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"Ash" |
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11 Apr 2005 03:50:36 PM |
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Football fans charged for booing pope |
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Football fans charged for booing pope |
11 Apr 2005 04:45:56 PM |
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Ash wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
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| User: "dakeb" |
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12 Apr 2005 07:53:52 AM |
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I think it's digusting the football club attempted to foist their religious
views on the whole crowd by holding a minutes silence for the pope.
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| User: "nospam" |
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11 Apr 2005 09:49:29 PM |
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Martin <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
I watched a tape of a sporting event yesterday which had a one minute
silence for the ex-pope. I fast forwarded through it - should I be
expecting a knock at the door?
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:31:37 AM |
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"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:b1sl5154e1661c92lfnkdpbqooe6gofc6d@4ax.com...
Martin <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for
the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be
passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
I watched a tape of a sporting event yesterday which had a one minute
silence for the ex-pope. I fast forwarded through it - should I be
expecting a knock at the door?
Not from the pope :-)
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| User: "dakeb" |
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12 Apr 2005 07:55:57 AM |
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"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:b1sl5154e1661c92lfnkdpbqooe6gofc6d@4ax.com...
Martin <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for
the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be
passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
I watched a tape of a sporting event yesterday which had a one minute
silence for the ex-pope. I fast forwarded through it - should I be
expecting a knock at the door?
Only if you watched it more than once.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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12 Apr 2005 09:57:08 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:49:29 +0100, nospam wrote:
Martin <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for
the minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does
not bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be
passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
I watched a tape of a sporting event yesterday which had a one minute
silence for the ex-pope. I fast forwarded through it - should I be
expecting a knock at the door?
(cue gospel music)
Oh, sinner, why don't you answer? Somebody's knocking at your door....
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Chris Street" |
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12 Apr 2005 12:14:50 AM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:49:29 +0100, nospam wrote:
Martin <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
I watched a tape of a sporting event yesterday which had a one minute
silence for the ex-pope. I fast forwarded through it - should I be
expecting a knock at the door?
Just remember that the first Pope is the one guarding the pearly gates!
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| User: "The Caretaker" |
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11 Apr 2005 05:19:29 PM |
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Martin wrote:
Ash wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic,
they are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this.
According to a news report I have heard, they have now been charged
with a sectarian hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web
is only just catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for
the minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does
not bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be
passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
IANAL but if some people are allowed to have their minutes silence, then
why should any other people _have_ to respect this?
Whilst I think respecting a moments silence is no hardship and is
something I agree with, I have no problem with others, who might
disagree with the Pope, Catholics, or whatever they stand for,
disagreeing and voicing their opinions. It might be the height of poor
taste and might also be perceived as a slur to the people who want
quiet, but that doesn't mean others have to respect their wishes.
I always thought your religion or church went with you and is all about
what you, personally, do. A moments silence is what someone has for
their own reasons, and should not necessarily cause everyone around them
to also be silent.
Just my opinion.
--
The Caretaker .........
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:10:25 PM |
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"The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Bky6e.20631$kr.11320@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
Martin wrote:
Ash wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic,
they are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this.
According to a news report I have heard, they have now been charged
with a sectarian hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web
is only just catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for
the minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does
not bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be
passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
IANAL but if some people are allowed to have their minutes silence, then
why should any other people _have_ to respect this?
Whilst I think respecting a moments silence is no hardship and is
something I agree with, I have no problem with others, who might
disagree with the Pope, Catholics, or whatever they stand for,
disagreeing and voicing their opinions. It might be the height of poor
taste and might also be perceived as a slur to the people who want
quiet, but that doesn't mean others have to respect their wishes.
I always thought your religion or church went with you and is all about
what you, personally, do. A moments silence is what someone has for
their own reasons, and should not necessarily cause everyone around them
to also be silent.
Just my opinion.
Is it then appropriate to boo during a war memorial service since you didn't
agree with the war or is it good manners to shut your gob and let other
people have their moment?
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| User: "Now Heres Clayton With The Weather" |
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12 Apr 2005 12:48:08 AM |
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"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:425ad9bf$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
"The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Martin wrote:
Ash wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between
Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic,
they are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this.
According to a news report I have heard, they have now been charged
with a sectarian hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web
is only just catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for
the minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does
not bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it
be
passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
IANAL but if some people are allowed to have their minutes silence, then
why should any other people _have_ to respect this?
Whilst I think respecting a moments silence is no hardship and is
something I agree with, I have no problem with others, who might
disagree with the Pope, Catholics, or whatever they stand for,
disagreeing and voicing their opinions. It might be the height of poor
taste and might also be perceived as a slur to the people who want
quiet, but that doesn't mean others have to respect their wishes.
I always thought your religion or church went with you and is all about
what you, personally, do. A moments silence is what someone has for
their own reasons, and should not necessarily cause everyone around them
to also be silent.
Just my opinion.
Is it then appropriate to boo during a war memorial service since you
didn't
agree with the war or is it good manners to shut your gob and let other
people have their moment?
Yes! Are you saying people should be arrested and charged for doing it???
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:03:50 AM |
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"Now Here's Clayton With The Weather" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote
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"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:425ad9bf$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
"The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Martin wrote:
Ash wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between
Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for
the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic,
they are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this.
According to a news report I have heard, they have now been charged
with a sectarian hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the
web
is only just catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes
for
the minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and
does
not bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it
be
passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
IANAL but if some people are allowed to have their minutes silence,
then
why should any other people _have_ to respect this?
Whilst I think respecting a moments silence is no hardship and is
something I agree with, I have no problem with others, who might
disagree with the Pope, Catholics, or whatever they stand for,
disagreeing and voicing their opinions. It might be the height of
poor
taste and might also be perceived as a slur to the people who want
quiet, but that doesn't mean others have to respect their wishes.
I always thought your religion or church went with you and is all
about
what you, personally, do. A moments silence is what someone has for
their own reasons, and should not necessarily cause everyone around
them
to also be silent.
Just my opinion.
Is it then appropriate to boo during a war memorial service since you
didn't
agree with the war or is it good manners to shut your gob and let other
people have their moment?
Yes! Are you saying people should be arrested and charged for doing it???
NO!
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| User: "Michael Cargill" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:24:35 PM |
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"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:425ad9bf$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Is it then appropriate to boo during a war memorial service since you
didn't
agree with the war or is it good manners to shut your gob and let other
people have their moment?
The difference here is that the people attending the football match where
there to... watch a football match. The pope had nothing to do with it.
But with a war memorial service, those that booed would have gone there with
the intent to make a scene - but even then I don't really see how you could
charge them with anything.
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| User: "Dr Zoidberg" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:35:07 PM |
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Michael Cargill wrote:
"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:425ad9bf$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Is it then appropriate to boo during a war memorial service since
you didn't agree with the war or is it good manners to shut your gob
and let other people have their moment?
The difference here is that the people attending the football match
where there to... watch a football match. The pope had nothing to do
with it.
But with a war memorial service, those that booed would have gone
there with the intent to make a scene - but even then I don't really
see how you could charge them with anything.
How about a section 5 or 4a public order offence?
The S5 offence is as below
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he -
a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly
behaviour. or
b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is
threatening, abusive or insulting, within the hearing or sight of a person
likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby
(2) An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private
place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are
used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is displayed, by
a person inside a dwelling and the other person is also inside that or
another dwelling.
(3) It is a defence for the accused to prove -
a) That he had no reason to believe that there was any person within hearing
or sight who was likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress, or
b) That he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words
or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation
displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other
dwelling, or
c) That his conduct was reasonable
I'd say that you could make a good case for this as booing would be
disorderly conduct and could easily cause harrasment , alarm or distress to
other people respecting the silence
--
Alex
Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"
www.drzoidberg.co.uk
www.sffh.co.uk
www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| User: "The Caretaker" |
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11 Apr 2005 11:01:41 PM |
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Clockmeister wrote:
"The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Bky6e.20631$kr.11320@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
Martin wrote:
Ash wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic,
they are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this.
According to a news report I have heard, they have now been charged
with a sectarian hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web
is only just catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for
the minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does
not bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be
passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
IANAL but if some people are allowed to have their minutes silence, then
why should any other people _have_ to respect this?
Whilst I think respecting a moments silence is no hardship and is
something I agree with, I have no problem with others, who might
disagree with the Pope, Catholics, or whatever they stand for,
disagreeing and voicing their opinions. It might be the height of poor
taste and might also be perceived as a slur to the people who want
quiet, but that doesn't mean others have to respect their wishes.
I always thought your religion or church went with you and is all about
what you, personally, do. A moments silence is what someone has for
their own reasons, and should not necessarily cause everyone around them
to also be silent.
Just my opinion.
Is it then appropriate to boo during a war memorial service since you didn't
agree with the war or is it good manners to shut your gob and let other
people have their moment?
Of course it's not 'appropriate' and is good manners to respect the
silence. I don't see how it can be a 'legal' matter though or how
others can be 'made' to respect the silence.
Which I think is what I wrote
--
The Caretaker .........
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| User: "Cynic" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:42:55 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:10:25 +0800, "Clockmeister"
<no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
Is it then appropriate to boo during a war memorial service since you didn't
agree with the war or is it good manners to shut your gob and let other
people have their moment?
It is of course polite and appropriate to respect the feelings of
others and keep your silence. Unless, perhaps you have *very* strong
feelings against the war, in which case it may be quite appropriate to
voice your disgust as those who took part are being apparently
honoured.
But ... behaving impolitely, inappropriately or even downright
insultingly is not and should not be a criminal offence.
--
Cynic
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| User: "Paul Robson" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:30:53 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:45:56 +0000, Martin wrote:
Ash wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
copied to uk legal for some thoughts
The words "*****" and "wits" come to mind.
The people who did the charging.
A perfect example of what to expect from the "religious hate law".
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:15:54 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:50:36 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> drained his beer, leaned back in
the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
During the traditional moment of silence for departed members of the
Giants family at Opening Day, they added a moment for the Pope.
Some wit with good lungs took advantage of that extra moment to bellow
"Dodgers SUCK!" loudly enough to be picked up by the TV and radio
broadcasts. That got a nice round of applause.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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11 Apr 2005 11:16:01 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:50:36 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> thought hard and wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
England does not have free speech, correct?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Ash" |
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12 Apr 2005 12:09:45 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:50:36 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> thought hard and wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
England does not have free speech, correct?
I think it is part of the European Human rights legislation, but am not
sure. Traditionally, I think there was no "right to free speech" but
also no right to stop it, unless a law was passed. I could be wrong though
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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12 Apr 2005 06:29:23 PM |
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The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood Daniel
Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com>,who intoned thus:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:50:36 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> thought hard and wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
England does not have free speech, correct?
There are laws against inflammatory speech and material which define
the bounds of free speech in the UK.
In England and Wales, the Public Order act 1936, the Race Relations
act 1967 and various clauses in/amendments to legislation provide for
limitations on the activities of fascist/racist groups. In Northern
Ireland there are laws against sectarian hatred (i.e. Protestant v
Catholic) and it was proposed that these were introduced in Scotland.
The Scottish FA should have known better than to have proposed this
silence at a football match. I suspect they would not have done this
if Rangers had been playing. This is what would have been heard from
half the crowd at Ibrox Park:
"Hello, hello, we are the Billy Boys
Hello, hello, you'll know us by our noise
We're up to our necks in Fenian blood
Surrender or you'll die
'Cos we are the Bridgestown Boys"
Guess what 'FTP' stands for in Glasgow.
Here's a link to a news item:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/print/news/5033000.shtml
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
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Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
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| Title: Re: Football fans charged for booing pope |
12 Apr 2005 10:49:34 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:29:23 +0100, Secular Fundamentalist
<White.Rabbit@answersinAlicethroughthelookingglass.org> thought hard
and wrote:
The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood Daniel
Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com>,who intoned thus:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:50:36 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> thought hard and wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
England does not have free speech, correct?
There are laws against inflammatory speech and material which define
the bounds of free speech in the UK.
Ah, but what is inflammatory speech and material?
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Football fans charged for booing pope |
13 Apr 2005 08:55:49 AM |
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The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood Daniel
Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com>,who intoned thus:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:29:23 +0100, Secular Fundamentalist
<White.Rabbit@answersinAlicethroughthelookingglass.org> thought hard
and wrote:
The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood Daniel
Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com>,who intoned thus:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:50:36 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> thought hard and wrote:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
England does not have free speech, correct?
There are laws against inflammatory speech and material which define
the bounds of free speech in the UK.
Ah, but what is inflammatory speech and material?
Mostly incitement to racial hatred and, as I said, sectarian
propaganda in Northern Ireland.
There's very little case law on this. The only people who have been
convicted are members of what is now the British National Party for
'incitement to racial hatred', which is a specific hate crime defined
by the 1967 Race Relations act. Nick Griffin is currently undergoing a
criminal prosecution for a speech he made at a private meeting
castigating Muslims. He is likely to be found guilty and faces a
custodial sentence if he is.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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| Title: Re: Football fans charged for booing pope |
11 Apr 2005 04:48:30 PM |
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The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk>,who intoned thus:
Basically, at the weekend in the Semi-final in Scotland between Hearts
and Celtic, the Scottish FA decided to have a minutes silence for the
Pope. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of the Hearts fans (not Celtic, they
are a traditionally Catholic club) decided to boo this. According to a
news report I have heard, they have now been charged with a sectarian
hate crime (not sure of the exact nature as the web is only just
catching up up)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm
While I think booing was a bit unnecessary (though the same goes for the
minutes silence) such a charge strikes me as ridiculous and does not
bode well for the incitement to religious hatred law, should it be passed
Imagine if it had been Rangers.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
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Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
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