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"Carol Lee Smith" |
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29 Dec 2003 10:57:52 AM |
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Fighting for "God's law" |
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/050261.htm?terms=n545b
December 14, 2003
Idaho Legislator Fights for God's Law
Among those who think that America would be better off if it were
transformed into some sort of theocratic state where certain religions and
religious beliefs are given endorsement and support by the government
while others are ignored or discriminated against are people who should no
better: elected representatives. They serve because of the democratic
process, but they deliberately seek to undermine it.
One of those is Idaho State Senator Gerry Sweet, as the Idaho Statesman
reports:
This isn't a religious issue. The issue is about where our laws come from
and who is the great legislator of the universe, which the Idaho
Constitution points out is Almighty God, Gerry Sweet said Friday. Its
becoming more and more critical to stand up and defend our Judeo-Christian
heritage.
It's rare that you find someone contradicting themselves so quickly and
obviously. It's not a "religious issue," but it is critical for the
American government to defend "Judeo-Christian" beliefs.
Ummmm.... aren't Judeo-Christian beliefs.... religious?
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Fighting for "God's law" |
29 Dec 2003 11:48:26 AM |
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Carol Lee Smith wrote:
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/050261.htm?terms=n545b
December 14, 2003
Idaho Legislator Fights for God's Law
Among those who think that America would be better off if it were
transformed into some sort of theocratic state where certain religions and
religious beliefs are given endorsement and support by the government
while others are ignored or discriminated against are people who should no
better: elected representatives. They serve because of the democratic
process, but they deliberately seek to undermine it.
One of those is Idaho State Senator Gerry Sweet, as the Idaho Statesman
reports:
This isn't a religious issue. The issue is about where our laws come from
and who is the great legislator of the universe, which the Idaho
Constitution points out is Almighty God, Gerry Sweet said Friday. Its
becoming more and more critical to stand up and defend our Judeo-Christian
heritage.
It's rare that you find someone contradicting themselves so quickly and
obviously. It's not a "religious issue," but it is critical for the
American government to defend "Judeo-Christian" beliefs.
Ummmm.... aren't Judeo-Christian beliefs.... religious?
-----------end of excerpt----------------
Nope. True Believers have Truth, not religion. Senator Sweet's comments are,
as far as fanatics are concerned, not at all contradictory.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Fighting for "God's law" |
29 Dec 2003 06:41:04 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:48:26 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
snippage
It's rare that you find someone contradicting themselves so quickly and
obviously. It's not a "religious issue," but it is critical for the
American government to defend "Judeo-Christian" beliefs.
Nope. True Believers have Truth, not religion. Senator Sweet's comments are,
as far as fanatics are concerned, not at all contradictory.
May I add..... He's just being a slimy politician. Bending over for
the superstitious always gets votes. Votes count, not intelligence.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Fighting for "God's law" |
29 Dec 2003 11:38:40 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Steve Knight wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:48:26 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
Absolutely nothing which included in this post.
snippage
Why bother to quote someone whose comments you have snipped?
Inquiring minds want to know.
It's rare that you find someone contradicting themselves so quickly and
obviously. It's not a "religious issue," but it is critical for the
American government to defend "Judeo-Christian" beliefs.
Nope. True Believers have Truth, not religion. Senator Sweet's comments are,
as far as fanatics are concerned, not at all contradictory.
May I add..... He's just being a slimy politician. Bending over for
the superstitious always gets votes. Votes count, not intelligence.
Warlord Steve
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Fighting for "God's law" |
29 Dec 2003 06:56:27 PM |
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Steve Knight <wooooly@sonic.net> wrote in
news:g6i1vvsfet78o62fo2grtb27nf1snb66ut@4ax.com:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:48:26 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
snippage
It's rare that you find someone contradicting themselves so quickly
and obviously. It's not a "religious issue," but it is critical for
the American government to defend "Judeo-Christian" beliefs.
Nope. True Believers have Truth, not religion. Senator Sweet's
comments are, as far as fanatics are concerned, not at all
contradictory.
May I add..... He's just being a slimy politician. Bending over for
the superstitious always gets votes. Votes count, not intelligence.
"slimy politician". Isn't that just a little bit redundant?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Fighting for "God's law" |
29 Dec 2003 01:40:03 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Carol Lee Smith poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
[newsgroups trimmed]
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/050261.htm?terms=n545b
....
One of those is Idaho State Senator Gerry Sweet, as the Idaho Statesman
reports:
This isn't a religious issue. The issue is about where our laws come from
and who is the great legislator of the universe, which the Idaho
Constitution points out is Almighty God, Gerry Sweet said Friday. Its
becoming more and more critical to stand up and defend our Judeo-Christian
heritage.
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It looks like a case of theists doing what they most enjoy, namely
playing word games.
In this case the argument hinges on the distinction between religion and
heritage. The senator is basically saying "Hey, you don't have to
worship our god. You just have to acknowledge our god as the source of
our laws. Our basic beliefs have been around a long time (and thus
deserve respect)." In simpler terms the message is: Believe whatever you
want, as long as you acknowledge that we are right.
Regards,
Josef
Fundamentalism means never having to say "I'm wrong."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Fighting for "God's law" |
30 Dec 2003 10:37:15 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:40:03 -0500, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> posted to alt.atheism:
In this case the argument hinges on the distinction between religion and
heritage. The senator is basically saying "Hey, you don't have to
worship our god. You just have to acknowledge our god as the source of
our laws. Our basic beliefs have been around a long time (and thus
deserve respect)." In simpler terms the message is: Believe whatever you
want, as long as you acknowledge that we are right.
There's a difference between religion - making one sect the official
one of the nation - and heritage - acknowledging that the US is a
Judeo/Christian (minus the Jews) nation.
"Be any kind of Christian you like, but you have to be Christian".
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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