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04 Oct 2006 06:44:34 AM |
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Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager |
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
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Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Attorney David Roth said Foley was molested between ages 13 and 15. He
declined to identify the clergyman or the church, but Foley is Roman
Catholic.
He also acknowledged for the first time that the former congressman is
gay, saying the disclosure was part of his client's ''recovery.''
''Mark Foley wants you to know he is a gay man,'' Roth told reporters as
Republicans struggled with fallout from Foley's resignation.
Foley ''does not blame the trauma he sustained as a young adolescent for
his totally inappropriate e-mails'' and instant messages, Roth said.
''He continues to offer no excuse whatsoever for his conduct.''
Foley, who is 52 and single, represented parts of Palm Beach County for
12 years until he abruptly resigned Friday after being accused of
sending lurid Internet messages to teenage boys who served as pages on
Capitol Hill. The FBI and Florida law enforcement officials are
investigating whether he violated any laws.
The lawyer said Foley, who is now in treatment for alcohol abuse, never
had any inappropriate sexual contact with a minor. ''Any suggestion that
Mark Foley is a pedophile is false,'' he said.
Roth also said Foley was under the influence of alcohol when he sent the
e-mails and instant messages.
Asked why Foley did not disclose the abuse sooner, Roth said, ''Shame,
shame.''
''As is so often the case with victims of abuse, Mark advises that he
kept his shame to himself for almost 40 years,'' Roth said.
The communications were first reported last week by ABC News, which
released more instant messages Tuesday that suggest Foley interrupted a
vote on the House floor to chat online with a teen.
''I miss you,'' Foley said in one message, according to ABC.
''ya me too,'' the teen replied.
''we are still voting,'' Foley responded.
Roth said Foley was never under the influence of alcohol while
conducting business on Capitol Hill, but he could not explain his
previous statement that Foley was intoxicated when he sent the messages.
The race for Foley's seat has been pushed into the national spotlight as
Democrats seek a net gain of 15 Republican seats to retake power in the
House. Foley was considered a shoo-in for re-election before the
messages surfaced.
On Monday, state Republican Party leaders selected state Rep. Joe Negron
to replace Foley as their candidate in the Nov. 7 election, but under
state law, Foley's name cannot be removed from the ballot even though he
has withdrawn. Votes for Foley will be tallied for Negron.
Meanwhile, House Speaker Dennis Hastert cast aside calls for his
resignation Tuesday amid allegations from Democrats that Republicans
knew of Foley's questionable communications months ago but failed to act.
President Bush, speaking at a Stockton, Calif., elementary school, on
Tuesday said he was disgusted by Foley's actions.
The House Ethics Committee scheduled its first meeting on Foley's
actions for Thursday.
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article
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08 Oct 2006 09:48:46 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
---
Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Foley could quite well be lying about his being molested. Whether he
was, or wasn't, such is not an excuse for his actions.
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09 Oct 2006 02:40:02 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:48:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
---
Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Foley could quite well be lying about his being molested. Whether he
was, or wasn't, such is not an excuse for his actions.
My suspicion is that he is indeed lying, though of course I have no evidence of
this. It just seems too "convenient", and it's not unusual for a gay person who
has unwillingly come out of the closet to resort to such claims in an effort to
maintain their "innocence" in the eyes of those they know who would condemn them
if they thought the person was gay by "choice". It's possible that he really
was molested, of course, and it's even possible that such a thing affected his
sexuality in some way. But he shouldn't have to feel compelled to tell the
world about it to "justify" his being gay - such self-loathing is something I've
experienced, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager |
09 Oct 2006 06:02:07 AM |
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In article <ojdji256vl6fum2c6pr16sn3jhu3fj1h83@4ax.com>,
Uncle Clover <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:48:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
---
Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Foley could quite well be lying about his being molested. Whether he
was, or wasn't, such is not an excuse for his actions.
My suspicion is that he is indeed lying, though of course I have no evidence
of
this. It just seems too "convenient", and it's not unusual for a gay person
who
has unwillingly come out of the closet to resort to such claims in an effort
to
maintain their "innocence" in the eyes of those they know who would condemn
them
if they thought the person was gay by "choice". It's possible that he really
was molested, of course, and it's even possible that such a thing affected
his
sexuality in some way. But he shouldn't have to feel compelled to tell the
world about it to "justify" his being gay - such self-loathing is something
I've
experienced, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
--
That was my thought too. Between the alleged molestation and the claim
of alcoholism, he might be fishing for sympathy from among his anti gay
peers.
However, gay or straight, nothing excuses pedophilia.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Uncle Clover" |
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09 Oct 2006 10:36:50 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 23:02:07 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ojdji256vl6fum2c6pr16sn3jhu3fj1h83@4ax.com>,
Uncle Clover <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:48:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
---
Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Foley could quite well be lying about his being molested. Whether he
was, or wasn't, such is not an excuse for his actions.
My suspicion is that he is indeed lying, though of course I have no evidence
of
this. It just seems too "convenient", and it's not unusual for a gay person
who
has unwillingly come out of the closet to resort to such claims in an effort
to
maintain their "innocence" in the eyes of those they know who would condemn
them
if they thought the person was gay by "choice". It's possible that he really
was molested, of course, and it's even possible that such a thing affected
his
sexuality in some way. But he shouldn't have to feel compelled to tell the
world about it to "justify" his being gay - such self-loathing is something
I've
experienced, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
--
That was my thought too. Between the alleged molestation and the claim
of alcoholism, he might be fishing for sympathy from among his anti gay
peers.
However, gay or straight, nothing excuses pedophilia.
While I agree with you completely, I'm not sure 16 would fall under
"pedophilia". He was a minor for sure, but I was always under the impression
"pedophilia" was more or less 13 and under. Have I misunderstood?
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
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| User: "johac" |
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10 Oct 2006 05:30:33 AM |
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In article <9f9ki2h3lgtlbcfh39q1qi4ovusg6ui0io@4ax.com>,
Uncle Clover <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 23:02:07 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ojdji256vl6fum2c6pr16sn3jhu3fj1h83@4ax.com>,
Uncle Clover <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:48:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
---
Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Foley could quite well be lying about his being molested. Whether he
was, or wasn't, such is not an excuse for his actions.
My suspicion is that he is indeed lying, though of course I have no
evidence
of
this. It just seems too "convenient", and it's not unusual for a gay
person
who
has unwillingly come out of the closet to resort to such claims in an
effort
to
maintain their "innocence" in the eyes of those they know who would
condemn
them
if they thought the person was gay by "choice". It's possible that he
really
was molested, of course, and it's even possible that such a thing affected
his
sexuality in some way. But he shouldn't have to feel compelled to tell
the
world about it to "justify" his being gay - such self-loathing is
something
I've
experienced, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
--
That was my thought too. Between the alleged molestation and the claim
of alcoholism, he might be fishing for sympathy from among his anti gay
peers.
However, gay or straight, nothing excuses pedophilia.
While I agree with you completely, I'm not sure 16 would fall under
"pedophilia". He was a minor for sure, but I was always under the impression
"pedophilia" was more or less 13 and under. Have I misunderstood?
--
Although many 16 year olds are mature enough to know what they are
doing, I believe in legal terms pedophilia applies to sex with someone
under the age of consent, which I believe is 18 in Washington.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Uncle Clover" |
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11 Oct 2006 09:57:45 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:30:33 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <9f9ki2h3lgtlbcfh39q1qi4ovusg6ui0io@4ax.com>,
Uncle Clover <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 23:02:07 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ojdji256vl6fum2c6pr16sn3jhu3fj1h83@4ax.com>,
Uncle Clover <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:48:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
---
Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Foley could quite well be lying about his being molested. Whether he
was, or wasn't, such is not an excuse for his actions.
My suspicion is that he is indeed lying, though of course I have no
evidence
of
this. It just seems too "convenient", and it's not unusual for a gay
person
who
has unwillingly come out of the closet to resort to such claims in an
effort
to
maintain their "innocence" in the eyes of those they know who would
condemn
them
if they thought the person was gay by "choice". It's possible that he
really
was molested, of course, and it's even possible that such a thing affected
his
sexuality in some way. But he shouldn't have to feel compelled to tell
the
world about it to "justify" his being gay - such self-loathing is
something
I've
experienced, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
--
That was my thought too. Between the alleged molestation and the claim
of alcoholism, he might be fishing for sympathy from among his anti gay
peers.
However, gay or straight, nothing excuses pedophilia.
While I agree with you completely, I'm not sure 16 would fall under
"pedophilia". He was a minor for sure, but I was always under the impression
"pedophilia" was more or less 13 and under. Have I misunderstood?
--
Although many 16 year olds are mature enough to know what they are
doing, I believe in legal terms pedophilia applies to sex with someone
under the age of consent, which I believe is 18 in Washington.
Every definition I read lists pedophilia as an attraction to pre-pubescent
children. The term for sexual activity with post-pubescent minors would be
statutory rape, or for what Foley is accused of, corruption of a minor.
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Oct 2006 09:31:32 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:40:02 -0400, Uncle Clover
<UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:48:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
---
Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Foley could quite well be lying about his being molested. Whether he
was, or wasn't, such is not an excuse for his actions.
My suspicion is that he is indeed lying, though of course I have no evidence of
this.
Foley's both a Christian and a Politician. Q.E.D.
It just seems too "convenient", and it's not unusual for a gay person who
has unwillingly come out of the closet to resort to such claims in an effort to
maintain their "innocence" in the eyes of those they know who would condemn them
if they thought the person was gay by "choice". It's possible that he really
was molested, of course, and it's even possible that such a thing affected his
sexuality in some way. But he shouldn't have to feel compelled to tell the
world about it to "justify" his being gay - such self-loathing is something I've
experienced, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Ah, but it's "God Swill" and part of the loving 'Divine Plan' as well
for a 'Greater Good.' He's ordered to rejoyce by the slave master.
That said; Christianity is the problem.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Uncle Clover" |
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04 Oct 2006 11:09:56 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
It most certainly doesn't. I was anally violated in a rather brutal way at the
age of 4 and had a pretty hellish existence through the entire rest of my
childhood, and I don't do the kind of crap Foley is trying to justify. Rat
***** has can't use that as an excuse, he should be shot for even trying. He
just needs to fess up and get over it, he's not the first dirty old man and he
certainly won't be the last.
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L8r,
Uncle Clover
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05 Oct 2006 04:54:52 AM |
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In article <9kf8i25vcb4qtjb9rfg3t601kocvei5u9m@4ax.com>,
Uncle Clover <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
It most certainly doesn't. I was anally violated in a rather brutal way at
the
age of 4 and had a pretty hellish existence through the entire rest of my
childhood, and I don't do the kind of crap Foley is trying to justify. Rat
***** has can't use that as an excuse, he should be shot for even trying.
He
just needs to fess up and get over it, he's not the first dirty old man and
he
certainly won't be the last.
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Then of course it was the booze that did it. The first thing he does is
check into an alcohol rehab center. He's just fishing for sympathy. For
what he did he deserves none.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Tuco Ramirez" |
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04 Oct 2006 06:50:01 AM |
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johac wrote:
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
---
Attorney: Foley was molested by clergyman as a teenager
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/81866,cst-nws-foley03.article)
October 3, 2006
BY BRIAN SKOLOFF Associated Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through
his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a
teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer
messages to teenage male pages.
Attorney David Roth said Foley was molested between ages 13 and 15. He
declined to identify the clergyman or the church, but Foley is Roman
Catholic.
He also acknowledged for the first time that the former congressman is
gay, saying the disclosure was part of his client's ''recovery.''
''Mark Foley wants you to know he is a gay man,'' Roth told reporters as
Republicans struggled with fallout from Foley's resignation.
Foley ''does not blame the trauma he sustained as a young adolescent for
his totally inappropriate e-mails'' and instant messages, Roth said.
''He continues to offer no excuse whatsoever for his conduct.''
Foley, who is 52 and single, represented parts of Palm Beach County for
12 years until he abruptly resigned Friday after being accused of
sending lurid Internet messages to teenage boys who served as pages on
Capitol Hill. The FBI and Florida law enforcement officials are
investigating whether he violated any laws.
The lawyer said Foley, who is now in treatment for alcohol abuse, never
had any inappropriate sexual contact with a minor. ''Any suggestion that
Mark Foley is a pedophile is false,'' he said.
Roth also said Foley was under the influence of alcohol when he sent the
e-mails and instant messages.
Asked why Foley did not disclose the abuse sooner, Roth said, ''Shame,
shame.''
''As is so often the case with victims of abuse, Mark advises that he
kept his shame to himself for almost 40 years,'' Roth said.
The communications were first reported last week by ABC News, which
released more instant messages Tuesday that suggest Foley interrupted a
vote on the House floor to chat online with a teen.
''I miss you,'' Foley said in one message, according to ABC.
''ya me too,'' the teen replied.
''we are still voting,'' Foley responded.
Roth said Foley was never under the influence of alcohol while
conducting business on Capitol Hill, but he could not explain his
previous statement that Foley was intoxicated when he sent the messages.
The race for Foley's seat has been pushed into the national spotlight as
Democrats seek a net gain of 15 Republican seats to retake power in the
House. Foley was considered a shoo-in for re-election before the
messages surfaced.
On Monday, state Republican Party leaders selected state Rep. Joe Negron
to replace Foley as their candidate in the Nov. 7 election, but under
state law, Foley's name cannot be removed from the ballot even though he
has withdrawn. Votes for Foley will be tallied for Negron.
Meanwhile, House Speaker Dennis Hastert cast aside calls for his
resignation Tuesday amid allegations from Democrats that Republicans
knew of Foley's questionable communications months ago but failed to act.
President Bush, speaking at a Stockton, Calif., elementary school, on
Tuesday said he was disgusted by Foley's actions.
The House Ethics Committee scheduled its first meeting on Foley's
actions for Thursday.
He also said the Devil told him to do it.
You believe that too?
Are you this stupid?
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04 Oct 2006 01:11:05 PM |
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johac wrote:
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
ALLEGEDLY molested by a priest. And mind you, only conservative hypocrites
trying desperately to weasel out of their crimes have ever been documented as
"converted" to homosexuality because of sexual abuse.
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| User: "johac" |
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05 Oct 2006 04:59:32 AM |
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In article <4523B2E9.CEAD01E8@serv.net>,
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Since Foley is Catholic the clergyman was almost certainly a priest. It
doesn't excuse his actions though.
ALLEGEDLY molested by a priest. And mind you, only conservative hypocrites
trying desperately to weasel out of their crimes have ever been documented as
"converted" to homosexuality because of sexual abuse.
Of course it's BS. I just have to laugh at these guys who always point
to liberals as claiming victimhood for everything. The minute they get
caught with their pants down, literally or virtually, they start right
in whining "But it's not my fault!" They never take responsibility.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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