news:400C5D71.1040908@noSpamThanks.net...
David Moffitt wrote:
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out
the
true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
all
men
are created equal.'
Tis ironic that you should quote this when you are such a noted
bigot and homophobe... constantly railing against gay people who
only want to be treated EQUALLY before the law.
%%%% You are created equal and it is up to you to do something with
it. If
you choose to abuse it or demand something different from the norm you
shouldn't ***** because people point their fingers at you and
snicker!!
Where I live, ALL citizens are no equal. My brother and his
partner of 12 years will be married this summer and the whole family
plans to attend.
"[The homosexual] movement is the civil rights movement turned on its
head.
"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and
human rights for gay and lesbian people. I've always felt that
homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free
society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy.
I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the
rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of
racial justice. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King
Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'
I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream
to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and
gay people.
Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery [and]
Selma [Alabama], in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and
many other campaigns of the civil rights movement. Many of these
courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when
they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their
contributions.
When we allow our institutions to exclude minorities from full
citizenship rights, I believe we are cooperaitng with evil.
Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of
bigotry in that it seeks to deny a large group of people their
humanity, their dignity and personhood.
This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread
all too easily to victimize the next minority group.
As Martin once said, 'We are all tied together in a single garment
of destiny, an inescapable network of mutuality. I can never be what
I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be." -
Coretta Scott King, widow of the late Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
<snip>
You sodomites always like to compare yourselves with the plight of
black people! What a joke! Blacks weren't doing anything sick,
immoral and evil. They were given the shaft simply because of the
color of their skin.
%%%%% They were not given the shaft because of the color of their skin. They
were given the shaft because they were cheap (slavery) labor. Slavery still
continues today.
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
20 Jan 2004 04:36:37 PM |
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"The Nice Mean Man" <HitherandYon@msn.com> wrote in message > > <snip>
You sodomites always like to compare yourselves with the plight of
black people! What a joke! Blacks weren't doing anything sick,
immoral and evil. They were given the shaft simply because of the
color of their skin.
There is no such thing as sodomy. It is a word taken from a book of lies and
fairy tales, therefore the word has no meaning.
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| User: "KB9WFK" |
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
20 Jan 2004 05:01:11 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:36:37 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"The Nice Mean Man" <HitherandYon@msn.com> wrote in message > > <snip>
You sodomites always like to compare yourselves with the plight of
black people! What a joke! Blacks weren't doing anything sick,
immoral and evil. They were given the shaft simply because of the
color of their skin.
There is no such thing as sodomy. It is a word taken from a book of lies and
fairy tales, therefore the word has no meaning.
Huh??
kb9wfk
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| User: "David Moffitt weaselkiller@ prodigy.net" |
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
20 Jan 2004 05:22:45 PM |
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"KB9WFK" <kb9wfk@blank.com> wrote in message
news:urcr00ptd12vabgfoar000l6t47d0nqj9p@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:36:37 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"The Nice Mean Man" <HitherandYon@msn.com> wrote in message > > <snip>
You sodomites always like to compare yourselves with the plight of
black people! What a joke! Blacks weren't doing anything sick,
immoral and evil. They were given the shaft simply because of the
color of their skin.
There is no such thing as sodomy. It is a word taken from a book of lies
and
fairy tales, therefore the word has no meaning.
Huh??
kb9wfk
%%%% He is talkibng about the Bible. The Bible rejects sodomites so as a
sodimite he rejects the Bible.
.. A man who won't die for something is not fit to live---- Rev. Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
21 Jan 2004 10:24:03 AM |
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"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:9LiPb.10629$UL5.5348@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
"KB9WFK" <kb9wfk@blank.com> wrote in message
news:urcr00ptd12vabgfoar000l6t47d0nqj9p@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:36:37 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"The Nice Mean Man" <HitherandYon@msn.com> wrote in message > > <snip>
You sodomites always like to compare yourselves with the plight of
black people! What a joke! Blacks weren't doing anything sick,
immoral and evil. They were given the shaft simply because of the
color of their skin.
There is no such thing as sodomy. It is a word taken from a book of
lies
and
fairy tales, therefore the word has no meaning.
Huh??
kb9wfk
%%%% He is talkibng about the Bible. The Bible rejects sodomites so as a
sodimite he rejects the Bible.
. A man who won't die for something is not fit to live---- Rev. Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr
No, she rejects the bible because not a word of it is true.
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| User: "The Nice Mean Man" |
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
21 Jan 2004 05:27:44 PM |
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"Amelia M. Samples" <milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote in message news:<DIxPb.45288$LW.5191@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:9LiPb.10629$UL5.5348@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
"KB9WFK" <kb9wfk@blank.com> wrote in message
news:urcr00ptd12vabgfoar000l6t47d0nqj9p@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:36:37 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"The Nice Mean Man" <HitherandYon@msn.com> wrote in message > > <snip>
You sodomites always like to compare yourselves with the plight of
black people! What a joke! Blacks weren't doing anything sick,
immoral and evil. They were given the shaft simply because of the
color of their skin.
There is no such thing as sodomy. It is a word taken from a book of
lies
and
fairy tales, therefore the word has no meaning.
Huh??
kb9wfk
%%%% He is talkibng about the Bible. The Bible rejects sodomites so as a
sodimite he rejects the Bible.
. A man who won't die for something is not fit to live---- Rev. Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr
No, she rejects the bible because not a word of it is true.
How does she know that it isn't true? Did a demon tell her? It is her
opinion, not her direct knowledge, therefore it based on feeeeeelings
only. She should have responded that "in my opinion, it is a book of
lies and fairy tales". She has no absolute proof one way or the other.
Likewise, I have a feeeeling that if the Bible agreed with or promoted
sodomy, everything would be kosher.
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: " I have A Dream" |
22 Jan 2004 09:33:39 AM |
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"The Nice Mean Man" <HitherandYon@msn.com> wrote in message
news:19f5d6de.0401211527.272ce1ac@posting.google.com...
"Amelia M. Samples" <milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote in message
news:<DIxPb.45288$LW.5191@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:9LiPb.10629$UL5.5348@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
"KB9WFK" <kb9wfk@blank.com> wrote in message
news:urcr00ptd12vabgfoar000l6t47d0nqj9p@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:36:37 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"
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