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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Sweet Zombie Jeebus" |
| Date: |
03 Feb 2008 01:07:52 PM |
| Object: |
Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled "Female
Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam403.xml]
via Richard Dawkins' site [http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
"Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in
to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
their religion.
Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to
removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam."
I know the Torygraph can be sensationalist at times, but if this is in
any way true those of us in the UK need to start making a stand against
the 'rights' of the religiously blinkered encroaching on the rest of us.
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| User: "Kenny McCormack" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
03 Feb 2008 04:34:58 PM |
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In article <Va6dnYisQeRjjTvaRVnyggA@pipex.net>,
Sweet Zombie Jeebus <ed@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled "Female
Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam403.xml]
via Richard Dawkins' site [http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
"Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in
to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
their religion.
Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to
removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam."
I know the Torygraph can be sensationalist at times, but if this is in
any way true those of us in the UK need to start making a stand against
the 'rights' of the religiously blinkered encroaching on the rest of us.
If religion is true, then it is far more important than anything
(including your stupid human "hygiene rules").
If religion is not true, then it should be discarded.
Therefore, the position you seem to be advocating (that they be allowed
to continue to be practicing Muslims - but yet be expected to follow the
hygiene rules) cannot possibly be right.
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| User: "Sweet Zombie Jeebus" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
03 Feb 2008 05:17:20 PM |
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Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article <Va6dnYisQeRjjTvaRVnyggA@pipex.net>,
Sweet Zombie Jeebus <ed@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled "Female
Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam403.xml]
via Richard Dawkins' site [http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
"Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in
to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
their religion.
Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to
removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam."
I know the Torygraph can be sensationalist at times, but if this is in
any way true those of us in the UK need to start making a stand against
the 'rights' of the religiously blinkered encroaching on the rest of us.
If religion is true, then it is far more important than anything
(including your stupid human "hygiene rules").
What??? Stupid human hygiene rules? I'll bet you wouldn't even dream of
making such a crass comment if you developed an MRSA or a Clostridium
Difficile infection in hospital as a result of a bunch of misguided
idiots not following "stupid human hygiene rules".
If religion is not true, then it should be discarded.
Therefore, the position you seem to be advocating (that they be allowed
to continue to be practicing Muslims - but yet be expected to follow the
hygiene rules) cannot possibly be right.
No, my position is that if they want to worship their own sky-fairy fair
enough; when worship of said sky-fairy impacts on the health of everyone
else then a line must be drawn.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
04 Feb 2008 11:49:53 AM |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC),
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
If religion is true, then it is far more important than anything
(including your stupid human "hygiene rules").
Those "stupid human hygiene rules", have saved millions of lives over
the years.
They are the rules that allow surgeons to open a human body, and close
it up again, without it becoming infected.
They are the rules, without which, our medical success would be no
better than it was a thousand years ago, in spite of our advanced
knowledge, and technology.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
03 Feb 2008 05:41:14 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC), (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
In article <Va6dnYisQeRjjTvaRVnyggA@pipex.net>,
Sweet Zombie Jeebus <ed@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled "Female
Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam403.xml]
via Richard Dawkins' site [http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
"Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in
to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
their religion.
Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to
removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam."
I know the Torygraph can be sensationalist at times, but if this is in
any way true those of us in the UK need to start making a stand against
the 'rights' of the religiously blinkered encroaching on the rest of us.
If religion is true, then it is far more important than anything
(including your stupid human "hygiene rules").
If religion is not true, then it should be discarded.
Therefore, the position you seem to be advocating (that they be allowed
to continue to be practicing Muslims - but yet be expected to follow the
hygiene rules) cannot possibly be right.
A possible compromise--let them continue both in the training and the faith, but
practicing only on Muslim patients. After they get their degrees, enforce their
emigration to their country of ethnic origin, where they can help bring the
population down to manageable levels.
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
03 Feb 2008 11:42:33 PM |
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"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6jicq3hupo207bou1qdbscdlls2h31gk8e@4ax.com...
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC),
(Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
In article <Va6dnYisQeRjjTvaRVnyggA@pipex.net>,
Sweet Zombie Jeebus <ed@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled "Female
Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam403.xml]
via Richard Dawkins' site [http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
"Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in
to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
their religion.
Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to
removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam."
I know the Torygraph can be sensationalist at times, but if this is in
any way true those of us in the UK need to start making a stand against
the 'rights' of the religiously blinkered encroaching on the rest of us.
If religion is true, then it is far more important than anything
(including your stupid human "hygiene rules").
If religion is not true, then it should be discarded.
Therefore, the position you seem to be advocating (that they be allowed
to continue to be practicing Muslims - but yet be expected to follow the
hygiene rules) cannot possibly be right.
A possible compromise--let them continue both in the training and the
faith, but
practicing only on Muslim patients. After they get their degrees, enforce
their
emigration to their country of ethnic origin, where they can help bring
the
population down to manageable levels.
I nice solution, but that won't work, as MRSA does not confine itself to
only Muslim patients once on the ward.
They've agreed to become doctors here and knew the rules before doing so. We
pay for their training. If they won't follow our rules then send them home
without any qualification and bill their country for the cost of their
training and compensation for those that missed out on a place in medical
school because their place was taken by someone who would not follow the
rules. What would you do to someone who voluntarily joined the army and then
refused to fight in a war because they were a consciencious objector?
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
04 Feb 2008 10:26:51 AM |
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
news:dBxpj.1142$j95.486@newsfe3-win.ntli.net
"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6jicq3hupo207bou1qdbscdlls2h31gk8e@4ax.com...
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC),
gazelle@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
In article <Va6dnYisQeRjjTvaRVnyggA@pipex.net>,
Sweet Zombie Jeebus <ed@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled
"Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nisl
am403.xml] via Richard Dawkins' site
[http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
snip
I nice solution, but that won't work, as MRSA does not confine itself
to only Muslim patients once on the ward.
They've agreed to become doctors here and knew the rules before doing
so. We pay for their training. If they won't follow our rules then
send them home without any qualification and bill their country for
the cost of their training and compensation for those that missed out
on a place in medical school because their place was taken by someone
who would not follow the rules. What would you do to someone who
voluntarily joined the army and then refused to fight in a war because
they were a consciencious objector?
I know of no armed force that will not accept a C.O., there are places
for them. Medic, to include Combat Medic, Chaplin Corp [useless, but it
frees up a person that may not be a C.O.]. I doubt not that there are
other positions outside combat zones where they could be useful.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
walksalone who has no problem with C.O.s that join the military, nice
folks mostly.
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| User: "Wexford" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
04 Feb 2008 10:33:01 AM |
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On Feb 4, 11:26=A0am, walksalone <walksal...@Spamstopper.com> wrote:
"Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com>news:dBxpj.1142$j95.486@newsfe3-win.ntli.net=
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6jicq3hupo207bou1qdbscdlls2h31gk8e@4ax.com...
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC),
gaze...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
In article <Va6dnYisQeRjjTvaRVny...@pipex.net>,
Sweet Zombie Jeebus =A0<e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled
"Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D/news/2008/02/03/nis=
l
am403.xml] via Richard Dawkins' site
[http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
snip
I nice solution, but that won't work, as MRSA does not confine itself
to only Muslim patients once on the ward.
They've agreed to become doctors here and knew the rules before doing
so. We pay for their training. If they won't follow our rules then
send them home without any qualification and bill their country for
the cost of their training and compensation for those that missed out
on a place in medical school because their place was taken by someone
who would not follow the rules. What would you do to someone who
voluntarily joined the army and then refused to fight in a war because
they were a consciencious objector?
I know of no armed force that will not accept a C.O., there are places
for them. =A0Medic, to include Combat Medic, Chaplin Corp [useless, but it=
frees up a person that may not be a C.O.]. =A0I doubt not that there are
other positions outside combat zones where they could be useful.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
walksalone who has no problem with C.O.s that join the military, nice
folks mostly.
CO's declare their status up front. They don't enlist, volunteer for
infantry then, in the heat of battle, throw down their arms and
declare themselves COs.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
04 Feb 2008 11:35:36 AM |
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In article <35ff1d59-e934-4a4e-9dca-aee130b3052f@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.c=
om>,=20
Wexford says...
On Feb 4, 11:26=A0am, walksalone <walksal...@Spamstopper.com> wrote:
"Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com>news:dBxpj.1142$j95.486@newsfe3-win.ntli.=
net
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6jicq3hupo207bou1qdbscdlls2h31gk8e@4ax.com...
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC),
gaze...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
In article <Va6dnYisQeRjjTvaRVny...@pipex.net>,
Sweet Zombie Jeebus =A0<e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled
"Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D/news/2008/02/03/=
nisl
am403.xml] via Richard Dawkins' site
[http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
snip
I nice solution, but that won't work, as MRSA does not confine itself
to only Muslim patients once on the ward.
They've agreed to become doctors here and knew the rules before doing
so. We pay for their training. If they won't follow our rules then
send them home without any qualification and bill their country for
the cost of their training and compensation for those that missed out
on a place in medical school because their place was taken by someone
who would not follow the rules. What would you do to someone who
voluntarily joined the army and then refused to fight in a war becaus=
e
they were a consciencious objector?
I know of no armed force that will not accept a C.O., there are places
for them. =A0Medic, to include Combat Medic, Chaplin Corp [useless, but=
it
frees up a person that may not be a C.O.]. =A0I doubt not that there ar=
e
other positions outside combat zones where they could be useful.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
walksalone who has no problem with C.O.s that join the military, nice
folks mostly.
=20
CO's declare their status up front. They don't enlist, volunteer for
infantry then, in the heat of battle, throw down their arms and
declare themselves COs.
That was true in my case, and is true for CO's in the more common case=20
of being motivated by received religious training, so that one is fully
aware of the objection in advance. But you are quite mistaken to assert
*either* that persons do not legitimately come to a state of conscientious
objection to organized team murder after enlisting, *or* that this late-in-=
the-
harvest-day conversion does not enjoy legal protection. Otoh, the shelter =
of
law may be hard to find from a fellow team murderer, charged with exerting
discipline on the team.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "SkyEyes" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
04 Feb 2008 11:59:11 AM |
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On Feb 3, 4:41=A0pm, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC), (Ke=
nny
McCormack) wrote:
In article <Va6dnYisQeRjjTvaRVny...@pipex.net>,
Sweet Zombie Jeebus =A0<e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled "Female
Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D/news/2008/02/03/nisla=
....]
via Richard Dawkins' site [http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
"Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in
to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
their religion.
Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to=
removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam."
I know the Torygraph can be sensationalist at times, but if this is in
any way true those of us in the UK need to start making a stand against
the 'rights' of the religiously blinkered encroaching on the rest of us.=
If religion is true, then it is far more important than anything
(including your stupid human "hygiene rules").
If religion is not true, then it should be discarded.
Therefore, the position you seem to be advocating (that they be allowed
to continue to be practicing Muslims - but yet be expected to follow the
hygiene rules) cannot possibly be right.
A possible compromise--let them continue both in the training and the fait=
h, but
practicing only on Muslim patients. After they get their degrees, enforce =
their
emigration to their country of ethnic origin, where they can help bring th=
e
population down to manageable levels.
A judgement worthy of Solomon himself, sir!
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
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| User: "Wexford" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
04 Feb 2008 10:36:19 AM |
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On Feb 3, 2:07=A0pm, Sweet Zombie Jeebus <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk>
wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled "Female
Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D/news/2008/02/03/nisla..=
..]
via Richard Dawkins' site [http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
"Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in
to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
their religion.
Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to
removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam."
I know the Torygraph can be sensationalist at times, but if this is in
any way true those of us in the UK need to start making a stand against
the 'rights' of the religiously blinkered encroaching on the rest of us.
Any reason not to discharge these idiots? Any nurse, doctor or med
technician in training who refuses to follow sanitary rules should be
dumped the second they breech the rules. This isn't a matter of
religious freedom. They're free to belong to any bizarre cult they
choose, but they're not free to endanger patients.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' |
04 Feb 2008 05:04:57 PM |
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:36:19 -0800 (PST), Wexford <wryan77@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:07 pm, Sweet Zombie Jeebus <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk>
wrote:
I just came across an article in the Daily Telegraph entitled "Female
Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'"
[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nisla...]
via Richard Dawkins' site [http://richarddawkins.net/article,2213,n,n]
"Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in
to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
their religion.
Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to
removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam."
I know the Torygraph can be sensationalist at times, but if this is in
any way true those of us in the UK need to start making a stand against
the 'rights' of the religiously blinkered encroaching on the rest of us.
Any reason not to discharge these idiots? Any nurse, doctor or med
technician in training who refuses to follow sanitary rules should be
dumped the second they breech the rules. This isn't a matter of
religious freedom. They're free to belong to any bizarre cult they
choose, but they're not free to endanger patients.
Theists expect, and usually recieve, special treatment.
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