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First Photos -Gorillas have problem solving skills like humans |
Gorillas have problem solving skills like humans?
Gorilla Use Tools Like Early Human Ancestors
"In one instance, a female gorilla named Leah tried to wade across a
pool of water but found herself waist deep after just a few steps. She
retreated, grabbed a branch sticking out of the water, and used it to
gauge the water's depth before wading deeper..."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0930_050930_gorilla_tool.html
Saw it on PBS this morning (Oct. 16, 2005). Footage of a Gorilla wading
in water and she picked up a stick and measured the depth of water she
wanted to wade forward into. Another Gorilla captured on film, places a
stick in the ground to leverage her weight while getting water to
drink.
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20 Oct 2005 05:07:14 PM |
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So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
sharon@intelligent-design.us wrote:
Gorillas have problem solving skills like humans?
Gorilla Use Tools Like Early Human Ancestors
"In one instance, a female gorilla named Leah tried to wade across a
pool of water but found herself waist deep after just a few steps. She
retreated, grabbed a branch sticking out of the water, and used it to
gauge the water's depth before wading deeper..."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0930_050930_gorilla_tool.html
Saw it on PBS this morning (Oct. 16, 2005). Footage of a Gorilla wading
in water and she picked up a stick and measured the depth of water she
wanted to wade forward into. Another Gorilla captured on film, places a
stick in the ground to leverage her weight while getting water to
drink.
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20 Oct 2005 05:54:14 PM |
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wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
Here's a start ...get a pick and shovel.
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20 Oct 2005 06:02:34 PM |
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wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
Well, here's a start. Get a pick and shovel . . .
sharon@intelligent-design.us wrote:
Gorillas have problem solving skills like humans?
Gorilla Use Tools Like Early Human Ancestors
"In one instance, a female gorilla named Leah tried to wade across a
pool of water but found herself waist deep after just a few steps. She
retreated, grabbed a branch sticking out of the water, and used it to
gauge the water's depth before wading deeper..."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0930_050930_gorilla_tool.html
Saw it on PBS this morning (Oct. 16, 2005). Footage of a Gorilla wading
in water and she picked up a stick and measured the depth of water she
wanted to wade forward into. Another Gorilla captured on film, places a
stick in the ground to leverage her weight while getting water to
drink.
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20 Oct 2005 06:14:38 PM |
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Google is propagating posts out of sync. I thought my earlier post
didn't go through, but nonetheless . . .
sha...@intelligent-design.us wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
Well, here's a start. Get a pick and shovel . . .
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24 Oct 2005 08:26:53 PM |
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In article <1129846034.619905.206440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> writes:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
Lighten up. They have been very very VERY busy unifying
quantum physics and general relativity. One thing
at a time.
Sheesh.
-- cary
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20 Oct 2005 07:07:02 PM |
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In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
---- Paul J. Gans
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20 Oct 2005 11:35:39 PM |
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Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Tom Marlowe emailed me to say that apparently there is a problem with one of
the routers.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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21 Oct 2005 02:33:08 PM |
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Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
---- Paul J. Gans
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22 Oct 2005 11:42:25 AM |
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wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
You are demonstrating your ignorance.
We all get it.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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22 Oct 2005 02:48:41 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
You are demonstrating your ignorance.
***** YOU AND PLONK AGAIN
We all get it.
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The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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22 Oct 2005 02:59:23 PM |
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schreef:
wbarwell wrote:
wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
You are demonstrating your ignorance.
***** YOU AND PLONK AGAIN
That word "AGAIN" does nothing to improve your credibility...
We all get it.
Who's "we"? And wat "missing link" problem are you blathering about?
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23 Oct 2005 12:01:36 PM |
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wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
You are demonstrating your ignorance.
***** YOU AND PLONK AGAIN
Wow. Ignorance of biology AND ignorance of Usenet for the same price!
Hey CB- 'plonk' means you've killfiled someone. you won't have to
killfile that person again unless your target munged his netname- which
wbarwell has not done. So...either you're clueless about Usenet, or
you're claiming to kf people and not doing it...little ego or
self-esteem issue there, perhaps?
Chris
We all get it.
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The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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24 Oct 2005 05:18:46 PM |
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On 21 Oct 2005 12:33:08 -0700,
<> wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
Pretend we don't and tell us which missing link problem you refer to.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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24 Oct 2005 06:49:09 PM |
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AC wrote:
On 21 Oct 2005 12:33:08 -0700,
<> wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
Pretend we don't and tell us which missing link problem you refer to.
Yeah right...!
I thought you said their finding was already published
in the latest biology book?
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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25 Oct 2005 03:33:42 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2005 16:49:09 -0700,
<> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 21 Oct 2005 12:33:08 -0700,
<> wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
Pretend we don't and tell us which missing link problem you refer to.
Yeah right...!
I thought you said their finding was already published
in the latest biology book?
Tell me, can you even read properly? Can you show where I wrote that,
Codebreaker?
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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21 Oct 2005 09:30:32 PM |
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On 21 Oct 2005 12:33:08 -0700, wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What missing link related problems?
Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking
about.
Yeah Paul! Not knowing what he is talking about is Codebreaker's job!
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He may look like an idiot
and talk like an idiot,
but don't let that fool you.
He really is an idiot.
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24 Oct 2005 05:18:13 PM |
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On 20 Oct 2005 15:07:14 -0700,
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What was the publishing date of the last biology book you read?
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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24 Oct 2005 06:46:45 PM |
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AC wrote:
On 20 Oct 2005 15:07:14 -0700,
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What was the publishing date of the last biology book you read?
Where is it published that gorillas found the missing
link?
Please do answer
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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25 Oct 2005 03:33:08 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2005 16:46:45 -0700,
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 20 Oct 2005 15:07:14 -0700,
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
So why have not they solved the missing
link related problems yet?
What was the publishing date of the last biology book you read?
Where is it published that gorillas found the missing
link?
This question makes no sense within the context of this thread.
Please do answer
Answer with what? Your question makes no sense, doesn't deal with my
question at all or with any point in this thread. I never made that claim,
no one has made that claim, and yet you pull it out of thin air.
If you haven't read any biology books, then simply admit it. This rather
bizarre and silly attempt at redirection just makes you look either
delusional or seriously intellectually challenged.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "NashtOn" |
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16 Oct 2005 04:57:08 PM |
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wrote:
Gorillas have problem solving skills like humans?
Gorilla Use Tools Like Early Human Ancestors
"In one instance, a female gorilla named Leah tried to wade across a
pool of water but found herself waist deep after just a few steps. She
retreated, grabbed a branch sticking out of the water, and used it to
gauge the water's depth before wading deeper..."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0930_050930_gorilla_tool.html
Saw it on PBS this morning (Oct. 16, 2005). Footage of a Gorilla wading
in water and she picked up a stick and measured the depth of water she
wanted to wade forward into. Another Gorilla captured on film, places a
stick in the ground to leverage her weight while getting water to
drink.
But, of course.
Irrefutable proof that:
1. Humans come from "ancestors" that resembled gorillas.
2. The fact that another animal uses tools is in some way, shape or form
proof of common ancestry between gorillas and humans.
You people are a barrel and a half of laughs. You should read your posts
before sending them off.
Nicola
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16 Oct 2005 11:20:34 PM |
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NashtOn wrote:
sharon@intelligent-design.us wrote:
Gorillas have problem solving skills like humans?
Gorilla Use Tools Like Early Human Ancestors
"In one instance, a female gorilla named Leah tried to wade across a
pool of water but found herself waist deep after just a few steps. She
retreated, grabbed a branch sticking out of the water, and used it to
gauge the water's depth before wading deeper..."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0930_050930_gorilla_tool.html
Saw it on PBS this morning (Oct. 16, 2005). Footage of a Gorilla wading
in water and she picked up a stick and measured the depth of water she
wanted to wade forward into. Another Gorilla captured on film, places a
stick in the ground to leverage her weight while getting water to
drink.
But, of course.
Irrefutable proof that:
1. Humans come from "ancestors" that resembled gorillas.
2. The fact that another animal uses tools is in some way, shape or form
proof of common ancestry between gorillas and humans.
You people are a barrel and a half of laughs. You should read your posts
before sending them off.
Nicola
After you get over your evolution fixation, maybe you won't need so
many rubber sheets.
chris
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16 Oct 2005 07:39:49 PM |
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NashtOn wrote:
sharon@intelligent-design.us wrote:
Gorillas have problem solving skills like humans?
Gorilla Use Tools Like Early Human Ancestors
"In one instance, a female gorilla named Leah tried to wade across a
pool of water but found herself waist deep after just a few steps. She
retreated, grabbed a branch sticking out of the water, and used it to
gauge the water's depth before wading deeper..."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0930_050930_gorilla_tool.html
Saw it on PBS this morning (Oct. 16, 2005). Footage of a Gorilla wading
in water and she picked up a stick and measured the depth of water she
wanted to wade forward into. Another Gorilla captured on film, places a
stick in the ground to leverage her weight while getting water to
drink.
But, of course.
Irrefutable proof that:
1. Humans come from "ancestors" that resembled gorillas.
2. The fact that another animal uses tools is in some way, shape or form
proof of common ancestry between gorillas and humans.
You people are a barrel and a half of laughs. You should read your posts
before sending them off.
Nicola
Who said it was irrefutable proof of anything? It seems like a rather
small piece of a very large puzzle. It only speaks to a similarity, not
a specific type of similarity (i.e. ancestry) and I don't think anyone
here argues that humans share ancestry with gorillas on the basis that
gorillas sometimes use tools.
Perhaps now that you've got that out of your system, you can come up
with an explanation for the fusion of chromosome 2p and 2q evident in
human chromosome 2. Or, perhaps you can stop quibbling with John
Harshman about the chi square test long enough to come up with a
tenable explanation for why humans and other african apes should have
those particular nucleobases in common when a) the probability test
rules out chance homoplasy, and b) those nucleobases aren't at all
necessary for function.
When you start making serious contributions to *these* discussions,
then perhaps you can accuse people here of being a barrel and a half of
laughs. But so far, you seem intent on ignoring those evidences and
picking on little stuff like this instead, and as a result people laugh
at *you*.
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16 Oct 2005 08:04:52 PM |
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Frank Sullivan wrote:
NashtOn wrote:
sharon@intelligent-design.us wrote:
Gorillas have problem solving skills like humans?
Gorilla Use Tools Like Early Human Ancestors
"In one instance, a female gorilla named Leah tried to wade across a
pool of water but found herself waist deep after just a few steps. She
retreated, grabbed a branch sticking out of the water, and used it to
gauge the water's depth before wading deeper..."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0930_050930_gorilla_tool.html
Saw it on PBS this morning (Oct. 16, 2005). Footage of a Gorilla wading
in water and she picked up a stick and measured the depth of water she
wanted to wade forward into. Another Gorilla captured on film, places a
stick in the ground to leverage her weight while getting water to
drink.
But, of course.
Irrefutable proof that:
1. Humans come from "ancestors" that resembled gorillas.
2. The fact that another animal uses tools is in some way, shape or form
proof of common ancestry between gorillas and humans.
You people are a barrel and a half of laughs. You should read your posts
before sending them off.
Nicola
Who said it was irrefutable proof of anything?
Erm, it's in this ng?
It seems like a rather
small piece of a very large puzzle. It only speaks to a similarity, not
a specific type of similarity (i.e. ancestry) and I don't think anyone
here argues that humans share ancestry with gorillas on the basis that
gorillas sometimes use tools.
Right. Why post it here, then?
Perhaps now that you've got that out of your system, you can come up
with an explanation for the fusion of chromosome 2p and 2q evident in
human chromosome 2.
Maybe you can come up with the reasons behind the Cambrian explosion?
The lack of transitional fossils?
Or, perhaps you can stop quibbling with John
Harshman about the chi square test
You mean the one where I cut him up in pieces and served his a&& back to
him on a platter about the test being non-parametric?
LOL
long enough to come up with a
tenable explanation for why humans and other african apes should have
those particular nucleobases in common when a) the probability test
rules out chance homoplasy, and b) those nucleobases aren't at all
necessary for function.
I don't know and contrary to the dogmatists of science, the high priests
of fragmented knowledge, I don't play God.
When you start making serious contributions to *these* discussions,
then perhaps you can accuse people here of being a barrel and a half of
laughs. But so far, you seem intent on ignoring those evidences and
picking on little stuff like this instead, and as a result people laugh
at *you*.
Well, so far, I haven't seen anything to discuss about but insults from
zealots and ad homs.
Nicolas
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16 Oct 2005 09:44:24 PM |
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"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:UMC4f.109816$Ph4.3352807@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
snipping
Who said it was irrefutable proof of anything?
Erm, it's in this ng?
Who said that the Newsgroup provides irrefutable proof of anything?
It seems like a rather
small piece of a very large puzzle. It only speaks to a similarity, not
a specific type of similarity (i.e. ancestry) and I don't think anyone
here argues that humans share ancestry with gorillas on the basis that
gorillas sometimes use tools.
Right. Why post it here, then?
Because it's relevant. Gorillas are our cousins, not our ancestors. Our
ancestors were apes too, and it shows that cognition and use of tools is not
limited to modern humans.
Perhaps now that you've got that out of your system, you can come up
with an explanation for the fusion of chromosome 2p and 2q evident in
human chromosome 2.
Maybe you can come up with the reasons behind the Cambrian explosion?
Several have been offered. Increased O2 levels, artifact due to evolution
of hard parts providing more fossils, relatively sudden opening of new
biological niches.... Take your pick. The "explosion" took place over
several million years. See:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_Explosion
http://www.palaeos.com/Ecology/Radiations/CambrianExplosion.html
The lack of transitional fossils?
Which particular transitional fossils do you think are lacking? Or is this
one of those "there should be billions of 'em" claims?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200_1.html
Or, perhaps you can stop quibbling with John
Harshman about the chi square test
You mean the one where I cut him up in pieces and served his a&& back to
him on a platter about the test being non-parametric?
No, the one where you showed you didn't understand basic statistics...
DJT
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16 Oct 2005 11:36:13 PM |
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"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@nospam.net> wrote in
news:ceE4f.17374$q1.10392@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:UMC4f.109816$Ph4.3352807@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
snipping
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It seems like a rather
small piece of a very large puzzle. It only speaks to a similarity,
not a specific type of similarity (i.e. ancestry) and I don't think
anyone here argues that humans share ancestry with gorillas on the
basis that gorillas sometimes use tools.
Right. Why post it here, then?
Because it's relevant. Gorillas are our cousins, not our ancestors.
Our ancestors were apes too, and it shows that cognition and use of
tools is not limited to modern humans.
Sad it has to be explained.
Perhaps now that you've got that out of your system, you can come up
with an explanation for the fusion of chromosome 2p and 2q evident
in human chromosome 2.
Maybe you can come up with the reasons behind the Cambrian explosion?
Several have been offered. Increased O2 levels, artifact due to
evolution of hard parts providing more fossils, relatively sudden
opening of new biological niches.... Take your pick. The "explosion"
took place over several million years. See:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_Explosion
http://www.palaeos.com/Ecology/Radiations/CambrianExplosion.html
ooo - nice examples. must remember those for next time.
personally, i like the idea of an eyes-fuelled arms-race - bug eyed
monsters fighting in the deep :-)
jeeeeZuz!
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21 Oct 2005 11:07:04 AM |
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Jesus H Christ wrote:
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@nospam.net> wrote in
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"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:UMC4f.109816$Ph4.3352807@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
snipping
^2
It seems like a rather
small piece of a very large puzzle. It only speaks to a similarity,
not a specific type of similarity (i.e. ancestry) and I don't think
anyone here argues that humans share ancestry with gorillas on the
basis that gorillas sometimes use tools.
Right. Why post it here, then?
Because it's relevant. Gorillas are our cousins, not our ancestors.
Our ancestors were apes too, and it shows that cognition and use of
tools is not limited to modern humans.
Sad it has to be explained.
Perhaps now that you've got that out of your system, you can come up
with an explanation for the fusion of chromosome 2p and 2q evident
in human chromosome 2.
Maybe you can come up with the reasons behind the Cambrian explosion?
Several have been offered. Increased O2 levels, artifact due to
evolution of hard parts providing more fossils, relatively sudden
opening of new biological niches.... Take your pick. The "explosion"
took place over several million years. See:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_Explosion
http://www.palaeos.com/Ecology/Radiations/CambrianExplosion.html
ooo - nice examples. must remember those for next time.
personally, i like the idea of an eyes-fuelled arms-race - bug eyed
monsters fighting in the deep :-)
jeeeeZuz!
Did your meds run out again?
What kind of nic is "JC" and what kind of a signature is jeeeZuz? Have
you even graduated from middle school yet?
Nicola
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22 Oct 2005 06:28:56 AM |
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NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:Im86f.111900$Ph4.3426280@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
Jesus H Christ wrote:
Did your meds run out again?
What kind of nic is "JC" and what kind of a signature is jeeeZuz? Have
you even graduated from middle school yet?
Actually, the baby jesus noticed there's a "Richard Dawkins" wandering
around here, so the baby jesus decided to return the favour.
And it's not "jeeeZuz" - that's an exclamation, a common figure of
speech, humour, you see. Oh - I see you didn't get it. Not surprising, I
guess.
As for the "meds" .. well, as an aside, the *one* thing the baby jesus
admires about the *scientologists* is they don't take ***** from anyone.
In fact, they're rather vengeful. And come to think of it, the baby
jesus don't take insults from cunts like YOU lying down, niver'.
So if it's insults you're looking for, the baby jesus can oblige;
You're a stupid, ignorant, blind follower of an outdated set
of archaic dogmatic beliefs whose time has come to moulder gracefully.
Wait, that's not an insult, that's just stating the obvious.
HERE'S an Insult, just let the baby jesus warm up the flamethrower...
<click>
You aren't fit to suck rotten baby diarrhoea out of the baby jesus' *****
and thank him for it, let alone particpate in an intelligent discussion
on USENET.
You wanna trade epithets, go for it, the baby jesus likes a good workout.
After the baby jesus is finished with you, you're going to need to have
a deboned ham shoved up your bleeding anal cavity for a rebore.
And by the way, your mother said you always *were* a stupid little
*****, right after the baby jesus got off her.
Hope that's enough? The baby jesus has plenty *more* swearwords left to
use, if you'd like to keep it personal.
And yes, the baby jesus ALWAYS takes his meds. Otherwise he'd start
believing he was the son of god, and we don't want THAT to happen all
over again, now do we?
Nicola
Wash my feet, FUNDIE!
JEEEEEeeeeZUZ!
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18 Oct 2005 12:03:07 PM |
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Jesus H Christ wrote:
Maybe you can come up with the reasons behind the Cambrian explosion?
Several have been offered. Increased O2 levels, artifact due to
evolution of hard parts providing more fossils, relatively sudden
opening of new biological niches.... Take your pick. The "explosion"
took place over several million years. See:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_Explosion
http://www.palaeos.com/Ecology/Radiations/CambrianExplosion.html
ooo - nice examples. must remember those for next time.
personally, i like the idea of an eyes-fuelled arms-race - bug eyed
monsters fighting in the deep :-)
Me, I like emergence of bisexual reproduction.
As I recall, first sexual part found at about 425,000,000 years ago
Cordially;
Friar Broccoli
Robert Keith Elias, Quebec, Canada Email: EliasRK (of) gmail * com
Best programmer's & all purpose text editor: http://www.semware.com
--------- I consider ALL arguments in support of my views --------
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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16 Oct 2005 10:04:34 PM |
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"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@nospam.net> wrote in
news:ceE4f.17374$q1.10392@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
It seems like a rather
small piece of a very large puzzle. It only speaks to a similarity,
not a specific type of similarity (i.e. ancestry) and I don't think
anyone here argues that humans share ancestry with gorillas on the
basis that gorillas sometimes use tools.
Right. Why post it here, then?
Because it's relevant. Gorillas are our cousins, not our ancestors.
Our ancestors were apes too, and it shows that cognition and use of
tools is not limited to modern humans.
More than that, if a trait is shared by all descendants of a common
ancestor, it's at least a reasonable hypothesis that the common ancestor
possessed the trait.
Gorillas, chimps and bonobos, and humans all use tools. That capacity
was developed once by a common ancestor or independently developed
several times.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices.
-- Michel De Montaigne
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| User: "NashtOn" |
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21 Oct 2005 11:05:05 AM |
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Dana Tweedy wrote:
"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:UMC4f.109816$Ph4.3352807@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
snipping
Who said it was irrefutable proof of anything?
Erm, it's in this ng?
Who said that the Newsgroup provides irrefutable proof of anything?
It seems like a rather
small piece of a very large puzzle. It only speaks to a similarity, not
a specific type of similarity (i.e. ancestry) and I don't think anyone
here argues that humans share ancestry with gorillas on the basis that
gorillas sometimes use tools.
Right. Why post it here, then?
Because it's relevant. Gorillas are our cousins, not our ancestors. Our
ancestors were apes too, and it shows that cognition and use of tools is not
limited to modern humans.
Perhaps now that you've got that out of your system, you can come up
with an explanation for the fusion of chromosome 2p and 2q evident in
human chromosome 2.
Maybe you can come up with the reasons behind the Cambrian explosion?
Several have been offered. Increased O2 levels, artifact due to evolution
of hard parts providing more fossils, relatively sudden opening of new
biological niches.... Take your pick. The "explosion" took place over
several million years. See:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_Explosion
http://www.palaeos.com/Ecology/Radiations/CambrianExplosion.html
The lack of transitional fossils?
Which particular transitional fossils do you think are lacking? Or is this
one of those "there should be billions of 'em" claims?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200_1.html
Or, perhaps you can stop quibbling with John
Harshman about the chi square test
You mean the one where I cut him up in pieces and served his a&& back to
him on a platter about the test being non-parametric?
No, the one where you showed you didn't understand basic statistics...
Idiot. Chi square is a non-parametric test, i even provided a link to it.
Does it please you to be a freaking liar?
Nicolas
DJT
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