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FCAS: 3 dead jw's.. Carol glee with joy! |
Bodies of 3 discovered in Orange City home
By Amy C. Rippel and David A. Collins | Sentinel Staff Writers Posted
December 2, 2003, 11:38 AM EST
ORANGE CITY -- Volusia County deputies continued their search Tuesday for
clues about why an Orange City woman and her two adult children were killed.
There had been no arrests and investigators did not release any new details
in the case Tuesday morning.
Earlier, investigators said the three, found dead inside a small home in a
quiet neighborhood Monday night, were homicide victims.
Investigators said they found signs of a struggle in the home at 765
Biscayne Drive in the Breezewood Park subdivision just south of Orange City.
Carmen Negron, 63, and her two sons, Gilberto Vergara-Negron, 28, and Yamir
Orlando Vergara-Negron, 26, were found dead in the home.
"This is the kind of stuff you don't think about happening in Orange City,
just in bigger cities," said Hector Rivera, 19, who said he was the victims'
cousin. "Everybody is freaked out about it."
About 7:30 p.m. Monday, the three bodies were found inside the home by a
friend or a passer-by, investigators said.
Authorities said they are looking for a 1995 white Honda Civic DX, with
license-plate number IR061B, that is associated with one of the victims,
sheriff's officials said. According to records, the car belongs to Carmen
Negron. The car was last seen Sunday.
Many people standing outside the home, which was surrounded by crime scene
tape, said the people who lived there were very religious with strong ties
to the Jehovah's Witnesses church.
Gabriel Torres, a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall in DeBary,
said he knew the family who lived in the home.
"They were a very humble family. All they did and all we do is serve
Jehovah," he said.
Mike Gonzalez, 59, who lives a few blocks away and jogs by their house
frequently, saw Negron just the other day while she was doing yard work. He
said she has lived there with her sons for about seven years.
"We've never had anything like this in the neighborhood. They're quiet,
they're very nice, they don't drink or smoke or anything like that. How
could that happen?" he said. "This is a tragedy. These people don't bother
anybody."
Susan Pirolo, 36, who lives in the neighborhood, said the community has
always been quiet.
Pirolo said she didn't notice anything unusual at the home in the past few
days. On Mondays, the family hosted church gatherings at the house.
"There's no crime in this neighborhood," she said. "None. This is an old
neighborhood," Pirolo said. "We watch each other's houses."
Charlene Hager-Van ***** of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report.
Amy C. Rippel can be reached at or 407-420-5736.
David A. Collins can be reached at
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06 Dec 2003 02:40:07 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: Bodies of 3 discovered in Orange City home
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: By Amy C. Rippel and David A. Collins | Sentinel Staff Writers Posted
: December 2, 2003, 11:38 AM EST
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It's tragic, but Jehovah's Witnesses are no more protected from violence
by their Watchtower god than anyone else.
Why would you cross-post to these newsgroups when you promote violence
against women? You've talked about "bashing in their faces and heads,
grinding their faces in gravel, whomping their heads in and beating them
into submission." You also feel women who are raped "asked for it" and
that they "deserve it"... remember? Surely anyone who cares to can find
many of your posts still on Google.
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Carol......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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06 Dec 2003 03:19:35 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:06:52 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
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Bodies of 3 discovered in Orange City home
By Amy C. Rippel and David A. Collins | Sentinel Staff Writers Posted
December 2, 2003, 11:38 AM EST
Carol is critical of WTBS doctrine, corruption, and how coercion and
threats of disfellowship are used to control people. It's similar to
the concept of hating the sin and loving the sinner, or don't you
think that an atheist or a secular humanist is capable of such things?
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| User: "ZeHole E. Gost" |
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06 Dec 2003 04:08:22 PM |
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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: Carol is critical of WTBS doctrine, corruption, and how coercion and
: threats of disfellowship are used to control people. It's similar to
: the concept of hating the sin and loving the sinner, or don't you
: think that an atheist or a secular humanist is capable of such things?
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Amen! As an agnostic I don't know if there's some kind of "higher power,"
nor do I care. But you're so right VB, it's not the JWs themselves.
They're basically (not all as we see on this NG) good people who have been
led-astray, manipulated, lied to, coerced, and USED by an evil
self-serving money-making machine called the Watchtower Society. Over the
years I saw what happened to innocent people who got maneuvered and
manipulated into this cult..... Jabriol just likes to exaggerate.
--
MiKrobez and Carol......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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| User: "His Eminence the Most Reverend Donki" |
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06 Dec 2003 04:16:09 PM |
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Jabby has and always will be a complete *****.
For almost 20 years he and many other fine JW's like him have clogged up
this good old NG with their excremental sputum.
As for Carol. Thanks the stars that she brings some sanity into a group
filled with fanatical religious idiots.
Hee Haw
"ZeHole E. Gost" <zehole@egost.net> wrote in message
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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: Carol is critical of WTBS doctrine, corruption, and how coercion and
: threats of disfellowship are used to control people. It's similar to
: the concept of hating the sin and loving the sinner, or don't you
: think that an atheist or a secular humanist is capable of such things?
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Amen! As an agnostic I don't know if there's some kind of "higher power,"
nor do I care. But you're so right VB, it's not the JWs themselves.
They're basically (not all as we see on this NG) good people who have been
led-astray, manipulated, lied to, coerced, and USED by an evil
self-serving money-making machine called the Watchtower Society. Over the
years I saw what happened to innocent people who got maneuvered and
manipulated into this cult..... Jabriol just likes to exaggerate.
--
MiKrobez and Carol......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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| User: "jabriol" |
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06 Dec 2003 05:02:29 PM |
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PB with yet another perosna..
hey Cornholio... ARJW is not 20 years old.
"His Eminence the Most Reverend Donki" <no@no.not> wrote in message
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Jabby has and always will be a complete *****.
For almost 20 years he and many other fine JW's like him have clogged up
this good old NG with their excremental sputum.
As for Carol. Thanks the stars that she brings some sanity into a group
filled with fanatical religious idiots.
Hee Haw
"ZeHole E. Gost" <zehole@egost.net> wrote in message
news:ztmdnWxOIfLHzk-iRVn-uA@heartoftn.net...
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:nsh4tvc92p2654stu337bclv3520a338md@4ax.com...
: Carol is critical of WTBS doctrine, corruption, and how coercion and
: threats of disfellowship are used to control people. It's similar to
: the concept of hating the sin and loving the sinner, or don't you
: think that an atheist or a secular humanist is capable of such things?
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Amen! As an agnostic I don't know if there's some kind of "higher
power,"
nor do I care. But you're so right VB, it's not the JWs themselves.
They're basically (not all as we see on this NG) good people who have
been
led-astray, manipulated, lied to, coerced, and USED by an evil
self-serving money-making machine called the Watchtower Society. Over
the
years I saw what happened to innocent people who got maneuvered and
manipulated into this cult..... Jabriol just likes to exaggerate.
--
MiKrobez and Carol......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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| User: "jabriol" |
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06 Dec 2003 05:00:21 PM |
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:nsh4tvc92p2654stu337bclv3520a338md@4ax.com...
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:06:52 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
wrote:
Bodies of 3 discovered in Orange City home
By Amy C. Rippel and David A. Collins | Sentinel Staff Writers Posted
December 2, 2003, 11:38 AM EST
Carol is critical of WTBS doctrine, corruption, and how coercion and
threats of disfellowship are used to control people.
well nobody force people to stay. 40,000 leave on a yearly basis one way or
another. Any organazation does the same. adhere to its rules or leave...
Carol is antagonistic, because she was a jw groupie for 20 yrs.. lot of time
to loose on a poor decision...
It's similar to
the concept of hating the sin and loving the sinner, or don't you
think that an atheist or a secular humanist is capable of such things?
nope they are not. love and sin are religious concepts. and they reject
all religion and the morals attached to it.
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07 Dec 2003 07:52:33 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:00:21 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
well nobody force people to stay. 40,000 leave on a yearly basis one way
or
another. Any organazation does the same. adhere to its rules or leave...
Carol is antagonistic, because she was a jw groupie for 20 yrs.. lot of
time
to loose on a poor decision...
Wow. You sure don't think much of JW, do you?
only what is necessarry.. I am not a fanatic.
love and sin are religious concepts.
Sorry, but even animals show love. And no animal but man is stupid
enough to be religious.
Animal show no love at all. Atheism and Evolution goes hand in hand. Animal
demostrate instinct not love. How many dogs do you know return to visit
their parents durring the holidays?
and they reject all religion and the morals attached to it.
Of course. Any sane person rejects horrible morals. Why would we
accept morals that say that slavery and raping children are okay?
And yet slavery and rape of children exist even among atheists and country
where comunism is the law of the land..
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| User: "ZeHole E. Gost" |
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08 Dec 2003 12:36:24 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: Animal show no love at all. Atheism and Evolution goes hand in hand.
Animal
: demostrate instinct not love. How many dogs do you know return to visit
: their parents durring the holidays?
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What a total moron!!! ROFLMAO! Everyone can see why your daughter
rejected the WTS's teachings. She had a lot more sense than you ever did.
:-) No go home and cook a nice dinner for your wife......
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -= Isaac Asimov =-
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08 Dec 2003 07:30:08 AM |
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"ZeHole E. Gost" <zehole@egost.net> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: Animal show no love at all. Atheism and Evolution goes hand in hand.
Animal
: demostrate instinct not love. How many dogs do you know return to visit
: their parents durring the holidays?
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What a total moron!!! ROFLMAO! Everyone can see why your daughter
rejected the WTS's teachings. She had a lot more sense than you ever did.
yeah sure she did.
:-) No go home and cook a nice dinner for your wife......
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I have no problem cooking a nice dinner for my wife.. all you ever recieved
from your husband is a knuckle sandwich.
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07 Dec 2003 08:14:41 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:00:21 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
well nobody force people to stay. 40,000 leave on a yearly basis one
way
or
another. Any organazation does the same. adhere to its rules or
leave...
Carol is antagonistic, because she was a jw groupie for 20 yrs.. lot of
time
to loose on a poor decision...
Wow. You sure don't think much of JW, do you?
only what is necessarry.. I am not a fanatic.
love and sin are religious concepts.
Sorry, but even animals show love. And no animal but man is stupid
enough to be religious.
Animal show no love at all.
This is simply false. Mammals love their young. Many not only nurse their
young, but bath them, look out for them, teach them. Many make friends of
their neighbors.
Atheism and Evolution goes hand in hand. Animal
demostrate instinct not love.
Love is an instinct, even in humans.
How many dogs do you know return to visit
their parents durring the holidays?
In nature, dogs live in extended families.
and they reject all religion and the morals attached to it.
Of course. Any sane person rejects horrible morals. Why would we
accept morals that say that slavery and raping children are okay?
And yet slavery and rape of children exist even among atheists and country
where comunism is the law of the land..
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| User: "jabriol" |
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07 Dec 2003 11:58:45 AM |
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"Zachriel" <angel@zachriel.com> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:00:21 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
well nobody force people to stay. 40,000 leave on a yearly basis one
way
or
another. Any organazation does the same. adhere to its rules or
leave...
Carol is antagonistic, because she was a jw groupie for 20 yrs.. lot
of
time
to loose on a poor decision...
Wow. You sure don't think much of JW, do you?
only what is necessarry.. I am not a fanatic.
love and sin are religious concepts.
Sorry, but even animals show love. And no animal but man is stupid
enough to be religious.
Animal show no love at all.
This is simply false. Mammals love their young. Many not only nurse their
young, but bath them, look out for them, teach them. Many make friends of
their neighbors.
Wrong again... unless you are adding humans in this group of mammals, but of
the lower animals, it is all instinct. including mammals.
the problem here is common. mayp people huminize animals by observation of
their behaviour. the fact that animals do as you describe, it is not
indicative that animals show love.
your argument is called : Post Hoc, Proptere Hoc.
Here is something, you made not want to hear. from a biology viewpoint.
Human love is instinct as well and no different from any other animal.
Atheism and Evolution goes hand in hand. Animal
demostrate instinct not love.
Love is an instinct, even in humans.
per biology that may be correct as well.
How many dogs do you know return to visit
their parents durring the holidays?
In nature, dogs live in extended families.
so does people. but people can always return to to visit loved ones..
animals do not. Dogs, in an extended family may even mate with thier
offsprings, Humans may find this horrifics..
and they reject all religion and the morals attached to it.
Of course. Any sane person rejects horrible morals. Why would we
accept morals that say that slavery and raping children are okay?
And yet slavery and rape of children exist even among atheists and
country
where comunism is the law of the land..
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08 Dec 2003 12:43:43 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: Wrong again... unless you are adding humans in this group of mammals,
but of
: the lower animals, it is all instinct. including mammals.
## Only the religious fundies teach this total nonsense.....
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: the problem here is common. mayp people huminize animals by observation
of
: their behaviour. the fact that animals do as you describe, it is not
: indicative that animals show love.
## Proof please.
:: > In nature, dogs live in extended families.
: so does people. but people can always return to to visit loved ones..
: animals do not.
## Total BS as usual from Jabbers. I once gave a cat away (allergies) and
she would come down to our house for an hour, hang out and return to her
new home. There are hundreds of examples of animals returning to visit
people they were attached to - or loved. No one knows what animals feel
since they can't talk - except in the bible of course. :-)
Dogs, in an extended family may even mate with thier
: offsprings, Humans may find this horrifics..
## Read about wolves and other canids to see how they avoid inbreeding.
Here in the south incest is pretty common. And one of god's favorite man,
Lot, had wild sex with his 2 daughters (fornication and incest) and your
god blessed them all!!!!
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force for atheism ever conceived." -= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "jabriol" |
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08 Dec 2003 07:32:10 AM |
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"ZeHole E. Gost" <zehole@egost.net> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: Wrong again... unless you are adding humans in this group of mammals,
but of
: the lower animals, it is all instinct. including mammals.
## Only the religious fundies teach this total nonsense.....
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: the problem here is common. mayp people huminize animals by observation
of
: their behaviour. the fact that animals do as you describe, it is not
: indicative that animals show love.
## Proof please.
:: > In nature, dogs live in extended families.
: so does people. but people can always return to to visit loved ones..
: animals do not.
## Total BS as usual from Jabbers. I once gave a cat away (allergies) and
she would come down to our house for an hour, hang out and return to her
new home. There are hundreds of examples of animals returning to visit
people they were attached to - or loved. No one knows what animals feel
since they can't talk - except in the bible of course. :-)
sure, and you invite in your cat for tea and crumptets eh?
Dogs, in an extended family may even mate with thier
: offsprings, Humans may find this horrifics..
## Read about wolves and other canids to see how they avoid inbreeding.
Here in the south incest is pretty common. And one of god's favorite man,
Lot, had wild sex with his 2 daughters (fornication and incest) and your
god blessed them all!!!!
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sure he did.. sure he did.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Dec 2003 03:03:31 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:58:45 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Zachriel" <angel@zachriel.com> wrote in message
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Animal show no love at all.
This is simply false. Mammals love their young. Many not only nurse their
young, but bath them, look out for them, teach them. Many make friends of
their neighbors.
Wrong again... unless you are adding humans in this group of mammals, but of
the lower animals, it is all instinct. including mammals.
Of ALL animals, including humans, caring for young is a learned
response. (See any study at the Yerkes Primate Center on the subject
- and there have been many.) We all learn how to raise young from our
parents. You must have had pretty bad parents, seeing that you threw
your own daughter out into the street. Or maybe you learned that from
your religion. But even a "lower animal" won't do that.
the problem here is common. mayp people huminize animals by observation of
their behaviour. the fact that animals do as you describe, it is not
indicative that animals show love.
The fact that they are willing to die for those they love - which has
been observed many times - does.
your argument is called : Post Hoc, Proptere Hoc.
No, it's called reality, not "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" ("after
this, therefore because of this"). Your argument, on the other hand,
is called shoving your head up your ***** and refusing to accept reality
that doesn't come out of a Witch Tower pamphlet.
Here is something, you made not want to hear. from a biology viewpoint.
Human love is instinct as well and no different from any other animal.
IOW, humans and animals all love, and all in the same way - totally
destroying your assertion that animals don't love. If animals don;t
love then, according to your own argument, humans don't love.
How many dogs do you know return to visit
their parents durring the holidays?
In nature, dogs live in extended families.
so does people. but people can always return to to visit loved ones.
The fact that dogs that are owned by humans can't has nothing to do
with whether they would if they could. But dogs that are owned by
people aren't living "in nature", are they, dishonest one?
animals do not. Dogs, in an extended family may even mate with thier
offsprings
Citation? Other than dogs owned by humans, that is.
Humans may find this horrifics..
Many humans have committed incest. If all humans considered it
horrific it wouldn't be a crime. We don't pass laws against actions
that no one would ever commit.
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "jabriol" |
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07 Dec 2003 05:34:21 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:58:45 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Zachriel" <angel@zachriel.com> wrote in message
news:HBGAb.2914$Fx2.715006045@twister1.starband.net...
Animal show no love at all.
This is simply false. Mammals love their young. Many not only nurse
their
young, but bath them, look out for them, teach them. Many make friends
of
their neighbors.
Wrong again... unless you are adding humans in this group of mammals, but
of
the lower animals, it is all instinct. including mammals.
Of ALL animals, including humans, caring for young is a learned
response.
no it is not. it is intinct. tell me you take a female dog at birth, and
when this female dog is giving birth, she going ask you to take to a
hospital.
or the dog does not know what to do...
(See any study at the Yerkes Primate Center on the subject
- and there have been many.) We all learn how to raise young from our
parents. You must have had pretty bad parents, seeing that you threw
your own daughter out into the street. Or maybe you learned that from
your religion. But even a "lower animal" won't do that.
you really belive that lie.. I guess people like you believe everything they
read.
the problem here is common. mayp people huminize animals by observation
of
their behaviour. the fact that animals do as you describe, it is not
indicative that animals show love.
The fact that they are willing to die for those they love - which has
been observed many times - does.
it only instinct.
your argument is called : Post Hoc, Proptere Hoc.
No, it's called reality, not "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" ("after
this, therefore because of this").
and yet that is what you claim...
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| Title: Re: FCAS: 3 dead jw's.. Carol glee with joy! |
09 Dec 2003 07:23:29 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:34:21 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:58:45 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Zachriel" <angel@zachriel.com> wrote in message
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Wrong again... unless you are adding humans in this group of mammals,
but of
the lower animals, it is all instinct. including mammals.
Of ALL animals, including humans, caring for young is a learned
response.
no it is not.
It's been proven to be, so it's not even up for discussion.
it is intinct. tell me you take a female dog at birth, and
when this female dog is giving birth, she going ask you to take to a
hospital.
Many animals have offspring that end up dying because the mother
didn't know how to care for them. I own a cat who was in just such a
situation. Her mother was bewildered by the kittens coming out of
her, and refused to learn to care for them.
exception to the rule. the fate of an ahteist cat
(See any study at the Yerkes Primate Center on the subject
- and there have been many.) We all learn how to raise young from our
parents. You must have had pretty bad parents, seeing that you threw
your own daughter out into the street. Or maybe you learned that from
your religion. But even a "lower animal" won't do that.
you really belive that lie.
That you threw your daughter out into the street? You lied about
doing it?
doing what? please retreive once post where I've writen abouyt throwing out
a minor with an infant.
you should do as carol says and do a google search. it might be enlighting.
Carol of course tell people to do a search, but then tell them the
conclucion, so they really don't have too.. are you that dumb?
the problem here is common. mayp people huminize animals by
observation of
their behaviour. the fact that animals do as you describe, it is not
indicative that animals show love.
The fact that they are willing to die for those they love - which has
been observed many times - does.
it only instinct.
Love? It's instinct in EVERY animal that exhibits it - including man.
uh no.. it is not.
your argument is called : Post Hoc, Proptere Hoc.
No, it's called reality, not "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" ("after
this, therefore because of this").
and yet that is what you claim...
But it's not post hoc, ergo propter hoc, whether you want it to be or
not.
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it is...
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| User: "Michael Krobes" |
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| Title: Re: FCAS: 3 dead jw's.. Carol glee with joy! |
10 Dec 2003 06:08:17 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
: > That you threw your daughter out into the street? You lied about
: > doing it?
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: doing what? please retreive once post where I've writen abouyt throwing
out
: a minor with an infant.
%% You bragged and gloated that she could become a "crack *****" when
another poster asked you how would she survive on the streets with a baby.
: you should do as carol says and do a google search. it might be
enlighting.
: Carol of course tell people to do a search, but then tell them the
: conclucion, so they really don't have too.. are you that dumb?
%% No one's stopping anyone from doing a search on you........ I hope
they do because although you NUKED many of your posts, they're still
included in the posts of people who replied to you.
Meanhile.....
Jabriol's LIES and deceptions are quite acceptable to the other Jehovah's
Witnesses here on Usenet. They're called "Theocratic Warfare" by the
Watchtower BTS and are allowed. The WTS believes itself ABOVE god and
feels they can dictate which biblical laws to follow and which they can
ignore. Lying and deception in the name of Jehovah and the WTS are
allowed and encouraged.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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11 Dec 2003 04:57:01 PM |
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"Michael Krobes" <me@my.net> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
: > That you threw your daughter out into the street? You lied about
: > doing it?
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: doing what? please retreive once post where I've writen abouyt throwing
out
: a minor with an infant.
%% You bragged and gloated that she could become a "crack *****" when
another poster asked you how would she survive on the streets with a baby.
sure I did.... where exactly?
maybe you have some sort of evidence to that effect... no>
I thought so...
: you should do as carol says and do a google search. it might be
enlighting.
: Carol of course tell people to do a search, but then tell them the
: conclucion, so they really don't have too.. are you that dumb?
%% No one's stopping anyone from doing a search on you........ I hope
they do because although you NUKED many of your posts, they're still
included in the posts of people who replied to you.
Meanhile.....
Jabriol's LIES and deceptions are quite acceptable to the other Jehovah's
Witnesses here on Usenet.
sure who exactly are the others jw's?
They're called "Theocratic Warfare" by the
Watchtower BTS and are allowed.
and of course you may have something in eriting from the watcher to that
efect eh?
The WTS believes itself ABOVE god and
feels they can dictate which biblical laws to follow and which they can
ignore. Lying and deception in the name of Jehovah and the WTS are
allowed and encouraged.
and you have some sort of document from the watchtower to that effect eh?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Dec 2003 08:25:31 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:23:29 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
Many animals have offspring that end up dying because the mother
didn't know how to care for them. I own a cat who was in just such a
situation. Her mother was bewildered by the kittens coming out of
her, and refused to learn to care for them.
exception to the rule. the fate of an ahteist cat
All cats are atheist.
you really belive that lie.
That you threw your daughter out into the street? You lied about
doing it?
doing what?
Throwing your daughter out.
please retreive once post where I've writen abouyt throwing out
a minor with an infant.
Did I say "infant"? No, you did.
Love? It's instinct in EVERY animal that exhibits it - including man.
uh no.. it is not.
Then why did you say, a few posts ago, that it is?
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"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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| Title: Re: FCAS: 3 dead jw's.. Carol glee with joy! |
11 Dec 2003 09:10:53 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<g7lftvc3veim62q05a2ouqhhc5bdtj6n52@Pern.rk>...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:23:29 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
Many animals have offspring that end up dying because the mother
didn't know how to care for them. I own a cat who was in just such a
situation. Her mother was bewildered by the kittens coming out of
her, and refused to learn to care for them.
exception to the rule. the fate of an ahteist cat
All cats are atheist.
you really belive that lie.
That you threw your daughter out into the street? You lied about
doing it?
doing what?
Throwing your daughter out.
never happened. Do as Carol suggested, a google search.. and maybe you
learn the truth if you are interested..
the short version is.. she was removed by Dyfuss, her illness could
affect the other children.
Of course the anti-jws of the group give it a different slant.. say a
lie long enough and some people will beleive it.. like you do.
please retreive once post where I've writen abouyt throwing out
a minor with an infant.
Did I say "infant"? No, you did.
no Carol does... whe she war removed to a foster home, she got
pregnant..
so goes child protective service..
Love? It's instinct in EVERY animal that exhibits it - including man.
uh no.. it is not.
Then why did you say, a few posts ago, that it is?
I said per evolution and biology it is.. there is a difereance..
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: FCAS: 3 dead jw's.. Carol glee with joy! |
11 Dec 2003 08:40:29 PM |
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On 11 Dec 2003 07:10:53 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<g7lftvc3veim62q05a2ouqhhc5bdtj6n52@Pern.rk>...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:23:29 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
Many animals have offspring that end up dying because the mother
didn't know how to care for them. I own a cat who was in just such a
situation. Her mother was bewildered by the kittens coming out of
her, and refused to learn to care for them.
exception to the rule. the fate of an ahteist cat
All cats are atheist.
you really belive that lie.
That you threw your daughter out into the street? You lied about
doing it?
doing what?
Throwing your daughter out.
never happened.
So you lied about it.
the short version is.. she was removed by Dyfuss, her illness could
affect the other children.
Illness? Not being deceived by your myth is an illness? (Family
Services removes children who are at risk.)
Of course the anti-jws of the group give it a different slant.
That's because sane people see things differently than you do.
say a lie long enough and some people will beleive it.
Yes, you seem to.
please retreive once post where I've writen abouyt throwing out
a minor with an infant.
Did I say "infant"? No, you did.
no Carol does.
You were talking to me. Why should I find a post where you've written
about throwing out a minor with an infant? I merely said that you
threw your daughter out. Not that she had an infant with her, or that
she was a minor.
.. whe she war removed to a foster home, she got pregnant..
Children aren't removed to foster homes unless they're at risk. So
either you or your wife posed a risk to your daughter.
Love? It's instinct in EVERY animal that exhibits it - including man.
uh no.. it is not.
Then why did you say, a few posts ago, that it is?
I said per evolution and biology it is.
No, you said that it *is* an instinct - you didn't mention evolution
or biology.
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other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus (2nd century C.E.)
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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| Title: Re: FCAS: 3 dead jw's.. Carol glee with joy! |
12 Dec 2003 06:45:57 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<a79itvgv0pt4hmgtmbht8259ikmva30leo@Pern.rk>...
On 11 Dec 2003 07:10:53 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<g7lftvc3veim62q05a2ouqhhc5bdtj6n52@Pern.rk>...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:23:29 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
Many animals have offspring that end up dying because the mother
didn't know how to care for them. I own a cat who was in just such a
situation. Her mother was bewildered by the kittens coming out of
her, and refused to learn to care for them.
exception to the rule. the fate of an ahteist cat
All cats are atheist.
you really belive that lie.
That you threw your daughter out into the street? You lied about
doing it?
doing what?
Throwing your daughter out.
never happened.
So you lied about it.
No, Carol lied about it. as I said you will not find a post where I
indicated any such thing. Carol has posted this so many time, that
people believe it.
are you that easy to be misled?
the short version is.. she was removed by Dyfuss, her illness could
affect the other children.
Illness? Not being deceived by your myth is an illness? (Family
Services removes children who are at risk.)
true.. the other children were being affected by her. and she was at
risk to hurt herself with two suicide attempt to her name.
but as I said.. it written all thru usenet, It is over a decade old.
Carol use this lie, because she can't find any true items to support
her personal hatred against JW's.
Of course the anti-jws of the group give it a different slant.
That's because sane people see things differently than you do.
take that up with Dyfuss...
say a lie long enough and some people will beleive it.
Yes, you seem to.
you mean I belive I threw out my daugher? just what are you smoking?
please retreive once post where I've writen abouyt throwing out
a minor with an infant.
Did I say "infant"? No, you did.
no Carol does.
You were talking to me. Why should I find a post where you've written
about throwing out a minor with an infant? I merely said that you
threw your daughter out. Not that she had an infant with her, or that
she was a minor.
Voila.. so you are easily misled.
.. whe she war removed to a foster home, she got pregnant..
Children aren't removed to foster homes unless they're at risk. So
either you or your wife posed a risk to your daughter.
or they put other children at risk. the courts make the final
decision.
The courts also put her in a special school.
you jump to conclusions before having all the facts.. show you have
character falw.
Love? It's instinct in EVERY animal that exhibits it - including man.
uh no.. it is not.
Then why did you say, a few posts ago, that it is?
I said per evolution and biology it is.
No, you said that it *is* an instinct - you didn't mention evolution
or biology.
yes I did
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| User: "Rose Busch" |
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12 Dec 2003 03:54:41 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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: Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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: >
: > So you lied about it.
: ===============
: No, Carol lied about it. as I said you will not find a post where I
: indicated any such thing. Carol has posted this so many time, that
: people believe it.
: are you that easy to be misled?
## Your very posts were POSTED here for all to see! In fact someone C&P
your posts HERE for all to see after the fact when you denied it. I'm not
the only one who saw these old posts of yours. You threw her out and
gloated over it! You were going to make her PAY for *rejecting* the
Watchtower Cult. You were going to show your JW buddies what a devoted
JW you were by turning on your own child and grandchild. Did you get a
pat on the back for being such a good JW? You make me sick......
Blah,... HURL.... :þ
: > Illness? Not being deceived by your myth is an illness? (Family
: > Services removes children who are at risk.)
: true.. the other children were being affected by her. and she was at
: risk to hurt herself with two suicide attempt to her name.
## Because she got NO LOVE, no understanding, no compassion from you and
your wife after she refused to remain in the JW cult. I bet you told her
like you told Chris when he talked about suicide,.. you said, "If you
believe in evolution you know what you got to do." And Chris did it!
Your daughter didn't.
: but as I said.. it written all thru usenet, It is over a decade old.
: Carol use this lie, because she can't find any true items to support
: her personal hatred against JW's.
## What hatred against the JWs? They didn't do this to HER - YOU DID!
MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Dec 2003 09:06:34 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2003 04:45:57 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<a79itvgv0pt4hmgtmbht8259ikmva30leo@Pern.rk>...
On 11 Dec 2003 07:10:53 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<g7lftvc3veim62q05a2ouqhhc5bdtj6n52@Pern.rk>...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:23:29 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
the short version is.. she was removed by Dyfuss, her illness could
affect the other children.
Illness? Not being deceived by your myth is an illness? (Family
Services removes children who are at risk.)
true.. the other children were being affected by her. and she was at
risk to hurt herself with two suicide attempt to her name.
Suicide attempts brought on by? Oh, yes, by having to live with
having you for a father. So they removed her from you.
Of course the anti-jws of the group give it a different slant.
That's because sane people see things differently than you do.
take that up with Dyfuss...
They took your daughter out of a dangerous situation - a situation
that was driving her to attempt suicide.
.. whe she war removed to a foster home, she got pregnant..
Children aren't removed to foster homes unless they're at risk. So
either you or your wife posed a risk to your daughter.
or they put other children at risk. the courts make the final
decision.
No, DFS does. The courts rule on their decision later.
The courts also put her in a special school.
you jump to conclusions before having all the facts.. show you have
character falw.
There goes another irony meter.
Love? It's instinct in EVERY animal that exhibits it - including man.
uh no.. it is not.
Then why did you say, a few posts ago, that it is?
I said per evolution and biology it is.
No, you said that it *is* an instinct - you didn't mention evolution
or biology.
yes I did
Care to post a link to it?
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not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
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15 Dec 2003 06:24:29 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<j50ltvkei65it0r0iqdf726hvmfnlisgm5@Pern.rk>...
On 12 Dec 2003 04:45:57 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<a79itvgv0pt4hmgtmbht8259ikmva30leo@Pern.rk>...
On 11 Dec 2003 07:10:53 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<g7lftvc3veim62q05a2ouqhhc5bdtj6n52@Pern.rk>...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:23:29 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
the short version is.. she was removed by Dyfuss, her illness could
affect the other children.
Illness? Not being deceived by your myth is an illness? (Family
Services removes children who are at risk.)
speculation.
true.. the other children were being affected by her. and she was at
risk to hurt herself with two suicide attempt to her name.
Suicide attempts brought on by? Oh, yes, by having to live with
having you for a father. So they removed her from you.
non-sequitur and ad hominen noted yet again.
If I was the cause of removal or a danger would child servicce not
remove the other three? If you stop smoking the wacky weed.. you can
reason a bit better.
Of course the anti-jws of the group give it a different slant.
That's because sane people see things differently than you do.
take that up with Dyfuss...
They took your daughter out of a dangerous situation - a situation
that was driving her to attempt suicide.
no.. her action was deterrent to the other kids.. and that is why she
was removed.. I see you selectively ignore the other children issue
eh?
try to pin the tail on the donkey at whatever cost?
.. whe she war removed to a foster home, she got pregnant..
Children aren't removed to foster homes unless they're at risk. So
either you or your wife posed a risk to your daughter.
or they put other children at risk. the courts make the final
decision.
No, DFS does. The courts rule on their decision later.
no the courst make the final decision.
The courts also put her in a special school.
you jump to conclusions before having all the facts.. show you have
character flaw.
There goes another irony meter.
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17 Dec 2003 03:46:11 PM |
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On 15 Dec 2003 04:24:29 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<j50ltvkei65it0r0iqdf726hvmfnlisgm5@Pern.rk>...
On 12 Dec 2003 04:45:57 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<a79itvgv0pt4hmgtmbht8259ikmva30leo@Pern.rk>...
On 11 Dec 2003 07:10:53 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<g7lftvc3veim62q05a2ouqhhc5bdtj6n52@Pern.rk>...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:23:29 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
the short version is.. she was removed by Dyfuss, her illness could
affect the other children.
Illness? Not being deceived by your myth is an illness? (Family
Services removes children who are at risk.)
speculation.
Years of familiarity. (No, not as a cause of their action.)
true.. the other children were being affected by her. and she was at
risk to hurt herself with two suicide attempt to her name.
Suicide attempts brought on by? Oh, yes, by having to live with
having you for a father. So they removed her from you.
non-sequitur and ad hominen noted yet again.
Just quoting you.
If I was the cause of removal or a danger would child servicce not
remove the other three?
Not if you weren't dangerous to them.
If you stop smoking the wacky weed.. you can reason a bit better.
Why? Reasoning is wasted on you.
Of course the anti-jws of the group give it a different slant.
That's because sane people see things differently than you do.
take that up with Dyfuss...
They took your daughter out of a dangerous situation - a situation
that was driving her to attempt suicide.
no.. her action was deterrent to the other kids.
Not believing Watchtower ***** was dangerous? (Sure it was a
deterrent to them - which you couldn't accept. That your kids might
*all* grow up sane.)
.. whe she war removed to a foster home, she got pregnant..
Children aren't removed to foster homes unless they're at risk. So
either you or your wife posed a risk to your daughter.
or they put other children at risk. the courts make the final
decision.
No, DFS does. The courts rule on their decision later.
no the courst make the final decision.
If you say so. Must be a special law passed to deal with you.
Normally DFS doesn't need a court order to remove a child who's at
risk. Just a cop to keep the father from killing the DFS employee.
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"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
-Isaac Asimov
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The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
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17 Dec 2003 09:42:36 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 15 Dec 2003 04:24:29 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<j50ltvkei65it0r0iqdf726hvmfnlisgm5@Pern.rk>...
On 12 Dec 2003 04:45:57 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<a79itvgv0pt4hmgtmbht8259ikmva30leo@Pern.rk>...
On 11 Dec 2003 07:10:53 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted
in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<g7lftvc3veim62q05a2ouqhhc5bdtj6n52@Pern.rk>...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:23:29 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
the short version is.. she was removed by Dyfuss, her illness could
affect the other children.
Illness? Not being deceived by your myth is an illness? (Family
Services removes children who are at risk.)
speculation.
Years of familiarity. (No, not as a cause of their action.)
which is still speculation
true.. the other children were being affected by her. and she was at
risk to hurt herself with two suicide attempt to her name.
Suicide attempts brought on by? Oh, yes, by having to live with
having you for a father. So they removed her from you.
non-sequitur and ad hominen noted yet again.
Just quoting you.
quoting what exactly?
If I was the cause of removal or a danger would child servicce not
remove the other three?
Not if you weren't dangerous to them.
so i am a dangero to one, but not the others? I see you do not know how
child protectives service work. if a parent is a threat to one child who is
female, he would deemed a threat to the reaming children as well. all
children would have been rremoved from the household.. not just the special
ed kid.
If you stop smoking the wacky weed.. you can reason a bit better.
Why? Reasoning is wasted on you.
Of course the anti-jws of the group give it a different slant.
That's because sane people see things differently than you do.
take that up with Dyfuss...
They took your daughter out of a dangerous situation - a situation
that was driving her to attempt suicide.
I see only one daughter in a dangerous situation, and the other were not. I
see...
no.. her action was deterrent to the other kids.
Not believing Watchtower ***** was dangerous?
no having a chemical imbalance is dangerous, and treating it with other
children present more so.
once again you fall prey to carol lies over the decade.
(Sure it was a
deterrent to them - which you couldn't accept. That your kids might
*all* grow up sane.)
they have... therefore your argument become moot.
.. whe she war removed to a foster home, she got pregnant..
Children aren't removed to foster homes unless they're at risk. So
either you or your wife posed a risk to your daughter.
or they put other children at risk. the courts make the final
decision.
No, DFS does. The courts rule on their decision later.
no the courst make the final decision.
If you say so. Must be a special law passed to deal with you.
Normally DFS doesn't need a court order to remove a child who's at
risk. Just a cop to keep the father from killing the DFS employee.
there are different type of risk, not just one blanket carte blanche cover
all.
you also forget, that I was the one who determined the risk factor and got
family court involved. As I said you do not have all the facts, and most
likely never will. All you have is Carol constant lies.
the fact that I intiated the actions for her removal, is the basis of carol,
lies that I threw the kid out with an infant. which is a totaly fabricated
lie.
as she suggest.. you should read the facts via google... but then again why
should you?
removal of a child here is not the issue. the issue you belive that carol is
right about throwing a kid into the street based on religion. That did not
occur. it is also ilegal in my state. it is a lie.
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18 Dec 2003 12:15:37 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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:no.. her action was deterrent to the other kids.
: no having a chemical imbalance is dangerous, and treating it with other
: children present more so.
## Treating WHAT? Read your own posts from the past Jabbers. You turned
on her when she rejected the WTS and started to go her own way. You
despised that you could not control her any anymore.... and all went
downhill from there. Treating her at home, if she had a mental disorder,
would not have affected the other kids in the house unless she was violent
and dangerous. You never claimed she was.. just that she started going
out with her non-JW friends and dated non-JW men.
: you also forget, that I was the one who determined the risk factor and
got
: family court involved. As I said you do not have all the facts, and most
: likely never will. All you have is Carol constant lies.
## No need to lie - I'm going by your OWN past posts.
:
: the fact that I intiated the actions for her removal, is the basis of
carol,
: lies that I threw the kid out with an infant. which is a totaly
fabricated
: lie.
## You seem to forget the things you post here.
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MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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07 Dec 2003 02:25:31 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:58:45 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
wrote:
Wrong again... unless you are adding humans in this group of mammals, but of
the lower animals, it is all instinct. including mammals.
....and, of course, human instincts have to be suppressed and labeled
as "sin" in the name of some unseen god.
the problem here is common. mayp people huminize animals by observation of
their behaviour. the fact that animals do as you describe, it is not
indicative that animals show love.
I learned a lot more about love from my dogs (golden retrievers) than
I did from any member of my family.
your argument is called : Post Hoc, Proptere Hoc.
Here is something, you made not want to hear. from a biology viewpoint.
Human love is instinct as well and no different from any other animal.
So which is it? You wrote in an earlier post that love and sin are
religious concepts and a non-religious is incapable of knowing such
things. Now you say that love is instinct as it is in any other
mammal. You contradict yourself when you make such idiotic statements.
so does people. but people can always return to to visit loved ones..
animals do not. Dogs, in an extended family may even mate with thier
offsprings, Humans may find this horrifics..
....and we all know that incest is non-existant in humans, don't we?
and they reject all religion and the morals attached to it.
Of course. Any sane person rejects horrible morals. Why would we
accept morals that say that slavery and raping children are okay?
And yet slavery and rape of children exist even among atheists and
country
where comunism is the law of the land..
Unless it happened in the OT with big daddy Jehovah's blessing...
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07 Dec 2003 05:19:01 PM |
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:r437tv8v5uic0ebqgeog0lrog2m0ba15ou@4ax.com...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:58:45 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
wrote:
Wrong again... unless you are adding humans in this group of mammals, but
of
the lower animals, it is all instinct. including mammals.
...and, of course, human instincts have to be suppressed and labeled
as "sin" in the name of some unseen god.
Not at all.. rememebr the rape threads that Carol twisted?
let me ask you this.. is rape part of huma evolution.. should the the desire
for sex at any cost be allowed.. or should it be considered a sin by
society?
the problem here is common. mayp people huminize animals by observation
of
their behaviour. the fact that animals do as you describe, it is not
indicative that animals show love.
I learned a lot more about love from my dogs (golden retrievers) than
I did from any member of my family.
And dogs are used to rehabiliatate prisoners. What if the "love and
affection" that your dog seems to shower upon you isn't really that at all?
Imagine, deep in dog and human evolutionary history, that dogs were
attracted to food scraps and other leavings around human camp sites. To the
humans, dogs probably appeared as just another potential food item. Under
these circumstances, natural selection would favor any sort of behavior, on
the dog's part, which would avert being eaten. What behaviors did the dog
already have in its repertoire? Wild canid social behavior includes
affiliative and submissive behaviors which plug very nicely into human
expectations for social bonding. In this scenario, natural selection should
favor the expression of affiliation and submission by the dog, whether the
dog feels any "emotional" attachment or not.
But, really, the question is whether we can ascribe emotion--joy, sorrow,
love, sadness--to a dog (or any animal) as a feeling that underlies
behavioral actions. Beyond our own emotional response--yes, of course my dog
loves me--can the hypothesis that animals feel emotion be tested? A direct
test is probably imposssible; we'll simply never know what your dog is
thinking.
Ultimately, emotionality in animals is probably an untestable hypothesis.
Descriptors of emotion, such as fear, sadness, loneliness, and affection,
are subjective representations of a human state. They are difficult enough
to quantify in humans and to compare among humans, much less to document in
animals.
For the last century biologists have been trained to avoid anthropomorphism,
probably rightly so, as ascribing human emotions and motivations to animals
interferes with objective hypothesis testing. It is certainly unscientific
to uncritically apply subjective descriptors to the behavior we observe. It
is equally unscientific to ignore reasonable hypotheses because of a
well-established taboo among scientists.
your argument is called : Post Hoc, Proptere Hoc.
Here is something, you made not want to hear. from a biology viewpoint.
Human love is instinct as well and no different from any other animal.
So which is it? You wrote in an earlier post that love and sin are
religious concepts and a non-religious is incapable of knowing such
things. Now you say that love is instinct as it is in any other
mammal. You contradict yourself when you make such idiotic statements.
I did not contradict myself, I just made a statement from a science view
point.
so does people. but people can always return to to visit loved ones..
animals do not. Dogs, in an extended family may even mate with thier
offsprings, Humans may find this horrifics..
...and we all know that incest is non-existant in humans, don't we?
did not non-existant.. I said horrifics, people do not accept incest as a
natural event in human reproduction... it does not mean it does not happen.
and they reject all religion and the morals attached to it.
Of course. Any sane person rejects horrible morals. Why would we
accept morals that say that slavery and raping children are okay?
And yet slavery and rape of children exist even among atheists and
country
where comunism is the law of the land..
Unless it happened in the OT with big daddy Jehovah's blessing...
circular reasoing does not help your argument. slavery and children rape
exist. wether you blame a god, but if there is no god, rape and slavery is
still present.
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