The Book of Daniel contains some things which came to pass in the first
century, and it contains some things that have been coming to pass ever
since they were written, and it contains some things that nobody will
understand until they do come to pass.

It also may contain elements that have had different, equally valid meanings
to different generations.

It contains many figures of Christ, such as the figure in the furnace.

Prophesy is not an easy thing and the pages of Church history are full of
people who got their interpretations of prophesy wrong, and took their
versions too dogmatically.

The Book of Daniel contains some things which came to pass in the first
century, and it contains some things that have been coming to pass ever
since they were written, and it contains some things that nobody will
understand until they do come to pass.


It also may contain elements that have had different, equally valid meanings
to different generations.

Daniel 9's prophecy that culminates in 32 A.D. is signficant evidence that
this is when the the crucifixion occurred.

Bobby D. Bryant wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bobby D. Bryant wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:

lizzard woman wrote:

Did you ever respond to Grinder? He put a lot of work into
diagramming your post resurrection harmonization btw the 4
gospels?

Yes, I've been talking with him about this in another thread. I'm
waiting for him to ask his questions.

Would you also address my comments on your interpretation of the
Daniel prophecy, i.e. your use of the wrong starting date and your
apparently arbitrary choice of the end date?

Sure. Can you either give a link to that thread or repost it?

Here ya go:

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Daniel 9 is a prophetic chapter of the Bible. Those scriptures give
us a mathematical prophecy regarding the day Jesus would enter
Jerusalem. You can see these here: http://daniel9.jcsm.org .

Someone else has already pointed out the flaws in your numerology;
here I call attention to the flaws in the data you apply it to as
well.

From your page:
"""
According to the scriptures, the command to rebuild Jerusalem was
given in the "month of Nisan and the twentieth year of King
Artaxerxes". This king was the King Artaxerxes Longimanus of
Persia. The day when he gave the command to rebuild Jerusalem was
March 14, 445 B.C.

History records Artaxerxes' reign as being from 465 - 425
B.C. Historians have also recorded that "The first of Nisan is a new
year for the computation of the reign of Kings and for festivals", so
we know that the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, which would have been a
major decree, was issued on the first of Nisan. In 445 B.C., this day
fell on March 14.
"""

You miss the fact that 445 was when Nehemiah showed up and build the
_wall_ of Jerusalem. Ezra had already gone out to rebuild the city
with Artaxerxes' blessings fourteen years previously.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra>

Here is what your entry states:

For about fourteen years, (i.e. until 445 BC), we have no record of what
went on in Jerusalem after Ezra had set in order the ecclesiastical and
civil affairs of the nation. In that year another distinguished personage,
Nehemiah, appears on the scene. After the ruined wall of the city had been
built by Nehemiah, there was a great gathering of the people at Jerusalem
preparatory to the dedication of the wall. On the appointed day the whole
population assembled, and the law was read aloud to them by Ezra and his
assistants (Neh. 8:3). The remarkable scene is described in detail. There
was a great religious awakening. For successive days they held solemn
assemblies, confessing their sins and offering up solemn sacrifices. They
kept also the feast of Tabernacles with great solemnity and joyous
enthusiasm, and then renewed their national covenant to be the Lord's.
Abuses were rectified, and arrangements for the temple service completed,
and now nothing remained but the dedication of the walls of the city (Neh.
12).

Does this really support your argument?

Your end date of 32 CE seems to be a choice of convenience.
Suggestions for the year of the crucifixion range from 27-36, but 30
and 33 seem to be the most well accepted. How do you identify 32 as
the correct date? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ>

Your entry says this:

Christians believe he was a historical figure who lived from about 6–4 BC to
about AD 29–33

The dates are even narrower than you said.

Daniel 9's prophecy that culminates in 32 A.D. is signficant evidence that
this is when the the crucifixion occurred.

For that matter, how do you identify Palm Sunday as the target of the
prophesized "until Messiah the Prince", instead of (say), the
nativity, the baptism, or the resurrection?

If you study Jesus' life and His teachings, he generally told people to keep
quiet about Him being the Messiah. We so no place in the New Testament
where He stood in public and allowed lots of people to worship and praise
Him as Messiah.

On Palm Sunday, we see something different. We see Jesus fulfilling some
Messianic prophecies and a lot of people publicly worshiping Him, calling
Him the Messiah, etc. This was the day that Daniel talked about. This was
the "day" that Jesus warned some of them about because they missed it and
didn't understand the prophecies.

Luke 19:41-44 reads, "41Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over
it, 42saying, "If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the
things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.
43For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment
around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44and level you,
and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you
one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your
visitation."

Now, back to the prophecy as quoted on your page:

"""
Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city,
to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make
reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to
seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy. Know
therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to
restore and build Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince, there shall be
seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and
the wall, even in troublesome times. And after the sixty-two weeks,
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the
prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The
end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war
desolations are determined.
"""

Are the 62 weeks to be measured from the start, or from the end of the
seven weeks?
Either way, what do the 7 weeks indicate?
Who is the
"prince who is to come", and in which of those weeks was the city
destroyed. And what was the flood thing all about?

You get the sequence of events a bit out of order (above). When you put
them in order, they are easier to understand. Let me quote the verses, then
explain.

26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

I'll just post it again with my comments and they'll answer your questions.

26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

- This is referring to Jesus' death.

And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

- The "prince to come" means the Anti-Christ. He is the evil leader that
will come. If the people that destory the city are not acting on behalf of
God, then they are acting on the behalf of Satan and the Anti-Christ.

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

- This flood refers to a "diaspora" or a flooding of people from Jerusalem.
This happened as the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. and the Jews were
scattered.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

- This is referring to a future event. This is when the Anti-Christ will be
ruling. He will be the only one to be able to make a peace treaty in the
Middle East that actually works and lasts. It will be a 7 year treaty and
the temple sacrifices will be reinstituted. However, in the middle of this
7 years, he will stop them and he will begin having people worship him
instead.