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"TheHeartOfAHero" |
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09 Jul 2007 05:36:43 PM |
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Finding Myself |
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level. I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer. I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God? If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"
http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point? I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions? Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying? I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 05:57:00 PM |
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"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level. I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer. I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God? If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"
http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point? I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions? Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying? I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
There is nothing at all wrong with searching for your own view of God.
I have done so myself all of my life.
Each person has his or her own perspective on life,
and his or her own view of God.
Even atheists have their view of God.
Atheists just know that in the beginning of things, all there is, is people,
coming from the sea.
They created God, who in turn created them before they even did that.
People and God create each other.
It is mutual.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 09:31:01 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com>
bloodied us up with this:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level. I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer. I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God? If I'm shopping for a TV
what is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV
without even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores
that may sell TVs?"
http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point? I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions? Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying? I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
There is nothing at all wrong with searching for your own view of God.
Actually, he is searching for his own god. Not a version of yours.
I have done so myself all of my life.
Each person has his or her own perspective on life,
and his or her own view of God.
Even atheists have their view of God.
Please explain. My view of your god is a null set.
Atheists just know that in the beginning of things, all there is, is
people, coming from the sea.
Liar.
They created God, who in turn created them before they even did that.
Liar.
People and God create each other.
Liar.
It is mutual.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 10:50:24 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9968C68996564vicman@216.196.97.142...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com>
bloodied us up with this:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level. I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer. I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God? If I'm shopping for a TV
what is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV
without even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores
that may sell TVs?"
http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point? I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions? Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying? I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
There is nothing at all wrong with searching for your own view of God.
Actually, he is searching for his own god. Not a version of yours.
I have done so myself all of my life.
Each person has his or her own perspective on life,
and his or her own view of God.
Even atheists have their view of God.
Please explain. My view of your god is a null set.
Anything that is perfect in life may in some sense be God,
whether you have yet come to realize it or not.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 10:54:03 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> bloodied
us up with this:
I have done so myself all of my life.
Each person has his or her own perspective on life,
and his or her own view of God.
Even atheists have their view of God.
Please explain. My view of your god is a null set.
Anything that is perfect in life may in some sense be God,
whether you have yet come to realize it or not.
And anything that is perfect in my life either was already perfect, or I
made it so. Nya nya nya.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 07:10:28 PM |
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"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life.
Ok.
My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level.
I already don't think much of your way of life. You seem to just believe
things willy-nilly, without a shred of evidence.
I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer.
So it's fringe cults for you?
I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God?
What, exactly, has this Jesus character done to punish you? Did anyone else
see him punish you?
If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"
If your time is worth more than what you might expect to save by careful
barganing, then buy the first one that you see.
http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point?
No. Until you present some reason to even consider a god, you're just being
irrational.
I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions?
Again, don't you think you should establish that a god even exists before
you start blaming it for punishing you?
Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying?
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that a supernatural being
is punishing you.
I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
Why not abandon the whole idea of a god and start fresh with no god belief,
and see where you get to from there?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "TheHeartOfAHero" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 07:32:15 PM |
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On Jul 9, 8:10 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life.
Ok.
My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level.
I already don't think much of your way of life. You seem to just believe
things willy-nilly, without a shred of evidence.
I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer.
So it's fringe cults for you?
I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God?
What, exactly, has this Jesus character done to punish you? Did anyone else
see him punish you?
If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"
If your time is worth more than what you might expect to save by careful
barganing, then buy the first one that you see.
http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point?
No. Until you present some reason to even consider a god, you're just being
irrational.
I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions?
Again, don't you think you should establish that a god even exists before
you start blaming it for punishing you?
Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying?
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that a supernatural being
is punishing you.
I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
Why not abandon the whole idea of a god and start fresh with no god belief,
and see where you get to from there?
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there. To
think not is just rather odd to me, I posted this to the atheist group
because i was once an atheist myself. I then one day took some time to
think about it and wondered why would god not exist? Why wouldn't a
good exist? Other than the argument that all atheists make, that god
is a fairy tale and childs play. The existence of god has not been
proved or disproved, unless you think not having god standing in plain
sight is evidence that he does not exest. Then I though what do I gain
by not believing in him? Nothing, their is very little to learn or
gain from having no beliefs in god, but by believing in him I am at
least getting a A for effort sort to say, and gaining more of an
understanding of why their should/shouldn't or why I want a God to
exist.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 08:03:51 PM |
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"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com>
snip
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there.
Why?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Thandarr" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
10 Jul 2007 01:53:37 PM |
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On Jul 9, 8:03 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com>
snip
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there.
Why?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Cause he sure ain't here.
Thandarr
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 11:56:24 PM |
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"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184027535.959692.139940@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 9, 8:10 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life.
Ok.
My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level.
I already don't think much of your way of life. You seem to just believe
things willy-nilly, without a shred of evidence.
I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer.
So it's fringe cults for you?
I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God?
What, exactly, has this Jesus character done to punish you? Did anyone
else
see him punish you?
If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"
If your time is worth more than what you might expect to save by careful
barganing, then buy the first one that you see.
http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point?
No. Until you present some reason to even consider a god, you're just
being
irrational.
I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions?
Again, don't you think you should establish that a god even exists before
you start blaming it for punishing you?
Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying?
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that a supernatural
being
is punishing you.
I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
Why not abandon the whole idea of a god and start fresh with no god
belief,
and see where you get to from there?
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there.
What leads you to think that?
To
think not is just rather odd to me,
The only reason I can think of to hold that opinion is that it's unpopular
to think there isn't one. But the popularity of a belief is not a reason to
hold it as true.
I posted this to the atheist group
because i was once an atheist myself.
Can you describe what evidence convinced you there was a god.
I then one day took some time to
think about it and wondered why would god not exist?
You've put the cart before the horse. Before you ask why a god might or
might not exist, you need to answer the question DOES a god exist. Then you
can move on to "why" questions.
Why wouldn't a
good exist?
We need to know that one does before we can meaningfully ask that question.
Are you sure you were an atheist?
Other than the argument that all atheists make, that god
is a fairy tale and childs play. The existence of god has not been
proved or disproved, unless you think not having god standing in plain
sight is evidence that he does not exest.
Without evidence that a god exists, there's no reason to even consider the
idea, and no reason to even posit one in the first place. Also, since you
admit they're not proved, there's no reason to believe in them. To claim the
existence of an unevidenced thing is called Making Something Up. That's why
atheists call gods fairy tales. They're Made Up. They have to be, because
you admit flat out that they have not been proved.
Only if you have clear and unambiguous evidence for your god can you claim
it's not Made Up.
Until then, the proper attitude is skepticism. The alternative is
gullibility.
Then I though what do I gain
by not believing in him?
Freedom. Honesty. Integrity. Responsibility.
Nothing, their is very little to learn or
gain from having no beliefs in god, but by believing in him I am at
least getting a A for effort sort to say, and gaining more of an
understanding of why their should/shouldn't or why I want a God to
exist.
I do not believe you when you say you were an atheist. That is not the
thinking of an atheist.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "jem" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
10 Jul 2007 04:15:36 PM |
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I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there.
Thinking it must be so- does not change if it is so or not.
To
think not is just rather odd to me, I posted this to the atheist group
because i was once an atheist myself.
If you think it is "just rather odd" to not think there is some kind
of god pretty much excludes atheism, I don't think you are being
honest.
I then one day took some time to
think about it and wondered why would god not exist?
well, for me it's because the concept of god was created by primitive
peoples and the virus has never been eradicated.
Why wouldn't a good exist?
Good exists, mostly as an adjective.
ther than the argument that all atheists make, that god
is a fairy tale and childs play.
You say that like that's a bad thing.
The existence of god has not been
proved or disproved, unless you think not having god standing in plain
sight is evidence that he does not exest.
That certainly doesn't refute it. That's just one of many reasons.
Then I though what do I gain by not believing in him?
You seem to have answered this poorly.
Nothing,
BINGO! the wrong answer.
their is very little to learn or
gain from having no beliefs in god,
You are so far off the rails you can't hear the whistle blow.
Here's what you gain for starters, reality.
A huge wealth of awe inspiring reality. You gain an open-ness to new
ideas, and you can think them through, and you are also open to
learning things from everybody, you don't have to blinder yourself
from things because dogma/doctrine/scripture/whatever tells you to.
You gain everything.
but by believing in him I am at
least getting a A for effort sort to say,
Only as you or a "nice" theist would grade you.
You'd be repeating the class if I graded you.
Are you convinced you will get the everlasting reward now? If you are
shopping for god rewards, rumour has it you can get 72 virgins, but
watch out for the small print.
and gaining more of an
understanding of why their should/shouldn't or why I want a God to
exist.
At the root of it, you succumbed to wishful thinking.
Simplistic wishful thinking.
Maybe next go-round you'll have the ability to think critically.
I wish you luck ;-)
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| User: "Olrik" |
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09 Jul 2007 09:47:33 PM |
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On Jul 9, 8:32 pm, TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 8:10 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life.
Ok.
My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level.
I already don't think much of your way of life. You seem to just believe
things willy-nilly, without a shred of evidence.
I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer.
So it's fringe cults for you?
I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God?
What, exactly, has this Jesus character done to punish you? Did anyone else
see him punish you?
If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"
If your time is worth more than what you might expect to save by careful
barganing, then buy the first one that you see.
http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point?
No. Until you present some reason to even consider a god, you're just being
irrational.
I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions?
Again, don't you think you should establish that a god even exists before
you start blaming it for punishing you?
Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying?
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that a supernatural being
is punishing you.
I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
Why not abandon the whole idea of a god and start fresh with no god belief,
and see where you get to from there?
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there.
The universe is already complex as it is. Why add another layer to
it?
Olrik
To think not is just rather odd to me, I posted this to the atheist group
because i was once an atheist myself. I then one day took some time to
think about it and wondered why would god not exist? Why wouldn't a
good exist? Other than the argument that all atheists make, that god
is a fairy tale and childs play. The existence of god has not been
proved or disproved, unless you think not having god standing in plain
sight is evidence that he does not exest. Then I though what do I gain
by not believing in him? Nothing, their is very little to learn or
gain from having no beliefs in god, but by believing in him I am at
least getting a A for effort sort to say, and gaining more of an
understanding of why their should/shouldn't or why I want a God to
exist.
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| User: "Liz" |
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09 Jul 2007 08:54:32 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:32:15 -0700, TheHeartOfAHero
<ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote:
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there. To
think not is just rather odd to me, I posted this to the atheist group
because i was once an atheist myself. I then one day took some time to
think about it and wondered why would god not exist? Why wouldn't a
good exist? Other than the argument that all atheists make, that god
is a fairy tale and childs play. The existence of god has not been
proved or disproved, unless you think not having god standing in plain
sight is evidence that he does not exest. Then I though what do I gain
by not believing in him? Nothing, their is very little to learn or
gain from having no beliefs in god, but by believing in him I am at
least getting a A for effort sort to say, and gaining more of an
understanding of why their should/shouldn't or why I want a God to
exist.
Isn't that special. Who is giving you the A for effort and why do you
think that is at all important?
Liz #658 BAAWA
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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09 Jul 2007 10:02:06 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com>
bloodied us up with this:
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there.
Why? Science has explained almost *everything* the religious formerly
laid claim to without involving magic or superstition. A body in motion
tends to stay in motion. Gods, to todays thinking society, are nothing
but wishful thinking.
Face your fear of death, and think it through.
To
think not is just rather odd to me, I posted this to the atheist group
because i was once an atheist myself.
What happened? A blow to the head? Some bad acid?
I then one day took some time to
think about it and wondered why would god not exist?
Think positively. "Why would god exist?" You want it to exist for some
reason, which is why you think the way you do.
Face your fear of death, and think it through.
Why wouldn't a
good exist? Other than the argument that all atheists make, that god
is a fairy tale and childs play.
Try the problem with evil. If you're open to this, logic trumps
scripture.
The existence of god has not been
proved or disproved, unless you think not having god standing in plain
sight is evidence that he does not exest.
Logical fallacy: burden of proof. The burden of proof lies upon the
claimant. Let the god believers prove their claims to you. If you are
thinking clearly, their proof will seem vacant. They will cite verses
from their holy books. Their holy books do not prove the existence of
their holybook gods, any more than the Harry Potter books prove the
existence of wizards.
Think!
Then I though what do I gain
by not believing in him? Nothing, their is very little to learn or
gain from having no beliefs in god, but by believing in him I am at
least getting a A for effort sort to say, and gaining more of an
understanding of why their should/shouldn't or why I want a God to
exist.
All you are gaining is the bliss from believing a lie told to you by the
clergy. You accept the clergy as AUTHORITY, therefore anything they tell
you MUST be the truth.
THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!
Do you really believe it is possible for one man to die to atone for all
the wrongdoings of of society?
Do you really believe there is a city of gold floating in the sky
somewhere behind the clouds, for Christians only?
Do you really believe a person can be raised from the dead? Do you
really believe some part of us, BIOLOGICAL us, survives the death of the
brain? Why?
Why can't the best doctors on the planet locate the SOUL?
The obvious truth is that we're born, we live, we die. Nothing else. We
don't need gods.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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09 Jul 2007 08:59:22 PM |
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TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in
news:1184027535.959692.139940@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
<SNIP>
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there.
Why?
To
think not is just rather odd to me, I posted this to the atheist group
because i was once an atheist myself. I then one day took some time to
think about it and wondered why would god not exist? Why wouldn't a
good exist?
Why wouldn't Santa Claus or Pixies exist?
Other than the argument that all atheists make, that god
is a fairy tale and childs play. The existence of god has not been
proved or disproved, unless you think not having god standing in plain
sight is evidence that he does not exest.
That isn't an argument, it is more a statement of fact. The existance of
Santa Claus and Pixies has not been disproved either. The question you
should be asking is, what is the evidence for such things.
Then I though what do I gain
by not believing in him? Nothing,
About the same as you gain from not believing in Pixies. It is a question
of being honest, not whether or not anything is gained. You have
arbitrarily decided to believe in a god and also decided that this
particular god is a male. On what evidence did you arrive at such a
conclusion?
their is very little to learn or
gain from having no beliefs in god, but by believing in him I am at
least getting a A for effort sort to say, and gaining more of an
understanding of why their should/shouldn't or why I want a God to
exist.
Existence is not a matter of want.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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10 Jul 2007 08:14:22 AM |
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On 10 Jul 2007 13:59:22 +1200, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in
news:1184027535.959692.139940@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
<SNIP>
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there.
Why?
To
think not is just rather odd to me, I posted this to the atheist group
because i was once an atheist myself. I then one day took some time to
think about it and wondered why would god not exist? Why wouldn't a
good exist?
Why wouldn't Santa Claus or Pixies exist?
Other than the argument that all atheists make, that god
is a fairy tale and childs play. The existence of god has not been
proved or disproved, unless you think not having god standing in plain
sight is evidence that he does not exest.
That isn't an argument, it is more a statement of fact. The existance of
Santa Claus and Pixies has not been disproved either. The question you
should be asking is, what is the evidence for such things.
Then I though what do I gain
by not believing in him? Nothing,
About the same as you gain from not believing in Pixies. It is a question
of being honest, not whether or not anything is gained. You have
arbitrarily decided to believe in a god and also decided that this
particular god is a male. On what evidence did you arrive at such a
conclusion?
their is very little to learn or
gain from having no beliefs in god, but by believing in him I am at
least getting a A for effort sort to say, and gaining more of an
understanding of why their should/shouldn't or why I want a God to
exist.
Existence is not a matter of want.
Klazmon.
Speaking of Santa, what's the deal with the lump of coal for naughty children?
Did Santa really do that or just not give them anything? I would imagine it was
also punishment for the mother who had to wash out the sock. Or, on the other
hand, was a lump of coal actually a very useful item to have during the winter
back then?
Ben
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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09 Jul 2007 08:22:49 PM |
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TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in
news:1184027535.959692.139940@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
I think . . . .
There's where you went wrong. You didn't think, you felt. You felt bad
knowing you were going to die some day, and you feel for a belief that
made you feal better.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
If Jesus were among us today, he’d *****-slap George Bush, Mel Gibson,
Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly for using Christ as political cannon-
fodder.
--Thurston Wells
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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09 Jul 2007 09:32:25 PM |
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TheHeartOfAHero wrote:
I think that there must be some form of God somewhere out there. To
think not is just rather odd to me,
Yes, that's understandable...
but still, God is a delusion. If you are actually interested in
discovering whether or not there is a god, and why you could so easily
believe there is one when there really isn't, you ought to try to read
Dawkin's book The God Delusion.
might be difficult for you to do though!
Jim
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 09:37:08 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> bloodied us up
with this:
If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"
If your time is worth more than what you might expect to save by careful
barganing, then buy the first one that you see.
Good advice, but I would add: Go to the most reputable dealer and see
what's on sale. Of course, this cannot be compared to the Church, since
they all claim to be the most reputable dealer, and none can prove it.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 06:30:34 PM |
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"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy
Philsoy?
is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God,
Do you realize that you posted this to alt.atheism?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Jul 2007 06:49:53 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:30:34 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy
Philsoy?
Dairy product substitute?
is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God,
Do you realize that you posted this to alt.atheism?
Interesting phrase, "grow your relationship with god". Apparently this
takes a lot of ***** to fertilize...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
we will all be!"
http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
10 Jul 2007 07:12:56 AM |
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:49:53 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:30:34 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy
Philsoy?
Dairy product substitute?
is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God,
Do you realize that you posted this to alt.atheism?
Interesting phrase, "grow your relationship with god". Apparently this
takes a lot of ***** to fertilize...
Just another lame troll.
Ben
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 09:33:22 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> bloodied
us up with this:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:30:34 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy
Philsoy?
Dairy product substitute?
From Philadelphia, no less.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 06:31:08 PM |
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:30:34 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy
Philsoy?
It's bean done before?
is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God,
Do you realize that you posted this to alt.atheism?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
10 Jul 2007 09:40:39 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:a9h5931d5ode9rnb3uki8sf131uug6gk7m@4ax.com...
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:30:34 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy
Philsoy?
It's bean done before?
<Groan!> ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
10 Jul 2007 09:41:32 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:40:39 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:a9h5931d5ode9rnb3uki8sf131uug6gk7m@4ax.com...
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:30:34 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"TheHeartOfAHero" <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> wrote in message
news:1184020603.010742.302350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy
Philsoy?
It's bean done before?
<Groan!> ;)
Somebody else had already done the obvious one about the non-dairy
cream cheese.
They've got nonfat half-and-half in my supermarket [shudder].
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 08:57:10 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:36:43 -0700 there was an Ancient
TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> who stoppeth one in
alt.atheism
Recently I think I have found myself
I found myself at 13 and didn't come out of my room for days...
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Siobhan Burke" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
13 Jul 2007 06:33:08 AM |
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In article <lqp59397to1up9mm7psec7cbopdkj5q3iu@4ax.com>,
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com says...
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:36:43 -0700 there was an Ancient
TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCriminal@Goowy.com> who stoppeth one in
alt.atheism
Recently I think I have found myself
I found myself at 13 and didn't come out of my room for days...
Now that has a real Jayne sound to it--"I'll be in my bunk."
<g>
--
Siobhan - alt.atheism list #2201
hellflower.alMayne@earthlink.net (Now a real address, if you ice
the alMayne.)
Just keep walking, preacher-man. --River Tam
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| User: "Olrik" |
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09 Jul 2007 09:49:38 PM |
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On Jul 9, 9:57 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:36:43 -0700 there was an Ancient
TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com> who stoppeth one in
alt.atheism
Recently I think I have found myself
I found myself at 13 and didn't come out of my room for days...
I think there's something in that sentence the reminds me of
something... but I just can't put my hand on it...
;-)
Olrik
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
09 Jul 2007 10:37:13 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> bloodied us up with
this:
Recently I think I have found myself
I found myself at 13 and didn't come out of my room for days...
I think there's something in that sentence the reminds me of
something... but I just can't put my hand on it...
Yeah, I didn't learn how to put my hand on it for several years...
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Finding Myself |
10 Jul 2007 09:46:06 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9968D1C2E6C89vicman@216.196.97.142...
One fine day in alt.atheism, Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> bloodied us up
with
this:
Recently I think I have found myself
I found myself at 13 and didn't come out of my room for days...
I think there's something in that sentence the reminds me of
something... but I just can't put my hand on it...
Yeah, I didn't learn how to put my hand on it for several years...
Boys! Behave yourselves! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "" |
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12 Jul 2007 09:35:18 AM |
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On 10 jul, 00:36, TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com> wrote:
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level. I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer. I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God? If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point? I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions? Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying? I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
You feel you must grow a relationship with God, and you post this to
those who do not think God exists? You may have found yourself, but
you do ont seem to have found you senses!
I am not only an atheists but also a materialist, that is I think all
substance is material and the spiritual is nothing more than the
working of the brain.
So whatever you think is God is just something in you brain.
The best thing in the brain that humans have to serve as a guide
trough life, is - I think - their consience.
Not real a Creator of heaven and earth, but it knows all about you and
it tells you what to do and what no to do.
So the best advice I give you is to follow your conscience.
I hope you have a good one.
Mine tells me to try and help you, but it doesn't tell me how.
A conscience is not allmighty you know.
O yes, and remember it will not provide what is best for you
it will tell you what is the right thing, period.
If an allmighty god exists that wants me to believe in him, I will
I don't so he doesn't
Hope that puts your mind at rest.
Go and look at all things and talk to all people,
and try and learn as much as you can!
Peter van Velzen
July 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Richo" |
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10 Jul 2007 07:42:24 AM |
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On Jul 10, 8:36 am, TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com>
wrote:
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level.
Atheists don't believe in a god - not even one called God.
I don't have a relationship with God I don't want to have a
relationship with God.
I want to be as aware of reality as I can and dont want to be decieved
by illusions and delusions.
I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer. I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God? If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Does anybody see my point? I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions? Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying?
It's possible but I certainly don't.
It's all gibberish to me.
I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
I think you are in the wrong place.
Cheers, Mark.
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| User: "" |
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09 Jul 2007 08:26:28 PM |
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On Jul 9, 6:36 pm, TheHeartOfAHero <ADigitalCrimi...@Goowy.com> wrote:
Recently I think I have found myself and I am curious of what you
people think of my way of life. My lifes philsoy is that during life
we must grow your relationship with God, on a more personal level.
I could not disagree more.
I
do not think huge, "mainstream" religions like Christianity are the
answer. I wrote on my blog "...if Jesus loves me, why does he punish
me for searching for god, shouldn't he be happy that I am taking time
to look all over for other views of God? If I'm shopping for a TV what
is the point of just stopping at the first store buying the TV without
even thinking or caring about the other TVs or other stores that may
sell TVs?"http://mysearchesfortruth.blogspot.com/
Consider this. Perhaps you're stressing out over nothing. Have you not
noticed that the universe goes whirring on as if gods do not exist?
Personally, I no longer care whether they do or not. It is not
important whether or not gods exist.
Does anybody see my point? I mean if god wants us to follow him why
does he punish us for searching and learning the ways and ideas of
other religions?
Define "punishment". If you mean the mental agony of doubting
something you've believed your entire life, that's not gods-it's
normal human emotion. You're about to make a major change in your
life, and it's not a comfortable place to be in.
Well anyways does anybody understand what I am
saying? I am here for your input, thoughts, and to share my own
thoughts of god with people that may be lost like I was.
You were polite, until this last paragraph. Allow me to explain why
the insult it contains is so large. I am not "lost" because I do not
believe in gods. In fact, my discovery of the lack of them is the best
thing that ever happened to me. You should really have thought this
out better before you posted here. You admit in the first part of your
post that your own "thoughts of god" are causing you anguish. You then
wish to share them with me? You wish *I* had the self-inflicted wound
you have? Madness. You have a disease that causes you pain. To end the
pain, cure the disease. Humans have created hundreds of thousands of
god beliefs. Simply running from one to the next will not cure you.
God-belief is like the common cold-they mutate so quickly that all you
can do is treat the symptoms. Wouldn't it be better to simply be virus-
free?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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