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"J Young" |
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30 May 2005 09:37:31 AM |
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Faith healing |
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
http://www.acfnewsource.org/religion/faith_healing.html
The respected California Pacific Medical Center opened the first
hospital clinic where doctors incorporate spiritual elements into
medical treatment.
The cutting-edge medical procedure now in use at a leading San
Francisco hospital doesn't involve new equipment or surgical
techniques. Instead California Pacific Medical Center's (CPMC) Health
and Healing Clinic relies on faith, offering integrative and
complementary treatments that blend spirituality and traditional
medicine.
Growing numbers of studies reveal that people with religious and
spiritual beliefs heal faster and have lower mortality rates than
others. No longer being dismissed as New Age, alternative thinking,
spiritual medical care is now part of the curriculum at 40 U.S. medical
schools, up from just three in 1996. Even the federal government's
National Institute of Health sponsors research on how these approaches
affect health and wellness.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 10:14:01 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1117463851.388043.200350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
http://www.acfnewsource.org/religion/faith_healing.html
Placebo effect.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 05:52:09 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1117463851.388043.200350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This is what drives the non-believers crazy.
Why would this drive non-believers crazy?
-Jeff
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 11:28:03 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1117463851.388043.200350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This is what drives the non-believers crazy.
You wish.
It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
Substitute PMA (positive mental attitude) everywhere you use the word faith
and you will see the same, positive outcomes. PMA and cutting edge medical
technology works wonder every day. It simply requires a person to actively
work at maintaining a PMA and tell oneself that they are healing and getting
better. The mind is an extraordinary powerful tool in health and healing if
it is used correctly. Very strong positive feed back loops can produce
results that many would consider miraculous, but they are, just simple mind
over matter so to speak. This works without the need for recourse to the sky
fairies, or shaman or other such supernatural remedies.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 04:37:06 PM |
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"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote
Substitute PMA (positive mental attitude) everywhere you use the word
faith and you will see the same, positive outcomes. It simply requires a
person to actively work at maintaining a PMA and tell oneself that they
are healing and getting better.
Except that trying to conjure up a synthetic PMA might well not be very
effective. For instance people who are members of religious congregations
have a group of friends who are united in a common purpose.
Friends cannot appear from nowhere, and if you try to get patients to "list
their support networks" then of course you merely encourage a self-centred
attitude to other people that isn't the same as true friendship.
However you are right. There is not necessarily anything miraculous
involved.
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 09:26:11 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1117463851.388043.200350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This is what drives the non-believers crazy.
You wish.
Here's some good stuff:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/randi2.htm
http://www.randi.org/lectures/prophesy.html
Katt.
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 09:51:51 AM |
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This is what drives the non-believers crazy.
No, it doesn't. Sorry.
It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
People cannot make themselves believe. They cannot have
faith in something that they know is nonsense.
The respected California Pacific Medical Center opened the first
hospital clinic where doctors incorporate spiritual elements into
medical treatment.
The cutting-edge medical procedure now in use at a leading San
Francisco hospital doesn't involve new equipment or surgical
techniques. Instead California Pacific Medical Center's (CPMC) Health
and Healing Clinic relies on faith, offering integrative and
complementary treatments that blend spirituality and traditional
medicine.
Growing numbers of studies reveal that people with religious and
spiritual beliefs heal faster and have lower mortality rates than
others. No longer being dismissed as New Age, alternative thinking,
spiritual medical care is now part of the curriculum at 40 U.S. medical
schools, up from just three in 1996. Even the federal government's
National Institute of Health sponsors research on how these approaches
affect health and wellness.
What are those believers doing in hospitals? Shouldn't their
spirits keep them healthy?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 09:33:57 PM |
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Witziges R=E4tsel wrote:
This is what drives the non-believers crazy.
No, it doesn't. Sorry.
It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
People cannot make themselves believe. They cannot have
faith in something that they know is nonsense.
True, but American government and western society is what it is.
The respected California Pacific Medical Center opened the first
hospital clinic where doctors incorporate spiritual elements into
medical treatment.
The cutting-edge medical procedure now in use at a leading San
Francisco hospital doesn't involve new equipment or surgical
techniques. Instead California Pacific Medical Center's (CPMC) Health
and Healing Clinic relies on faith, offering integrative and
complementary treatments that blend spirituality and traditional
medicine.
Growing numbers of studies reveal that people with religious and
spiritual beliefs heal faster and have lower mortality rates than
others. No longer being dismissed as New Age, alternative thinking,
spiritual medical care is now part of the curriculum at 40 U.S. medical
schools, up from just three in 1996. Even the federal government's
National Institute of Health sponsors research on how these approaches
affect health and wellness.
What are those believers doing in hospitals? Shouldn't their
spirits keep them healthy?
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| User: "El Conquistador" |
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| Title: FISH HEALING |
30 May 2005 09:41:20 AM |
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Eat fish, stay smart.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 10:25:46 AM |
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In news:1117463851.388043.200350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The respected California Pacific Medical Center opened the first
hospital clinic where doctors incorporate spiritual elements into
medical treatment.
Perhaps you should change that to "The once respected California Pacific
Medical Center".
Sounds like the same sort of nonsense as when professional nursing
organzations and teaching hospitals got involved in "healing touch".
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 12:14:32 PM |
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Bert Hyman wrote:
In news:1117463851.388043.200350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The respected California Pacific Medical Center opened the first
hospital clinic where doctors incorporate spiritual elements into
medical treatment.
Perhaps you should change that to "The once respected California Pacific
Medical Center".
Sounds like the same sort of nonsense as when professional nursing
organzations and teaching hospitals got involved in "healing touch".
Not really, Bert. They're just into prescribing placebos. :-)
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| User: "Barry Trotter" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 10:20:06 AM |
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In the great debate about "Faith healing" in alt.atheism, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> catapaulted the following boulder:
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
Faih healers are liars, conmen and murderers. I know this from
personal experience.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
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| User: "Al Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 03:22:42 PM |
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Barry Trotter wrote:
In the great debate about "Faith healing" in alt.atheism, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> catapaulted the following boulder:
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
Faih healers are liars, conmen and murderers. I know this from
personal experience.
I have a single anecdotal experience with a faith healer. I believe he
actually believed what he was doing was a Divine gift. There may have
been a con, but it was probably several generations of teaching earlier
or it could have been born out of ignorance. What was involved was
power of suggestion, muscle fatigue and an effort to confuse by
chanting nonsense.
I achieved the same result on coworkers the next day by the power of
Bajamadamas (a 1980's Japanese cartoon show). Of course I explained the
parlor trick to them afterwards.
However, to believe in God is to believe in the possibility of
miracles.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 12:07:45 PM |
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J Young wrote:
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
<snip>
Such as the invisible air pixies that push my heart in and the invisible
blood pixies that push my heart out, in a constant struggle for
dominance, and, if I eat too much junk food, it makes the blood pixies
stronger and able to win against the sky pixies?
What the article is neglecting to say is that it is not prayer that is
helping, it's the thought that it might be helping.
Research "placebo" then get back to me.
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| User: "snack" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 10:43:35 AM |
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J Young wrote:
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery. It works if you work it.
Its well known that psychology plays a factor in the healing process. A
high morale is key to recovery for all kinds of ailments. If you break
your leg the doctor or nurse isn't going to insult you for it. The
mental process that tells you God loves and protects and is on your
side blah blah blah I'm doing good ***** blah blah blah Big grin on my
fucking face blah blah blah...
This will change your mood from 'Ow ***** my leg hurts.' To 'Lookit me!
I'm happy!'
So get a clue and stop finding poor medical journalism written by
religer fucks who conciously intend to keep medical science from
advancing into a more effective force. You had your chance to be right
during the dark ages, when all we had was faith to heal, but you were
in fact WRONG AS *****.
<snip useless blather>
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-Mike#1375
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
31 May 2005 08:46:27 AM |
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 07:37:31 -0700, J Young wrote:
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to gain
better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in their
recovery. It works if you work it.
http://www.acfnewsource.org/religion/faith_healing.html
The respected California Pacific Medical Center opened the first hospital
clinic where doctors incorporate spiritual elements into medical
treatment.
From the article:
"For example, a patient with a kidney infection would see an internist but
could also practice meditation, visualization or the Chinese healing
method, Qi Gong, to help treat the infection."
As many "alternative healing" methods, such as "Qi Gong" in particular,
have no proven medical value beyond being a vehicle for the placebo
effect, the fact that the "respected California Pacific Medical Center"
uses it is no endorsement of any scientific value.
This is what drives believers crazy. The human body is capable of
self-repair in ways that are poorly understood, but not in need of any
supernatural explanation.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
31 May 2005 07:22:52 AM |
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 07:37:31 -0700, J Young wrote:
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to gain
better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in their
recovery. It works if you work it.
No, it drives believers crazy because they think this should count as
evidence that belief is justified. Actually, it only demonstrates that
attitude influences your body's response to injury and disease.
http://www.acfnewsource.org/religion/faith_healing.html
The respected California Pacific Medical Center opened the first hospital
clinic where doctors incorporate spiritual elements into medical
treatment.
The cutting-edge medical procedure now in use at a leading San Francisco
hospital doesn't involve new equipment or surgical techniques. Instead
California Pacific Medical Center's (CPMC) Health and Healing Clinic
relies on faith, offering integrative and complementary treatments that
blend spirituality and traditional medicine.
Growing numbers of studies reveal that people with religious and spiritual
beliefs heal faster and have lower mortality rates than others. No longer
being dismissed as New Age, alternative thinking, spiritual medical care
is now part of the curriculum at 40 U.S. medical schools, up from just
three in 1996. Even the federal government's National Institute of Health
sponsors research on how these approaches affect health and wellness.
I wouldn't cite the NIH under the Bush Administration as anything that
even remotely qualifies as scientific.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
31 May 2005 08:15:27 AM |
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I didn't know she was sick.
--
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people." ---10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United
States
Maverick
www.thelibertycommittee.org/
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
31 May 2005 08:18:12 AM |
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Maverick wrote:
I didn't know she was sick.
She's gettin' bettah!
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Faith healing |
30 May 2005 11:06:11 AM |
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in article 1117463851.388043.200350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 5/30/05 10:37 AM:
This is what drives the non-believers crazy. It is very possible to
gain better results if one would just incorporate a little faith in
their recovery.
As long as it's only a little faith...certainly lots of faith
doesn't do anything more.
Paul
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