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User: "J Young"
Date: 12 Mar 2006 03:33:25 PM
Object: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father'
Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06031001.html
In an unwitting move, Spain's government last week provided strong proof
that same-sex marriages really are anti-family.
By now, most readers know that the Spanish government passed legislation
last year making same-sex marriages legal. What most people probably don't
realize is that since the Socialist government passed that legislation there
hasn't been a run on gay couples seeking to get hitched.
Of course to read the press, one wouldn't know that gay marriages in Spain
aren't that popular. Perhaps that is because the media seems to focus on a
few isolated high-profile cases - leaving the general impression for the
casual reader that same-sex marriages are as numerous as pebbles on a
seashore.
However, despite the reported popularity of same-sex marriages, according to
some reports only around 400 couples have so far bothered to get married in
Spain.
Despite opposition from the Church and pro-family groups, the government has
continually turned a deaf ear to the needs of traditional families, in favor
of fringe politics. The argument, according to the Socialists, is that the
family has changed with the times, and so has marriage. In the end,
legislation was approved not only allowing homosexual couples to marry, but
to also adopt children.
Ironically, the Socialist government claims that although it pushed through
legislation to benefit a small minority of the population - and in the
process changed the definition of marriage - that this could in no way be
construed as an attack on the traditional family. Indeed, the government
claims that it is in truth pro-family.
So now, jump fast forward to last Friday.
That's when the Spanish government announced a ministerial order that new
births would have to be registered at the State Civil Registries in the
Family Book under the headings of Parent (progenitor) A, and Parent
(progenitor) B.
In other words, the terms "Father" and "Mother" were to be no longer used.
In Spain, marriages, births and deaths are all recorded at Civil Registries,
with most of those actions being noted in a Family Book (Libro de Familia).
While the example isn't perfect, think of the Family Book as an extended
birth certificate.
Juan Fernando López Aguilar, Spanish Minister of Justice, excused the
ministerial order by claiming since the government modified "the status of
civil marriages, to allow the union of same-sex couples, it was necessary
for a new format for the Family Book (Libro de Familia) and one that used
terms such as "Parent A" and "Parent B" instead of "Father" and "Mother."
That's right. To match up it's same-sex marriage legislation to the Civil
Registry, the government deemed that Spaniards could no longer qualify
themselves as either "Fathers" or "Mothers" of their children.
Since last Friday, the government has backpedaled a bit.
Now the Socialists claim that the traditional Family Book model will
co-exist beside a new model that incorporates the Parent A, Parent B
ministerial order. The government says that these two models are a mirror of
modern society. It should be noted that possibility wasn't mentioned - and
one suspects it's just been invented - when the ministerial order was
published in the Official State Bulletin (BOE), and which only specified
that the "expression 'father' will be substituted for "Parent A" and the
expression 'mother' for "Parent B."
Besides the curious labelling of "Fathers" and "Mothers", the BOE text not
once mentioned an additional Family Book - although it does suggest that
there could be modifications to the initially approved order - and was quite
tacit in its modifying of the current model.
Not only do we have a new, anti-natural law, anti-historical definition of
marriage in Spain, but we are now in danger of having relegated "Fathers"
and "Mothers" to being nothing more than expressions. And this is the policy
from a "pro-family government"?
Let Spain be a warning to those countries and individuals contemplating
same-sex marriage legislation. There is no slippery slope when playing with
society's most important element: the family. The desire to enact such
legislation doesn't just stop at redefining marriage, but the very essence
of what is a family - a mother and a father.
But the story doesn't end here.
It appears that various Lesbian groups in Spain are opposed to the
government's latest registry plans.
Why?
It seems they don't like the term progenitor (parent).
To understand, one has to understand that many words in Spanish - and other
languages - have gender. That's right. Some words are masculine, and others
are feminine.
The government's proposal, progenitor, is masculine. Meaning, according to
the Lesbian groups, that the term wouldn't recognize their feminine side.
They feel discriminated against. To which I say welcome aboard, so do I.
The Lesbian groups suggest using Progenitor (masculine) A, and Progenitora
(feminine) B.
At this stage, why not just call both parties progenitoras (plural), or
while we are at it, why not facilitators. After all, nowadays mothers and
fathers in Spain are nothing more than outdated, endangered expressions.
--
" The truth shall set you free "
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User: "No One"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 04:22:07 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06031001.html

In an unwitting move, Spain's government last week provided strong proof
that same-sex marriages really are anti-family.
<snip>
However, despite the reported popularity of same-sex marriages, according to
some reports only around 400 couples have so far bothered to get married in
Spain.

Despite opposition from the Church and pro-family groups, the government has
continually turned a deaf ear to the needs of traditional families, in favor
of fringe politics. <snip>

Well, here is where J. Young et al. are lying. There might have been
opposition from the usual suspects, but the Spanish government is not
turning a deaf ear to the needs of traditional families. It is not
like someone is cutting social programs that benefit "traditional
families."
Also if only 400 copules have "so far bothered to get married," so
what and what does it mean? Spains population is about 40 million. If
you figure that 3 percent are gay, that gives you 1.2 million
potentially available for same-sex marriages. If you then figure that
it will be mostly the younger ones who will take advantage of it (say,
those between 20 and 30), you can figure that you have a pool of
200,000 individuals, or 100,000 possible marriages. If you then
figure on 10 percent of those getting married in any one year, you are
down to 10,000, and not everyone is going to want to be married. so
maybe you'd expect 5000 sam-sex marriages per year. So is 400
surprisingly low? Well, not necessarily: same-sex marriages were
legalized quite recently and most people are going to make a big deal
over a marriage, with a nice ceremony, a reception, an honeymoon,
etc., and you simply can't plan that instantly.
But aside from that, if very few people are taking advantage of same-
sex marriage rights and given that Young and the Catholic Church seem
to be of the opinion that such marriages are a bad idea, then why the
hell is Young complaining when something he thinks is bad isn't
happening very much?


So now, jump fast forward to last Friday.

That's when the Spanish government announced a ministerial order that new
births would have to be registered at the State Civil Registries in the
Family Book under the headings of Parent (progenitor) A, and Parent
(progenitor) B.

In other words, the terms "Father" and "Mother" were to be no longer used.

Oh the horror! In some obscure government registry that people rarely
look at, they decided to use "Parent A" and "Parent B" to avoid having
to maintain a separate registry for same-sex couples or to expand the
amount of paper used on each entry by listing all possible
combinations explicitly. I.e., they wanted minimize the financial
cost for the government to provide a servcie to its citizens, freeing
up funds for other more productive purposes.

--
" The truth shall set you free "

(But will never free J. Young since he never seems to pay attention to
it!)
.
User: ""

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 09:32:39 PM
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:22:07 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

Oh the horror! In some obscure government registry that people rarely
look at, they decided to use "Parent A" and "Parent B" to avoid having
to maintain a separate registry for same-sex couples or to expand the
amount of paper used on each entry by listing all possible
combinations explicitly. I.e., they wanted minimize the financial
cost for the government to provide a servcie to its citizens, freeing
up funds for other more productive purposes.

Nothing new here with regards to homosexual demands for SPECIAL
TREATMENT...In a popoulation of forty million people change that whch
has been accepted in ALL SOCIETIES as the norm since time immimorial
simply to satisfy the whims of 400 deviates in that 40 million who
exhibit a perverted sexual behavior.
Tell us again how queers NEVER DEMAND SPECIAL TREATMENT.
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User: "Brian Westley"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 14 Mar 2006 09:43:18 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.

Yeah, it was soooo much better in Spain when the Catholic Church
supported fascist murderer Francisco Franco.
He's still dead, right? Haven't watched Saturday Night Live
for quite a while.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 16 Mar 2006 10:09:30 PM
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:121f3amfndjnq80@corp.supernews.com...

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.


Yeah, it was soooo much better in Spain when the Catholic Church
supported fascist murderer Francisco Franco.

He's still dead, right? Haven't watched Saturday Night Live
for quite a while.

---
Merlyn LeRoy

'S'all right. Chevy Chase hasn't been their newscaster in
quite awhile, either. Of course, the fact that J Young is
still braindead might draw Chevy back.
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User: "GoDrex"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 05:11:21 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:-qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.

I oppose your moron agenda.
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User: "Jude Alexander Jude_"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 03:58:14 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:-qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.

Well, we have NO problem knowing you're a conservative. Actually, this ALL
is wrong. They should allow the terms biological mother and biological
father and also the others to cover any other situation such as gay parents.
It's the only decent compromise.
BTW, this problem doesn't mean gay people are anti-family. This is a
complete lie. The people who are trying to make this ridiculous law are
OVERWHELMING heterosexuals who have gone too far in their inclusion of gay
people to become a part of the marriage and family life.
Nothing like meeting up with LYING conservatives who'll use ANYTHING to
further their lying agenda.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06031001.html

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User: "Parsifal"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 13 Mar 2006 03:59:37 AM
*Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
*gay agenda.
"people" don't oppose gay agenda. Intolerant morons like you do. They
are not people, they are "rats"...
Besides, what's a "gay agenda"? Why are you opposed to equal treatment
for every one? Oh, I know: you're a christian...
.
User: ""

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 13 Mar 2006 01:09:26 PM
On 13 Mar 2006 01:59:37 -0800, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com>
wrote:

*Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
*gay agenda.

"people" don't oppose gay agenda. Intolerant morons like you do. They
are not people, they are "rats"...
Besides, what's a "gay agenda"? Why are you opposed to equal treatment
for every one? Oh, I know: you're a christian...

Same old lame bull *****, different ***** sucker. Get someone to write
you a new routine, boy, yours is as stall and last week's whitebread.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 18 Mar 2006 09:55:45 PM
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:09:26 GMT,
wrote in
alt.atheism

On 13 Mar 2006 01:59:37 -0800, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com>
wrote:

*Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
*gay agenda.

"people" don't oppose gay agenda. Intolerant morons like you do. They
are not people, they are "rats"...
Besides, what's a "gay agenda"? Why are you opposed to equal treatment
for every one? Oh, I know: you're a christian...


Same old lame bull *****, different ***** sucker. Get someone to write
you a new routine, boy, yours is as stall and last week's whitebread.

Same dumbass Christian projectionism.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 19 Mar 2006 08:26:45 PM
in article n95e12dell1n8jfqbgmq55bn8e0s1lddlh@4ax.com,

at
wrote on 3/13/06 2:09 PM:

On 13 Mar 2006 01:59:37 -0800, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com>
wrote:

*Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
*gay agenda.

"people" don't oppose gay agenda. Intolerant morons like you do. They
are not people, they are "rats"...
Besides, what's a "gay agenda"? Why are you opposed to equal treatment
for every one? Oh, I know: you're a christian...


Same old lame bull *****, different ***** sucker. Get someone to write
you a new routine, boy, yours is as stall and last week's whitebread.

God hasn't given you anything new in a long, LONG time...
Paul
.



User: ""

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 18 Mar 2006 11:01:04 PM
I am confused. Which one nurses the baby, Parent A or Parent B?
.
User: "Bonnie Bitch"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 19 Mar 2006 12:00:34 AM
On 18 Mar 2006 21:01:04 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
higgledy@gmail.com

I am confused. Which one nurses the baby, Parent A or Parent B?

Of your "parents," that would be the one that wasn't shoving you back
between its legs.
.


User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 07:04:28 PM
J Young wrote:

However, despite the reported popularity of same-sex marriages, according to
some reports only around 400 couples have so far bothered to get married in
Spain.


Taking homosexuals to task for NOT shacking up with the nearest warm
body? Castigating them for seeking compatibility and not mere
availability? Denouncing them for being picky and properly valuing the
institution?
Typical.
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.

User: "Pastor Bluskie"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 05:23:45 PM
J Young wrote:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.

I agree I long for the days when queers could be legally arrested and
stoned to death.
.
User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 05:45:51 PM
Pastor Bluskie wrote:

J Young wrote:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.



I agree I long for the days when queers could be legally arrested and
stoned to death.

You couldn't do it in real life because you a coward and know that what
you are suggesting is murder.
Which commandment commands against that? I forget.
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User: "Wunderkind"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 07:35:44 PM
Pastor Bluskie wrote:

J Young wrote:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.


I agree I long for the days when queers could be legally arrested and
stoned to death.

Move to Iran then!
WK "You're not free whenever the government's watching!"
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User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 12 Mar 2006 07:50:04 PM
Wunderkind wrote:

Pastor Bluskie wrote:

J Young wrote:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.


I agree I long for the days when queers could be legally arrested and
stoned to death.

Move to Iran then!

WK "You're not free whenever the government's watching!"

I prefer the line:
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty." --Thomas Jefferson
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J Young wrote:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.


I agree I long for the days when queers could be legally arrested and
stoned to death.

I don't recall Jesus ever saying "Love thy neighbour unless he takes it up
the butt."
Maybe y'all should try reading the bible, instead of just throwing it at us.
J Yo misses the good old days of Spain...where Franco used his iron
hand to force Catholicism down everyone's throats (and in return remained
the poorest country in Western Europe).
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User: "newsguy"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 19 Mar 2006 05:12:06 AM
J Young wrote:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.

Just another conservarant. Oh poor us we could not
keep homosexuals under our power and control
like we had over blacks.
Bigots don't change, they just change the group they hate.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06031001.html







In an unwitting move, Spain's government last week provided strong proof
that same-sex marriages really are anti-family.

By now, most readers know that the Spanish government passed legislation
last year making same-sex marriages legal. What most people probably don't
realize is that since the Socialist government passed that legislation th=

ere

hasn't been a run on gay couples seeking to get hitched.

Of course to read the press, one wouldn't know that gay marriages in Spain
aren't that popular. Perhaps that is because the media seems to focus on a
few isolated high-profile cases - leaving the general impression for the
casual reader that same-sex marriages are as numerous as pebbles on a
seashore.

However, despite the reported popularity of same-sex marriages, according=

to

some reports only around 400 couples have so far bothered to get married =

in

Spain.

Despite opposition from the Church and pro-family groups, the government =

has

continually turned a deaf ear to the needs of traditional families, in fa=

vor

of fringe politics. The argument, according to the Socialists, is that the
family has changed with the times, and so has marriage. In the end,
legislation was approved not only allowing homosexual couples to marry, b=

ut

to also adopt children.

Ironically, the Socialist government claims that although it pushed throu=

gh

legislation to benefit a small minority of the population - and in the
process changed the definition of marriage - that this could in no way be
construed as an attack on the traditional family. Indeed, the government
claims that it is in truth pro-family.

So now, jump fast forward to last Friday.

That's when the Spanish government announced a ministerial order that new
births would have to be registered at the State Civil Registries in the
Family Book under the headings of Parent (progenitor) A, and Parent
(progenitor) B.

In other words, the terms "Father" and "Mother" were to be no longer used.

In Spain, marriages, births and deaths are all recorded at Civil Registri=

es,

with most of those actions being noted in a Family Book (Libro de Familia=

)=2E

While the example isn't perfect, think of the Family Book as an extended
birth certificate.

Juan Fernando L=F3pez Aguilar, Spanish Minister of Justice, excused the
ministerial order by claiming since the government modified "the status of
civil marriages, to allow the union of same-sex couples, it was necessary
for a new format for the Family Book (Libro de Familia) and one that used
terms such as "Parent A" and "Parent B" instead of "Father" and "Mother."

That's right. To match up it's same-sex marriage legislation to the Civil
Registry, the government deemed that Spaniards could no longer qualify
themselves as either "Fathers" or "Mothers" of their children.

Since last Friday, the government has backpedaled a bit.

Now the Socialists claim that the traditional Family Book model will
co-exist beside a new model that incorporates the Parent A, Parent B
ministerial order. The government says that these two models are a mirror=

of

modern society. It should be noted that possibility wasn't mentioned - and
one suspects it's just been invented - when the ministerial order was
published in the Official State Bulletin (BOE), and which only specified
that the "expression 'father' will be substituted for "Parent A" and the
expression 'mother' for "Parent B."

Besides the curious labelling of "Fathers" and "Mothers", the BOE text not
once mentioned an additional Family Book - although it does suggest that
there could be modifications to the initially approved order - and was qu=

ite

tacit in its modifying of the current model.

Not only do we have a new, anti-natural law, anti-historical definition of
marriage in Spain, but we are now in danger of having relegated "Fathers"
and "Mothers" to being nothing more than expressions. And this is the pol=

icy

from a "pro-family government"?

Let Spain be a warning to those countries and individuals contemplating
same-sex marriage legislation. There is no slippery slope when playing wi=

th

society's most important element: the family. The desire to enact such
legislation doesn't just stop at redefining marriage, but the very essence
of what is a family - a mother and a father.

But the story doesn't end here.

It appears that various Lesbian groups in Spain are opposed to the
government's latest registry plans.

Why?

It seems they don't like the term progenitor (parent).

To understand, one has to understand that many words in Spanish - and oth=

er

languages - have gender. That's right. Some words are masculine, and othe=

rs

are feminine.

The government's proposal, progenitor, is masculine. Meaning, according to
the Lesbian groups, that the term wouldn't recognize their feminine side.
They feel discriminated against. To which I say welcome aboard, so do I.

The Lesbian groups suggest using Progenitor (masculine) A, and Progenitora
(feminine) B.

At this stage, why not just call both parties progenitoras (plural), or
while we are at it, why not facilitators. After all, nowadays mothers and
fathers in Spain are nothing more than outdated, endangered expressions.
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=20
=20
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=20
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--=20
" The truth shall set you free "

.

User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 19 Mar 2006 08:13:58 PM
in article -qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/12/06 4:33 PM:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.

Just the people who have no other capacity in their lives that to
knock someone up/get knocked up, and need something to rationalize the
misery they make for them.
Paul
.
User: "Bitchin Bonney"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 19 Mar 2006 11:41:56 PM
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:13:58 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article -qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/12/06 4:33 PM:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.



Just the people who have no other capacity in their lives that to
knock someone up/get knocked up, and need something to rationalize the
misery they make for them.

Paul, you ***** hole, unlike the ***** fucking and labia lapping of the
homosexual "set" there is a purpose behind all that heterosexual sex:
How many species inhabit the planet?
By Ed Stoddard Fri Mar 17, 8:09 AM ET
JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Scientists and policy makers who want to slow
the rate at which species are being lost face a conundrum: No one
knows how many different plants and animals there are.
"Some people who study insects think there may be as many as 100
million species out there," said Jeff McNeely, the chief scientist at
the World Conservation Union.
"But if you took a poll of biologists, I think most would say there
are somewhere around 15 million," he told Reuters by telephone from
the organization's Swiss headquarters.
According to the Collins English Dictionary, a species is "a class of
plants or animals whose members have the same main characteristics and
are able to breed with each other."

Paul

.
User: "Dysperdis"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 19 Mar 2006 11:52:58 PM
"Bitchin' Bonney" <bibon@râlant.org> wrote in message
news:k2gs121nbb6h840gk6a3q2jmmr3943rqpp@4ax.com...

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:13:58 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article -qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/12/06 4:33 PM:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.



Just the people who have no other capacity in their lives that to
knock someone up/get knocked up, and need something to rationalize the
misery they make for them.



Paul, you ***** hole, unlike the ***** fucking and labia lapping of the
homosexual "set" there is a purpose behind all that heterosexual sex:

How many species inhabit the planet?

By Ed Stoddard Fri Mar 17, 8:09 AM ET

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Scientists and policy makers who want to slow
the rate at which species are being lost face a conundrum: No one
knows how many different plants and animals there are.

"Some people who study insects think there may be as many as 100
million species out there," said Jeff McNeely, the chief scientist at
the World Conservation Union.

"But if you took a poll of biologists, I think most would say there
are somewhere around 15 million," he told Reuters by telephone from
the organization's Swiss headquarters.

According to the Collins English Dictionary, a species is "a class of
plants or animals whose members have the same main characteristics and
are able to breed with each other."

Hmm, that's funny, last time I checked, I was physically capable of breeding
with other homo sapiens. Guess I must not really like girls, then?
--
I'm here, I'm Queer, Now Gimme a Beer.
t(^_^t)
-Sean, the bio-girl genderfuck lesbian
.

User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 20 Mar 2006 06:26:42 AM
in article k2gs121nbb6h840gk6a3q2jmmr3943rqpp@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/20/06 12:41 AM:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:13:58 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article -qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/12/06 4:33 PM:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.



Just the people who have no other capacity in their lives that to
knock someone up/get knocked up, and need something to rationalize the
misery they make for them.



Paul, you ***** hole, unlike the ***** fucking and labia lapping of the
homosexual "set" there is a purpose behind all that heterosexual sex:


But no reward...
Paul
.
User: "Bitchin Bonney"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 21 Mar 2006 02:00:47 AM
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:26:42 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article k2gs121nbb6h840gk6a3q2jmmr3943rqpp@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/20/06 12:41 AM:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:13:58 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article -qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/12/06 4:33 PM:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.



Just the people who have no other capacity in their lives that to
knock someone up/get knocked up, and need something to rationalize the
misery they make for them.



Paul, you ***** hole, unlike the ***** fucking and labia lapping of the
homosexual "set" there is a purpose behind all that heterosexual sex:



But no reward...

Paul, you're still an ***** hole. We're not queer, that's reward enough.
But the perpetuation of the human race has something going for it too.
I won't even get into the benefits of not experiencing the suicide
rate of homos.

Paul

.
User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 21 Mar 2006 06:35:41 AM
in article egcv121hocm8rjmcau84uh7bpbg658n5s4@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/21/06 3:00 AM:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:26:42 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article k2gs121nbb6h840gk6a3q2jmmr3943rqpp@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/20/06 12:41 AM:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:13:58 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article -qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/12/06 4:33 PM:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.



Just the people who have no other capacity in their lives that to
knock someone up/get knocked up, and need something to rationalize the
misery they make for them.



Paul, you ***** hole, unlike the ***** fucking and labia lapping of the
homosexual "set" there is a purpose behind all that heterosexual sex:



But no reward...


Paul, you're still an ***** hole. We're not queer, that's reward enough.

So...you'll be humping some broad while digging for food in the
garbage dumps of Heaven?
Paul
.
User: "Bitchin Bonney"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 21 Mar 2006 08:56:00 PM
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:35:41 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article egcv121hocm8rjmcau84uh7bpbg658n5s4@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/21/06 3:00 AM:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:26:42 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article k2gs121nbb6h840gk6a3q2jmmr3943rqpp@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/20/06 12:41 AM:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:13:58 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article -qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/12/06 4:33 PM:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.



Just the people who have no other capacity in their lives that to
knock someone up/get knocked up, and need something to rationalize the
misery they make for them.



Paul, you ***** hole, unlike the ***** fucking and labia lapping of the
homosexual "set" there is a purpose behind all that heterosexual sex:



But no reward...


Paul, you're still an ***** hole. We're not queer, that's reward enough.





So...you'll be humping some broad while digging for food in the
garbage dumps of Heaven?

Your daddy did.




Paul

.
User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother'and 'Father' 22 Mar 2006 06:42:12 AM
in article r5f122512f4b94cginnqb9nvb8g0vrrcqu@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/21/06 9:56 PM:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:35:41 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article egcv121hocm8rjmcau84uh7bpbg658n5s4@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/21/06 3:00 AM:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:26:42 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article k2gs121nbb6h840gk6a3q2jmmr3943rqpp@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/20/06 12:41 AM:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:13:58 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article -qudnUUQsLggDonZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/12/06 4:33 PM:

Maybe now the liberal loons will understand *why* people oppose the
gay agenda.



Just the people who have no other capacity in their lives that to
knock someone up/get knocked up, and need something to rationalize the
misery they make for them.



Paul, you ***** hole, unlike the ***** fucking and labia lapping of the
homosexual "set" there is a purpose behind all that heterosexual sex:



But no reward...


Paul, you're still an ***** hole. We're not queer, that's reward enough.





So...you'll be humping some broad while digging for food in the
garbage dumps of Heaven?


Your daddy did.


And your daddy resents being spurned by the most pathetic females..
Paul
.
User: "Bitchin Bonney"

Title: Re: First Gay 'Marriage' Legalized, Now Spain Bans Terms 'Mother' and 'Father' 23 Mar 2006 02:22:24 AM
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:42:12 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

in article r5f122512f4b94cginnqb9nvb8g0vrrcqu@4ax.com, Bitchin' Bonney at
bibon@r?lant.org wrote on 3/21/06 9:56 PM:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:35:41 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:

(...)

So...you'll be humping some broad while digging for food in the
garbage dumps of Heaven?


Your daddy did.





And your daddy resents being spurned by the most pathetic females..

My, what a rapier like response.
BTW -- It was your street-walking mother who he REFUSED to *****.

Paul

.









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