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Florida Baptist Witless: A New Breed of Atheist - the Anti-Theist |
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
Published August 16, 2007
Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another, but the
atheists we've been hearing the most from lately-chiefly Richard
Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris-are a new breed. Unlike
the old-school humanists, the new atheists-or anti-theists, as some of
them prefer to be called-don't want to just deny the existence of God,
they want to wipe religion off the map.
Christopher Hitchens follows this pattern with his new book,
belligerently titled God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons
Everything. In his first chapter, called "Putting It Mildly," Hitchens
writes, "I will continue to [respect my friends' religious traditions]
without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition-which is that
they in turn leave me alone." But this is something that religion is
ultimately incapable of doing. "People of faith," Hitchens continues,
"are in their different ways planning your and my destruction, and the
destruction of all...hard-won human attainments...Religion poisons
everything."
The way Hitchens lumps all religions and all believers into one
category here is typical of his tone throughout the book, and typical
of anti-theists in general. They don't argue; they yell. They've
decided that, simply because they dislike religion, there is no reason
to respect it. In their minds, it's stupid, dangerous, and that's all
that needs to be said.
That's why I believe the anti-theist movement, as hot as it is right
now with books like Hitchens's topping the bestseller lists, is doomed
to fail. The moment you take it seriously and start to study it, it
falls apart. There's no substance, just anger and a lot of hot air.
Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don't
like, they're ill-equipped to deal with them rationally.
The old-guard secular humanists are questioning this new trend, and
rightly so. Most traditional atheists simply had their own belief
system, and if we wanted our belief system that was okay. The new
breed reflects the death of truth. They're like the communists who
feared religion more than anything else because it was a competing
truth claim. The Star of David and the cross have been scandalous to
every totalitarian leader.
Many traditional atheists and humanists seem to recognize the parallel
and feel uncomfortable about it. As Gary Wolf writes in Wired, "The
New Atheists have castigated fundamentalism and branded even the
mildest religious liberals as enablers of a vengeful mob. Everybody
who doesn't join them is an ally of the Taliban. Even those of us who
sympathize intellectually," he writes, "don't want the New Atheists to
succeed."
When you think about it this way, you have to wonder if the anti-
theists, in their heart of hearts, are a little uncomfortable with
their own beliefs. After all, if you really believe that truth will
win out-and to Hitchens and company, their idea of truth is so obvious
that it cannot fail to win-you can let other people make their own
claims and live by their own beliefs without feeling the need to
destroy everything they stand for.
Because Hitchens and the others cannot do this, their polemics are
destined to lead not to the end of religion, but to the collapse of
their own movement. Not before, of course, they have gotten very rich.
It's not irrelevant to the debate that Dawkins, Hitchens, and Sam
Harris sold one million copies of their angry diatribes last year. At
two dollars a book for royalties, that's not bad.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Florida Baptist Witless: A New Breed of Atheist - the Anti-Theist |
15 Aug 2007 12:59:37 PM |
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"Hoof-Hearted" <Hooof.hearted@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1187193269.136150.234560@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
Published August 16, 2007
(snip)
The way Hitchens lumps all religions and all believers into one
category here is typical of his tone throughout the book, and typical
of anti-theists in general. They don't argue; they yell. They've
decided that, simply because they dislike religion, there is no reason
to respect it. In their minds, it's stupid, dangerous, and that's all
that needs to be said.
We YELL! Gasp! Oh, the horror! Historically theists have burned atheists
alive or stoned them to death, but they never went so far as to actually
YELL at us!
There are so many lies per second in this article that its pointless to
address it.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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16 Aug 2007 08:56:09 AM |
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That's why I believe the anti-theist movement, as hot as it is right
now with books like Hitchens's topping the bestseller lists, is doomed
to fail. The moment you take it seriously and start to study it, it
falls apart. There's no substance, just anger and a lot of hot air.
Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don't
like, they're ill-equipped to deal with them rationally.
Unlike the Bible, which, being the "revealed word of God" has absolutely
NO hot air or anger, and is just chock full of "substance".
Moreover, religionists, it must be said, would NEVER simply ignore
evidence and arguments they don't like because they are superbly
equipped to deal with them rationally.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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15 Aug 2007 11:20:28 AM |
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Hoof-Hearted <Hooof.hearted@googlemail.com> wrote in
news:1187193269.136150.234560@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
Published August 16, 2007
Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another,
but the atheists we've been hearing the most from lately-chiefly
Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris-are a new
breed. Unlike the old-school humanists, the new atheists-or
anti-theists, as some of them prefer to be called-don't want to
just deny the existence of God, they want to wipe religion off
the map.
Anybody who thinks that's new hasn't been paying attention.
--
"If he does that ***** again I'm going to tie his ***** hairs together
and kick him in the shin."
Terry Austin
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| User: "Ash" |
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18 Aug 2007 11:03:07 AM |
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Hoof-Hearted wrote:
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
snip
It would be nice if just one of these dishonest bastards read the damn
books they attack
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| User: "TheLetterK" |
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15 Aug 2007 01:42:05 PM |
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Hoof-Hearted wrote:
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
Published August 16, 2007
Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another, but the
atheists we've been hearing the most from lately-chiefly Richard
Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris-are a new breed. Unlike
the old-school humanists, the new atheists-or anti-theists, as some of
them prefer to be called-don't want to just deny the existence of God,
they want to wipe religion off the map.
Christopher Hitchens follows this pattern with his new book,
belligerently titled God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons
Everything. In his first chapter, called "Putting It Mildly," Hitchens
writes, "I will continue to [respect my friends' religious traditions]
without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition-which is that
they in turn leave me alone." But this is something that religion is
ultimately incapable of doing. "People of faith," Hitchens continues,
"are in their different ways planning your and my destruction, and the
destruction of all...hard-won human attainments...Religion poisons
everything."
Whenever I see a quote taken out of context, my respect for the source
decreases. If they can't make their point without chopping down quotes
from the book to say what they want, then how could anyone consider the
criticisms valid?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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15 Aug 2007 05:25:49 PM |
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TheLetterK wrote:
Hoof-Hearted wrote:
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
Published August 16, 2007
Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another, but the
atheists we've been hearing the most from lately-chiefly Richard
Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris-are a new breed. Unlike
the old-school humanists, the new atheists-or anti-theists, as some of
them prefer to be called-don't want to just deny the existence of God,
they want to wipe religion off the map.
Christopher Hitchens follows this pattern with his new book,
belligerently titled God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons
Everything. In his first chapter, called "Putting It Mildly," Hitchens
writes, "I will continue to [respect my friends' religious traditions]
without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition-which is that
they in turn leave me alone." But this is something that religion is
ultimately incapable of doing. "People of faith," Hitchens continues,
"are in their different ways planning your and my destruction, and the
destruction of all...hard-won human attainments...Religion poisons
everything."
Whenever I see a quote taken out of context, my respect for the source
decreases. If they can't make their point without chopping down quotes
from the book to say what they want, then how could anyone consider the
criticisms valid?
The same can be said about the bible, ya know....
--
Uncle Vic
#2011
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| User: "TheLetterK" |
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15 Aug 2007 07:07:30 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
TheLetterK wrote:
Hoof-Hearted wrote:
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
Published August 16, 2007
Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another, but the
atheists we've been hearing the most from lately-chiefly Richard
Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris-are a new breed. Unlike
the old-school humanists, the new atheists-or anti-theists, as some of
them prefer to be called-don't want to just deny the existence of God,
they want to wipe religion off the map.
Christopher Hitchens follows this pattern with his new book,
belligerently titled God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons
Everything. In his first chapter, called "Putting It Mildly," Hitchens
writes, "I will continue to [respect my friends' religious traditions]
without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition-which is that
they in turn leave me alone." But this is something that religion is
ultimately incapable of doing. "People of faith," Hitchens continues,
"are in their different ways planning your and my destruction, and the
destruction of all...hard-won human attainments...Religion poisons
everything."
Whenever I see a quote taken out of context, my respect for the source
decreases. If they can't make their point without chopping down quotes
from the book to say what they want, then how could anyone consider
the criticisms valid?
The same can be said about the bible, ya know....
Did you have a point?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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15 Aug 2007 12:14:33 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:54:29 +0000, Hoof-Hearted wrote:
By CHARLES COLSON
The Criminal.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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15 Aug 2007 11:11:54 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:54:29 -0000, Hoof-Hearted
<Hooof.hearted@googlemail.com> wrote:
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
Published August 16, 2007
Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another, but the
atheists we've been hearing the most from lately-chiefly Richard
Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris-are a new breed. Unlike
the old-school humanists, the new atheists-or anti-theists, as some of
them prefer to be called-don't want to just deny the existence of God,
they want to wipe religion off the map.
Colson is lying through his teeth yet again.
What paranoid Christians pretend they don't know, is that it is a
reaction to their own behaviour towards us.
If they could only live and let live there would be no reaction.
Christopher Hitchens follows this pattern with his new book,
belligerently titled God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons
Everything. In his first chapter, called "Putting It Mildly," Hitchens
writes, "I will continue to [respect my friends' religious traditions]
without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition-which is that
they in turn leave me alone." But this is something that religion is
ultimately incapable of doing. "People of faith," Hitchens continues,
"are in their different ways planning your and my destruction, and the
destruction of all...hard-won human attainments...Religion poisons
everything."
He's describing people like Colson.
Who show no honesty when describing books like this.
The way Hitchens lumps all religions and all believers into one
category here is typical of his tone throughout the book, and typical
of anti-theists in general.
Another of Colson's dishonest fabrications.
They don't argue; they yell. They've
And Colson lies.
decided that, simply because they dislike religion, there is no reason
More of Colson's lies.
to respect it. In their minds, it's stupid, dangerous, and that's all
that needs to be said.
It produces stupid, dangerous people like Colson.
That's why I believe the anti-theist movement, as hot as it is right
Another Colson lie.
now with books like Hitchens's topping the bestseller lists, is doomed
to fail. The moment you take it seriously and start to study it, it
falls apart.
Lie.
There's no substance, just anger and a lot of hot air.
Lie.
Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don't
Lie.
like, they're ill-equipped to deal with them rationally.
It's theists who are ill-quipped to deal with rationality. After all,
they're the ones whop believe in talking snakes, virgin births etc and
lie about those who don't.
The old-guard secular humanists are questioning this new trend, and
Lie.
rightly so. Most traditional atheists simply had their own belief
system,
The liar knows that atheism isn't a belief system, let alone a belief.
and if we wanted our belief system that was okay. The new
As long as you assholes keep it to yourself.
breed reflects the death of truth.
Lie.
They're like the communists who
feared religion more than anything else because it was a competing
truth claim.
Someone remind the liar that in Central America communists are mostly
Catholic.
And that the reason the soviets disliked religion was that it had been
a toll before the revolution to keep the serfs compliant. Afterwards
it was treated just like any other of the Tsarist tools.
The Star of David and the cross have been scandalous to
every totalitarian leader.
Apart from Christian and Jewish totalitarian leaders.
Many traditional atheists and humanists seem to recognize the parallel
and feel uncomfortable about it.
Another straw man.
As Gary Wolf writes in Wired, "The
New Atheists have castigated fundamentalism and branded even the
mildest religious liberals as enablers of a vengeful mob. Everybody
Complete context?
who doesn't join them is an ally of the Taliban. Even those of us who
sympathize intellectually," he writes, "don't want the New Atheists to
succeed."
Again, it's a reaction to the bigotry and religious imposition by
fundamentalists like Colson.
When you think about it this way, you have to wonder if the anti-
theists, in their heart of hearts, are a little uncomfortable with
their own beliefs.
The liar amateur-psychologises his own lies.
All because he can't understand that we no longer put up with
religious imposition, bigotry, discrimination etc.
After all, if you really believe that truth will
win out-and to Hitchens and company, their idea of truth is so obvious
that it cannot fail to win-you can let other people make their own
claims and live by their own beliefs without feeling the need to
destroy everything they stand for.
Meaningless *****.
Because Hitchens and the others cannot do this, their polemics are
destined to lead not to the end of religion, but to the collapse of
their own movement. Not before, of course, they have gotten very rich.
It's not irrelevant to the debate that Dawkins, Hitchens, and Sam
Harris sold one million copies of their angry diatribes last year. At
two dollars a book for royalties, that's not bad.
Lies.
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| User: "" |
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15 Aug 2007 05:37:32 PM |
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On Aug 15, 12:11 pm, Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:54:29 -0000, Hoof-Hearted
<Hooof.hear...@googlemail.com> wrote:
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/7695.article
Point of View
A new breed of atheist: The anti-theist
By CHARLES COLSON
Breakpoint
Published August 16, 2007
Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another, but the
atheists we've been hearing the most from lately-chiefly Richard
Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris-are a new breed. Unlike
the old-school humanists, the new atheists-or anti-theists, as some of
them prefer to be called-don't want to just deny the existence of God,
they want to wipe religion off the map.
Colson is lying through his teeth yet again.
What paranoid Christians pretend they don't know, is that it is a
reaction to their own behaviour towards us.
I was going to say this, but Mr. Lee appears to have beaten me to it.
<g>
-PF, Atl.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Hatter" |
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15 Aug 2007 11:58:28 AM |
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On Aug 15, 12:11 pm, Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
After all, if you really believe that truth will
win out-and to Hitchens and company, their idea of truth is so obvious
that it cannot fail to win-you can let other people make their own
claims and live by their own beliefs without feeling the need to
destroy everything they stand for.
Meaningless *****.
First of all: Chuck "Convicted Criminal" Colson bitching about
morality and making money off of book deals is painfully humorous.
Yes truth can win out in the end....but he fails to realize, that
since the atheist stance is: we die....end; the concept of waiting
around till religion withers away of its own accord, is not really a
great solution to a group thats been waiting for that to happen since
the Enlightenment.
Hatter
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