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"J Young" |
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12 Nov 2006 10:52:39 PM |
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Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=10633&department=CFI&categoryid=papers
Josh is 13 and, like many kids his age, he's often unhappy. Everything about
his life is uncertain. He's only 5 feet 4 inches tall, and many of the girls
in his middle-school class are taller. He has no idea how his body will end
up. Will he be tall, short, plain, handsome? He's slightly overweight and
hasn't found a sport he excels in. He only has two or three close friends.
Sometimes his voice changes an entire octave, up or down, at a moment's
notice. He's an average student, and he sometimes dreads going to school
because it doesn't interest him much.
On top of all this, Josh has troubles at home. His parents don't get along.
His father works long hours, and his mother yells a lot. She's stressed out
over unpaid bills, problems with his older sister, who sometimes uses drugs,
and her own ongoing treatment for depression. They don't have family dinners
except around holidays, and they haven't been on a family vacation in two
years. Josh can't remember the last time he had a conversation with either
parent involving more than two sentences.
In other words, Josh is a lot like many American adolescents. His family has
only casual ties to a church, and his parents consider themselves moderate
politically, when they have time or interest to think about it.
Josh's standards are being formed largely not by parents of high character,
but by the American culture, including television, his public school and the
Internet. That's where he developed a keen curiosity about sex, and it's
also where he gets his information and values. And his values right now are
leaning toward believing he might be a homosexual.
He has absorbed information at school that most homosexuals are victims of
terrible discrimination, even sometimes violence, so "good" people are those
who accept homosexuality, bisexuality and gender changes. Most of his
teachers believe that homosexuality isn't a choice and that students with
same-sex attractions should just accept them. At least three separate school
offerings left him with these ideas: a book on different types of families
his teacher read aloud in third grade; a sixth grade anti-bias and
"tolerance" unit; and an assignment in his literature class where he read a
novel about teen boys exploring homosexuality.1
After reading that book, he got on the Internet, found some Web sites
(including several "gay" porn sites) and decided he was homosexual. He
wanted to talk to someone but his parents were too busy, and they probably
wouldn't really object much anyway. The church they sometimes attend had a
sermon last year about the hatefulness of those "other" churches that
disapprove of homosexuality. His dad said he thought the minister was
probably "gay," and his mom just nodded. Josh has no significant barriers to
exploring homosexuality, because he has never heard or read an opposing
viewpoint. Not at school, not on any TV sitcoms, not on the Internet
(because relatively few sites exist), and not at his church.
If he's a homosexual, he thinks, this would explain why he craves being
close to other boys. Sometimes he thinks it's just because he never sees his
dad, but he's not sure. Also, girls aren't interested in him. Girls seem
like a lot of trouble. It would be so much more fun to be physical with
someone who likes the same things he does - Playstation, movies and
role-playing games. And having sex without any thoughts of pregnancy,
commitment and all that serious stuff. Wouldn't that be great? Besides, he
was physically aroused looking at "gay" porn sites. Doesn't that prove he
must be a homosexual?
What he's considering now is visiting a local "gay" youth support group that
meets weekly in a nearby community center. He learned about it in his school
newspaper. He called the number and was told it's open to kids age 12 and
older, and they won't tell your parents.2 He wonders what it would be like
to meet someone who's already "gay." After visiting those Web sites, Josh is
eager to date, even - maybe - to have a sexual experience. It would be all
right, the Web sites said, if he was "ready" for it, and he has decided he
is. Also, it would be okay if he was in love, like in the novel he read. He
probably ought to use a condom, but maybe the other person would be older
and know more about that than he does.
Inappropriate Access: The Corruption of the Innocent
Josh is not a real person, but a composite of different teens I have learned
about over the 10 years I've been researching this issue. The tale is
tragically similar; only the names change. The turbulence of many American
families coupled with the usual challenges of childhood and adolescence
present the opportunity for depravity to take hold in the young mind and
spirit. Children are being deliberately exploited at a time when they are
extremely vulnerable, and virtually no one, it seems, is paying attention.
Opportunities exist for them to get involved in life-changing behaviors like
homosexuality before their parents have any idea.
There's lots of official support for exposing kids to early sex of all
kinds. As a recent, not-so-shining example, the Ninth Circuit Court of
Appeals in San Francisco ruled recently that parents had no right to know
about a very graphic sex survey given out to elementary school students in
California. In fact, the court said that parents have no right to claim sole
responsibility for their children's sex education. A lower court had held
the same opinion.3 So parents who send their children to public school can
increasingly expect not only little support there for traditional values,
but even greater risk.
Kids are being stimulated into premature sexual interest and fantasy, and
then told there's no reason not to "go for it." Other viewpoints - those of
caution - are being mocked or simply cut off. Schools often give information
without parental notice about multiple access points to enter such behavior
through "gay" community groups, homosexual school clubs, local health
clinics, Internet chat rooms, and politically correct youth organizations
and clubs. Don't expect churches to be a refuge. In some cases, liberal,
mainline churches contribute greatly to the early sexualization of youth.
Easiest to manipulate are those young people who, on top of the usual
challenges of growing and changing during adolescence, have additional
issues with dysfunctional families and/or personal adjustment problems.
Without support and input from a church that is Biblically faithful, the
chance of such a teen getting into homosexuality or a gender identity
disorder is compounded.
Why are we allowing this to happen? The reason is simple: As a society, we
aren't protecting our kids from danger. When we turn on the television,
allow them to use the Internet, send them off to school or, in some cases,
when we take them to certain churches, we are exposing them to harm.
We've opened up access to our children by those who are not trustworthy.
When people have views supporting homosexuality, they should not be involved
with youth in any way, period. Because they:
a.. will provide inaccurate, misleading information to kids;
b.. may limit a student's opportunity to hear warnings about the behavior;
c.. may advocate or model inappropriate behavior;
d.. may be directly involved in the molestation of kids themselves; or
e.. may be in a position to allow others to do so.
f..
The Creation of New Homosexuals
These warnings beg a very serious question: Can people, children in this
case, become homosexuals by exposure to certain ideas and behavior? In other
words, can a person who would not otherwise become homosexual start the
behavior, come to prefer it and form a habitual addiction?
Can a society create more homosexuals? The answer quite clearly is yes. That
is how current homosexuals, in fact, came to be. There is no credible
evidence for a genetic origin for homosexuality. That may come as a surprise
to many people, but it's true. It's even more astonishing when one realizes
how many influential groups and people now accept homosexuality as inborn
for some. But when you look behind the rhetoric, you find that there is
nothing but wishful thinking. For an excellent paper debunking this myth,
see Culture and Family Institute's Special Report Born or Bred.
New research has revealed what many have predicted for years because of the
media culture's constant promotion of homosexuality: More and more
Americans, especially youth, are experimenting with same-sex sexual acts. A
report from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) shows that among people
surveyed in 2002, 11 percent of the females have had a "same-sex" sexual
experience. This is up from 4 percent in a similar report in 1992. Among
just teen and young adult females, the number was even higher-14 percent.
Among males, homosexual experimentation increased to 6 percent in 2002
compared to 4.9 percent in 1992.4
Despite the incredibly well-documented destructive outcomes from
homosexuality,
this unprecedented trend among young people is occurring with few parental
objections.
People, especially the young, can be seduced into homosexual behavior and
have their identities molded around the homosexual lifestyle through a
combination of persuasion and circumstances that may include the following:
a.. being convinced homosexuality is acceptable;
b.. reading or viewing explicit homosexual pornography;
c.. having a close relationship with a peer who is practicing
homosexuality;
d.. admiring an older teacher or mentor who is homosexual;
e.. attending homosexual social venues (a "gay" club, bar, church youth
group);
f.. being homosexually molested;
g.. having parents who espouse homosexuality or engage in homosexual
activism;
h.. lacking strong ties to a church that remains faithful to the historic
Christian faith, and hostility toward traditional views.
The Role of Faith
Strong religious faith, especially traditional Christian morality, often
acts as a protective barrier to the development of homosexual desire. When
children grow up trusting God as the Designer of masculinity and femininity,
and if they are not sexually molested or have their innocence assaulted by
other traumatic events, their feelings will be channeled normally toward
heterosexual sex within marriage as an obvious and desirable goal. The truth
imparted by the Holy Spirit in young believers hinders the harmful
absorption of the culture's deceit about homosexuality as well as other
temptations.
But what happens when the church does not help young Christians grow
spiritually? When youth groups spend more time on games than on
understanding the Word of God? When they compromise with cultural trends
instead of remaining faithful?
Many churches avoid deconstructing the world's version of current, hot,
social topics. The deceptions of contemporary trends rush to fill that
vacuum, and so Christian youth buy into values that clearly contradict
Biblical teaching.
The Closed Mind of the American Teen
I hear from these kids all the time through e-mail. In researching material
on the Web, they come across our Web site and some react with anger. It's
not (I firmly believe) because there is anything objectionable on our site.
We never express "hatred" toward homosexuals or anything like that. We only
object to the behavior, which (it is our firm conviction) is harmful and
also changeable.
But the level of brainwashing of young people today is astounding. They are
trained to uncritically accept that a certain population segment will
inevitably be "GLBT" ("gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered"). They hear
over and over that any opposition to the practice of homosexuality arises
only out of hate and ignorance. This propaganda is thorough and frightening
because it envelops otherwise keen young minds.
Here's an example, sent to us in 2004:
My name is Bree. I am a 15-year-old high school student and I believe in
no god. I have often considered certain religions but Christianity seems to
be the least appealing. . I am heterosexual and yet have no problem with
legal gay marriages. I want to know what really is your problem with them?
They are not harming anyone.
Yes, many people find it repulsive that two people of the same gender
could do such a thing. I wonder if they feel the same about us. ... People
often find arguments such as "Marriage is for the continuation of our
offspring." So does that mean that people who are unable to have children
cannot get married? To be honest, just about every argument against legal
gay marriage isn't valid or isn't really a strong argument. I believe that
if your god created everyone, He created "gays" too, right? God created them
that way. Just as he created you the way you are, the way you look, who you
are. Christianity seems to be very hypocritical.
That's one of the nicer ones. Here's another example:
What happens to "Jesus loves everybody"? Oh, except you, you and you. You
people are so closed-minded. It is people like you that cause teen suicides,
for the teenage homosexual, one who is taught that it is wrong, sinful, etc.
He is in such turmoil, being judged, by people like YOU!! He ends his life.
You people are still living in the dark ages. You think you are so much
better than everybody. You really make me sick. How can you call people
sexual barbarians without looking in the mirror? Or looking straight at the
altar. Millions of people have died from your religion. You are all such
hypocrites. When will YOU wake up?
While we often attempt a dialogue with teens who write to us with this kind
of rage, it usually doesn't get very far, because they keep responding with
different versions of the same irrationality. They frequently don't even
want to hear about God's love or the saving power of Christ. They have been
trained to believe traditional Christians are evil; it will take personal
interactions in their schools and neighborhoods to convince them otherwise.
This type of anti-Christian hostility is shaping the mind of the average
American teen. Homosexuality is a faith issue. When will the church of Jesus
Christ in America grasp this? The faith of our Christian youth is on the
line and is being eroded because they are hearing nothing but silence from
adult Christians on these moral issues.
There is a dearth of ammunition for debate in the youth marketplace of
ideas, and so darkness is overcoming our children because we refuse to bring
them light.
What Happens to Josh?
So what becomes of all the Joshes out there? They seldom hear another
viewpoint; they are seldom approached by Christian peers who will show them
a different way. It's not that our Christian kids don't want to; they don't
have enough information and are too intimidated to challenge the easily
provoked pro-"gay" advocates.
So, Josh will probably go ahead and attend a local "gay" community group;
then in high school, join the high school "GSA" ("gay"-straight alliance,
the name of many homosexual clubs). He probably will pair up with an older
homosexual and begin homosexual sex. His parents, anxious to be politically
correct, won't object and will eventually come to accept his "lifestyle."
Josh's future probably holds a revolving door of sexual contacts, with his
first visit to a clinic to be treated for a sexually transmitted disease at
around age 17. Then, if he's typical, he'll be treated annually for an STD
of some type. Oh, and all those middle school insecurities over appearance
have been dispelled. He's turned into a drop-dead gorgeous young man, but he
has no interest in the appreciative glances of young women. He's too much in
demand at the "gay" bars and bathhouses.
He is already drinking heavily, smoking and doing recreational drugs.
Somewhere along the line, he'll have several longer-term boyfriends, and may
even move in with one or two of them. Their break-ups will happen after six
months or a year, and be spectacular events punctuated with drama, screaming
fights and threats of self-harm, contributing to the high rates of domestic
violence cited for "gay" males.
He will go to a counselor for treatment of depression, anxiety or an eating
disorder. Seeking some peace and stability, he'll join a "gay"-friendly
denomination like the Metropolitan Community Church. Along the way, he may
well become HIV-positive. In his 30s, he will start to have relationships
with boys who are 16 and 17, just as someone did when he was a teen. He may
even transmit the HIV virus to one or more of them.
Josh is likely to die early, probably before 55 and very likely in his 40s.
His grandmother will cry at his funeral, knowing he would have made a great
father and even grandfather. But it won't happen for him.
This was happiness? This is freedom? Why can't Josh be told the rest of the
story before it's too late?
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "RamRod Sword of Baal RamRod @truthonly" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
13 Nov 2006 01:27:15 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8fedneqMNcnpZ8rYnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=10633&department=CFI&categoryid=papers
Josh is 13 and, like many kids his age, he's often unhappy. Everything
about
his life is uncertain. He's only 5 feet 4 inches tall, and many of the
girls
in his middle-school class are taller. He has no idea how his body will
end
up. Will he be tall, short, plain, handsome? He's slightly overweight and
hasn't found a sport he excels in. He only has two or three close friends.
Sometimes his voice changes an entire octave, up or down, at a moment's
notice. He's an average student, and he sometimes dreads going to school
because it doesn't interest him much.
Much cut
Now I for one do not wish to see any child lead down the wrong path, but our
'friend' here J Young, is supposing that 'Josh' is someone that can be
turned either way and that he should be only given the information that will
lead him on the 'right' path..
Now we have seen this happening for countless years, schools only teaching
about heterosexuality and the net result. still around the same number of
Gay people being churned out each year, so obviously this did not stop Gay
people becoming gay.
Now assuming that Josh is actually Gay, or will be when he gets older, in J
Young's 'perfect' world, he would not be given any information on anything
remotely to do with gay sex or Gays at all, in fact he would be brain washed
in to thinking he was bad, and had bad thoughts making him very unhappy and
possibly suicidal, about something he had no control over or could not
change.
In J Young's post he indicates that the current situation is biased towards
Gay sex, well I for one would not want to see that, and quite frankly do not
believe it.
I personally would want to see a balanced approach to a child's education,
in which there is no pressure brought to bear on the child either way, but
the simple facts are shown, that is that some people are gay and most are
not, but their is nothing wrong with being Gay, nor is there anything wrong
with being deeply religious.
Unfortunately some people only want their point of view shown and the child
brain washed into their way of thinking.
Despite what has been posted here about Gays being bred not born, their is
no prove that they are not born that way either.........
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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13 Nov 2006 02:41:59 PM |
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(All together now...)
"Yes they do, but you have to be Jung at heart....".
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
12 Nov 2006 11:36:32 PM |
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Josh is not a real person,
'Nuff said.
Just in passing, since you obviously think sexual orientation is a
choice, when did you choose to be straight?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Nov 2006 08:23:16 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:36:32 -0800, raven1 wrote:
Josh is not a real person,
'Nuff said.
Just in passing, since you obviously think sexual orientation is a
choice, when did you choose to be straight?
Who says he is?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"...otherwise, we're looking at the potential
of this kind of world:.... a world in which
oil reserves are controlled by radicals in order
to extract blackmail from the West..." [George Bush]
Wait... oil reserves?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Nov 2006 11:41:10 PM |
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raven1 <psychedelephant1@gmail.com> wrote:
Josh is not a real person,
'Nuff said.
Just in passing, since you obviously think sexual orientation is a
choice, when did you choose to be straight?
What makes you think he's straight? Those who think about
homosexuality a lot tend to be (surprise!) homosexuals themselves.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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13 Nov 2006 05:14:26 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) writes:
raven1 <psychedelephant1@gmail.com> wrote:
Josh is not a real person,
'Nuff said.
Just in passing, since you obviously think sexual orientation is a
choice, when did you choose to be straight?
What makes you think he's straight? Those who think about
homosexuality a lot tend to be (surprise!) homosexuals themselves.
I won't be surprised when he finally grows a spine and owns up to the truth:
he's as queer as a $3 bill.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Iowa 1 (November 10)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 15 at Milwaukee, 7:05
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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13 Nov 2006 05:22:29 AM |
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In article <szkfycniood.fsf@eris.io.com>, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) writes:
raven1 <psychedelephant1@gmail.com> wrote:
Josh is not a real person,
'Nuff said.
Just in passing, since you obviously think sexual orientation is a
choice, when did you choose to be straight?
What makes you think he's straight? Those who think about
homosexuality a lot tend to be (surprise!) homosexuals themselves.
I won't be surprised when he finally grows a spine and owns up to the truth:
he's as queer as a $3 bill.
http://www.somis.org/$3.JPG
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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13 Nov 2006 06:08:03 AM |
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(•R L Measures) writes:
In article <szkfycniood.fsf@eris.io.com>, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) writes:
raven1 <psychedelephant1@gmail.com> wrote:
Josh is not a real person,
'Nuff said.
Just in passing, since you obviously think sexual orientation is a
choice, when did you choose to be straight?
What makes you think he's straight? Those who think about
homosexuality a lot tend to be (surprise!) homosexuals themselves.
I won't be surprised when he finally grows a spine and owns up to the truth:
he's as queer as a $3 bill.
http://www.somis.org/$3.JPG
No wonder IBen keeps quiet about the LDS...;-)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Iowa 1 (November 10)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 15 at Milwaukee, 7:05
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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13 Nov 2006 01:06:57 PM |
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In article <szkpsbrh7mk.fsf@eris.io.com>, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
r@somis.org (•R L Measures) writes:
In article <szkfycniood.fsf@eris.io.com>, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) writes:
raven1 <psychedelephant1@gmail.com> wrote:
Josh is not a real person,
'Nuff said.
Just in passing, since you obviously think sexual orientation is a
choice, when did you choose to be straight?
What makes you think he's straight? Those who think about
homosexuality a lot tend to be (surprise!) homosexuals themselves.
I won't be surprised when he finally grows a spine and owns up to the
truth:
he's as queer as a $3 bill.
http://www.somis.org/$3.JPG
No wonder IBen keeps quiet about the LDS...;-)
• Chortle. The founder of the church, Joseph Smith, Junior, contributed
two popular sayings to American-English:
1. "As phony as a three dollar bill."
2. "He was talking through his hat." (the method he used to "translate"
the real-special secret "golden plates".
Mormon history provides a virtual cornucopia of embarrassing *****.
cheers, P.
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| User: "" |
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01 Jan 2007 10:58:42 PM |
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All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
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______________________
Don't Like My Opinion? Tough.
http://home.hamptonroads.com/blog/index.cfm?uid=62
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| User: "BAM" |
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01 Jan 2007 11:18:06 PM |
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<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
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All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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02 Jan 2007 05:29:10 AM |
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BAM wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
Pick for me the one that you believe *isn't* a fairy tale and explain
to me what distinguishes it from the others.
Martin
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| User: "BAM" |
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02 Jan 2007 07:07:12 AM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167737350.311096.117270@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
BAM wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
Pick for me the one that you believe *isn't* a fairy tale and explain
to me what distinguishes it from the others.
That's not an answer to the question.
BAM
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| User: "Fritz" |
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02 Jan 2007 05:34:23 PM |
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BAM wrote:
"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167737350.311096.117270@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
BAM wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
Pick for me the one that you believe *isn't* a fairy tale and explain
to me what distinguishes it from the others.
That's not an answer to the question.
BAM
That's not an answer to his question.
Fritz ...
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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02 Jan 2007 08:23:11 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net>
bloodied us up with this:
"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167737350.311096.117270@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
BAM wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
Pick for me the one that you believe *isn't* a fairy tale and explain
to me what distinguishes it from the others.
That's not an answer to the question.
Is so. Now answer his.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
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| User: "Attila" |
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03 Jan 2007 05:50:39 AM |
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On 03 Jan 2007 02:23:11 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns98ACBB1668714vicman@66.250.146.128>
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net>
bloodied us up with this:
"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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BAM wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
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All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
Pick for me the one that you believe *isn't* a fairy tale and explain
to me what distinguishes it from the others.
That's not an answer to the question.
Is so. Now answer his.
You don't really expect a direct answer to the point do you? That
would be a first for him.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
02 Jan 2007 05:16:09 AM |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
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All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "BAM" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
02 Jan 2007 07:06:48 AM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
BAM
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
02 Jan 2007 07:05:48 PM |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<FNsmh.38750$3v6.5746@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
BAM
The real BS is spread by those who act and speak as if a god is real
yet cannot support that position.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "BAM" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
02 Jan 2007 10:38:19 PM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<FNsmh.38750$3v6.5746@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
BAM
The real BS is spread by those who act and speak as if a god is real
yet cannot support that position.
Rubbish.
BAM
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
02 Jan 2007 10:56:09 PM |
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"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in news:UsGmh.19852$%e7.6710
@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<FNsmh.38750$3v6.5746@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
BAM
The real BS is spread by those who act and speak as if a god is real
yet cannot support that position.
Rubbish.
BAM
OK, then present your bs case, BUM.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
03 Jan 2007 05:48:36 AM |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:38:19 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<UsGmh.19852$%e7.6710@bignews2.bellsouth.net> wrote:
The real BS is spread by those who act and speak as if a god is real
yet cannot support that position.
Rubbish.
BAM
The expected substantial reply. Typical of both the subject and the
source.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
06 Jan 2007 08:32:42 PM |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
BAM
Nope not B.S. just accepted as truth by all but the dumb asses that
believe a particular religion. Then there are those of us that accept
the opinion of non believers in any given religion.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "BAM" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
06 Jan 2007 07:40:54 PM |
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"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
BAM
Nope not B.S. just accepted as truth by all but the dumb asses that
believe a particular religion.
Once again, the atheist demonstrates that he is his own best self promoter -
pat yourself on the back again, oh enlightened one.
BAM
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
02 Jan 2007 08:53:34 AM |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
He _did_ call it an assumption: that's the word that comes right after
"safe" in the quote above.
Terming his statement "bs" implies that you are aware of some proof
(or better, evidence) of the existence of any god (that its religion
is more than a fairy tale). Are you? If so, please share what you have
found.
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "BAM" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
02 Jan 2007 06:08:22 PM |
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"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
He _did_ call it an assumption: that's the word that comes right after
"safe" in the quote above.
You lack comprehension. Read the whole thread.
Terming his statement "bs" implies that you are aware of some proof
(or better, evidence) of the existence of any god (that its religion
is more than a fairy tale). Are you? If so, please share what you have
found.
Another bad conclusion - to say " all religions are lies", is bs. It's his
task to prove it - he said it.
BAM
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
06 Jan 2007 08:28:30 PM |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:08:22 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
He _did_ call it an assumption: that's the word that comes right after
"safe" in the quote above.
You lack comprehension. Read the whole thread.
Terming his statement "bs" implies that you are aware of some proof
(or better, evidence) of the existence of any god (that its religion
is more than a fairy tale). Are you? If so, please share what you have
found.
Another bad conclusion - to say " all religions are lies", is bs. It's his
task to prove it - he said it.
BAM
Nope it's up to you to produce a religion that is not a lie. There
are thousands of gods that have been believed in. Produce one that is
based on truth, and prove him and me wrong.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "BAM" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
06 Jan 2007 07:40:03 PM |
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"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:08:22 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:06:48 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:18:06 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eWlmh.17229$h_1.289@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
<sparklingdiversity@NOSPAMwriteme.com> wrote in message
news:9Elmh.5610$hr3.2539@newsfe24.lga...
All religions and theologies are nothing more than fairy tails.
Interesting, but lies.
All? How would you know?
BAM
That would be a safe assumption given that no proof of the existence
of any god has ever been found.
Then call it an assumption and stop spreading bs.
He _did_ call it an assumption: that's the word that comes right after
"safe" in the quote above.
You lack comprehension. Read the whole thread.
Terming his statement "bs" implies that you are aware of some proof
(or better, evidence) of the existence of any god (that its religion
is more than a fairy tale). Are you? If so, please share what you have
found.
Another bad conclusion - to say " all religions are lies", is bs. It's his
task to prove it - he said it.
BAM
Nope it's up to you to produce a religion that is not a lie. There
are thousands of gods that have been believed in. Produce one that is
based on truth, and prove him and me wrong.
I don't need to. You'll know soon enough.
BAM
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
08 Jan 2007 05:25:19 AM |
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On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:40:03 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<KdYnh.20239$_X.12009@bigfe9> wrote:
Nope it's up to you to produce a religion that is not a lie. There
are thousands of gods that have been believed in. Produce one that is
based on truth, and prove him and me wrong.
I don't need to. You'll know soon enough.
BAM
Your usual non-response. Do you really think that means anything? Why
do you bother with such a waste of space?
It sounds like a small child and makes you look like a moron.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "BAM" |
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| Title: Re: Fairy Tales Don't Come True |
08 Jan 2007 08:18:18 PM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:40:03 -0500, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<KdYnh.20239$_X.12009@bigfe9> wrote:
Nope it's up to you to produce a religion that is not a lie. There
are thousands of gods that have been believed in. Produce one that is
based on truth, and prove him and me wrong.
I don't need to. You'll know soon enough.
BAM
Your usual non-response. Do you really think that means anything? Why
do you bother with such a waste of space?
It sounds like a small child and makes you look like a moron.
Ahh but there's more to it - it pisses you off - and that's g-o-o-d.
BAM
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