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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"dapra" |
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23 Jan 2008 07:52:18 PM |
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False Pretenses |
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
False Pretenses
Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his
administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation
about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
[ Of course there is nothing new about that the government, any
government, deceives and lies. The stupidity of the American people,
especially members of the uma are more surprising, after they must have
learned about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, resolution. Associating with
the military must erase most of the ones memory, and logic, and judgment.]
By Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith
President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top
officials, including Vice President ***** Cheney, National Security
Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at
least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11,
2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive
examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an
orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in
the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.
On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews,
testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with
Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul
Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott
McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al
Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush
administration's case for war.
It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass
destruction or have meaningful ties to Al Qaeda. This was the conclusion
of numerous bipartisan government investigations, including those by the
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2004 and 2006), the 9/11
Commission, and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, whose "Duelfer
Report" established that Saddam Hussein had terminated Iraq's nuclear
program in 1991 and made little effort to restart it.
In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of
erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that
culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not
surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make
speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate
also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever
analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.
President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's
links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest
total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld
and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz
(with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14).
The massive database at the heart of this project juxtaposes what
President Bush and these seven top officials were saying for public
consumption against what was known, or should have been known, on a
day-to-day basis. This fully searchable database includes the public
statements, drawn from both primary sources (such as official
transcripts) and secondary sources (chiefly major news organizations)
over the two years beginning on September 11, 2001. It also interlaces
relevant information from more than 25 government reports, books,
articles, speeches, and interviews.
Consider, for example, these false public statements made in the run-up
to war:
On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the
Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there
is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends,
against our allies, and against us." In fact, former CIA Director George
Tenet later recalled, Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's
assessments at the time. Another CIA official, referring to the same
speech, told journalist Ron Suskind, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he
getting this stuff from?' "
In the closing days of September 2002, with a congressional vote fast
approaching on authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, Bush told
the nation in his weekly radio address: "The Iraqi regime possesses
biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make
more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological
or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given.
.. . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material
could build one within a year." A few days later, similar findings were
also included in a much-hurried National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction an analysis that hadn't been done in
years, as the intelligence community had deemed it unnecessary and the
White House hadn't requested it.
In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked
whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In
fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence
Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an
absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between
the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA
assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al
Qaeda is unclear."
On May 29, 2003, in an interview with Polish TV, President Bush
declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological
laboratories." But as journalist Bob Woodward reported in State of
Denial, days earlier a team of civilian experts dispatched to examine
the two mobile labs found in Iraq had concluded in a field report that
the labs were not for biological weapons. The team's final report,
completed the following month, concluded that the labs had probably been
used to manufacture hydrogen for weather balloons.
On January 28, 2003, in his annual State of the Union address, Bush
asserted: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein
recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our
intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase
high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
Two weeks earlier, an analyst with the State Department's Bureau of
Intelligence and Research sent an email to colleagues in the
intelligence community laying out why he believed the uranium-purchase
agreement "probably is a hoax."
On February 5, 2003, in an address to the United Nations Security
Council, Powell said: "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions
based on solid intelligence. I will cite some examples, and these are
from human sources." As it turned out, however, two of the main human
sources to which Powell referred had provided false information. One was
an Iraqi con artist, code-named "Curveball," whom American intelligence
officials were dubious about and in fact had never even spoken to. The
other was an Al Qaeda detainee, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, who had
reportedly been sent to Eqypt by the CIA and tortured and who later
recanted the information he had provided. Libi told the CIA in January
2004 that he had "decided he would fabricate any information
interrogators wanted in order to gain better treatment and avoid being
handed over to [a foreign government]."
The false statements dramatically increased in August 2002, with
congressional consideration of a war resolution, then escalated through
the mid-term elections and spiked even higher from January 2003 to the
eve of the invasion.
It was during those critical weeks in early 2003 that the president
delivered his State of the Union address and Powell delivered his
memorable U.N. presentation. For all 935 false statements, including
when and where they occurred, go to the search page for this project;
the methodology used for this analysis is explained here.
In addition to their patently false pronouncements, Bush and these seven
top officials also made hundreds of other statements in the two years
after 9/11 in which they implied that Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction or links to Al Qaeda. Other administration higher-ups,
joined by Pentagon officials and Republican leaders in Congress, also
routinely sounded false war alarms in the Washington echo chamber.
The cumulative effect of these false statements amplified by thousands
of news stories and broadcasts was massive, with the media coverage
creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the
run-up to war. Some journalists indeed, even some entire news
organizations have since acknowledged that their coverage during those
prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas
notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided
additional, "independent" validation of the Bush administration's false
statements about Iraq.
The "ground truth" of the Iraq war itself eventually forced the
president to backpedal, albeit grudgingly. In a 2004 appearance on NBC's
Meet the Press, for example, Bush acknowledged that no weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq. And on December 18, 2005, with his
approval ratings on the decline, Bush told the nation in a Sunday-night
address from the Oval Office: "It is true that Saddam Hussein had a
history of pursuing and using weapons of mass destruction. It is true
that he systematically concealed those programs, and blocked the work of
U.N. weapons inspectors. It is true that many nations believed that
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence
turned out to be wrong. As your president, I am responsible for the
decision to go into Iraq. Yet it was right to remove Saddam Hussein from
power."
Bush stopped short, however, of admitting error or poor judgment;
instead, his administration repeatedly attributed the stark disparity
between its prewar public statements and the actual "ground truth"
regarding the threat posed by Iraq to poor intelligence from a Who's Who
of domestic agencies.
On the other hand, a growing number of critics, including a parade of
former government officials, have publicly and in some cases
vociferously accused the president and his inner circle of ignoring or
distorting the available intelligence. In the end, these critics say, it
was the calculated drumbeat of false information and public
pronouncements that ultimately misled the American people and this
nation's allies on their way to war.
Bush and the top officials of his administration have so far largely
avoided the harsh, sustained glare of formal scrutiny about their
personal responsibility for the litany of repeated, false statements in
the run-up to the war in Iraq. There has been no congressional
investigation, for example, into what exactly was going on inside the
Bush White House in that period. Congressional oversight has focused
almost entirely on the quality of the U.S. government's pre-war
intelligence not the judgment, public statements, or public
accountability of its highest officials. And, of course, only four of
the officials Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz have testified
before Congress about Iraq.
Short of such review, this project provides a heretofore unavailable
framework for examining how the U.S. war in Iraq came to pass. Clearly,
it calls into question the repeated assertions of Bush administration
officials that they were the unwitting victims of bad intelligence.
Above all, the 935 false statements painstakingly presented here finally
help to answer two all-too-familiar questions as they apply to Bush and
his top advisers: What did they know, and when did they know it?
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
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| User: "redc1c4" |
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| Title: Re: False Pretenses |
23 Jan 2008 11:27:12 PM |
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dapra wrote:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ owned & opperated by George Soros.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
great deal here.For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will
use nuclear,chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is
the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser,Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you,after consulting with Congress,and consistent with the
U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,if
appropriate,air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons
of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,Tom
Daschle,John Kerry and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D,CA),Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In
addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop
longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our
allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear
capacity.This he has refused to do"
- Rep.Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear,however, that if
left unchecked,Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity
to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to
develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator,leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
redc1c4,
leading dapra the donkey to the feed bag of truth. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: False Pretenses |
24 Jan 2008 08:55:25 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:27:12 -0800 in
479821B0.B3D45F11@drunkenbastards.org.ies, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
dapra wrote:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ owned & opperated by George
Soros.
<SNIP>
No matter how many of these you post, Bush still lied.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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βI believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.β
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "redc1c4" |
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| Title: Re: False Pretenses |
24 Jan 2008 11:26:26 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:27:12 -0800 in
479821B0.B3D45F11@drunkenbastards.org.ies, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
dapra wrote:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ owned & opperated by George
Soros.
<SNIP>
No matter how many of these you post, Bush still lied.
and no matter how often you and George Soros claim that, it isn't true.
redc1c4,
(unless all the Democraps did too. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: False Pretenses |
25 Jan 2008 07:19:45 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:26:26 +0000 in
4799735A.96E4CE66@drunkenbastards.org.ies, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:27:12 -0800 in
479821B0.B3D45F11@drunkenbastards.org.ies, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
dapra wrote:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ owned & opperated by George
Soros.
<SNIP>
No matter how many of these you post, Bush still lied.
and no matter how often you and George Soros claim that, it isn't true.
Except that it's true the Bush administration lied, you'd have a point...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
βTo die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble.
But how much nobler it would be if men died for
ideas that were true!β
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: False Pretenses |
25 Jan 2008 12:47:01 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:26:26 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:27:12 -0800 in
479821B0.B3D45F11@drunkenbastards.org.ies, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
dapra wrote:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ owned & opperated by George
Soros.
<SNIP>
No matter how many of these you post, Bush still lied.
and no matter how often you and George Soros claim that, it isn't true.
LOL, you wish. And you look really silly doin it too.
redc1c4,
(unless all the Democraps did too. %-)
You think that might make it OK?
I've got a war to sell you and your kids. Hand over you salary, we
are giving the big guys more tax cuts and you need to pony up to make
up for it.
Oh, and don't forget your grandkids. They get to go too.
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: False Pretenses |
23 Jan 2008 11:37:01 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:27:12 -0800, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
dapra wrote:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ owned & opperated by George Soros.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
great deal here.For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will
use nuclear,chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is
the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser,Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you,after consulting with Congress,and consistent with the
U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,if
appropriate,air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons
of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,Tom
Daschle,John Kerry and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D,CA),Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In
addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop
longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our
allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear
capacity.This he has refused to do"
- Rep.Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear,however, that if
left unchecked,Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity
to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to
develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator,leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
redc1c4,
leading dapra the donkey to the feed bag of truth. %-)
How many of those people started a war?
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| User: "redc1c4" |
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| Title: Re: False Pretenses |
24 Jan 2008 12:19:57 AM |
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Kate wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:27:12 -0800, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
dapra wrote:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ owned & opperated by George Soros.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
great deal here.For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will
use nuclear,chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is
the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser,Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you,after consulting with Congress,and consistent with the
U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,if
appropriate,air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons
of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,Tom
Daschle,John Kerry and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D,CA),Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In
addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop
longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our
allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear
capacity.This he has refused to do"
- Rep.Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear,however, that if
left unchecked,Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity
to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to
develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator,leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
redc1c4,
leading dapra the donkey to the feed bag of truth. %-)
How many of those people started a war?
all of them. if they were so dead set against hostilities, they could have
said so, but that might have cost them something.
instead, they are weasels..... saying whatever keeps them in power.
redc1c4,
(power given them by fools like you. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
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| User: "David Casey" |
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24 Jan 2008 12:18:56 AM |
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On 23 Jan 2008 23:37:01 -0600, Kate wrote:
How many of those people started a war?
So it would have been okay in the mid-90's to go to war with Iraq but not
in 2003?
But you missing the point was noted.
Dave
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| User: "Kate " |
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24 Jan 2008 08:18:03 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:18:56 -0700, David Casey
<sgtcasey@REMOVEMETOWORKcomcast.net> wrote:
On 23 Jan 2008 23:37:01 -0600, Kate wrote:
How many of those people started a war?
So it would have been okay in the mid-90's to go to war with Iraq but not
in 2003?
But you missing the point was noted.
Wow, you managed to damage the irony meter there.
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| User: "dapra" |
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24 Jan 2008 06:32:25 AM |
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redc1c4 wrote:
dapra wrote:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ owned & opperated by George Soros.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
[...]
You keep posting this. I don't know what's your point, I try to guess it;
* Clinton and his administration lied too? Wow! What a discovery! You
must be the last person in the Universe to realize it.
* Clinton and his administration wanted to get rid of Saddam too? The
neocons, JINSA advocated attacking Iraq before even the Clinton
presidency. So Clinton gave them some talk. It is about $ 700 billion
cheaper than the actual war so far.
* Do you suggest that Clinton a 'left wing liberal' agreed with Bush? Of
course Clinton had never been a 'left wing liberal'.
Bill Clinton "Was the Best Republican President We've Had in a While".
according to Greenspan. I agree with him on that.
If you can get over your habit of cut and paste and your right winger
one liners, I'd be interested in your comment. What are you trying to prove?
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