Religions > Atheism > Faggots lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage
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"Randy Jabsco" |
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20 Dec 2003 06:55:16 PM |
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Faggots lose again - Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage |
Hey faggots, I'm still confused. Help me out here. Didn't you faggots say
that the tide has changed and that EVERYONE is accepting faggots now, and
that only a few minor bigots won't accept? Didn't you say the majority of
people are accepting ***** behavior? I don't understand this article, I am
very confused. Why is it that faggots can only be accepted by imposing
their will on other people and seeking out sypathetic judges to change laws
for them? How come they can't take their case to the 'majority public' in
the voting booths? Surely if EVERYONE is accepting faggots now, they should
EASILY get these laws passed on the ballots!! Why is it that 38 states now
have a consititutional ban on ***** marriages if the majority of the voters
want otherwise? Help me out here...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/21/national/21GAY.html?ex=1073192400&en=a887ec494ccc1c01&ei=5004&partner=UNTD
Strong Support Is Found for Ban on Gay Marriage
The latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found widespread support for an
amendment to the United States Constitution to ban gay marriage. It also
found unease about homosexual relations in general, making the issue a
potentially divisive one for the Democrats and an opportunity for the
Republicans in the 2004 election.
Support for a constitutional amendment extends across a wide swath of the
public and includes a majority of people traditionally viewed as supportive
of gay rights, including Democrats, women and people who live on the East
Coast.
Attitudes on the subject seem to be inextricably linked to how people view
marriage itself. For a majority of Americans - 53 percent - marriage is
largely a religious matter. Seventy-one percent of those people oppose gay
marriage. Similarly, 33 percent of Americans say marriage is largely a legal
matter and a majority of those people - 55 percent - say they support gay
marriage.
The most positive feelings toward gay people were registered among
respondents under 30, and among those who knew gay people.
The nationwide poll found that 55 percent of Americans favored an amendment
to the constitution that would allow marriage only between a man and a
woman, while 40 percent opposed the idea.
The findings come after the highest court in Massachusetts ruled 4 to 3 last
month that same-sex marriage was permissible under the state's Constitution.
That ruling followed a 6-to-3 decision in late June by the United States
Supreme Court striking down antisodomy laws.
President Bush had been noncommittal about a constitutional amendment
immediately after the Massachusetts ruling, with the administration worried
that support for a ban on gay marriage would alienate moderate voters. But
last week Mr. Bush for the first time voiced his support, saying, "I will
support a constitutional amendment which would honor marriage between a man
and a woman, codify that."
The statement signals the White House's increasing confidence that it can
exploit the matter in the presidential campaign, both to energize its
evangelical supporters and to discredit the eventual Democratic nominee.
Most of the Democratic candidates oppose gay marriage but favor civil
unions. Howard Dean, who is leading in the polls for the Democratic
nomination, signed a law when he was governor of Vermont allowing civil
unions, an action that Republicans have already used to portray him as too
liberal for mainstream America.
The court rulings generated extensive publicity and concern, not only about
same-sex marriage but also about having the courts set social agendas that
have not been approved by the legislative process.
"We have found that the more people focus on it, the less they support it,"
said the Rev. Lou Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition,
which strongly opposes gay marriage and is working actively for a
constitutional ban.
The Times/CBS News poll was conducted from Dec. 10 through Dec. 13 in
telephone interviews with 1,057 people. It carries a margin of sampling
error of plus or minus three percentage points. Responses about gay rights
tend to be influenced somewhat by the wording of the questions.
This poll and other surveys show that as the courts have extended legal
rights to gays this year, Americans have become increasingly uncomfortable
with same-sex relations.
For decades, a majority of Americans have not approved of homosexual
relations. That had begun to change, until the Supreme Court ruling in June
and the Massachusetts ruling in November. A New York Times/CBS News poll
conducted in July found that 54 percent of respondents said homosexual
relations should be legal. Only 41 percent of the respondents in the latest
poll said they should be legal.
Richard Waters, 71, a retired elementary school teacher in Little Valley,
N.Y., and a Republican, said in a follow-up interview to the poll that he
strongly supported a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
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27 Jan 2004 08:42:26 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:47:07 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@5ae2dbcpl.net>
wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:50:56 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote:
BettyBupe wrote:
"maf 1029" <maf@sp.am> wrote in message
news:li6b10dn378sqrmhf8if8kg2ggnt2nn6ck@4ax.com...
Yo, Florass:
You have some unanswered questions from quite some time ago. Please
endeavor to clean up after yourself, by answering just a few simple
questions, which you neglected to do a while back. TIA.
What do socialized medicine and greedy doctors have to do with your
LIE that homosexuality creates victims?
Wow, he IS a liar! Homosexuality creates victims all on its own,
Please explain how consensual, adult, homosexual relationships
create victims. TIA.
If you were to ask most Heterosexual males who they are they will
answer with something like Father, husband, Doctor, Democrat, trout
fisherman or some such identity. Ask the same question to a Homosexual
and his answer would be homosexual. Most Homosexuals assign themselves
a master status that they themselves feel is being giving a second
class status by society.
Aside from this not being true, what does it have to do with anything?
See Robert K. Merton and/or theories on social deviance.
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"I suspect that the problem is not with those that believe that there is a
heaven above but with those that believe that there can be a heaven here
on earth." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
"Madmen reason rightly from the wrong premisis" -- Locke
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
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| User: "Fritz" |
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27 Jan 2004 11:59:52 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:47:07 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@5ae2dbcpl.net>
wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:50:56 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote:
BettyBupe wrote:
"maf 1029" <maf@sp.am> wrote in message
news:li6b10dn378sqrmhf8if8kg2ggnt2nn6ck@4ax.com...
Yo, Florass:
You have some unanswered questions from quite some time ago. Please
endeavor to clean up after yourself, by answering just a few simple
questions, which you neglected to do a while back. TIA.
What do socialized medicine and greedy doctors have to do with your
LIE that homosexuality creates victims?
Wow, he IS a liar! Homosexuality creates victims all on its own,
Please explain how consensual, adult, homosexual relationships
create victims. TIA.
If you were to ask most Heterosexual males who they are they will
answer with something like Father, husband, Doctor, Democrat, trout
fisherman or some such identity. Ask the same question to a Homosexual
and his answer would be homosexual. Most Homosexuals assign themselves
a master status that they themselves feel is being giving a second
class status by society.
Aside from this not being true, what does it have to do with anything?
See Robert K. Merton and/or theories on social deviance.
You read it, I only read things I agree with.
I've been on usenet too long, I'm beginning to sound like a christian.
--
Fritz
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Religion = dictator.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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27 Jan 2004 12:27:50 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:59:52 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@5ae2dbcpl.net>
wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:47:07 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@5ae2dbcpl.net>
wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:50:56 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@noSpamThanks.net> wrote:
BettyBupe wrote:
"maf 1029" <maf@sp.am> wrote in message
news:li6b10dn378sqrmhf8if8kg2ggnt2nn6ck@4ax.com...
Yo, Florass:
You have some unanswered questions from quite some time ago. Please
endeavor to clean up after yourself, by answering just a few simple
questions, which you neglected to do a while back. TIA.
What do socialized medicine and greedy doctors have to do with your
LIE that homosexuality creates victims?
Wow, he IS a liar! Homosexuality creates victims all on its own,
Please explain how consensual, adult, homosexual relationships
create victims. TIA.
If you were to ask most Heterosexual males who they are they will
answer with something like Father, husband, Doctor, Democrat, trout
fisherman or some such identity. Ask the same question to a Homosexual
and his answer would be homosexual. Most Homosexuals assign themselves
a master status that they themselves feel is being giving a second
class status by society.
Aside from this not being true, what does it have to do with anything?
See Robert K. Merton and/or theories on social deviance.
You read it, I only read things I agree with.
Many years ago.
I've been on usenet too long, I'm beginning to sound like a christian.
I don't think that many would accuse you of that.
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"I suspect that the problem is not with those that believe that there is a
heaven above but with those that believe that there can be a heaven here
on earth." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
"Madmen reason rightly from the wrong premisis" -- Locke
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Letao" |
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27 Jan 2004 12:37:06 PM |
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In article <4016770a.2091637@news.verizon.net>,
(Captain Compassion) wrote:
If you were to ask most Heterosexual males who they are they will
answer with something like Father, husband, Doctor, Democrat, trout
fisherman or some such identity. Ask the same question to a Homosexual
and his answer would be homosexual. Most Homosexuals assign themselves
a master status that they themselves feel is being giving a second
class status by society.
Aside from this not being true, what does it have to do with anything?
See Robert K. Merton and/or theories on social deviance.
Let me guess...they say it's socially deviant. And you agree with them.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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27 Jan 2004 08:25:54 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:37:06 GMT, Letao <letao@fire.and.fishing.net>
wrote:
In article <4016770a.2091637@news.verizon.net>,
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net (Captain Compassion) wrote:
If you were to ask most Heterosexual males who they are they will
answer with something like Father, husband, Doctor, Democrat, trout
fisherman or some such identity. Ask the same question to a Homosexual
and his answer would be homosexual. Most Homosexuals assign themselves
a master status that they themselves feel is being giving a second
class status by society.
Aside from this not being true, what does it have to do with anything?
See Robert K. Merton and/or theories on social deviance.
Let me guess...they say it's socially deviant. And you agree with them.
They actually make no value judgement. They only point out that
deviance is defined by either society, the group or both. Personally I
consider Homosexuality within the expected range of human behavior.
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"I suspect that the problem is not with those that believe that there is a
heaven above but with those that believe that there can be a heaven here
on earth." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
"Madmen reason rightly from the wrong premisis" -- Locke
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Dr. Mary Catherine, Rectologist " |
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26 Jan 2004 10:09:54 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:07:24 GMT, "BettyBupe" <BettyB@AccessUSA.net>
wrote:
"maf 1029" <maf@sp.am> wrote in message
news:li6b10dn378sqrmhf8if8kg2ggnt2nn6ck@4ax.com...
Yo, Florass:
You have some unanswered questions from quite some time ago. Please
endeavor to clean up after yourself, by answering just a few simple
questions, which you neglected to do a while back. TIA.
What do socialized medicine and greedy doctors have to do with your
LIE that homosexuality creates victims?
Wow, he IS a liar! Homosexuality creates victims all on its own,
Please feel free to show how a non-action can create victims. Or
anything for that matter.
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| User: "eflorack" |
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27 Jan 2004 04:27:58 PM |
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maf 1029 <maf@sp.am> wrote in message news:<li6b10dn378sqrmhf8if8kg2ggnt2nn6ck@4ax.com>...
On 26 Jan 2004 11:04:01 -0800, (eflorack)
wrote:
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net (Captain Compassion) wrote in message news:<401490d1.3278764@news.verizon.net>...
"Madmen reason rightly from the wrong premisis" -- Locke
So, Democrats are madmen?
(Shrug) I can live with that description, I guess.
Yo, Florass:
You have some unanswered questions from quite some time ago. Please
endeavor to clean up after yourself, by answering just a few simple
questions, which you neglected to do a while back. TIA.
What do socialized medicine and greedy doctors have to do with your
LIE that homosexuality creates victims?
Why are there no laws guaranteeing that all people have a right to any
sexual activity?
Also, please define lifestyle while you're at it. And don't forget to
provide those cites for the APA official position on homosexuality,
the stats and peer reviewed analysis and assessment of "conversion
therapy," and illustrate that you understand the term "consensual
behavior."
Also, please remember to include your definitions of normal/abnormal,
well/healthy. Also, please include your criteria for healthy.
And please provide the parameters ofr mental illness.
And now we can add in: please provide cites for your assertion that
Nicolosi's and Cameron's cridentials were removed from them in a
political move that had nothing to do with their lack of scientific
credibility and academic honsesty.
Didn't want these issues to hang in the air too long.
TA!!
maf and dog, aa # 1954
What the hell are you smoking?
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| User: "banjocat" |
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28 Jan 2004 01:57:53 PM |
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(eflorack) wrote in message news:<bd154db5.0401271427.183c574b@posting.google.com>...
maf 1029 <maf@sp.am> wrote in message news:<li6b10dn378sqrmhf8if8kg2ggnt2nn6ck@4ax.com>...
On 26 Jan 2004 11:04:01 -0800, (eflorack)
wrote:
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net (Captain Compassion) wrote in message news:<401490d1.3278764@news.verizon.net>...
"Madmen reason rightly from the wrong premisis" -- Locke
So, Democrats are madmen?
(Shrug) I can live with that description, I guess.
Yo, Florass:
You have some unanswered questions from quite some time ago. Please
endeavor to clean up after yourself, by answering just a few simple
questions, which you neglected to do a while back. TIA.
What do socialized medicine and greedy doctors have to do with your
LIE that homosexuality creates victims?
Why are there no laws guaranteeing that all people have a right to any
sexual activity?
Also, please define lifestyle while you're at it. And don't forget to
provide those cites for the APA official position on homosexuality,
the stats and peer reviewed analysis and assessment of "conversion
therapy," and illustrate that you understand the term "consensual
behavior."
Also, please remember to include your definitions of normal/abnormal,
well/healthy. Also, please include your criteria for healthy.
And please provide the parameters ofr mental illness.
And now we can add in: please provide cites for your assertion that
Nicolosi's and Cameron's cridentials were removed from them in a
political move that had nothing to do with their lack of scientific
credibility and academic honsesty.
Didn't want these issues to hang in the air too long.
TA!!
maf and dog, aa # 1954
What the hell are you smoking?
LOL... Floorcrack can't face adversity. It scares the hell out of him.
That's why you see this knee-jerk *you're on drugs* diversion tactic.
Floorcrack always ducks questions when he gets caught up in his lies.
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| User: "strabo" |
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28 Jan 2004 02:16:16 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:23:25 GMT, Ward Stewart
<wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:46:06 GMT, strabo <strabo@flashmail.com> wrote:
<snipped>
That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is to
the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad - the
Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being replaced.
You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.
Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.
http://www.nambla1.de/
Nambla is composed of very nasty pedophiles as is the "Rene Guyon" --
one must wonder why you are all huffy over one group of perverts and
unable to see the evil in the other?
There is NOTHING in Nambla to be compared, even remotely, to the
nastiness of "heterosexual" pursuit of female children. If you have
even the remotest doubt, Google on the key word "Lolita" and no fewer
that 12,900.000 responses are found -- either there are an abundance
of such pedophiles or Vladimir Nabokov's odd book has captivated the
entire world,
ward
The immediate issue was NAMBLA.
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"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for
women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political
movement that encourages women to leave their husbands,
kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
capitalism and become lesbians."
Pat Robertson, Aug 23, 1993
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| User: "Fritz" |
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25 Jan 2004 10:59:47 AM |
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strabo wrote:
"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists are
now
openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We
can't
afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians in
our
midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson
That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is to
the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad - the
Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being replaced.
You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.
Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.
That doesn't mean that all homosexuals approve of it.
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Fritz
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Religion = dictator.
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| User: "Stormin Mormon" |
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25 Jan 2004 12:50:49 PM |
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"Fritz" <fsmith@25554clpl.net> wrote in message
news:4013F603.E79E689F@25554clpl.net...
strabo wrote:
"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists
are
now
openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We
can't
afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians
in
our
midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation
is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson
That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is
to
the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad -
the
Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being replaced.
You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.
Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.
That doesn't mean that all homosexuals approve of it.
--
Fritz
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Religion = dictator.
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| User: "Throatwarbler Mangrove" |
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26 Jan 2004 11:37:03 AM |
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Here's what Fritz has to say about NAMBLA-
"I see you don't know what NAMBLA is all about, and I'm not here
to defend them. But, it's an organization of gay men loving younger
gay boys."
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:50:49 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-spamblock-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<bv135e$mtlfv$3@ID-216852.news.uni-berlin.de>:
"Fritz" <fsmith@25554clpl.net> wrote in message
news:4013F603.E79E689F@25554clpl.net...
strabo wrote:
"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists
are
now
openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We
can't
afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians
in
our
midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation
is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson
That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is
to
the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad -
the
Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being replaced.
You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.
Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.
That doesn't mean that all homosexuals approve of it.
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Jesus had himself killed because he needed the publicity.
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| User: "strabo" |
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28 Jan 2004 03:03:14 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:59:47 -0500, Fritz <fsmith@25554clpl.net>
wrote:
strabo wrote:
"Most Americans view pedophilia as an abomination. But gay activists are
now
openly advocating it, calling it 'inter-generational intimacy.' ...We
can't
afford to keep silent about this issue. God help us if the barbarians in
our
midst are able to convince the American people that child molestation is
just another fashionable trend of the twenty-first century." --Charles
Colson
That is certainly not the stance of the entire gay community. Nambla is to
the gay community what the Rene Guyon group is to straight people. Right
wing pundits have tried to fuse the two groups to make gays look bad - the
Guyon society was far more "popular" than the NAMBLA kooks were...and
fortunately, members of both groups are dying off and not being replaced.
You're not going to find anyone in the gay community that will defend
NAMBLA - we'd like them gone as much as you would.
Get real. NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
is composed of homosexuals.
That doesn't mean that all homosexuals approve of it.
Of course not. I doubt that most do.
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23 Jan 2004 05:42:56 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:16:52 -0600, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-spamblock-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bur8so$l5vob$7@ID-216852.news.uni-berlin.de...
Did Dr. King dream this?
--
Christopher A. Young
Jesus: The Reason for the Season
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
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%%%% No I refuse to because it is a sick, perverted, putrid and
abominable
act that distributes a fatal disease. Some people will do anything for
an
orgasm.
Thanks for proving his point.
%%%% Yes I did say it was a chioce that both of you took.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle
behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
What does gay marriage have to do with Dr. Martin Luther King?
What does intolerance and discrimination have to do with MLK?
ward
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"All forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally
wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans
everywhere," the widow of Martin Luther King Jr. told
activists gathered for the National Gay and Lesbian
Task Force’s 13th annual Creating Change conference.
She continued: "I appeal to everyone who believes in
Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the
table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian
and gay people."
Coretta Scott King
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| User: "David Moffitt weaselkiller@ prodigy.net" |
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23 Jan 2004 07:48:30 PM |
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"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2nc310hpe1g3hv31tviclet94s9jledqvg@4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:16:52 -0600, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-spamblock-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Did Dr. King dream this?
--
Christopher A. Young
Jesus: The Reason for the Season
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
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%%%% No I refuse to because it is a sick, perverted, putrid and
abominable
act that distributes a fatal disease. Some people will do anything
for
an
orgasm.
Thanks for proving his point.
%%%% Yes I did say it was a chioce that both of you took.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle
behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
What does gay marriage have to do with Dr. Martin Luther King?
What does intolerance and discrimination have to do with MLK?
%%%% He was a civil rights leader against racial intolerence and
discrimination for black people.
ward
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"All forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally
wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans
everywhere," the widow of Martin Luther King Jr. told
activists gathered for the National Gay and Lesbian
Task Force's 13th annual Creating Change conference.
She continued: "I appeal to everyone who believes in
Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the
table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian
and gay people."
Coretta Scott King
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24 Jan 2004 11:18:09 AM |
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"Ward Stewart" <wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:16:52 -0600, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-spamblock-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bur8so$l5vob$7@ID-216852.news.uni-berlin.de...
Did Dr. King dream this?
--
Christopher A. Young
Jesus: The Reason for the Season
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:BS0Qb.27778$rV7.13126@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
%%%% No I refuse to because it is a sick, perverted, putrid and
abominable
act that distributes a fatal disease. Some people will do anything
for
an
orgasm.
Thanks for proving his point.
%%%% Yes I did say it was a chioce that both of you took.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle
behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
What does gay marriage have to do with Dr. Martin Luther King?
What does intolerance and discrimination have to do with MLK?
True enough, thank you. I was just seeing the discussion slide off to one
side, and I was too itchy with my on-topic trigger finger.
ward
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"All forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally
wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans
everywhere," the widow of Martin Luther King Jr. told
activists gathered for the National Gay and Lesbian
Task Force's 13th annual Creating Change conference.
She continued: "I appeal to everyone who believes in
Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the
table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian
and gay people."
Coretta Scott King
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24 Jan 2004 02:03:34 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:18:09 -0600, "Amelia M. Samples"
<milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
What does intolerance and discrimination have to do with MLK?
True enough, thank you. I was just seeing the discussion slide off to one
side, and I was too itchy with my on-topic trigger finger.
You seem to have a 1/2 ounce trigger. You really need to be a hell of
a lot more careful.
Gunner
" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives
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Dr. King did speak extensively on discrimination. I'll repost the text of
his message. I hope you can see how off topic you are, and that you should
change subject lines to reflect the message body of the text.
http://www.mecca.org/~crights/dream.html
I Have A Dream"I Have A Dream"
by Martin Luther King, Jr,
Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August
28, 1963. Source: Martin Luther King, Jr: The Peaceful Warrior, Pocket
Books, NY 1968
Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand
signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great
beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the
flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long
night of captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic
fact that the Negro is still not free.
One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by
the
manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years
later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast
ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still
languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in
his own land.
So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense
we
have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of
our
republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration
of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American
was to fall heir.
This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable
rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today
that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens
of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America
has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked
"insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is
bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the
great vaults of opportunity of this nation.
So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand
the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this
hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no
time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing
drug of
gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of
segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open
the
doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our
nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of
brotherhood.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and
to
underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the
Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating
autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a
beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will
now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business
as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the
Negro is granted his citizenship rights.
The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our
nation
until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must
say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace
of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be
guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom
by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and
discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into
physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of
meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which
has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white
people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here
today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny
and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk
alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We
cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil
rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be satisfied as long as
our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the
motels
of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long
as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We
can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a
Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are
not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like
waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.
I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and
tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you
have
come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms
of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been
the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that
unearned suffering is redemptive.
Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to
Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing
that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in
the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the
difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a
dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true
meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men
are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia
the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to
sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day
even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of
injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and
justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation
where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content
of their character. I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are
presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will
be
transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be
able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together
as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day
every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low,
the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made
straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall
see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to
the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of
despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the
jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood.
With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to
struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together,
knowing that we will be free one day. This will be the day when all of God's
children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee,
sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of
the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if
America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring
from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the
mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening
Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of
Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not
only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring
from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and
every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every
hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that
day
when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles,
Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words
of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty,
we are free at last!"
--
Christopher A. Young
Jesus: The Reason for the Season
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
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