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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Michelle Malkin"
Date: 19 Apr 2007 04:49:56 PM
Object: Feingold Gets Gonzales to admit that he was not needed as Attorney General
This is so ridiculously funny that it's pathetically sad.
Feingold Delivers a Knockout Punch To Abu G
Submitted by dday on Thu, 04/19/2007 - 12:51.
Russ Feingold, as expected, did an admirable job dressing down Alberto
Gonzales this morning.
He started by discussing the Georgia L. Thompson case, and asking if
Wisconsin constituents should be concerned about the politicization of the
Justice Department as a result. Good on him for stopping Gonzales from
peddling the BS about the Georgia Thompson case. The problem is one of
perception, that people would see such a quick dismissal by an Appeals
Court, and then assume that politics were involved in the case. This scandal
has corroded the public trust in the administration of justice.
Feingold's now arguing that, essentially, Gonzales is an absentee landlord
in the Justice Department. He had virtually nothing to do with the basis for
the decision on these firings, he was singularly uninterested in tracking
down any information about the firings, and yet in a USA Today op-ed in
March he claimed that "the US Attorneys had lost my confidence." How would
he know, factually, that there is no factual basis for thinking that USAs
were fired for "improper reasons."
The problem is that Gonzales is arguing two things at the same time. One is
that he was uninvolved and uninterested in the basis for firing these USAs.
The other is that he knows that nothing improper was done, and he knows that
their performance-related issues were to blame for the firing. He's arguing
that he was both smart and stupid. Now he's saying that there is
documentation about specific issues related to the USAs. Then Feingold
delivers the knockout:
"There is no credibility to the notion that it was your considered judgment
that those justifications were the reasons for removing those people at the
time. There's simply nothing in the record that demonstrates that you had a
sufficient effort made to make that determination."
Feingold essentially got Gonzales to admit that he is not needed at the
Department of Justice. He had him arguing strenuously that the senior
leadership at the Department made all the determinations for the firings,
that they implemented it, and all he did was sign the order. These senior
staffers have lied under oath. They have contradicted each other in their
public statements. But a fish rots from the head down. Because Alberto
Gonzales is so uninterested in doing his job, because he's not concerned
with looking into any information about who his employees are, he really is
not a necessary actor as the Attorney General.
This is no different from George Bush running the country like a CEO -
disconnected and unconcerned with what the underlings are doing.
(Just an insert, Abu G is now pleading to Sessions that he's such a busy man
that he can't possibly remember meetings about firing attorneys that happen
in his office. Wasn't that the Scooter Libby defense?)
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: Feingold Gets Gonzales to admit that he was not needed as Attorney General 20 Apr 2007 01:01:45 AM
In article <O-6dnc2veZRVfrrbnZ2dnUVZ_r2onZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

This is so ridiculously funny that it's pathetically sad.

I saw some of that today. I almost (repeat almost) felt sorry for
Gonzales. He embarrassed himself so badly that I think he has no choice
but to resign. Perhaps this Friday afternoon. They always do these
things late Friday in the hope that people won't pay attention over the
weekend.
Now I want to see them go after Rove.



Feingold Delivers a Knockout Punch To Abu G
Submitted by dday on Thu, 04/19/2007 - 12:51.
Russ Feingold, as expected, did an admirable job dressing down Alberto
Gonzales this morning.

He started by discussing the Georgia L. Thompson case, and asking if
Wisconsin constituents should be concerned about the politicization of the
Justice Department as a result. Good on him for stopping Gonzales from
peddling the BS about the Georgia Thompson case. The problem is one of
perception, that people would see such a quick dismissal by an Appeals
Court, and then assume that politics were involved in the case. This scandal
has corroded the public trust in the administration of justice.

Feingold's now arguing that, essentially, Gonzales is an absentee landlord
in the Justice Department. He had virtually nothing to do with the basis for
the decision on these firings, he was singularly uninterested in tracking
down any information about the firings, and yet in a USA Today op-ed in
March he claimed that "the US Attorneys had lost my confidence." How would
he know, factually, that there is no factual basis for thinking that USAs
were fired for "improper reasons."

The problem is that Gonzales is arguing two things at the same time. One is
that he was uninvolved and uninterested in the basis for firing these USAs.
The other is that he knows that nothing improper was done, and he knows that
their performance-related issues were to blame for the firing. He's arguing
that he was both smart and stupid. Now he's saying that there is
documentation about specific issues related to the USAs. Then Feingold
delivers the knockout:

"There is no credibility to the notion that it was your considered judgment
that those justifications were the reasons for removing those people at the
time. There's simply nothing in the record that demonstrates that you had a
sufficient effort made to make that determination."

Feingold essentially got Gonzales to admit that he is not needed at the
Department of Justice. He had him arguing strenuously that the senior
leadership at the Department made all the determinations for the firings,
that they implemented it, and all he did was sign the order. These senior
staffers have lied under oath. They have contradicted each other in their
public statements. But a fish rots from the head down. Because Alberto
Gonzales is so uninterested in doing his job, because he's not concerned
with looking into any information about who his employees are, he really is
not a necessary actor as the Attorney General.

This is no different from George Bush running the country like a CEO -
disconnected and unconcerned with what the underlings are doing.

(Just an insert, Abu G is now pleading to Sessions that he's such a busy man
that he can't possibly remember meetings about firing attorneys that happen
in his office. Wasn't that the Scooter Libby defense?)

--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Feingold Gets Gonzales to admit that he was not needed as Attorney General 21 Apr 2007 11:00:37 PM
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:49:56 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

(Just an insert, Abu G is now pleading to Sessions that he's such a busy man
that he can't possibly remember meetings about firing attorneys that happen
in his office. Wasn't that the Scooter Libby defense?)

It's the "I'm so stupid that I can't be held responsible for the
things I did, but intelligent enough to keep my job" defense.
In an old Sholem Aleichem story, it was worded "I didn't sell him any
horse, and when I sold it to him it was healthy".
Let's see if 'Berto does better with it than Scooter did, of if Bush
throws 'Berto to the wolves as well. He doesn't seem to understand
that loyalty is a two-way street.
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Feingold Gets Gonzales to admit that he was not needed as Attorney General 22 Apr 2007 02:49:07 AM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid>
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Feingold Gets Gonzales to admit that he was not needed as
Attorney General

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:49:56 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

(Just an insert, Abu G is now pleading to Sessions that he's such a busy
man
that he can't possibly remember meetings about firing attorneys that
happen
in his office. Wasn't that the Scooter Libby defense?)


It's the "I'm so stupid that I can't be held responsible for the
things I did, but intelligent enough to keep my job" defense.

In an old Sholem Aleichem story, it was worded "I didn't sell him any
horse, and when I sold it to him it was healthy".

Did he sell it to Beryl the Beetle? I had a fifth grade teacher
who read "Wise Men of Chelm" to us in class.


Let's see if 'Berto does better with it than Scooter did, of if Bush
throws 'Berto to the wolves as well. He doesn't seem to understand
that loyalty is a two-way street.

I'd love to hear Shrub define the word 'loyal'.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Feingold Gets Gonzales to admit that he was not needed as Attorney General 22 Apr 2007 06:10:46 PM
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:49:07 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

I'd love to hear Shrub define the word 'loyal'.

I think it would sound something like "Ask not what your government
can do for you, learn to do for your government without having to
ask".
.




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