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User: "johac"
Date: 02 Nov 2007 01:33:07 AM
Object: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin
Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.
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'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin
Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.
Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore
With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.
Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.
Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.
Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.
Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.
The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs
Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore
Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.
True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.
So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide ‹ they're not truly flying ‹ and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.
The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.
A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.
*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).
---
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html
--
John #1782
.

User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 03 Nov 2007 08:40:05 AM
On Nov 2, 12:33 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos =E2=80=B9 nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they ca=

n't

really fly and aren't lemurs =E2=80=B9 might look like an unlikely candid=

ate as

the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide =E2=80=B9 they're not truly flying =E2=80=B9 and they =

look somewhat

fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792=C2=AD794 (2007).

---http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html
--
John #1782

That's nonsense! Can you show me a colugo with half a wing?!!
Budikka
.
User: "Randy Day"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 03 Nov 2007 10:26:18 AM
Budikka666 wrote:
[snip]

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html
--
John #1782


That's nonsense! Can you show me a colugo with half a wing?!!

<singing> Eric the half-a- ... colugo?
Hmmm. Needs work.
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R
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EAC Disciplinary Committee
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 04 Nov 2007 12:32:11 AM
In article <1194097205.608542.244920@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:33 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ή nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ή might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide ή they're not truly flying ή and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html
--
John #1782


That's nonsense! Can you show me a colugo with half a wing?!!

LOL! But they can't possibly be related to us because none of my
relatives have wings!


Budikka

--
John #1782
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User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 04 Nov 2007 05:57:51 PM
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-436E22.22321103112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <1194097205.608542.244920@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:33 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an
evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ή nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ή might look like an unlikely candidate
as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are
to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which
lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast
Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet,
are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's
probably
because they glide ή they're not truly flying ή and they look
somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find
itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different
mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And,
says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate
species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html
--
John #1782


That's nonsense! Can you show me a colugo with half a wing?!!


LOL! But they can't possibly be related to us because none of my
relatives have wings!

Correction...None of my *living* relatives have wings. (Angels???)
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 04 Nov 2007 11:38:39 PM
In article <30tXi.32118$T8.5377@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-436E22.22321103112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <1194097205.608542.244920@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:33 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an
evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ή nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ή might look like an unlikely candidate
as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are
to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which
lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast
Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet,
are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's
probably
because they glide ή they're not truly flying ή and they look
somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find
itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different
mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And,
says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate
species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html
--
John #1782


That's nonsense! Can you show me a colugo with half a wing?!!


LOL! But they can't possibly be related to us because none of my
relatives have wings!


Correction...None of my *living* relatives have wings. (Angels???)

Devils are often depicted with wings too. So are dragons. Pegasus, and
flying monkeys. All are about as real as 'angels'.


Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279

--
John #1782
.




User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 03 Nov 2007 08:33:14 AM
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, in alt.atheism , johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> in
<jhachmann-7865F2.23330701112007@news.giganews.com> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

It is interesting, at least at first glance, that these close
relatives got the name of a closer relative. It looks like the folk
taxonomy got it right.
[snip]
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Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 04 Nov 2007 12:35:07 AM
In article <q1uoi3pmrpo78g0r0is0tun331ftadmi65@4ax.com>,
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, in alt.atheism , johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> in
<jhachmann-7865F2.23330701112007@news.giganews.com> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.


It is interesting, at least at first glance, that these close
relatives got the name of a closer relative. It looks like the folk
taxonomy got it right.

[snip]

Yes. I'm looking forward to the DNA results. They might provide a better
clue as to when the split took place.
--
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User: "William Wingstedt"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 02 Nov 2007 05:16:38 AM
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide ‹ they're not truly flying ‹ and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.

--
John #1782

.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 02 Nov 2007 06:20:37 PM
In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide ‹ they're not truly flying ‹ and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html


My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.

LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


--
John #1782

--
John #1782
.
User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 02 Nov 2007 10:57:40 PM
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide ‹ they're not truly flying ‹ and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html


My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.

Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling, to
your destination.
There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 03 Nov 2007 12:58:46 AM
In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide ‹ they're not truly flying ‹ and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html


My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling, to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?

Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)
Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279

--
John #1782
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 22 Nov 2007 08:19:45 PM
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:

[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling, to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.

Could get you a faceful of excrement.
.
User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 24 Nov 2007 09:04:14 PM
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:t2eck3p79th1bsripsa5sjop1lr4nasv94@4ax.com...

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:


[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose
to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling,
to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Could get you a faceful of excrement.

I'm sure you could, if that's what you want!?!?
(Some people do have some *very* strange tastes.)
Whatever turns you on <shrug!>
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 29 Nov 2007 07:55:51 PM
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:04:14 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:


"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:t2eck3p79th1bsripsa5sjop1lr4nasv94@4ax.com...

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:


[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose
to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling,
to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Could get you a faceful of excrement.


I'm sure you could, if that's what you want!?!?
(Some people do have some *very* strange tastes.)
Whatever turns you on <shrug!>

Some do, yes.
.


User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 23 Nov 2007 12:54:15 AM
In article <t2eck3p79th1bsripsa5sjop1lr4nasv94@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:


[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling, to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Could get you a faceful of excrement.

I think that crash helmets with face shields would have to be mandatory.
--
John #1782
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 24 Nov 2007 03:07:24 PM
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:54:15 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <t2eck3p79th1bsripsa5sjop1lr4nasv94@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:


[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling, to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Could get you a faceful of excrement.


I think that crash helmets with face shields would have to be mandatory.

Useless. It's not the fall which hurts you. It's the sudden stop
which does.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 25 Nov 2007 01:29:06 AM
In article <8j4hk3pbcvcm7p051veelk2gbdc0s176kh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:54:15 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <t2eck3p79th1bsripsa5sjop1lr4nasv94@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:


[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For
short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one
is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose
to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling,
to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Could get you a faceful of excrement.


I think that crash helmets with face shields would have to be mandatory.


Useless. It's not the fall which hurts you. It's the sudden stop
which does.

I meant to protect you from excrement.
--
John #1782
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 29 Nov 2007 07:54:31 PM
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:29:06 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <8j4hk3pbcvcm7p051veelk2gbdc0s176kh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:54:15 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <t2eck3p79th1bsripsa5sjop1lr4nasv94@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:


[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For
short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next one
is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could chose
to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by circling,
to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Could get you a faceful of excrement.


I think that crash helmets with face shields would have to be mandatory.


Useless. It's not the fall which hurts you. It's the sudden stop
which does.


I meant to protect you from excrement.

You'd still be blinded, and wearing it anyway.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 30 Nov 2007 01:00:46 AM
In article <n9ruk3h4s35fi51q73ednf4hlp20le00l0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:29:06 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <8j4hk3pbcvcm7p051veelk2gbdc0s176kh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:54:15 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <t2eck3p79th1bsripsa5sjop1lr4nasv94@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:


[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm
related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For
short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next
one
is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could
chose
to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by
circling,
to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Could get you a faceful of excrement.


I think that crash helmets with face shields would have to be mandatory.


Useless. It's not the fall which hurts you. It's the sudden stop
which does.


I meant to protect you from excrement.


You'd still be blinded, and wearing it anyway.

I think you'd need industrial strength windshield wipers.
--
John #1782
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 06 Dec 2007 01:07:47 PM
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:00:46 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <n9ruk3h4s35fi51q73ednf4hlp20le00l0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:29:06 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <8j4hk3pbcvcm7p051veelk2gbdc0s176kh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:54:15 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <t2eck3p79th1bsripsa5sjop1lr4nasv94@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:58:46 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <UkSWi.26178$uH.24951@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88F101.16203702112007@news.giganews.com...

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:


[]

My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm
related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For
short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


Even for longer trips.
Imagine a network of lifts [elevators] where the base of the next
one
is
always within gliding distance of the present one.
When you get to the final lift before your destination you could
chose
to
walk the last part of your journey or glide, losing height by
circling,
to
your destination.

There'd have to be some new laws, though.
GUI, gliding under the influence.
Dangerous gliding.
Gliding without due care and attention.
Landing in a 'No Landing' zone.
Thermal hogging?


Keeping to the right. (Although I suspect some people would insist on
flying on the wrong side of the road.)

Tailgating would also be a definite no no.


Could get you a faceful of excrement.


I think that crash helmets with face shields would have to be mandatory.


Useless. It's not the fall which hurts you. It's the sudden stop
which does.


I meant to protect you from excrement.


You'd still be blinded, and wearing it anyway.


I think you'd need industrial strength windshield wipers.

Insufficent.
.









User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 22 Nov 2007 05:46:07 PM
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:20:37 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide ‹ they're not truly flying ‹ and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html


My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.

"Doc! Doc! I've sprained a wing!"
/doc
"You haven't a prayer, but you're restrained to very short hops."
.
User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 24 Nov 2007 09:12:44 PM
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:v35ck354ccf8msmftfnapuce1if9ss0hjb@4ax.com...

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:20:37 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an
evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos < nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs < might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are
to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which
lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast
Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet,
are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's
probably
because they glide < they're not truly flying < and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find
itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different
mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And,
says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate
species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html


My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


"Doc! Doc! I've sprained a wing!"

/doc
"You haven't a prayer, but you're restrained to very short hops."

Thermals underwear is the answer.
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 23 Nov 2007 12:56:39 AM
In article <v35ck354ccf8msmftfnapuce1if9ss0hjb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:20:37 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <472af884.2595796858@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:33:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Leapin' Lemurs! Take a look at our new 'relatives'.

---
'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin

Tree of life shows that colugos are our nearest non-primate relatives.

Michael Hopkin
Looks like a lemur, but more like a shrew.Looks like a lemur, but more
like a shrew.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

With their 'wings' and spooky, haunting eyes, they look more like
something from a comic book than a zoology textbook. But an evolutionary
study shows that colugos are the closest living relative of primates.

Colugos ‹ nicknamed 'flying lemurs', although confusingly they can't
really fly and aren't lemurs ‹ might look like an unlikely candidate as
the closest cousin to primates, the group that includes monkeys, apes
and humans. But evolutionary geneticists have discovered that we are
more closely related to these squirrel-like tree-dwellers than we are to
other non-primate mammals.

Researchers led by William Murphy of Texas A&M University in College
Station compared DNA from dozens of species, including primates,
colugos, tree shrews, rodents and other mammals, to search for genetic
changes that would reveal when the groups branched off from one another
during evolution.

Evidence of insertion or deletion of specific genetic sequences in each
species helped to construct an accurate evolutionary tree. As the team
reports in Science 1, colugos emerged as the most recent non-primate
group to branch off from our lineage, some 86 million years ago.

Evolutionary biologists previously knew that both tree shrews and
colugos branched away from the human lineage at about this time, but
they didn't know which one was closest. "It was difficult to prise them
apart," Murphy says.

The team's work shows that colugos branched off roughly a million years
later than shrews.
Non-flying non-lemurs

Back then, all land mammals would have been quite small, shrew-like
insect-eaters, Murphy says. The animal kingdom was still ruled by the
dinosaurs. Only after the dinosaurs' demise, roughly 65 million years
ago, did mammals really begin to diversify into the many shapes and
sizes we see today.
Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.Grounded: despite having bat-like 'wings', colugos can't really
fly.N. Lim/Nat. Univ. Singapore

Today, colugos are represented by two species: Cynocephalus, which lives
in the Philippines and is listed by the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources as 'vulnerable'; and
Galeopterus, which is distributed more widely throughout Southeast Asia.

True lemurs, from which colugos gain their 'flying lemur' sobriquet, are
primates, alongside monkeys, apes and ourselves.

So how did colugos end up with such a confusing nickname? "It's probably
because they glide ‹ they're not truly flying ‹ and they look somewhat
fuzzy, like a lemur," Murphy suggests.

The animal, which is by no means famous at present, may soon find itself
pushed into the scientific limelight as a result of its place on the
evolutionary tree. Murphy and his colleagues are calling for the colugo
to be added to the list of animals, including some 30 different mammals,
that are set to have their genomes sequenced.

A complete genetic handbook for colugos would be a useful tool for
researchers to compare the genes of different primate species. And, says
Murphy, it might help us deduce what the very first true primate species
might have looked like.

*
References
1. Janecka, J. E. et al. Science 318, 792­794 (2007).

---
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html


My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


"Doc! Doc! I've sprained a wing!"

/doc
"You haven't a prayer, but you're restrained to very short hops."

That could be a good excuse for being late for work. Instead of the
proverbial flat tire, "Sorry Boss, I woke up with a sore wing this
morning."
--
John #1782
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 24 Nov 2007 03:08:47 PM
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:56:39 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <v35ck354ccf8msmftfnapuce1if9ss0hjb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:20:37 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

[]

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html


My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


"Doc! Doc! I've sprained a wing!"

/doc
"You haven't a prayer, but you're restrained to very short hops."


That could be a good excuse for being late for work. Instead of the
proverbial flat tire, "Sorry Boss, I woke up with a sore wing this
morning."

Handicapped flight lanes would be problematical.......
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 25 Nov 2007 01:28:13 AM
In article <dl4hk3hpkhd5l536ivors25fun6o4ev7c9@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:56:39 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <v35ck354ccf8msmftfnapuce1if9ss0hjb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:20:37 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:


[]

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071101/full/news.2007.213.html


My dog would probably chase me up a tree if it finds out I'm related
to these guys.


LOL! I wouldn't mind being able to fly or even glide though. For short
trips, think of all the money one would save on gas.


"Doc! Doc! I've sprained a wing!"

/doc
"You haven't a prayer, but you're restrained to very short hops."


That could be a good excuse for being late for work. Instead of the
proverbial flat tire, "Sorry Boss, I woke up with a sore wing this
morning."


Handicapped flight lanes would be problematical.......

True. They'd need booster rockets. You definitely wouldn't want to
tailgate them.
--
John #1782
.




User: "William Wingstedt"

Title: Re: 'Flying lemurs' are primates' closest kin 02 Nov 2007 06:44:47 PM
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:20: