| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"darwinist" |
| Date: |
29 May 2007 07:27:26 PM |
| Object: |
Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Thank you.
.
|
|
| User: "Al Klein" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
29 May 2007 09:46:49 PM |
|
|
On 29 May 2007 17:27:26 -0700, darwinist <darwinist@gmail.com> wrote:
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Trimming the post you're replying to is nice, but could you leave at
least a *little* context?
.
|
|
|
| User: "darwinist" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
29 May 2007 10:12:32 PM |
|
|
On May 30, 12:46 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 29 May 2007 17:27:26 -0700, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Trimming the post you're replying to is nice, but could you leave at
least a *little* context?
It's wasn't a reply. Sorry for being unclear. Try this on for size:
What is your favourite treatise on atheist morality? Anything not
based on god(s). Why is it your favourite?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Al Klein" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
30 May 2007 07:50:05 AM |
|
|
On 29 May 2007 20:12:32 -0700, darwinist <darwinist@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your favourite treatise on atheist morality? Anything not
based on god(s). Why is it your favourite?
The same as the one on green paint morality. Atheism is about lacking
a particular belief - there are as many moral systems in atheism as
there are in coffee drinking.
.
|
|
|
| User: "darwinist" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
30 May 2007 07:49:40 PM |
|
|
On May 30, 10:50 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 29 May 2007 20:12:32 -0700, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your favourite treatise on atheist morality? Anything not
based on god(s). Why is it your favourite?
The same as the one on green paint morality. Atheism is about lacking
a particular belief - there are as many moral systems in atheism as
there are in coffee drinking.
Fair enough, but do you have a favourite one that has been written
about in detail?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Al Klein" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
31 May 2007 07:34:15 AM |
|
|
On 30 May 2007 17:49:40 -0700, darwinist <darwinist@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 30, 10:50 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 29 May 2007 20:12:32 -0700, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your favourite treatise on atheist morality? Anything not
based on god(s). Why is it your favourite?
The same as the one on green paint morality. Atheism is about lacking
a particular belief - there are as many moral systems in atheism as
there are in coffee drinking.
Fair enough, but do you have a favourite one that has been written
about in detail?
"Moral system" is almost invariably an oxymoron. A moral system is as
moral as a moral majority.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Marvin" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
31 May 2007 07:51:54 AM |
|
|
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:b3gt53tnub9fn7gq5kpdmoge659335vbjn@4ax.com...
On 30 May 2007 17:49:40 -0700, darwinist <darwinist@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 30, 10:50 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 29 May 2007 20:12:32 -0700, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your favourite treatise on atheist morality? Anything not
based on god(s). Why is it your favourite?
The same as the one on green paint morality. Atheism is about lacking
a particular belief - there are as many moral systems in atheism as
there are in coffee drinking.
Fair enough, but do you have a favourite one that has been written
about in detail?
"Moral system" is almost invariably an oxymoron. A moral system is as
moral as a moral majority.
LOL! I can't tell who is the green paint moralist here, but I know a number
of people who can become quite emotional over the correct shade and brand of
green, red, or orange paint. So, may we assume you're a John Deere man?
Marvin
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
31 May 2007 05:48:31 PM |
|
|
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:b3gt53tnub9fn7gq5kpdmoge659335vbjn@4ax.com...
On 30 May 2007 17:49:40 -0700, darwinist <darwinist@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 30, 10:50 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 29 May 2007 20:12:32 -0700, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your favourite treatise on atheist morality? Anything not
based on god(s). Why is it your favourite?
The same as the one on green paint morality. Atheism is about lacking
a particular belief - there are as many moral systems in atheism as
there are in coffee drinking.
Fair enough, but do you have a favourite one that has been written
about in detail?
"Moral system" is almost invariably an oxymoron. A moral system is as
moral as a moral majority.
Many atheists follow the philosophy of humanism:
http://www.humanists.org/hum_lamont.htm
.
|
|
|
| User: "zinnic" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
31 May 2007 07:07:27 PM |
|
|
On May 31, 5:48 pm, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:b3gt53tnub9fn7gq5kpdmoge659335vbjn@4ax.com...
On 30 May 2007 17:49:40 -0700, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 30, 10:50 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 29 May 2007 20:12:32 -0700, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your favourite treatise on atheist morality? Anything not
based on god(s). Why is it your favourite?
The same as the one on green paint morality. Atheism is about lacking
a particular belief - there are as many moral systems in atheism as
there are in coffee drinking.
Fair enough, but do you have a favourite one that has been written
about in detail?
"Moral system" is almost invariably an oxymoron. A moral system is as
moral as a moral majority.
Many atheists follow the philosophy of humanism:
http://www.humanists.org/hum_lamont.htm- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My first is to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
My second is " Screw me once, shame on you: screw me twice, shame on
me !
My third is "There is no God, let's all try to get along"!.
Zinnic
.
|
|
|
| User: "Don Martin" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
01 Jun 2007 10:51:32 AM |
|
|
On 31 May 2007 17:07:27 -0700, zinnic <zeenric2@gate.net> wrote:
<snip>
My third is "There is no God, let's all try to get along"!.
Mine is akin to it: There are no imaginary superfriends: we are all we
have got.
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
01 Jun 2007 06:34:10 PM |
|
|
In article <d0g0635veui4vfg93liue0n2dpgqoubfbm@4ax.com>,
Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On 31 May 2007 17:07:27 -0700, zinnic <zeenric2@gate.net> wrote:
<snip>
My third is "There is no God, let's all try to get along"!.
Mine is akin to it: There are no imaginary superfriends: we are all we
have got.
Or as I say, this life is all we got, make the most of it.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
30 May 2007 12:12:18 AM |
|
|
On 29 May 2007 17:27:26 -0700, in alt.atheism , darwinist
<darwinist@gmail.com> in
<1180484846.436721.97530@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com> wrote:
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Thank you.
_I and Thou_ by Martin Buber (definitely not an atheist, but his
arguments and analysis do not depend on his or your belief in any
g(G)od(s) ), because it seems to lay out a notion of morality and
moral understanding and humanity and psychology that matches what I
see in the world and what I feel. Simply put, immorality comes from
seeing people as "the other". But read the book.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
29 May 2007 08:54:19 PM |
|
|
On May 29, 8:27 pm, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Thank you.
I thought Desire Utilitarianism is interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_utilitarianism
mostly because it's so simple and yet I can't find a hole in it.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Uncle Vic" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
29 May 2007 11:43:39 PM |
|
|
One fine day in alt.atheism, darwinist <darwinist@gmail.com> bloodied us
up with this:
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Thank you.
Why does morality have to be based on ancient mythology? Because you say
so? Does common sense not work for you? No wonder the majority of
prison inmates are Christians believing they will be saved, regardless of
the crimes they have committed against humaniy, as opposed to the crimes
their imaginary Jebus has absolved them of because they have proclaimed
they believe in "him".
Belief does not make one moral. Conduct does.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
30 May 2007 06:57:17 AM |
|
|
On 30 May 2007 04:43:39 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, darwinist <darwinist@gmail.com> bloodied us
up with this:
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Thank you.
Why does morality have to be based on ancient mythology? Because you say
so? Does common sense not work for you? No wonder the majority of
prison inmates are Christians believing they will be saved, regardless of
the crimes they have committed against humaniy, as opposed to the crimes
their imaginary Jebus has absolved them of because they have proclaimed
they believe in "him".
Belief does not make one moral. Conduct does.
I think David Bezerkowitz ("Son of Sam") was given an interview recently, having
become some sort of repentant Christian. Amazing what the press sucks up.
Ben
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "darwinist" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
30 May 2007 12:03:50 AM |
|
|
On May 30, 2:43 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> bloodied us
up with this:
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Thank you.
Why does morality have to be based on ancient mythology?
It doesn't. I know there are atheist morality treatises, I was just
asking what people's favourites are.
I must say I looked over the original post and can't see why you would
think it was insincere or rhetorical; but for the record: I'm not a
theist trying to imply that atheists can't be moral, I'm an atheist
interested in moral theory.
Because you say so?
Does common sense not work for you?
I find that people have vastly different ideas of "common-sense",
which is why it's good to see ideas being explored explicitly and in
detail.
I'd be interested to know, though, your idea of a common-sense
morality. Can you be more specific?
No wonder the majority of
prison inmates are Christians believing they will be saved, regardless of
the crimes they have committed against humaniy, as opposed to the crimes
their imaginary Jebus has absolved them of because they have proclaimed
they believe in "him".
Belief does not make one moral. Conduct does.
One could argue that belief influences conduct quite a bit.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Michael Gray" |
|
| Title: Re: Favourite Treatise on Atheist Morality? |
30 May 2007 02:10:42 AM |
|
|
On 29 May 2007 22:03:50 -0700, darwinist <darwinist@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1180501430.199696.105860@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
On May 30, 2:43 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, darwinist <darwin...@gmail.com> bloodied us
up with this:
They needn't be emphatically atheist, just without any basis in "God's
will".
And why is it your favourite?
Thank you.
Why does morality have to be based on ancient mythology?
It doesn't. I know there are atheist morality treatises, I was just
asking what people's favourites are.
I must say I looked over the original post and can't see why you would
think it was insincere or rhetorical; but for the record: I'm not a
theist trying to imply that atheists can't be moral, I'm an atheist
interested in moral theory.
That is the sense in which I "took it".
Because you say so?
Does common sense not work for you?
I find that people have vastly different ideas of "common-sense",
which is why it's good to see ideas being explored explicitly and in
detail.
I'd be interested to know, though, your idea of a common-sense
morality. Can you be more specific?
No wonder the majority of
prison inmates are Christians believing they will be saved, regardless of
the crimes they have committed against humaniy, as opposed to the crimes
their imaginary Jebus has absolved them of because they have proclaimed
they believe in "him".
Belief does not make one moral. Conduct does.
One could argue that belief influences conduct quite a bit.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
--
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
