Religions > Atheism > FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians
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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"lizzard woman" |
| Date: |
24 Jan 2005 10:07:52 AM |
| Object: |
FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
Grinder,
Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion to the newsgroups when you
post you new thread on the chronology?
My ISP doesn't have free.christians and Google gets the posts several hours
after they are posted. I have been following the first thread on Mary
weeping with great interest and I just was wondering if you could add one of
the other groups that my ISP does carry so I can read along more easily.
Thanks in advance if you can help me out. As of now Google doesn't have any
new thread from you for Jason on his chronology so I hope I wrote in time.
Best regards,
sharon
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "Grinder" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 10:30:47 AM |
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lizzard woman wrote:
Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
the chronology?
Surely.
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 10:44:24 AM |
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"Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| lizzard woman wrote:
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| > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > the chronology?
|
| Surely.
You're too good to me. :)
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long. Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Best regards,
sharon
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| User: "David D." |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 10:58:40 AM |
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lizzard woman wrote:
"Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| lizzard woman wrote:
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| > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > the chronology?
|
| Surely.
You're too good to me. :)
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I have
to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good manners,
although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
David
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 11:13:39 AM |
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"David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| lizzard woman wrote:
| > "Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| > | lizzard woman wrote:
| > |
| > | > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > | > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > | > the chronology?
| > |
| > | Surely.
| >
| > You're too good to me. :)
| >
| > And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
| Usually, he
| > flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
|
|
| Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I have
| to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
| willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
| just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good manners,
| although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
True but sometimes he runs even in the face of reasonably polite discourse.
I would say his refusal(inability) to answer McHugh's questions I posted
from the actual debate is a case in point. I suspect he might have just
answered those six numbers questions, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, if
he could.
There's a reason why he didn't answer them in the debate and it's the same
reason he didn't answer them when I posted them. And it's NOT the reason
that he gave... something about being unimpressed with the questions. Well
if they are so unimpressive then he should be able to answer them in
relatively short order, no?
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "David D." |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 11:27:27 AM |
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lizzard woman wrote:
"David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| lizzard woman wrote:
| > "Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| > | lizzard woman wrote:
| > |
| > | > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > | > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > | > the chronology?
| > |
| > | Surely.
| >
| > You're too good to me. :)
| >
| > And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
| > Usually, he flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's
cornered.
|
|
| Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I
have
| to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
| willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
| just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good
manners,
| although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
True but sometimes he runs even in the face of reasonably polite
discourse.
I would say his refusal(inability) to answer McHugh's questions I
posted
from the actual debate is a case in point. I suspect he might have
just
answered those six numbers questions, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, if
he could.
There's a reason why he didn't answer them in the debate and it's the
same
reason he didn't answer them when I posted them. And it's NOT the
reason
that he gave... something about being unimpressed with the questions.
Well
if they are so unimpressive then he should be able to answer them in
relatively short order, no?
No doubt he should be able to answer them easily. Lets hope Grinder
will have success in engaging Jason on those issues. I sense that
Jason is overwhelmed by multipart questions hence the easy to run
excuse You're question bombing. so grinders approach of one at a time
might yield more discussion.
Strangely, in Grinders previous thread, Davey is trying to argue that
the bible is subjective BUT not to God. I'm not sure what to make of
it but I can't see how that makes any sense. Apparently it does have
errors but God can harmonize these errors?
Kind of like Newtons theories of gravitation versus Einsteins theory of
relativity? F=ma is a good approximation and despite being technically
wrong cannot be considered an error? God on the other hand sees
everything from Einsteins perspective. Maybe this analogy is a
stretch.
David
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 12:03:09 PM |
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"David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106587647.224201.65410@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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| lizzard woman wrote:
| > "David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | lizzard woman wrote:
| > | > "Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | lizzard woman wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > | > | > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > | > | > the chronology?
| > | > |
| > | > | Surely.
| > | >
| > | > You're too good to me. :)
| > | >
| > | > And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
| > | > Usually, he flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's
| cornered.
| > |
| > |
| > | Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I
| have
| > | to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
| > | willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
| > | just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good
| manners,
| > | although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
| >
| > True but sometimes he runs even in the face of reasonably polite
| discourse.
| > I would say his refusal(inability) to answer McHugh's questions I
| posted
| > from the actual debate is a case in point. I suspect he might have
| just
| > answered those six numbers questions, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
| boom, if
| > he could.
| >
| > There's a reason why he didn't answer them in the debate and it's the
| same
| > reason he didn't answer them when I posted them. And it's NOT the
| reason
| > that he gave... something about being unimpressed with the questions.
| Well
| > if they are so unimpressive then he should be able to answer them in
| > relatively short order, no?
|
|
| No doubt he should be able to answer them easily. Lets hope Grinder
| will have success in engaging Jason on those issues. I sense that
| Jason is overwhelmed by multipart questions hence the easy to run
| excuse You're question bombing. so grinders approach of one at a time
| might yield more discussion.
I think you're right. But then Gastrich's book is "assertion bombing" for
the same reason. ;)
| Strangely, in Grinders previous thread, Davey is trying to argue that
| the bible is subjective BUT not to God. I'm not sure what to make of
| it but I can't see how that makes any sense. Apparently it does have
| errors but God can harmonize these errors?
|
| Kind of like Newtons theories of gravitation versus Einsteins theory of
| relativity? F=ma is a good approximation and despite being technically
| wrong cannot be considered an error? God on the other hand sees
| everything from Einsteins perspective. Maybe this analogy is a
| stretch.
Davey and Jason are completely at odds over this issue AFAICT but I doubt
you will see them acknowledging it.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 12:45:22 PM |
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Uzytkownik "lizzard woman" <kimosabeRMOVE@shaw.ca> napisal w wiadomosci
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"David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| lizzard woman wrote:
| > "David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | lizzard woman wrote:
| > | > "Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | lizzard woman wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > | > | > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > | > | > the chronology?
| > | > |
| > | > | Surely.
| > | >
| > | > You're too good to me. :)
| > | >
| > | > And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
| > | > Usually, he flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's
| cornered.
| > |
| > |
| > | Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I
| have
| > | to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
| > | willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
| > | just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good
| manners,
| > | although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
| >
| > True but sometimes he runs even in the face of reasonably polite
| discourse.
| > I would say his refusal(inability) to answer McHugh's questions I
| posted
| > from the actual debate is a case in point. I suspect he might have
| just
| > answered those six numbers questions, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
| boom, if
| > he could.
| >
| > There's a reason why he didn't answer them in the debate and it's the
| same
| > reason he didn't answer them when I posted them. And it's NOT the
| reason
| > that he gave... something about being unimpressed with the questions.
| Well
| > if they are so unimpressive then he should be able to answer them in
| > relatively short order, no?
|
|
| No doubt he should be able to answer them easily. Lets hope Grinder
| will have success in engaging Jason on those issues. I sense that
| Jason is overwhelmed by multipart questions hence the easy to run
| excuse You're question bombing. so grinders approach of one at a time
| might yield more discussion.
I think you're right. But then Gastrich's book is "assertion bombing" for
the same reason. ;)
| Strangely, in Grinders previous thread, Davey is trying to argue that
| the bible is subjective BUT not to God. I'm not sure what to make of
| it but I can't see how that makes any sense. Apparently it does have
| errors but God can harmonize these errors?
|
| Kind of like Newtons theories of gravitation versus Einsteins theory of
| relativity? F=ma is a good approximation and despite being technically
| wrong cannot be considered an error? God on the other hand sees
| everything from Einsteins perspective. Maybe this analogy is a
| stretch.
Davey and Jason are completely at odds over this issue AFAICT but I doubt
you will see them acknowledging it.
God made both Einsteinian physics and Planckian physics, although they
contradict each other. They cannot of course really be in contradiction, for
both are true. So it is, I say, with the apparent contradictions of
scripture. God is great and complex enough for these not to be a problem,
but we in our limited understanding may bstumble on them if we choose to do
so.
I doubt that Jason actually disagrees with this. I am saying that whatever
problems there are in the Bible are of our perception and not of God's
provision of a wrongful text. He did not provide us with a wrongful text,
but a text that is sufficient and authoritative guidance in the crucial
matters of faith and life, and also with accurate insights on the origin and
destiny as well as purpose of mankind.
The Bible is not fallible, but we are. Maybe that is why the Bible doesn't
refer to itself as infallible, but does say that all scripture is
profitable, in the spiritual meaning of that word. We do not have a faulty
Bible.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Grinder" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 02:23:14 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
God made both Einsteinian physics and Planckian physics
Are you referring to the contrast between statistical thermodynamics
and classical thermodynamics? What do you mean by Planckian physics?
Just curious.
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 05:03:58 PM |
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"Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Uncle Davey wrote:
God made both Einsteinian physics and Planckian physics
Are you referring to the contrast between statistical thermodynamics
and classical thermodynamics? What do you mean by Planckian physics?
Just curious.
I am referring to the apparant randomness in quantum mechanics which
Einstein rected to with "Gott spielt nicht mit Wuerfel" - God does not play
dice.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 05:45:22 PM |
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On 24 Jan 2005 09:27:27 -0800, "David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Kind of like Newtons theories of gravitation versus Einsteins theory of
relativity? F=ma is a good approximation and despite being technically
wrong cannot be considered an error? God on the other hand sees
everything from Einsteins perspective.
But God is no Einstein.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 01:26:29 PM |
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In article <1106585920.536399.248460
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, David D. <daycd@hotmail.com>
declared...
lizzard woman wrote:
"Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| lizzard woman wrote:
|
| > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > the chronology?
|
| Surely.
You're too good to me. :)
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I have
to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good manners,
although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
It hasn't worked for me. I try to always remain polite, and I
think I've succeeded, but Jason usually only responds to me a
couple of times before moving on. I do use sarcasm alot, and he
might view that as rudeness. Actually, I suspect he prefers the
more abusive posts because they make him feel like he's justified
in claiming that he's been abused.
--
Greg
----
greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 01:30:14 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:26:29 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
wrote:
In article <1106585920.536399.248460
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, David D. <daycd@hotmail.com>
declared...
lizzard woman wrote:
"Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| lizzard woman wrote:
|
| > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > the chronology?
|
| Surely.
You're too good to me. :)
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I have
to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good manners,
although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
It hasn't worked for me. I try to always remain polite, and I
think I've succeeded, but Jason usually only responds to me a
couple of times before moving on. I do use sarcasm alot, and he
might view that as rudeness. Actually, I suspect he prefers the
more abusive posts because they make him feel like he's justified
in claiming that he's been abused.
And he doesn't imagine what he says and does to atheists is rudeness?
.
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 05:02:09 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:55jav0hjucvaa53nupb6nar51n6479ce70@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:26:29 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
wrote:
In article <1106585920.536399.248460
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, David D. <daycd@hotmail.com>
declared...
lizzard woman wrote:
"Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| lizzard woman wrote:
|
| > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > the chronology?
|
| Surely.
You're too good to me. :)
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I have
to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good manners,
although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
It hasn't worked for me. I try to always remain polite, and I
think I've succeeded, but Jason usually only responds to me a
couple of times before moving on. I do use sarcasm alot, and he
might view that as rudeness. Actually, I suspect he prefers the
more abusive posts because they make him feel like he's justified
in claiming that he's been abused.
And he doesn't imagine what he says and does to atheists is rudeness?
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us, so what do you want?
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 05:08:43 PM |
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In article <ct3upq$v67$0@pita.alt.net> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> writes:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:55jav0hjucvaa53nupb6nar51n6479ce70@4ax.com...
{...}
And he doesn't imagine what he says and does to atheists is rudeness?
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us, so what do you want?
If that's actually true for you, then "thinking" with something further
north than your limbic system would make for a real good start.
-- cary
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 05:10:29 PM |
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In article <ct3upq$v67$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:55jav0hjucvaa53nupb6nar51n6479ce70@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:26:29 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
wrote:
In article <1106585920.536399.248460
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, David D. <daycd@hotmail.com>
declared...
lizzard woman wrote:
"Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106584247.015286.91590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| lizzard woman wrote:
|
| > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > the chronology?
|
| Surely.
You're too good to me. :)
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I have
to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good manners,
although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
It hasn't worked for me. I try to always remain polite, and I
think I've succeeded, but Jason usually only responds to me a
couple of times before moving on. I do use sarcasm alot, and he
might view that as rudeness. Actually, I suspect he prefers the
more abusive posts because they make him feel like he's justified
in claiming that he's been abused.
And he doesn't imagine what he says and does to atheists is rudeness?
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us, so what do you want?
Thank you for that example of the christian attitude. Only
christians have a right to life. The rest of us should do the
polite thing and just drop dead.
I'm surprised Uncle Davey was so frank.
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Greg
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 05:20:50 PM |
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"Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> wrote in message
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In article <ct3upq$v67$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:26:29 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
wrote:
In article <1106585920.536399.248460
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, David D. <daycd@hotmail.com>
declared...
lizzard woman wrote:
"Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| lizzard woman wrote:
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| > Could you please add alt.atheism or alt.religion
| > to the newsgroups when you post you new thread on
| > the chronology?
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| Surely.
You're too good to me. :)
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I
have
to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good
manners,
although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
It hasn't worked for me. I try to always remain polite, and I
think I've succeeded, but Jason usually only responds to me a
couple of times before moving on. I do use sarcasm alot, and he
might view that as rudeness. Actually, I suspect he prefers the
more abusive posts because they make him feel like he's justified
in claiming that he's been abused.
And he doesn't imagine what he says and does to atheists is rudeness?
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us, so what do you want?
Thank you for that example of the christian attitude. Only
christians have a right to life. The rest of us should do the
polite thing and just drop dead.
No, you should convert, as you are told to do.
Dropping dead prior to doing so would not be advisable, not in our theology
anyway.
Christians don't have a right to life, but at least we know who to be
grateful to that we have it, and rank ingratitude is a mainstay of rudeness.
I'm surprised Uncle Davey was so frank.
Frankness is the way I prefer to play.
Now please repent of your sin, and try to believe and trust in Jesus.
Nothing else will do you any long-term good.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 05:52:00 PM |
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In article <ct3vss$2vj$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
"Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> wrote in message
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In article <ct3upq$v67$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:55jav0hjucvaa53nupb6nar51n6479ce70@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:26:29 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
wrote:
In article <1106585920.536399.248460
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, David D. <daycd@hotmail.com>
declared...
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this long.
Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion. I
have
to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly seems
willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil. We
just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good
manners,
although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
It hasn't worked for me. I try to always remain polite, and I
think I've succeeded, but Jason usually only responds to me a
couple of times before moving on. I do use sarcasm alot, and he
might view that as rudeness. Actually, I suspect he prefers the
more abusive posts because they make him feel like he's justified
in claiming that he's been abused.
And he doesn't imagine what he says and does to atheists is rudeness?
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us, so what do you want?
Thank you for that example of the christian attitude. Only
christians have a right to life. The rest of us should do the
polite thing and just drop dead.
No, you should convert, as you are told to do.
I'm sorry if it offends you that I actually use my brain, but I'm
afraid I have no plans to stop.
Dropping dead prior to doing so would not be advisable, not in our theology
anyway.
But in the absence of a lobotomy, it's the only way that I can
stop being rude to you.
Christians don't have a right to life
Oh. If I ever decide to commit murder, I'll keep that in mind.
but at least we know who to be
grateful to that we have it, and rank ingratitude is a mainstay of rudeness.
I'm not ungrateful to anyone.
I'm surprised Uncle Davey was so frank.
Frankness is the way I prefer to play.
....even if it is kind of rude.
Now please repent of your sin,
I have not sinned.
and try to believe and trust in Jesus.
I already tried that. My brain kept getting in the way.
Nothing else will do you any long-term good.
Really? A good diet and exercise seem to do good. A little extra
money wouldn't hurt either.
--
Greg
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
25 Jan 2005 03:46:49 AM |
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Użytkownik "Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> napisał w wiadomości
news:MPG.1c5f46196030f049896a9@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <ct3vss$2vj$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
"Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c5f3c5b7982a3f39896a8@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <ct3upq$v67$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:55jav0hjucvaa53nupb6nar51n6479ce70@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:26:29 -0600, Gregory A Greenman
<see@sig.below>
wrote:
In article <1106585920.536399.248460
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, David D. <daycd@hotmail.com>
declared...
And my hat's off to you for keeping Gastrich engaged this
long.
Usually, he
flies off in a huff and says a prayer when he's cornered.
Yea, i was impressed and it was a very enlightening dicussion.
I
have
to say it warrants being polite to Jason since he certainly
seems
willing to engage in real discussion with those that are civil.
We
just need to bite our tongues more and follow Grinders good
manners,
although I admit, sometimes it is hard.
It hasn't worked for me. I try to always remain polite, and I
think I've succeeded, but Jason usually only responds to me a
couple of times before moving on. I do use sarcasm alot, and he
might view that as rudeness. Actually, I suspect he prefers the
more abusive posts because they make him feel like he's justified
in claiming that he's been abused.
And he doesn't imagine what he says and does to atheists is
rudeness?
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us, so what do you
want?
Thank you for that example of the christian attitude. Only
christians have a right to life. The rest of us should do the
polite thing and just drop dead.
No, you should convert, as you are told to do.
I'm sorry if it offends you that I actually use my brain, but I'm
afraid I have no plans to stop.
You didn't become an atheist by the use of the brain, that's for sure.
Dropping dead prior to doing so would not be advisable, not in our
theology
anyway.
But in the absence of a lobotomy, it's the only way that I can
stop being rude to you.
You need the stoney heart cut out of your flesh, and to be given an heart of
flesh.
Christians don't have a right to life
Oh. If I ever decide to commit murder, I'll keep that in mind.
No-one has.
Life is a gift of God.
but at least we know who to be
grateful to that we have it, and rank ingratitude is a mainstay of
rudeness.
I'm not ungrateful to anyone.
Only the One who gave you your very existence, and has kept you till this
hour.
I'm surprised Uncle Davey was so frank.
Frankness is the way I prefer to play.
...even if it is kind of rude.
Did you say that in a David Niven voice?
No, he wouldn't have said 'kind of' he'd have said 'rather'.
Now please repent of your sin,
I have not sinned.
Don't make it worse by lying.
and try to believe and trust in Jesus.
I already tried that. My brain kept getting in the way.
Don't confuse your body parts, please.
Nothing else will do you any long-term good.
Really? A good diet and exercise seem to do good. A little extra
money wouldn't hurt either.
These are only short-term solutions.
Money, power and authority, carnal gratification and physical health obsess
us, but they, like the fish given to the starving man, are ephemeral
nourishments.
Such comforts are fleeting, and only the work of Christ and His mercy endure
for ever.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
25 Jan 2005 11:58:40 PM |
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In article <ct54m4$uc9$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
Użytkownik "Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> napisał w wiadomości
news:MPG.1c5f46196030f049896a9@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <ct3vss$2vj$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
"Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c5f3c5b7982a3f39896a8@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <ct3upq$v67$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us,
so what do you want?
Thank you for that example of the christian attitude. Only
christians have a right to life. The rest of us should do the
polite thing and just drop dead.
No, you should convert, as you are told to do.
I'm sorry if it offends you that I actually use my brain, but I'm
afraid I have no plans to stop.
You didn't become an atheist by the use of the brain, that's for sure.
I became an atheist by being born. When I was born, I started to
use my brain. I remained an atheist because I refused to stop
using my brain.
Dropping dead prior to doing so would not be advisable,
not in our theology anyway.
But in the absence of a lobotomy, it's the only way that I can
stop being rude to you.
You need the stoney heart cut out of your flesh, and to be given an heart of
flesh.
My heart is just fine.
Christians don't have a right to life
Oh. If I ever decide to commit murder, I'll keep that in mind.
No-one has.
Life is a gift of God.
Nope. Your god doesn't exist. If you have evidence to prove me
wrong, please present it.
but at least we know who to be
grateful to that we have it, and rank ingratitude is a
mainstay of rudeness.
I'm not ungrateful to anyone.
Only the One who gave you your very existence, and has kept you till this
hour.
My parents?
I'm surprised Uncle Davey was so frank.
Frankness is the way I prefer to play.
...even if it is kind of rude.
Did you say that in a David Niven voice?
No, he wouldn't have said 'kind of' he'd have said 'rather'.
I'll confess, I have no idea what this means.
--
Greg
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 08:56:21 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:10:29 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
said in alt.atheism:
In article <ct3upq$v67$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us, so what do you want?
Thank you for that example of the christian attitude. Only
christians have a right to life. The rest of us should do the
polite thing and just drop dead.
I'm surprised Uncle Davey was so frank.
I doubt he has the intelligence to realize what his comment really
means. That the existence of intelligence greater than his own is
"rudeness" to him.
--
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
25 Jan 2005 08:56:36 AM |
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Uzytkownik "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> napisal w wiadomosci
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:10:29 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
said in alt.atheism:
In article <ct3upq$v67$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
The very existence of atheists is rudeness to us, so what do you want?
Thank you for that example of the christian attitude. Only
christians have a right to life. The rest of us should do the
polite thing and just drop dead.
I'm surprised Uncle Davey was so frank.
I doubt he has the intelligence to realize what his comment really
means. That the existence of intelligence greater than his own is
"rudeness" to him.
Atheism has nothing to do with intelligence, although it does have to do
with folly.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: FAO Grinder: In re new post-ressurection chronology thread on free.christians |
24 Jan 2005 05:46:12 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:30:14 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> said in alt.atheism:
And he doesn't imagine what he says and does to atheists is rudeness?
No. He's a Christian.
--
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
- Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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