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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Gregory Gadow"
Date: 13 Oct 2003 05:28:53 PM
Object: Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong
Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong
Mon Oct 13, 2:56 PM ET
By FRANK BRUNI The New York Times
ROME, Oct. 12 Like many Italians in decades and childhoods past,
Giampaolo Servadio used to go to Roman Catholic Mass every week. He even
served as an altar boy.
But last Sunday morning, as church bells tolled around this city of
storied cathedrals, he followed a different ritual: he went running. It
struck him as a more relevant use of time.
"The church seems really out of step," said Mr. Servadio, 39, mentioning
issues like birth control and questioning the very utility of prayer. "I
don't see how something like a confession and a few repetitions of the
`Hail Mary' are going to solve any problems."
He wondered if he should call himself Catholic: "When you realize that
for 20 years you don't do this you don't even go to church what kind of
Catholic are you?"
A fairly typical one, at least in Italy and much of Europe, where the
ties of Christianity no longer bind the way they once did and often seem
not to bind at all.
This week Pope John Paul II is to celebrate his 25th anniversary as the
head of the Roman Catholic Church, which is both Europe's and
Christianity's largest denomination.
It has been a quarter century of enormous changes, and few have been
more significant, for his church and mainstream Protestant
denominations, than the withering of the Christian faith in Europe and
the shift in its center of gravity to the Southern Hemisphere.
The article continues at
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=68&e=5&u=/nyt/20031013/ts_nyt/faithfadeswhereitonceburnedstrong
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
.

User: "*Nemo*"

Title: Re: Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong 14 Oct 2003 01:55:28 AM
In article <3F8B2725.FD56A94C@serv.net>,
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote:

Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong
Mon Oct 13, 2:56 PM ET

By FRANK BRUNI The New York Times

ROME, Oct. 12 Like many Italians in decades and childhoods past,
Giampaolo Servadio used to go to Roman Catholic Mass every week. He even
served as an altar boy.

But last Sunday morning, as church bells tolled around this city of
storied cathedrals, he followed a different ritual: he went running. It
struck him as a more relevant use of time.

"The church seems really out of step," said Mr. Servadio, 39, mentioning
issues like birth control and questioning the very utility of prayer. "I
don't see how something like a confession and a few repetitions of the
`Hail Mary' are going to solve any problems."

He wondered if he should call himself Catholic: "When you realize that
for 20 years you don't do this you don't even go to church what kind of
Catholic are you?"

A fairly typical one, at least in Italy and much of Europe, where the
ties of Christianity no longer bind the way they once did and often seem
not to bind at all.

This week Pope John Paul II is to celebrate his 25th anniversary as the
head of the Roman Catholic Church, which is both Europe's and
Christianity's largest denomination.

It has been a quarter century of enormous changes, and few have been
more significant, for his church and mainstream Protestant
denominations, than the withering of the Christian faith in Europe and
the shift in its center of gravity to the Southern Hemisphere.


The article continues at
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=68&e=5&u=/nyt/20031013/ts_nyt/
faithfadeswhereitonceburnedstrong

--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear

"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin


I showed this article to my supervisor at work. Being a Catholic, I
thought he might find it interesting. He found the statement that
Christianity might be hard to sell in an open religious market very
amusing. He said maybe the church could try some creative financing,
like not requiring new believers to put any money in the collection
plate for the first year. {;-)
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong 14 Oct 2003 10:31:17 PM
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:55:28 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
posted in alt.atheism:

I showed this article to my supervisor at work. Being a Catholic, I
thought he might find it interesting. He found the statement that
Christianity might be hard to sell in an open religious market very
amusing. He said maybe the church could try some creative financing,
like not requiring new believers to put any money in the collection
plate for the first year. {;-)

He sounds like Saul, not requiring new believers to get circumcised.
--
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
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User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong 15 Oct 2003 05:06:46 AM
In article <uqfpovku9iprmq7gctc7nlim4ur63pu528@Pern.rk>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:55:28 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
posted in alt.atheism:

I showed this article to my supervisor at work. Being a Catholic, I
thought he might find it interesting. He found the statement that
Christianity might be hard to sell in an open religious market very
amusing. He said maybe the church could try some creative financing,
like not requiring new believers to put any money in the collection
plate for the first year. {;-)


He sounds like Saul, not requiring new believers to get circumcised.

He's a pretty cool dude. He's very close to dropping his religion, i
think. He borrowed "The Age of Reason" from me a few weeks ago, said he
was very impressed by it.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
.



User: "Z"

Title: Re: Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong 13 Oct 2003 07:02:17 PM
Thanks for pointing out this article. I'm usually all over yahoo but did
not see this one.
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:28:53 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:

Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong
Mon Oct 13, 2:56 PM ET

By FRANK BRUNI The New York Times

ROME, Oct. 12 Like many Italians in decades and childhoods past,
Giampaolo Servadio used to go to Roman Catholic Mass every week. He even
served as an altar boy.

But last Sunday morning, as church bells tolled around this city of
storied cathedrals, he followed a different ritual: he went running. It
struck him as a more relevant use of time.

"The church seems really out of step," said Mr. Servadio, 39, mentioning
issues like birth control and questioning the very utility of prayer. "I
don't see how something like a confession and a few repetitions of the
`Hail Mary' are going to solve any problems."

He wondered if he should call himself Catholic: "When you realize that
for 20 years you don't do this you don't even go to church what kind of
Catholic are you?"

A fairly typical one, at least in Italy and much of Europe, where the
ties of Christianity no longer bind the way they once did and often seem
not to bind at all.

This week Pope John Paul II is to celebrate his 25th anniversary as the
head of the Roman Catholic Church, which is both Europe's and
Christianity's largest denomination.

It has been a quarter century of enormous changes, and few have been
more significant, for his church and mainstream Protestant
denominations, than the withering of the Christian faith in Europe and
the shift in its center of gravity to the Southern Hemisphere.


The article continues at
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=68&e=5&u=/nyt/20031013/ts_nyt/faithfadeswhereitonceburnedstrong

--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear

"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin


.
User: "*Nemo*"

Title: Re: Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong 14 Oct 2003 01:58:36 AM
In article <oprw0ad4f77mnp9s@news-server.se.rr.com>, Z <zig@zag.nut>
wrote:

Thanks for pointing out this article. I'm usually all over yahoo but did
not see this one.

You might want to watch the Infidels' Newswire:
http://www.infidels.org/wire/index.shtml
That's where I find all sorts of cool stories about the religious world.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
.



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