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Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
Representative Mark Foley of Florida may soon be wishing he wasn't so
aggressive
in passing legislation against sex offenders. :-D
The Republican up for reelection resigned today after various groups
revealed
a number of sexually charged messages allegedly sent by Foley to young boys.
"I am deeply sorry and I apologize for letting down my family and the
people of Florida
I have had the privilege to represent," Foley said in a statement.
The politician did not elaborate on what he was apologizing for... or
had done wrong. :-\
---> http://www.theregister.com/2006/09/30/foley_resigns/
* Another lying Republican Politician bites the dust*
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<big><big>Thus Spake:  *G* *O* *D* *S*   *C*
*R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*</big></big> 
 
 
Representative Mark Foley of Florida may soon be wishing he wasn't
so aggressive 
in passing legislation against sex offenders.  :-D 
 
The Republican up for reelection resigned today after various groups
revealed 
a number of sexually charged messages allegedly sent by Foley to young
boys. 
 
"I am deeply sorry and I apologize for letting down my family and the
people of Florida 
I have had the privilege to represent," Foley said in a statement. 
 
The politician did not elaborate on what he was apologizing for...  or
had done wrong. :-\ 
 
           --->  <big><big>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.theregister.com/2006/09/30/foley_resigns/">http://www.theregister.com/2006/09/30/foley_resigns/</a></big></big> 
 
 
            <big>* Another lying Republican
Politician bites the dust* 
</big> 
 
 
 
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User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	03 Oct 2006 07:03:02 AM

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:37:25 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <8253i21krj69kvi9n4b1lbjm77dcdkmuvi@4ax.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:40:27 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

I believe that the law against statutory rape stops at age 16 or so in most
states.

Your belief is not a legal citation.

I'm not trying to write law.

Let me re-phrase: that you believe those laws exist does not mean they
exist.

It might be 15, and it might be 17. That makes illicit sex with the
partner of one's choice legal - not morally right, but legal.

So which states allow 15 or 16? The information is available on the
'net.

Then go look it up.

Why? You claimed they exist, haven't you looked yet?

And it is legal to engage in interstate actions to further that sex? I
am guessing that Foley has committed federal offenses and will go to
prison.

Interstate sex?

Mann Act and many that followed. Including some sponsored by Foley
IIANM. He did not, AFAIK, violate the Mann Act, but I suspect others
were violated and he ends up in prison.

You suspect????????

Yes. When I don't know something or predict the future I make that
clear. IANAL and I am certainly not in the current Justice Dept, so I
have no idea what they will do. Perhaps Gonzalez thinks it is wrong to
prosecute a Republican congressman during war.
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	03 Oct 2006 04:38:02 PM

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:03:02 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

I believe that the law against statutory rape stops at age 16 or so in most
states. Your belief is not a legal citation.

I'm not trying to write law.

Let me re-phrase: that you believe those laws exist does not mean they
exist.

So you don't know any better than I what the law says.

It might be 15, and it might be 17. That makes illicit sex with the
partner of one's choice legal - not morally right, but legal.

So which states allow 15 or 16? The information is available on the
'net.

Then go look it up.

Why? You claimed they exist, haven't you looked yet?

Nope. It will all come out in time.

Mann Act and many that followed. Including some sponsored by Foley
IIANM. He did not, AFAIK, violate the Mann Act, but I suspect others
were violated and he ends up in prison.

You suspect????????

Yes. When I don't know something or predict the future I make that
clear.

Then why don't you oppose all those wild stories going around without knowing
the facts?

IANAL and I am certainly not in the current Justice Dept, so I
have no idea what they will do. Perhaps Gonzalez thinks it is wrong to
prosecute a Republican congressman during war.

There, you see how easy you just lost your credibility.
duke, American-American
*****
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Pope Paul VI
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User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	01 Oct 2006 09:45:02 PM

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 08:38:14 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <q4hvh2tm1jkfn1sanuqarqkvf3i2qt6kg3@4ax.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 12:42:53 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 07:21:52 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <elcvh2lbvaucc9k6edh2q53nunu3p5ar13@4ax.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:28:36 GMT, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com>
wrote:

He'll have to fight off bernie from Mass. and the former gov of NJ.

You just don't get it, do you?
No surprise.

Oh, I get it - he wrote emails. Bernie and the NJ gov are queers.

That you approve of sexual advances to children says everything we
need to know about your morality.

Children? These were emails to congressional pages, dummy.

So you approve of adults making sexual advances to 16 years olds.
Sorry, but that is still children. And certainly the laws that Foley
promoted said they were children.
--
Matt Silberstein
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	02 Oct 2006 05:32:44 AM

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:45:02 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Children? These were emails to congressional pages, dummy.

So you approve of adults making sexual advances to 16 years olds.

16 is the age at which many states classify one as an adult able to make up
one's own mind and held accountable for one's own actions.
Now it might be 15 or 17, but the age of the pages is right around that point of
adulthood.
duke, American-American
*****
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Pope Paul VI
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User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	02 Oct 2006 09:38:42 AM

In article <nfq1i2l2rol9kb7sdjjlom089tc6rmcovm@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:45:02 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Children? These were emails to congressional pages, dummy.

So you approve of adults making sexual advances to 16 years olds.

point of

adulthood.

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	02 Oct 2006 05:44:15 PM

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.
duke, American-American
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User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	03 Oct 2006 05:34:50 AM

In article <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

� There are exceptions to be sure, but Democrats seem to be more
interested in girls since Wild Bill Clinton set the standard.
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	03 Oct 2006 05:02:16 PM

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:34:50 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

In article <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

� There are exceptions to be sure, but Democrats seem to be more
interested in girls since Wild Bill Clinton set the standard.

Scandal: Right after Mark Foley was revealed to have had inappropriate
e-mail conversations with a 16-year-old page, he resigned and checked
into rehab. Now, what did Democrats know, and when did they know it?
In 1983, then-Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds of Massachusetts was caught
in a similar situation. In his case, Studds had sex with a male teenage
page -- something Foley hasn't been charged with.
Did Studds express contrition? Resign? Quite the contrary. He rejected
Congress' censure of him and continued to represent his district until
his retirement in 1996.
In 1989, Rep. Barney Frank (news, bio, voting record), also of
Massachusetts, admitted he'd lived with Steve Gobie, a male prostitute
who ran a gay sex-for-hire ring out of Frank's apartment. Frank, it was
later discovered, used his position to fix 33 parking tickets for
Gobie.
What happened to Frank? The House voted 408-18 to reprimand him -- a
slap on the wrist. Today he's an honored Democratic member of Congress,
much in demand as a speaker and "conscience of the party."
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	03 Oct 2006 09:43:21 PM

In article <nen5i2phjpeg1pmb566gfjteidvi7qpehq@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:34:50 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

In article <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

� There are exceptions to be sure, but Democrats seem to be more
interested in girls since Wild Bill Clinton set the standard.

� Monica apparently knew pretty early.

In 1983, then-Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds of Massachusetts was caught
in a similar situation. In his case, Studds had sex with a male teenage
page -- something Foley hasn't been charged with.

Did Studds express contrition? Resign? Quite the contrary. He rejected
Congress' censure of him and continued to represent his district until
his retirement in 1996.

In 1989, Rep. Barney Frank (news, bio, voting record), also of
Massachusetts, admitted he'd lived with Steve Gobie, a male prostitute
who ran a gay sex-for-hire ring out of Frank's apartment. Frank, it was
later discovered, used his position to fix 33 parking tickets for
Gobie.

What happened to Frank? The House voted 408-18 to reprimand him -- a
slap on the wrist. Today he's an honored Democratic member of Congress,
much in demand as a speaker and "conscience of the party."

� So why did Foley resign?
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	04 Oct 2006 04:04:34 PM

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:43:21 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

In article <nen5i2phjpeg1pmb566gfjteidvi7qpehq@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:34:50 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

In article <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

� There are exceptions to be sure, but Democrats seem to be more
interested in girls since Wild Bill Clinton set the standard.

� Monica apparently knew pretty early.

� So why did Foley resign?

Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds of Massachusetts was caught
in a similar situation. In his case, Studds had sex with a male teenage
page -- something Foley hasn't been charged with.
Did Studds express contrition? Resign? Quite the contrary. He rejected
Congress' censure of him and continued to represent his district until
his retirement in 1996.
Why don't the 'rats care when it was one of theirs?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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User: "Mike Dundee"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	04 Oct 2006 04:25:50 PM

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:cc88i2ps642793nga3hl1hocaehh1npo9j@4ax.com...

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:43:21 -0700,

(.R L Measures) wrote:

In article <nen5i2phjpeg1pmb566gfjteidvi7qpehq@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:34:50 -0700,

(.R L Measures) wrote:

In article <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(.R L Measures)
wrote:

. Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

. There are exceptions to be sure, but Democrats seem to be more
interested in girls since Wild Bill Clinton set the standard.

. Monica apparently knew pretty early.

. So why did Foley resign?

Why didn't you answer his question? WHY DID FOLEY RESIGN?
.

User: "Kurt Ullman"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	04 Oct 2006 04:16:26 PM

In article <cc88i2ps642793nga3hl1hocaehh1npo9j@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

Any ideas as to age? Might have been legal. Although it looks like at
one time, MA had a different age of consent for male/male sex.
Still, it would have been a sexual harassment thing, since there
is an obvious power difference. Doesn't let Foley off the hook, but you
gotta wonder why Newt and others were so eager to fall on their swords.
.

User: "HTML Gods Creator! HTML"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	04 Oct 2006 10:04:17 PM

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In article <cc88i2ps642793nga3hl1hocaehh1npo9j@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
Newt and others... created legions of "Gay Bashers" in order
to blind their constituents to their $-greed-$ 8-)
SOo... It just came back to roost in the now "Un-hallowed Congress",
instead of the now "Un-Hallowed Oval Office"
GOD SAVE THE NEW U.S. EMPEROR!
8-) ( He promised to protect
you!) 8-)

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<pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cc88i2ps642793nga3hl1hocaehh1npo9j@4ax.com"><cc88i2ps642793nga3hl1hocaehh1npo9j@4ax.com></a>,
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<pre wrap="">Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds of Massachusetts was caught
in a similar situation. In his case, Studds had sex with a male teenage
page -- something Foley hasn't been charged with.
Did Studds express contrition? Resign? Quite the contrary. He rejected
Congress' censure of him and continued to represent his district until
his retirement in 1996.

</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""> Any ideas as to age? Might have been legal. Although it looks like at
one time, MA had a different age of consent for male/male sex.
Still, it would have been a sexual harassment thing, since there
is an obvious power difference. Doesn't let Foley off the hook, but you
gotta wonder why Newt and others were so eager to fall on their swords.
</pre>
</blockquote>
 
<big>Thus Spake:  *G* *O* *D* *S*   *C* *R*
*E* *A* *T* *O* *R* 
</big> 
 
 
<pre wrap=""><big> <big>Newt and others...</big> created legions of "Gay Bashers" in order
to blind their constituents to their $-greed-$ </big> 8-) 
<big> SOo... It just came back to roost in the now "Un-hallowed Congress",
  instead of the now "Un-Hallowed Oval Office"
</big>
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GOD   SAVE  
THE   NEW   U.S.   
EMPEROR!   
                               8-)       
( He   promised  to  protect you!)  8-) 
 
 
            
 
 
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User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	05 Oct 2006 06:41:55 AM

In article <cc88i2ps642793nga3hl1hocaehh1npo9j@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:43:21 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

In article <nen5i2phjpeg1pmb566gfjteidvi7qpehq@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:34:50 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

In article <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

� There are exceptions to be sure, but Democrats seem to be more
interested in girls since Wild Bill Clinton set the standard.

� Monica apparently knew pretty early.

� So why did Foley resign?

Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds of Massachusetts was caught
in a similar situation. In his case, Studds had sex with a male teenage
page -- something Foley hasn't been charged with.

� In a carefully worded public statement, Foley's attorney stressed that
Foley was not a pedophile. In California, pedophile means sexual contact
with a person under the age of 13.

Did Studds express contrition?

� With a name like that, virtually nobody would buy it, Duke.
.

User: "Kurt Ullman"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	05 Oct 2006 07:11:09 AM

In article <r-0510060441550001@192.168.1.102>,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� In a carefully worded public statement, Foley's attorney stressed that
Foley was not a pedophile. In California, pedophile means sexual contact
with a person under the age of 13.

Interesting, but irrelevant. The appropriate law would probably be FL,
DC, wherever Foley lived while Congress was in session, or wherever the
recipient(s) of the messages lived.
.

User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	05 Oct 2006 10:49:48 AM

In article
<kurtullman-BC9BC7.08110805102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0510060441550001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

� In a carefully worded public statement, Foley's attorney stressed that
Foley was not a pedophile. In California, pedophile means sexual contact
with a person under the age of 13.

Interesting, but irrelevant.

� Not quite since such laws are similar in various states.

The appropriate law would probably be FL,
DC, wherever Foley lived while Congress was in session, or wherever the
recipient(s) of the messages lived.

� The age of consent in FL used to be 13. The current age of consent in
D.C. is 16, so Foley is definitely not a pedophile in either venue.
.

User: "Kurt Ullman"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	05 Oct 2006 11:34:46 AM

In article <r-0510060849480001@192.168.1.102>,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

In article
<kurtullman-BC9BC7.08110805102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0510060441550001@192.168.1.102>,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� In a carefully worded public statement, Foley's attorney stressed that
Foley was not a pedophile. In California, pedophile means sexual contact
with a person under the age of 13.

Interesting, but irrelevant.

� Not quite since such laws are similar in various states.

Which is why the CA law is irrelevant.

The appropriate law would probably be FL,
DC, wherever Foley lived while Congress was in session, or wherever the
recipient(s) of the messages lived.

� The age of consent in FL used to be 13. The current age of consent in
D.C. is 16, so Foley is definitely not a pedophile in either venue.

FL is currently 18 for the age of consent. this. Is there
.

User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	06 Oct 2006 04:50:02 AM

In article
<kurtullman-78D79E.12344505102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0510060849480001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

In article
<kurtullman-BC9BC7.08110805102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0510060441550001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

� In a carefully worded public statement, Foley's attorney

stressed that

Foley was not a pedophile. In California, pedophile means sexual

contact

with a person under the age of 13.

Interesting, but irrelevant.

� Not quite since such laws are similar in various states.

Which is why the CA law is irrelevant.

The appropriate law would probably be FL,
DC, wherever Foley lived while Congress was in session, or wherever the
recipient(s) of the messages lived.

� The age of consent in FL used to be 13. The current age of consent in
D.C. is 16, so Foley is definitely not a pedophile in either venue.

FL is currently 18 for the age of consent. this. Is there

� Thanks, Kurt. What is Florida's dividing line between pedophilia and
ephebophilia?
.

User: "Kurt Ullman"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	06 Oct 2006 07:31:54 AM

In article <r-0610060250020001@192.168.1.102>,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

phebophilia

I am not really clear on the difference myself in this context.
Although I would suppose it would be age of consent no matter what the
terminology.
.

User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	06 Oct 2006 01:12:16 PM

In article
<kurtullman-A69025.08315306102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0610060250020001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

ephebophilia

I am not really clear on the difference myself in this context.
Although I would suppose it would be age of consent no matter what the
terminology.

� Ephebophilia (Greek: teenager + love) pretty much means love of sex
with post pubesent youths, Here in the Land of the Fruits and Nuts (CA)
I think it means a person over 18 having sex with someone between the age
of 13 and 17.
.

User: "Kurt Ullman"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	06 Oct 2006 11:04:40 PM

In article <r-0610061112160001@192.168.1.102>,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

In article
<kurtullman-A69025.08315306102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0610060250020001@192.168.1.102>,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

ephebophilia

I am not really clear on the difference myself in this context.
Although I would suppose it would be age of consent no matter what the
terminology.

IIRC it would be illegal. I think the age of sexual consent
is 18 in CA. Anyone having sex with somebody under the age of consent is
a pedophile pretty much no what else you call it. Of course I am not a
copy or an attorney nor do I play one on TV and it has been ages since I
stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so I may be wrong.
.

User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	07 Oct 2006 06:02:51 AM

In article
<kurtullman-3142AD.00043907102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0610061112160001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

In article
<kurtullman-A69025.08315306102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0610060250020001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

ephebophilia

I am not really clear on the difference myself in this context.
Although I would suppose it would be age of consent no matter what the
terminology.

IIRC it would be illegal. I think the age of sexual consent
is 18 in CA. Anyone having sex with somebody under the age of consent is
a pedophile pretty much no what else you call it.

� Agreed, but in the legal sense, there are two kinds of adults who have
sex with children, pedophiles for adults who have sex with pre-pubescent
children and ephebophiles for adults who have sex with post-pubescent
children. This is why the Roman church can claim that a priest in
California who is into 13-yr old boys is not a pedophile.

...

User: "Newk Indofman"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	07 Oct 2006 12:55:03 PM

"�R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-0710060402510001@192.168.1.102...

In article
<kurtullman-3142AD.00043907102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0610061112160001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

In article
<kurtullman-A69025.08315306102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0610060250020001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

ephebophilia

I am not really clear on the difference myself in this context.
Although I would suppose it would be age of consent no matter what
the
terminology.

� Ephebophilia (Greek: teenager + love) pretty much means love of sex
with post pubesent youths, Here in the Land of the Fruits and Nuts
(CA)
I think it means a person over 18 having sex with someone between the
age
of 13 and 17.

IIRC it would be illegal. I think the age of sexual consent
is 18 in CA. Anyone having sex with somebody under the age of consent is
a pedophile pretty much no what else you call it.

"Ephebophile" and "pedophile" are legal terms? Since when? These terms do
not appear in the California code.
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
SECTION 261-269
261.5. (a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual
intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the
perpetrator, if the person is a minor.
For the purposes of this section, a "minor" is a person
under the age of 18 years and an "adult" is a person
who is at least 18 years of age.
(b) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years
older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is
guilty of a misdemeanor.
(c) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than
the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and
shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one
year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.
(d) Any person over the age of 21 years who engages in an act of
unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is under 16 years of age
is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished
by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years.
(e) (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, an
adult who engages in an act of sexual intercourse with a minor in
violation of this section may be liable for civil penalties in the
following amounts:
(A) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse
with a minor less than two years younger than the adult is liable for
a civil penalty not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000).
(B) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse
with a minor at least two years younger than the adult is liable for
a civil penalty not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000).
(C) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse
with a minor at least three years younger than the adult is liable
for a civil penalty not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000).
(D) An adult over the age of 21 years who engages in an act of
unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor under 16 years of age is
liable for a civil penalty not to exceed twenty-five thousand dollars
($25,000).
(2) The district attorney may bring actions to recover civil
penalties pursuant to this subdivision. From the amounts collected
for each case, an amount equal to the costs of pursuing the action
shall be deposited with the treasurer of the county in which the
judgment was entered, and the remainder shall be deposited in the
Underage Pregnancy Prevention Fund, which is hereby created in the
State Treasury. Amounts deposited in the Underage Pregnancy
Prevention Fund may be used only for the purpose of preventing
underage pregnancy upon appropriation by the Legislature.
261.6. In prosecutions under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289,
in which consent is at issue, "consent" shall be defined to mean
positive cooperation in act or attitude pursuant to an exercise of
free will. The person must act freely and voluntarily and have
knowledge of the nature of the act or transaction involved.
A current or previous dating or marital relationship shall not be
sufficient to constitute consent where consent is at issue in a
prosecution under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289.
Nothing in this section shall affect the admissibility of evidence
or the burden of proof on the issue of consent.
261.7. In prosecutions under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289,
in which consent is at issue, evidence that the victim suggested,
requested, or otherwise communicated to the defendant that the
defendant use a condom or other birth control device, without
additional evidence of consent, is not sufficient to constitute
consent.
Updates 04-2001:
From District Attorney (http://www.stanislaus-da.org/statutory_rape.htm)
What is Statutory Rape?
Statutory Rape is unlawful sexual intercourse with someone
under the age of 18.
What is Vertical Prosecution?
Vertical Prosecution means one prosecutor handling the
case from issuance to final disposition. Studies show that
when it comes to crimes of a personal and sexual nature one
attorney handling all aspects of the case, from charging
through sentencing, increases effectiveness in
understanding the dynamics of each particular case and the
needs of each victim.
Do WE PROSECUTE EVERY CASE?
No. We are evaluating each case independently to determine if
criminal charges are appropriate.
WHY SO MUCH ATTENTION TO STATUTORY RAPE?
California has the highest teen birth rate in the U.S.
Every 8 minutes, a teenager in California has a baby.
3 of 4 births to High School girls are fathered by adults.
Men over 25 account for twice as many teen births as boys under 18 years
old.
The Average Age difference between the teen victim and the adult defendant
in cases filed by the District
Attorney is 7years 9months.
Men over 20 are responsible for 5 times as many births among junior high
school girls.
In California almost 70% of teen births are fathered by adult men.
On an average California day 76 teenage girls, 17 & younger, will give
birth.
In Stanislaus County over 6% of teenage girls will give birth in any given
year.
In 1993 1,572 births in California were to mothers 14 years or younger.
The rate of sexually transmitted disease among teenage girls is twice that
of teenage boys.
This all translates into a tremendous drain in our welfare and medical
resources statewide.
AFDC and Medi-Cal costs for 1 teen pregnancy, birth and 1st year support is
$10,000.
Total costs for teen births to those 17 and younger in 1993 for California
were $140 million.
http://www.ageofconsent.com/california.htm
.

User: "Kurt Ullman"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	07 Oct 2006 07:29:27 AM

In article <r-0710060402510001@192.168.1.102>,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

...

Huh. I've never run across the differences legally. But then I never
had any reason to care about the legal niceties of having sex with
kiddies. (Well since the early 70s when my wife and I were 18. At the
time state law had age of consent for guys at21 and women at 18, so my
wife-to-be was seducing me.)
This whole discussion has facinated me from one angle. In every
state that has a difference the age of consent for females is ALWAYS
younger than the males. I decided it probably wasn't a good idea to
ponder the Freudian regions of that finding. (g).
.

User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	07 Oct 2006 05:40:05 PM

In article
<kurtullman-F1A5A7.08292607102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0710060402510001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

...

� chortle

This whole discussion has facinated me from one angle. In every
state that has a difference the age of consent for females is ALWAYS
younger than the males. I decided it probably wasn't a good idea to
ponder the Freudian regions of that finding. (g).

� Of the teenagers I know, the girls seem to be about 2 to 4 years more
mature between the ears than the boys.
.

User: "Free Lunch"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	05 Oct 2006 05:17:31 PM

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:49:48 -0700, in alt.atheism
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote in <r-0510060849480001@192.168.1.102>:

In article
<kurtullman-BC9BC7.08110805102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0510060441550001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

� In a carefully worded public statement, Foley's attorney stressed that
Foley was not a pedophile. In California, pedophile means sexual contact
with a person under the age of 13.

Interesting, but irrelevant.

� Not quite since such laws are similar in various states.

The appropriate law would probably be FL,
DC, wherever Foley lived while Congress was in session, or wherever the
recipient(s) of the messages lived.

� The age of consent in FL used to be 13. The current age of consent in
D.C. is 16, so Foley is definitely not a pedophile in either venue.

Didn't Foley help pass a law that made his internet trolling illegal,
though?
.

User: "�R L Measures"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	06 Oct 2006 04:52:47 AM

In article <731bi2hporh4h8ncrdadafodok123gf11m@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:49:48 -0700, in alt.atheism
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote in <r-0510060849480001@192.168.1.102>:

In article
<kurtullman-BC9BC7.08110805102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <r-0510060441550001@192.168.1.102>,
r@somis.org (�R L Measures) wrote:

� In a carefully worded public statement, Foley's attorney stressed that
Foley was not a pedophile. In California, pedophile means sexual contact
with a person under the age of 13.

Interesting, but irrelevant.

� Not quite since such laws are similar in various states.

The appropriate law would probably be FL,
DC, wherever Foley lived while Congress was in session, or wherever the
recipient(s) of the messages lived.

� The age of consent in FL used to be 13. The current age of consent in
D.C. is 16, so Foley is definitely not a pedophile in either venue.

Didn't Foley help pass a law that made his internet trolling illegal,
though?

� Something like that, and didn't he make a big deal out of it when the
law got passed.?
.

User: "Lars Eighner"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	02 Oct 2006 06:08:11 PM

In our last episode, <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented duke broadcast on alt.atheism:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

Neither were involved with minors or pages. See there is a difference:
child, adult. Not the same. Republicans and Catholics seem to have a lot
of trouble understanding that difference.
--
Lars Eighner *Atheist #1965*

<http://larseighner.com/>
War hath no fury like a noncombatant. - Charles Edward Montague
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	03 Oct 2006 05:01:16 PM

On 02 Oct 2006 23:08:11 GMT, Lars Eighner <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote:

In our last episode, <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented duke broadcast on alt.atheism:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(�R L Measures) wrote:

� Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

Neither were involved with minors or pages. See there is a difference:
child, adult. Not the same. Republicans and Catholics seem to have a lot
of trouble understanding that difference.

User: "Mike Dundee"
Title: Re: Foley Resigns to spend more time stalking children	03 Oct 2006 06:27:39 PM

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:scn5i2ls0invviv4cdp35l9ubb8ct8ea7j@4ax.com...

On 02 Oct 2006 23:08:11 GMT, Lars Eighner <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote:

In our last episode, <kg53i2d88a1k8433c0sq6441gauh4anbtp@4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented duke broadcast on alt.atheism:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:38:42 -0700,

(.R L Measures) wrote:

. Does it seem like Democrats have a preference for girl pages and
Republicans have a preference for boy pages?

Not for barnie franks and the former NJ gov.

Neither were involved with minors or pages. See there is a difference:
child, adult. Not the same. Republicans and Catholics seem to have a lot
of trouble understanding that difference.

We know this duke. It makes no difference. It's the individual.
You're like the kids that gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar right
before dinner and uses the excuse "but ma, billy did it yesterday"
So what?? Right is right and wrong is wrong.
As I said in another post, both political parties (the big 2) have
corruption
in the ranks.
.

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