***** wrote:

Budikka666 wrote in message

Lies won't help you

Tell me precisely what I've said is a lie.

Everything.

Be specific.

Everything, specifically.

Provide up-to-date documentation,

This thread.

not the old texts and other sources you and Vic want to use.

Hey, I have an idea! Go ***** yourself. (Don't worry about that - wear
a brown bag).

No, he was blazing his own path to create his own religion and

empire.

And there you have it. I appreciate your honesty. In other words, he
was doing god's work,

just like he claimed,

and just like every other
religious fanatic who can't keep it in their pants and has zero respect
for others. You should know them. You see one in the mirror every
day.

He was a manipulative liar.

Sound like anyone we know, Rickhead?

He must have been really good, because he's been
dead for some timwe now,

Timwe? Ah yes, the timwe. I remimwe.

and yet in spite of the facts

Not one of which you can even name, much less document as you
hypocritically demand of others.

people like you still believe those lies.

This unsupported bunch of pathetic blather brought to you by the
arrogant ***** who *demands* documentation from others when they do
nothing more than highlight what a bunch of transparent lies and
unsupported juvenile trash he's spouting! Go figure!

There is no god and there was no Jesus. Christianity has been evil

in

its intolerance and divisiveness since its inception, and it is
entirely unsurprising that despots like Hitler have readily been

able

to adapt it to their own aims. This morphing of Christianity has

never

stopped, nor will it, because there is no such thing as Christianity
when you get to the bottom line. All there is, is primitive

stupidity

enshrined in ancient texts, perverted even beyond the original lies
into what people pretend is Christianity (or Judaisn, or Islam) for
their own selfish purposes. Those are the facts. Deal with them.

I can deal with facts. You choose not to.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Have you considered stand-up comedy as a
profession? Don't.

BTW, any time you actually want to present facts instead of rambling,
unsupported, juvenile blather in a feeble attempt to do nothing more
than gainsay what I've written, please feel free to do so.

And I guess there's no point in pointing out to you **THE FACT** that
in the text of my previous message which you just quoted back, I said
precisely the same thing that you said above.

But I said it first.
Let me draw your clearly limited attention span to it:

I said "it is entirely unsurprising that despots like Hitler have
readily been able to adapt [Christanity] to their own aims." (and the
detail follows).

You said, "he was blazing his own path to create his own religion and
empire".

Question: "Why don't you actually read what's written and deal with it
instead of making up your own blind, gullible version and blathering
mindless *****?"

Oh, wait, you're a believer! Believers have been making up their own
version of reality for millenia. It's traditional. You can't help
yourself. I understand. And I forgive you for you know not what you
do. Nor care, apparently.

Vic Sagerquist wrote in message ...

On 02 Apr 2005, Rick dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Vic Sagerquist wrote in message ...

On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On 2 Apr 2005 03:39:48 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/29/nazi.ashes.ap/index.html
reveals the recent discovery at Sachsenhausen concentration camp
in eastern germany of a five-foot depth of ashes of victims of the
holocaust. The "final solution" was of course the brain child of
that devout Catholic, Adolf Hitler:

He couldn't be a devout Catholic, bud. His entire scheme of war
and the final solution stood in direct opposition to all catholic
teachings.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

The only thing you understand, duke, is how to twist facts to make
them conform to your out-dated pre-historic ***** superstition.
Here's one of a long line of AH quotes.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was
greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a
Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how
the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive
out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was
his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand
years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever
before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood
upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be
cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and
justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we
are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a
Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my
people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end
of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their
queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be
no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did
not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by
whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed."

[Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922, published in "My New
Order", quoted in Freethought Today April 1990]

Hitler was a manipulater and a liar. Big Surprise!!!

You left out the rest of the story...
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/sn-hitler.html
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of
Christianity ... The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was
introduced into the world by Christianity.
I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way
they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just
keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion
that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This
filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness
in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort
of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews."

- Rick

No, I did not. That quote is a separate matter,

The first quote is just a plain lie. The evidence is overwhelming. He
wanted to use Christianity for his own purpose and ultimately destroy
it.

and was delivered 13 years after the prior one.

So? And your point is? The truth eventually came out.

Read the cites in my other posts to see the whole story and join the
real reality based community. Or you could continue to hold to the
usual atheist mythology. The choice is yours. And the truth about
Hitler can be yours if you look for it.

On 3 Apr 2005 11:09:37 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>

He couldn't be a devout Catholic

He was indeed. And he was never excommunicated by your pope.

No, when he turned on God, he threw it all away.

Which is more likely?

He destroyed his Christianity.

Yep - sixteen documented lies, I destroyed the first 8
and slept during the next > 8.

And how could Protestants have conducted the crusades, you clueless
moron, when Protestantism hadn't even been invented?

Now bud - grab hold of yourself.

The witch burnings were protest_ant actions.

He couldn't be a devout Catholic

He was indeed. And he was never excommunicated by your pope.

No, when he turned on God, he threw it all away.

Which is more likely?

He destroyed his Christianity.

That you were actually there and therefore know
all this first hand, or that you're simply lying?

The world knows what you whimper about not knowing, bud.

Let me think...Hmm.
Sixteen documented lies which you could have tried to rebut but instead
ran away from like a limp Peter at the passion tends to suggest that
now you are...LYING. Hmm. *That* was a stretch.

Yep - sixteen documented lies, I destroyed the first 8 and slept during the next
8.

And how could Protestants have conducted the crusades, you clueless
moron, when Protestantism hadn't even been invented?

Now bud - grab hold of yourself. The witch burnings were protest_ant actions.