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User:	"Randy Jabsco"
Date:	20 Dec 2003 06:55:16 PM
Object:	Faggots lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage

Hey faggots, I'm still confused. Help me out here. Didn't you faggots say
that the tide has changed and that EVERYONE is accepting faggots now, and
that only a few minor bigots won't accept? Didn't you say the majority of
people are accepting ***** behavior? I don't understand this article, I am
very confused. Why is it that faggots can only be accepted by imposing
their will on other people and seeking out sypathetic judges to change laws
for them? How come they can't take their case to the 'majority public' in
the voting booths? Surely if EVERYONE is accepting faggots now, they should
EASILY get these laws passed on the ballots!! Why is it that 38 states now
have a consititutional ban on ***** marriages if the majority of the voters
want otherwise? Help me out here...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/21/national/21GAY.html?ex=1073192400&en=a887ec494ccc1c01&ei=5004&partner=UNTD
Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage
The latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found widespread support for an
amendment to the United States Constitution to ban gay marriage. It also
found unease about homosexual relations in general, making the issue a
potentially divisive one for the Democrats and an opportunity for the
Republicans in the 2004 election.
Support for a constitutional amendment extends across a wide swath of the
public and includes a majority of people traditionally viewed as supportive
of gay rights, including Democrats, women and people who live on the East
Coast.
Attitudes on the subject seem to be inextricably linked to how people view
marriage itself. For a majority of Americans - 53 percent - marriage is
largely a religious matter. Seventy-one percent of those people oppose gay
marriage. Similarly, 33 percent of Americans say marriage is largely a legal
matter and a majority of those people - 55 percent - say they support gay
marriage.
The most positive feelings toward gay people were registered among
respondents under 30, and among those who knew gay people.
The nationwide poll found that 55 percent of Americans favored an amendment
to the constitution that would allow marriage only between a man and a
woman, while 40 percent opposed the idea.
The findings come after the highest court in Massachusetts ruled 4 to 3 last
month that same-sex marriage was permissible under the state's Constitution.
That ruling followed a 6-to-3 decision in late June by the United States
Supreme Court striking down antisodomy laws.
President Bush had been noncommittal about a constitutional amendment
immediately after the Massachusetts ruling, with the administration worried
that support for a ban on gay marriage would alienate moderate voters. But
last week Mr. Bush for the first time voiced his support, saying, "I will
support a constitutional amendment which would honor marriage between a man
and a woman, codify that."
The statement signals the White House's increasing confidence that it can
exploit the matter in the presidential campaign, both to energize its
evangelical supporters and to discredit the eventual Democratic nominee.
Most of the Democratic candidates oppose gay marriage but favor civil
unions. Howard Dean, who is leading in the polls for the Democratic
nomination, signed a law when he was governor of Vermont allowing civil
unions, an action that Republicans have already used to portray him as too
liberal for mainstream America.
The court rulings generated extensive publicity and concern, not only about
same-sex marriage but also about having the courts set social agendas that
have not been approved by the legislative process.
"We have found that the more people focus on it, the less they support it,"
said the Rev. Lou Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition,
which strongly opposes gay marriage and is working actively for a
constitutional ban.
The Times/CBS News poll was conducted from Dec. 10 through Dec. 13 in
telephone interviews with 1,057 people. It carries a margin of sampling
error of plus or minus three percentage points. Responses about gay rights
tend to be influenced somewhat by the wording of the questions.
This poll and other surveys show that as the courts have extended legal
rights to gays this year, Americans have become increasingly uncomfortable
with same-sex relations.
For decades, a majority of Americans have not approved of homosexual
relations. That had begun to change, until the Supreme Court ruling in June
and the Massachusetts ruling in November. A New York Times/CBS News poll
conducted in July found that 54 percent of respondents said homosexual
relations should be legal. Only 41 percent of the respondents in the latest
poll said they should be legal.
Richard Waters, 71, a retired elementary school teacher in Little Valley,
N.Y., and a Republican, said in a follow-up interview to the poll that he
strongly supported a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
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User: "Stormin Mormon"
Title: "Light Templar" rants on, while ignoring the subject line	24 Jan 2004 09:12:59 PM

"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:17:02 -0600, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:

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Did Dr. King dream this?

--

Christopher A. Young
Jesus: The Reason for the Season
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com

"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
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%%%% No I refuse to because it is a sick, perverted, putrid and

abominable

act that distributes a fatal disease. Some people will do

anything

for

orgasm.

Thanks for proving his point.

%%%% Yes I did say it was a chioce that both of you took.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a

rifle

behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

What does gay marriage have to do with Dr. Martin Luther King?

%%%% Nothing but a homosexual brought up the question and not a normal
person.

Your biases are showing...you probably live, work, or even go to church

to one of us without even knowing it.

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists

are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation

just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is

the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad -

the

Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being replaced.
You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

Just as the Gene Runyon Society, and "Fresh Petals" is composed of
heterosexuals. Both groups represent a SMALL fraction of each sexuality.
.

User: "Gunner"
Title: Re: " I have A Dream" (revised for 2004)	25 Jan 2004 01:43:13 AM

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:46:06 GMT, strabo <strabo@flashmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:17:02 -0600, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:

"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"Amelia M. Samples" <milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote in message
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-spamblock-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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%%%% No I refuse to because it is a sick, perverted, putrid and

abominable

act that distributes a fatal disease. Some people will do anything

for

orgasm.

Thanks for proving his point.

%%%% Yes I did say it was a chioce that both of you took.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle
behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

What does gay marriage have to do with Dr. Martin Luther King?

%%%% Nothing but a homosexual brought up the question and not a normal
person.

Your biases are showing...you probably live, work, or even go to church next
to one of us without even knowing it.

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians in

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is to
the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad - the
Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being replaced.
You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

Actually not. Its composed of Pedophiles. While similar..they are not
the same. A Pedophile has no sexual desire for an adult male, only
children below a certain age. Many if not most peds are married or
priests
Gunner
" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives
.

User: "Fritz"
Title: Re: " I have A Dream" (revised for 2004)	25 Jan 2004 11:02:41 AM

Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians in

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Religion = dictator.
.

User: "Stormin Mormon"
Title: "Fritz" on child molestors	25 Jan 2004 12:51:17 PM

"Fritz" <fsmith@25554clpl.net> wrote in message
news:4013F6B1.5D5D663C@25554clpl.net...
Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists

are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation

just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is

the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad -

the

Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being

replaced.

You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Religion = dictator.
.

User: "Throatwarbler Mangrove"
Title: Re: "Fritz" on child molestors	26 Jan 2004 11:37:24 AM

Here's what Fritz has to say about NAMBLA-
"I see you don't know what NAMBLA is all about, and I'm not here
to defend them. But, it's an organization of gay men loving younger
gay boys."

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:51:17 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-spamblock-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<bv13oa$mp2ac$1@ID-216852.news.uni-berlin.de>:

"Fritz" <fsmith@25554clpl.net> wrote in message
news:4013F6B1.5D5D663C@25554clpl.net...
Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists

are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation

just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is

the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad -

the

Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being

replaced.

You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?

---------------------
Jesus had himself killed because he needed the publicity.
.

User: "Fritz"
Title: Re: "Fritz" on child molestors	26 Jan 2004 03:50:54 PM

Throatwarbler Mangrove wrote:

Here's what Fritz has to say about NAMBLA-

"I see you don't know what NAMBLA is all about, and I'm not here
to defend them. But, it's an organization of gay men loving younger
gay boys."

Yes, I think that was it's original intent.
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Religion = dictator.
.

User: "Fritz"
Title: Re: Stormin Mormon responce?	26 Jan 2004 03:47:35 PM

Stormin Mormon wrote:

"Fritz" <fsmith@25554clpl.net> wrote in message
news:4013F6B1.5D5D663C@25554clpl.net...
Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists

are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation

just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is

the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad -

the

Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being

replaced.

You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?

You do know there are more little girls molested in this
world, than little boys?
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Religion = dictator.
.

User: "Gunner"
Title: Re: " I have A Dream" (revised for 2004)	25 Jan 2004 02:24:18 PM

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:41 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@25554clpl.net>
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians in

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?

No..Nambla is composed of men who like little boys. There are other
groups devoted to men who like little girls.
Both are scum, but words do mean something.
Gunner
"As physicists now know, there is some nonzero probability that any object will, through quantum effects, tunnel from the workbench in your shop to Floyds Knobs, Indiana (unless your shop is already in Indiana, in which case the object will tunnel to Trotters, North Dakota). The smaller mass of the object, the higher the probability. Therefore, disassembled parts, particularly small ones, of machines disappear much faster than assembled machines."
Greg Dermer: rec.crafts.metalworking
.

User: "Ward Stewart"
Title: Re: " I have A Dream" (revised for 2004)	26 Jan 2004 02:59:54 AM

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:24:18 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:41 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@25554clpl.net>
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians in

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?

No..Nambla is composed of men who like little boys. There are other
groups devoted to men who like little girls.

Both are scum, but words do mean something.

Gunner

Words do, indeed, mean something and there is little evidence that you
have any useful understanding of what the words in this discussion
mean!
ward
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come"
Victor Hugo.
----------------------------------------------------------
.

User: "Stormin Mormon"
Title: "Ward Stewart" still off topic	26 Jan 2004 08:42:04 AM

"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:l3m910988f949cr22739t8kai0iaqrjl3h@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:24:18 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:41 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@25554clpl.net>
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists

are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.'

....We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the

barbarians in

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child

molestation is

just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first

century." --Charles

Colson

That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla

is to

the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people.

Right

wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad -

the

Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being

replaced.

You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?

No..Nambla is composed of men who like little boys. There are other
groups devoted to men who like little girls.

Both are scum, but words do mean something.

Gunner

User: "Gunner"
Title: Re: " I have A Dream" (revised for 2004)	26 Jan 2004 04:05:46 AM

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:59:54 GMT, Ward Stewart
<wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:24:18 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:41 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@25554clpl.net>
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians in

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?

No..Nambla is composed of men who like little boys. There are other
groups devoted to men who like little girls.

Both are scum, but words do mean something.

Gunner

Words do, indeed, mean something and there is little evidence that you
have any useful understanding of what the words in this discussion
mean!

ward

Doncha just hate it when you get your fingers slapped? Really pisses
you off doesnt it.
Deal with it, if you continue to post into misc.survivalism. We dont
tolerate fools such as yourself easily.
Gunner
"As physicists now know, there is some nonzero probability that any object will,
through quantum effects, tunnel from the workbench in your shop to Floyds Knobs,
Indiana (unless your shop is already in Indiana, in which case the object will
tunnel to Trotters, North Dakota).
The smaller mass of the object, the higher the probability.
Therefore, disassembled parts, particularly small ones,
of machines disappear much faster than assembled machines."
Greg Dermer: rec.crafts.metalworking
.

User: "Fritz"
Title: Re: " I have A Dream" (revised for 2004)	26 Jan 2004 03:53:50 PM

Gunner wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:59:54 GMT, Ward Stewart
<wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:24:18 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:41 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@25554clpl.net>
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians in

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?

No..Nambla is composed of men who like little boys. There are other
groups devoted to men who like little girls.

Both are scum, but words do mean something.

Gunner

Words do, indeed, mean something and there is little evidence that you
have any useful understanding of what the words in this discussion
mean!

ward

Doncha just hate it when you get your fingers slapped? Really pisses
you off doesnt it.

Deal with it, if you continue to post into misc.survivalism. We dont
tolerate fools such as yourself easily.

Then stop responding, and the thread will disappear.
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Religion = dictator.
.

User: "Stormin Mormon"
Title: Re: " I have A Dream" (revised for 2004)	27 Jan 2004 09:14:05 AM

This has totally nothing to do with the original subject which was under the
subject line. So, I guess I'll have to repost the original subject.
I Have A White Man's Dream
by Stormin Mormon
Delivered on the Usenet on Jan 21, 2004
Some years ago, a great American, Abraham Lincoln signed
the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon
light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames
of
withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of
captivity.
But years later, we must face the tragic fact that not only the
Negro is still not free. Years later, the life of the white man is still
sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of
discrimination. The White Man on a lonely island of fear in the midst of a
vast ocean of "Political correctness". White Christian Male is still
languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in
his own land.
So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense
we
have come to Usenet to cash a check. When the architects of our
republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration
of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American
was to fall heir.
This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable
rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today
that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens
without color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation,
America has given the white man a bad check which has come back marked
"insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is
bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the
great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this
check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the
security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind
America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the
luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now
is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of political
correctness to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open
the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift
our nation from the quicksands of "Political Correctness" to the solid rock
of brotherhood.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and
to
underestimate the determination of the White Christian Male. This sweltering
summer of the White Christian Male's legitimate discontent will not pass
until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Two thousand
and four is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the White
Christian Male needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a
rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be
neither rest nor tranquility in America until the White Christain Male is
granted his citizenship rights.
The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our
nation
until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must
say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the
palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not
be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for
freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and
discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into
physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of
meeting physical force with prayer force.
The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the White Christian male
community must not lead us to distrust of all "Politically correct" people,
for many of our elected brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today,
have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and
their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.
We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall
march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the
devotees of Christian rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be
satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot
express the truth without being called racist. We cannot be satisfied as
long as
the White Christian Male's right of free speech is met at every turn by
screams of "you're a racist". We can never be satisfied as long as a White
Christian Male is refused jobs time and time again so that companies can
hire less qualified people of color in order to satisfy the demands of a
government who believes that the only way to repay the injustices of
yesteryear is to mandate injustices in the present day. No, no, we are not
satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters
and righteousness like a mighty stream.
I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and
tribulations. Some of you have been denied jobs which were given to less
qualified people. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for
freedom of speech left you battered by the storms of persecution and
staggered by the winds of police and "politically correct" brutality. You
have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the
faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.
Go back to your company's personnel department, go back to Washington, go
back to your towns, go back to your wives and families, go back to the media
outlets, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us
not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in
spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a
dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true
meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men
are created equal; not that people of color are more equal than White
Christian Males." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia
the sons of "Political Correct" and the sons of white men who speak the
truth about racial issues will be able to sit down together at a table of
brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Washington DC, a
desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be
transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my
four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be
judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I
have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day the state of Washington, whose legislation is
presently dripping with slurs of racism for those white men who tell the
truth, will be transformed into a nation where people can speak the truth,
in gentleness, and not be called "racists". People will walk together as
sisters and brothers. People will see others as people, not quotas, agendas,
or "affirmative action" or "minority hiring status".
I have a dream that one day men of color will face the consequences of their
own actions without accusing white police and judical people of being
racist. I have a dream that one day a white person can walk through any
street in any city, and meet only polite people who are friendly and
helpful. I have a dream that one day the police departments in colored
sections of cities will be reduced to school crossing guards and giving
lollipops to well behaved children because no longer will the men living in
ghettos buy or sell drugs. No longer will teens spray paint buildings, or
wear gold. A pager will be a symbol of a working man, who answers service
calls, not a symbol of a drug dealer. No longer will white people need to
worry about being mugged by teens in the ghettos, because those teens will
be at home with their mothers, reading school books and furthering their
education. I have a dream that no longer will the white man be accosted by
people saying "gimmie dollah massah" because all people regardless of the
color of their skin will work at gainful employment to feed themselves and
their families. I have a dream that no longer will the man of color accept
the chains and dog leash of "The Man" by accepting the degrading welfare
checks. Have we not had enough of people living on the Southern plantations?
No longer will men need to beg "Massah" for an increase in food stamps and
WIC. Men will live lives of honor, keeping their bodies and minds clean and
strong and healthy, and working their days in gainful and honorable
employment, as so many generations before have done.
I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be
exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be
made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of
the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. We shall
see the day when people are people, regardless of the color of their skin,
or the nation of their ancestors. This is our hope. This is the faith with
which I return to Washington. With this faith we will be able to hew out of
the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to
transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of
brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray
together, to struggle together, to fight crime together, to stand up for
freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a
new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I
sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every
mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation,
this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of
New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let
freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom
ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the
curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from
Washington DC! Let freedom ring from California! Let freedom ring from every
hill and every molehill of Masssachusets. From every mountainside, let
freedom ring. When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every
village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able
to speed up that day when all of God's children, will be able to join hands
and sing in the words of the old spiritual, "Free at last! free at last!
thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
--
Christopher A. Young
Jesus: The Reason for the Season
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"Fritz" <fsmith@5ae2dbcpl.net> wrote in message
news:40158C6E.DE6CC05F@5ae2dbcpl.net...
Gunner wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:59:54 GMT, Ward Stewart
<wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:24:18 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:41 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@25554clpl.net>
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay

activists are

now

openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.'

....We

can't

afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the

barbarians in

our

midst are able to convince the American people that child

molestation is

just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first

century." --Charles

Colson

That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community.

Nambla is to

the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people.

Right

wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look

bad - the

Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks

were...and

fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being

replaced.

You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will

defend

NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

I guess you're talking about the ones that molest the little girls?

No..Nambla is composed of men who like little boys. There are other
groups devoted to men who like little girls.

Both are scum, but words do mean something.

Gunner

Words do, indeed, mean something and there is little evidence that you
have any useful understanding of what the words in this discussion
mean!

ward

Doncha just hate it when you get your fingers slapped? Really pisses
you off doesnt it.

Deal with it, if you continue to post into misc.survivalism. We dont
tolerate fools such as yourself easily.

Then stop responding, and the thread will disappear.
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Religion = dictator.
.

User: "strabo"
Title: Re: " I have A Dream" (revised for 2004)	28 Jan 2004 02:59:36 AM

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:43:13 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:46:06 GMT, strabo <strabo@flashmail.com> wrote:

Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.

http://www.nambla1.de/

Pedophilia is an important psychological distinction, but it
is not the only salient component of this organization.
It's a sensitive subject but the