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27 Oct 2007 10:03:03 PM |
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Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal |
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
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Santo Domingo, Oct 26, 2007 / 11:14 am (CNA).- Cardinal Nicolas de
Jesus Lopez Rodriguez of Santo Domingo, responded to criticism by
radical feminists this week who accused him of pressuring the
country's legislature not to legalize abortion, saying these groups do
not represent the interests of women.
"Women have always had all of my respect," the cardinal said, "but I
have never agreed, nor will I ever agree, with feminists of the bad
kind, who are given over to everything except helping women."
According to the cardinal, feminists, together with the United
Nations, are the ones pressuring the governments of the world to
legalize abortion.
Feminist groups, he explained, do not fight for the dignity of women,
but rather they bring women down with the help of some sectors of
society. "Only an imbecile, a moron, someone ignorant of everything,
could defend that position," he said.
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28 Oct 2007 03:54:58 AM |
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society. "Only an imbecile, a moron, someone ignorant of everything,
could defend that position," he said.
He is correct. Feminists are imbeciles.
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| User: "Kate " |
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28 Oct 2007 09:48:01 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:54:58 -0700, "J. Keeper" <jgkeeper@hotmail.com>
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society. "Only an imbecile, a moron, someone ignorant of everything,
could defend that position," he said.
He is correct. Feminists are imbeciles.
Ah, the opinion of one who's self image depends on putting down
others.
How, er unenlightening.
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28 Oct 2007 11:16:28 PM |
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On 28-Oct-2007, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:54:58 -0700, "J. Keeper" <jgkeeper@hotmail.com>
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society. "Only an imbecile, a moron, someone ignorant of everything,
could defend that position," he said.
He is correct. Feminists are imbeciles.
Ah, the opinion of one who's self image depends on putting down
others.
How, er unenlightening.
Oh, I'd say it was very enlightening....
Susan
Women firefighters (et al) at Ground Zero
http://womenshistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa020909a.htm
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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27 Oct 2007 10:16:48 PM |
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J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
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And he does?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Oct 2007 11:00:12 PM |
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On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
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And he does?
--
Ray Fischer
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women. Hence the title.
Regards...
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| User: "Society" |
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30 Oct 2007 01:29:35 AM |
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<agsf_57@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193544012.402130.92260@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer sneered...
J Young reported...
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women,
says Dominican cardinal in blistering reply
And he does?
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women.
Hence the title.
Even Planned Parenthood has the data that shows
that the cardinal speaks for women more so than
feminists and other pro-abortionists.
[A poll paid for by the Center for Gender Equality, headed by
former Planned Parenthood director Faye Wattleton found]
women hold a very favorable view of religious groups and
denominations, from the Catholic Church to the Christian
Coalition. Overall, 76 percent of the women polled think
religious organizations play a positive role in American life.
When asked specifically, "Would the things this group stands
for improve the lives of most women, or make the lives of most
women worse?" by more than two-to-one, women said the Southern
Baptists and the Christian Coalition would improve women's lives,
and 48 percent of those surveyed said the Catholic Church would,
as well.
"Unsettling news about 'feminism' - for the NOW gang"
by Linda Chavez
published in _Jewish World Review_, February 24, 1999
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/chavez022499.asp
One may reasonably conclude that support for Catholic Church
cardinals among women in the Dominican Republic is at least
as high as that for Southern Baptists is among US women.
Btw, how many women attend the Church of Ray Fischer
every week?
Bwuhhahahahahahahaa!!!
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By the year 2000 we will, I hope,
raise our children to believe
in human potential, not God.
Gloria Steinem, editor of MS magazine
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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30 Oct 2007 12:23:02 PM |
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Society <Society@feminism.is.invalid> farted:
<agsf_57@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Ray Fischer
J Young reported...
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women,
says Dominican cardinal in blistering reply
And he does?
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women.
Hence the title.
Even Planned Parenthood has the data that shows
that the cardinal speaks for women more so than
feminists and other pro-abortionists.
The very first sentence of your quote shows you to be LYING.
[A poll paid for by the Center for Gender Equality, headed by
former Planned Parenthood director Faye Wattleton found]
So PP isn't actually involved in this at all.
women hold a very favorable view of religious groups and
denominations, from the Catholic Church to the Christian
Coalition. Overall, 76 percent of the women polled think
religious organizations play a positive role in American life.
"Religious groups" is not the same as "Catholic church", pro-liar.
"Unsettling news about 'feminism' - for the NOW gang"
by Linda Chavez
published in _Jewish World Review_, February 24, 1999
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/chavez022499.asp
One may reasonably conclude that support for Catholic Church
One may reasonably conclude that, when you start out by lying,
your claims and your evidence are unlikely to be truthful.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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28 Oct 2007 04:37:31 PM |
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"agsf_57@yahoo.com" <agsf_57@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1193544012.402130.92260@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in
blistering
reply
And he does?
--
Ray Fischer
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women. Hence the title.
I can paint my ***** red & call it a cardinal, but in the end...it's just
an *****. And so is he.
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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28 Oct 2007 02:01:43 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women.
An obvious falsehood. He speaks for his church and the pope.
A church which relegates women to subservient 2nd-class people.
Hence the title.
Awarded by his church.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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28 Oct 2007 03:12:36 PM |
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On Oct 28, 11:01 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women.
An obvious falsehood. He speaks for his church and the pope.
Well, people of his church see him in this light. Whether you or I
agree, is irrelevant. You asked "And he does" and the answer to your
question is "Yes, he does to the people who follow him and his
religious beliefs".
A church which relegates women to subservient 2nd-class people.
I have no knowledge about that but I doubt that it's true. I am sure
women make roughly 50% of the congregation and if they felt they were
subservient 2nd-class people, then they would revolt. I am pretty sure
they like their position within their own society and why they
probably agree with the cardinal on his views on abortion.
Hence the title.
Awarded by his church.
and supported by his members. ;)
--
Ray Fischer
Regards...
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| User: "Society" |
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29 Oct 2007 02:05:52 AM |
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"agsf_57" as <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193602356.368230.145160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com patiently explained...
Ray Fischer wrote...
J Young reported...
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal
in blistering reply
And he does?
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women.
Aww, Ray Fischer is trying to sidetrack an issue he
can't honestly dispute -- again. I notice that instead
of proving that feminists _do_ speak for women,
Ray Fischer tries to construct a strawwoman argument.
Nowhere in the article reported by J Young was there
a claim that the Dominican cardinal speaks for women.
'Twas interesting that Ray Fischer implicitly supposed
that the cardinal _does_ speak for women, tho'. Heh heh.
A church which relegates women to subservient
2nd-class people.
I have no knowledge about that but I doubt that it's true.
What knowledge "about that" Ray Fischer has only proves
that his claim is a lie. That's why he offers only his empty
assertions, not evidence.
I am sure women make roughly 50% of the congregation
and if they felt they were subservient 2nd-class people,
then they would revolt.
Women are way more than "50% of the congregation"
of regular Catholic churchgoers. This is typical of
virtually all other Christian denominations as well.
Ray Fischer knows it too. Now, either Ray Fischer
holds the rather mysogynistic position that women
are espeically gullible and weak-willed, being soooo
willingly kept as "subservient 2nd-class people" or
Ray Fischer is lying when he attributes 2nd-class
status to Catholic and other Christian women.
I'll grant that Ray Fischer is _both_ misogynistic
_and_ lying. Why should Ray Fischer be different
from all the other pro-lie, anti-life crowd, including
the true-believer feminists?
I am pretty sure they like their position within
their own society and why they probably agree
with the cardinal on his views on abortion.
It's hardly a stretch to suppose that more women,
in the Dominican Republic _or_ the USA agree
with this Catholic cardinal's views on marriage,
family, values, children, and the unborn than with
Ray Fischer's extremely anti-life, pro-abortion views.
Hence the title.
Awarded by his church.
and supported by his members. ;)
Olé, agsf_57, with that remark you've bested Ray Fischer game,
set and match.
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Then there's the canard about a united front
of women supporting abortion, while misogynist
men try to keep it from us. Feminists have
a charming slogan memorialized on buttons
sold by the national Organization for Women,
and the title of a book: "If men got pregnant,
abortion would be a sacrament." Apparently
it isn't a sacrament now only because of the
overwhelming hatred men have for women.
Ann Coulter, _Godless : the church of liberalism_,
Crown Forum; New York (2006) p83
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29 Oct 2007 05:42:02 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:05:52 -0700, "Society"
<Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote:
"agsf_57" as <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193602356.368230.145160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com patiently explained...
Ray Fischer wrote...
J Young reported...
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal
in blistering reply
And he does?
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women.
Aww, Ray Fischer is trying to sidetrack an issue he
can't honestly dispute -- again. I notice that instead
of proving that feminists _do_ speak for women,
Ray Fischer tries to construct a strawwoman argument.
Nowhere in the article reported by J Young was there
a claim that the Dominican cardinal speaks for women.
Uh, if you could think, yes he does. He can only claim that feminists
don't speak for women legitimately, if he had permission from women to
say so.
He doesn't.
'Twas interesting that Ray Fischer implicitly supposed
that the cardinal _does_ speak for women, tho'. Heh heh.
A church which relegates women to subservient
2nd-class people.
I have no knowledge about that but I doubt that it's true.
What knowledge "about that" Ray Fischer has only proves
that his claim is a lie. That's why he offers only his empty
assertions, not evidence.
I am sure women make roughly 50% of the congregation
and if they felt they were subservient 2nd-class people,
then they would revolt.
Women are way more than "50% of the congregation"
of regular Catholic churchgoers. This is typical of
virtually all other Christian denominations as well.
Ray Fischer knows it too. Now, either Ray Fischer
holds the rather mysogynistic position that women
are espeically gullible and weak-willed, being soooo
willingly kept as "subservient 2nd-class people" or
Ray Fischer is lying when he attributes 2nd-class
status to Catholic and other Christian women.
I'll grant that Ray Fischer is _both_ misogynistic
_and_ lying. Why should Ray Fischer be different
from all the other pro-lie, anti-life crowd, including
the true-believer feminists?
I am pretty sure they like their position within
their own society and why they probably agree
with the cardinal on his views on abortion.
It's hardly a stretch to suppose that more women,
in the Dominican Republic _or_ the USA agree
with this Catholic cardinal's views on marriage,
family, values, children, and the unborn than with
Ray Fischer's extremely anti-life, pro-abortion views.
Hence the title.
Awarded by his church.
and supported by his members. ;)
Olé, agsf_57, with that remark you've bested Ray Fischer game,
set and match.
LOL, in your dreams.
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29 Oct 2007 12:11:58 AM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 28, 11:01 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women.
An obvious falsehood. He speaks for his church and the pope.
Well, people of his church see him in this light.
Which proves nothing at all.
Whether you or I
agree, is irrelevant.
He speaks for God regardless of what I think?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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30 Oct 2007 07:54:41 AM |
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On 28 Okt., 21:12, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 28, 11:01 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women.
An obvious falsehood. He speaks for his church and the pope.
Well, people of his church see him in this light. Whether you or I
agree, is irrelevant. You asked "And he does" and the answer to your
question is "Yes, he does to the people who follow him and his
religious beliefs".
In other words he speaks for the women who believe as he does, which
means that he does not speak for the great majority of women
(including many Catholic women) who do not believe as he does.
A church which relegates women to subservient 2nd-class people.
I have no knowledge about that but I doubt that it's true. I am sure
women make roughly 50% of the congregation and if they felt they were
subservient 2nd-class people, then they would revolt. I am pretty sure
they like their position within their own society and why they
probably agree with the cardinal on his views on abortion.
It really is irrelevant how many Catholic women actually agree with
the Cardinal; their position in the Church is still subservient.
Hence the title.
Awarded by his church.
and supported by his members. ;)
Again, even if that were true, it does not translate into him being a
spokesman for women. Furthermore the actual beliefs of individual
members of the Church cannot be assumed to be in agreement with the
Cardinal or even with the official position of the Church.
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29 Oct 2007 07:38:06 AM |
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On 28 Okt., 05:00, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
--
Ray Fischer
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women. Hence the title.
Regards...
No matter what he or you believe, he does not speak for all women;
many of which totally disagree with him. He doesn't ask what women
want; he tells them. He is speaking for his own arrogance.
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28 Oct 2007 03:34:36 AM |
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On 28-Oct-2007, "agsf_57@yahoo.com" <agsf_57@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
--
Ray Fischer
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women. Hence the title.
No, he speaks for Jesus, as per Catholic beliefs.
That's a lot narrower descriptor, thanks.
Susan
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27 Oct 2007 11:48:07 PM |
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On Oct 28, 12:00 am, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
--
Ray Fischer
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women. Hence the title.
No. The guy speaks for himself and/or his sect.
Olrik
Regards...
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28 Oct 2007 09:49:02 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 04:00:12 -0000, "agsf_57@yahoo.com"
<agsf_57@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
--
Ray Fischer
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women. Hence the title.
Regards...
You got any proof of any 'god'?
Imaginary dieties don't make for much respect of their cult.
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28 Oct 2007 01:52:16 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 04:00:12 -0000, "agsf_57@yahoo.com"
<agsf_57@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
And he does?
--
Ray Fischer
Yes, he speaks for God loving men and women. Hence the title.
Yes, the title denotes honot and nobility:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/05/22/wpope...
Vatican shake-up as Pope ousts 'loan shark' cardinal
By Malcolm Moore in Rome
(Filed: 22/05/2006)
The Pope has started a major reshuffle of the Vatican's most senior
clergy, replacing a notorious cardinal who has faced allegations of
loan sharking in the past.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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28 Oct 2007 04:23:48 PM |
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J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in news:1193540583.692392.283130
@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal
So this man--a fucking priesty-type boy-trolling never-been-between-female-
knees-since-he-was-born man--thinks he's in a position to say which women
speak for women.
That's rich.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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28 Oct 2007 10:54:54 AM |
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Ku Klux Kook "J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1193540583.692392.283130@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Santo Domingo, Oct 26, 2007 / 11:14 am (CNA).- Cardinal Nicolas de
Jesus Lopez Rodriguez of Santo Domingo,
Given your daily bigotry, since when do you take anyone of Latin heritage
seriously, "J"?
"I personally don't know any hispanics that are offended when called
"Beaner". Some people need to lighten up."
From: J Young <younginsig...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.abortion,tx.politics,soc.men
Subject: Beaners Coffee drops name to not offend Hispanics
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:54:28 -0700
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28 Oct 2007 03:23:15 AM |
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On 28 Okt., 04:03, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Ah... the usual reliable source of information...
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
I love this: a cardinal and J Young. Two women-haters who pretend to
have authority on feminism...
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28 Oct 2007 08:21:42 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:23:15 -0700, parsifal50 wrote:
On 28 Okt., 04:03, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Ah... the usual reliable source of information...
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
I love this: a cardinal and J Young. Two women-haters who pretend to
have authority on feminism...
Now, now, J Young is quite equitable. He hates *everybody*...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“The most dangerous man to any government is the
man who is able to think things out... without regard
to the prevailing superstitions and taboos.
Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the
government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.”
- H. L. Mencken
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28 Oct 2007 08:34:07 AM |
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On Oct 27, 10:03?pm, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
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Santo Domingo, Oct 26, 2007 / 11:14 am (CNA).- Cardinal Nicolas de
Jesus Lopez Rodriguez of Santo Domingo, responded to criticism by
radical feminists this week who accused him of pressuring the
country's legislature not to legalize abortion, saying these groups do
not represent the interests of women.
"Women have always had all of my respect," the cardinal said, "but I
have never agreed, nor will I ever agree, with feminists of the bad
kind, who are given over to everything except helping women."
According to the cardinal, feminists, together with the United
Nations, are the ones pressuring the governments of the world to
legalize abortion.
Feminist groups, he explained, do not fight for the dignity of women,
but rather they bring women down with the help of some sectors of
society. "Only an imbecile, a moron, someone ignorant of everything,
could defend that position," he said.
Feminists? They are in for a rude awaking in the new world JY.
Women are men's love, pleasure and worship object and sometime men
'buff up their prized possession' a little too much.
Many women say they can't understand men, just as many men say they
can't understand women. In the bible it reminds us that God's way is
not man's way, and we can all be very grateful for that, as we can see
what has happened when demigods take power on earth.
Well, to further distill this we can say that God's way is not man's
way and man's way is not woman's way. Every creature has it's way and
when you can come to peace with this you will be on your OWN way to
finding peace.
"Were I a nightingale, I would act the part of a nightingale; were I a
swan, the part of a swan." Epictetus
There are many, many gender specific peace disrupters for women to
contend with who are not renunciates. My opinion is: the average women
will not be at peace (find enlightenment) just by paying it lip
service unless she makes drastic changes in her life. (Same with men,
so they are not off the hook.)
Women, generally do not like hearing about gender specific obstacles
from men though. Most women have a chip on their shoulder...or should
I say a chip on their breast concerning men. Women have a hubby on
one breast, a kid on the other breast and the rest of the male
population trying to get a piece / peace of them as well.
So, who can blame women for carrying a grudge and being overly
sensitive in this area after everyone is trying to grab at them.
Besides a burning desire for most women to evolve spiritually, they
also have a burning desire to be equal to a man.
Many subscribe to the politically correct, but wrong view that all
creatures are equal.
In any case, I do not feel the need to apologize for the difference
between a male and female - that is what makes them unique and is part
of natural law.
Either something is true or not, that is the bottom line. And the
truth is :men and women will never be equal, nor should they be. Men
are not better than women and women are not better than men - they are
just different as well as the same.
I will tell women to toughen up, as new their role in the not so
distant future will be that of a sex slave once they poke their head
out the door. So better start strapping a piece to protect your female
parts ladies when TEOTWAK arrives. (And don't consider this a threat
from me, I am only commenting on how most of society will act.)
http://www.amazon.com/Out-Gas-End-Age-Oil/dp/0393058573
Sex is crazy business for sure.
I am always amazed each spring when I take walks around a local lake
that has a large duck population. I see four male ducks surround a
female to pin her down and take turns having sex with her all the
while biting the feathers off her neck and head.
They all seem to be driven and squawking loudly all the while. If they
were humans, the males would get 20 years in jail most likely for such
behavior. In any case, it is natures way ... with ducks at least.
Below is a snip on the subject of praying mantis sexual practice
(condensed) Or, skip this paragraph and get to my post if not
interested. But, this paragraph just illustrates that all species have
to deal with the same issues as humans more or less when it comes to
sex...craziness and peace disruption.
As the Taoist say...fleas come with the dog. so forget 100% peace if
you are talking about participating in sex and forget 100% peace as
well if you are thinking celibacy (unless you are dead to natures sex
drive altogether.)
But celibates do have the 'possibility' of more peace than the sex
addict that gratifies all their desires.
This possibility is so since sexual stimulation produces chemicals in
the brain and body, so the sex addict is on a constant high, whereas
the celibate is hopefully less drugged up.
But nature gives us some sex hype for free, so either way we can get
drunk from our own efforts or from outside sources that are mostly
beyond our control...the addict just helps nature with manufacturing
more drugs internally around the clock.
From: How to Want What You Have:
"People who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of sensual pleasure
find that the more pleasure they get, the more they want. Small,
ordinary pleasures soon lose their power to please and must be
replaced with more intense or exotic ones. Heedless sensualists
usually meet a bad end. They learn the hard way that their desires are
relentless and insatiable."
Written by Patrick O'Brian on the subject of Sexual Practices of the
Praying Mantis
Stephen watch the male mantis step cautiously towards the female
mantis. In three strides he was upon her; his legs gripped her wing-
covers; his antennae found hers and began to stroke them and
copulation began.
After a few minutes the female moved her triangular head pivoting it
from left to right, then I there was a blur of movements so rapid that
for all his care and extreme attention he could not follow them, and
the males head was off, clamped there, a detached lemon, under the
crook of her green praying arms.
She bit into it, and the eye's glow went out; on her back the headless
male continued to copulate rather more strongly than before; all his
inhibitions having been removed. Ten minutes later the female took off
three pieces of her mate's long thorax and ate them with every
appearance of appetite, dropping a few crumbs in front of her.
The male copulated on, still firmly anchored by his back legs. Stephen
thought to himself, "You do not need a head, nor even a heart, to be
all a female can require." (end)
Animals are interesting to study when the subject turns to sex. we
sometimes think that we are the only ones crazed with such feelings.
for more on this subject
check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality And yes, many animals
masturbate as well.
Being hyped up is a byproduct of sex. One goes with the other, so no
use beating yourself up over it.
The nature of the beast with sex is to get excited, so this is what
makes it tougher addiction than food and spending, as we can eat or
spend and still be devoid of most of the excitement from these areas
if we wish. But in general, we cannot participate in sexual activity
without getting excited.
In addition, it takes a day or two for some of us to go back to normal
from sex, so this refractory period is another area to deal with
whenever we get hyped up sexually. Is this refractory period bad? No,
it is just how things are.
The problem with addicts, whether sexual addicts or otherwise, is they
overdo things to a point of pain - that is what's bad.
In reality, sex is never perfect and it always needs to be adjusted
somewhat.
And just by being married is not a free pass to abusing sex stimuli
all the times either, as I have tendency to do.
It is no different from thinking you can drink all the time cause you
own a whisky factory or eat rich food all the time if you are a four
star restaurant owner.
All our actions produce consequences and many of these actions will
produce consequences that destroy our peace if we are not mindful of
them.
"Just as a life of virtue yields its own reward, a life of vice yields
its own punishment" - Plutarch
Perfection with sex?
This is where most addicts fail.
Where judgments have to be made, mistakes can and will happen.
Forget perfection - look for direction.
There are 3 directions we can take in life, we can get better, get
worse or stay the same.
Sexual Compulsives Anonymous gives us some guidelines: Is the activity
placing unreasonable demands on my time and energy, will it place me
in legal jeopardy or endanger my mental, physical or spiritual
health?
Even Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews had sex on 'his, her or it's' mind
when God told the Hebrews.
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women
children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for
yourselves." Numbers 31:17-18
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
AA#2
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| Title: Re: Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal |
28 Oct 2007 10:29:00 PM |
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On 28-Oct-2007, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Feminists? They are in for a rude awaking in the new world JY.
Women are men's love, pleasure and worship object and sometime men
'buff up their prized possession' a little too much.
Why is it that the biggest losers always talk the biggest talk?
Susan
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal |
28 Oct 2007 07:06:31 PM |
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On Oct 27, 11:03 pm, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
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WTF would a Dominican cardinal know about women? Jonny, you've posted
some pretty stupid stuff in here over the years (no suprise, since
you're a very stupid man), but this one's a doozie.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "elizabeth" |
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| Title: Re: Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal |
28 Oct 2007 03:49:27 PM |
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On Oct 27, 8:03 pm, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
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I hardly think a man who lives with other men, wears red shoes, a
dress and a big hat speaks for women, or most men, for that matter.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal |
28 Oct 2007 11:41:14 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:03:03 -0700, J Young wrote:
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
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But "celibate" men in *faaaaabulous* red dresses do!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal |
27 Oct 2007 10:06:43 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:03:03 -0700, in alt.atheism
J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in
<1193540583.692392.283130@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
It's fairly arrogant of an organization that never allows women to say
anything to claim that they represent the interests of women.
Santo Domingo, Oct 26, 2007 / 11:14 am (CNA).- Cardinal Nicolas de
Jesus Lopez Rodriguez of Santo Domingo, responded to criticism by
radical feminists this week who accused him of pressuring the
country's legislature not to legalize abortion, saying these groups do
not represent the interests of women.
"Women have always had all of my respect," the cardinal said, "but I
have never agreed, nor will I ever agree, with feminists of the bad
kind, who are given over to everything except helping women."
According to the cardinal, feminists, together with the United
Nations, are the ones pressuring the governments of the world to
legalize abortion.
Feminist groups, he explained, do not fight for the dignity of women,
but rather they bring women down with the help of some sectors of
society. "Only an imbecile, a moron, someone ignorant of everything,
could defend that position," he said.
The Roman Catholic Church fights the rights of women every chance they
get. I cannot fathom why a single woman in the world belongs to that
organization.
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27 Oct 2007 10:59:18 PM |
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On Oct 27, 7:06 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:03:03 -0700, in alt.atheism
J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote in
<1193540583.692392.283...@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10802
Feminists don't speak for women, says Dominican cardinal in blistering
reply
It's fairly arrogant of an organization that never allows women to say
anything to claim that they represent the interests of women.
What makes you think they do not? Most religions hold women with high
value, thus encouraging and demanding men to put the value of women
and children over their own.
Feminist groups, he explained, do not fight for the dignity of women,
but rather they bring women down with the help of some sectors of
society. "Only an imbecile, a moron, someone ignorant of everything,
could defend that position," he said.
The Roman Catholic Church fights the rights of women every chance they
get. I cannot fathom why a single woman in the world belongs to that
organization.
Because you are naive and think women in societies like Afghanistan,
are oppressed. I would think that an unmarried American woman with two
children from two different men is more oppressed than a burka wearing
woman who stays home and cares for the children while her husband
works to support and protect her and their children.
Feminism sold you a lie. Making abortion illegal does not oppress
women, it makes women and men more responsible and focused when it
comes to reproduction.
Regards...
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