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For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful little ***** Mark K. Bilbo . |
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Date: Wed, Dec 27 2006 6:00 pm
For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful little *****.
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V:
I am not a peace freak Mark nor am I spiteful. At least I am not a
peace freak in the sense of a blissninny that is out to save the world.
I work to be a peace freak with inner peace though. Once we are at
peace within then there is no need to harm others for fun and world
peace is a byproduct of this journey Mark. "Peace is just another name
for the integrity of being which enables man to respond to life without
inner conflict. A mind which is in pieces cannot be a mind at peace."
-- B. Phillips
But since you brought up the subject of peace I will address that
topic. I read about someone that has been going though tough times with
relocating some horses she owns and can't look after them properly. She
has posted about it a few times and I can see how these horses are
robbing her of any hopes of peace in her life. Sometimes we get
involved in something and it becomes apparent that we have gotten in
over our heads. Some of these things cannot be undone easily or
quickly. In such cases all we can do is to do our footwork within our
personal and program limits to repair the damage and learn from our
mistakes to avoid them in the future. This experiential education is
the best way to learn that all our actions have consequences and that
many of these actions are producing consequences that rob us of inner
peace.
Once we get on track with this type of peace awareness we can ask the
question of what we can comfortably have in our lives and what we
cannot comfortably have. When I mentioned this "comfort" factor one
time, a fellow on a Debtors Anonymous list piped up to argue, "Hell, it
is comfortable for me to not pay the bills and lounge around all day."
Another fellow on an AA list laughed at me and said, "If I want to make
myself comfortable I'll just pick up a bottle." This is not what I
mean. To perpetuate more sickness by making yourself "artificially"
comfortable through drugs, alcohol, debt or fat will ultimately make
you more uncomfortable down the road. To define this comfort quotient
in clearer terms, define it as what you can abstinently, soberly,
solvently and peacefully have in your life on a sustainable basis. The
concept of "comfortable sustainability" is very important for the
addict to realize.
This is how we build real self worth by making amends, repairing the
damage and continuing to live our new life "right size" as the 12 and
12 mentions on pages 122-125 . Once we do this, we will have the
possibility to find inner peace in our lives. For me it took more than
a decade to change my life so peace could be found again. From the
position of an impartial observer I can see many peace busters in the
lives in the various stories I read online. Being mindful of who and
what destroys our peace can be a very good practice for the addict to
develop. When I first read of her plight with these horses, it reminded
me of a couple of stories told by Thich Nhat Hanh in a lecture on
peace.
The first story is about the Buddha and his monks who were sitting by a
road when a distraught farmer wanders by and asks them if they have
seen any cows. The farmer goes on to say how miserable he is and tells
the men his sesame crop has failed and now all of his 10 cows have
wandered off and without them he knows he will die. The Buddha tells
the farmer that they have not seen his cows and to look in another
direction. When the farmer leaves, the Buddha tells his monks, "See how
lucky you are that you have no cows? Otherwise you would be suffering
and in much pain and misery as that farmer." The second story is one
of comparison. Thich Nhat Hanh mentions that the Buddha is many times
pictured as sitting on a lotus blossom as a sign of peace and serenity.
Whereas most people are sitting on burning coals from the lives they
have created for themselves and wonder why they can't find peace?
These lessons from the Buddha reinforces in me to be happy "as-is" and
to not put too many demands on my happiness and contentment. When we
put too many demands on our happiness, we are sure to fail sooner or
later. When we realize that happiness is our God-given right and we
have the potential to be happy as-is, with no outside demands, we are
surer to find it. Or, as Thoreau said: "I am grateful for what I am and
have. My thanksgiving is perpetual. It is surprising how contended one
can be with nothing definite - only a sense of existence." When we have
an engine that is too complex and has 1000 working parts and 1 part
goes bad...the whole engine shuts down and 1 thing kills the other 999.
So it goes with too many demands we place on ourselves for happiness
and contentment...1 thing kills the other 999. Voluntary simplicity or
simple living helped me build a less complex engine with fewer parts to
break down. Instead of 1000 parts, I now have only a handful of parts.
Finding peace is very important if we ever want to let go of our
addictions. Without coming to a place of peace with addictions, we are
always in the white knuckle category and hanging on by a thread. Once
we have this clarity of thinking we can start to evaluate circumstances
the best we can as to their peace destroying qualities and we can then
start to choose how we "spend" our peace. The biggest effect on my
addictive impulses throughout the day, as to whether they take shape or
not, is the condition of my internal peace. If my peace and serenity
becomes lost, then these impulses start to take on more important
forms. This is how I balance working 8 - 12 step programs - I put peace
first.
Now, only a blissninny would claim to being peaceful 100% of the time,
although who knows, maybe there is such a creature in the world?
Personally, I am at peace about 80% to 90% of the time in my life *if*
I work a good program. And, if I do not work my program, my peace
declines to almost nil and my old friends the addictions start calling
my name. As a peace dividend from working a good recovery program many
things that used to in the "peace buster" category now have little
effect on me. The following quote is a good reminder that as human
beings we all come under natural law and we all have limits that are
personal and fit each of us uniquely. (Quote used with permission)
"I have a brother who: is married, has 4 children, has a full-time
medical practice, and has been going half-time to law school, all at
the SAME TIME. Now, there is a guy who is high cap. I am not he, I
never will be, I may as well get used to it right now. What he can
do, has nothing to do with what I can do.
I'm a sensitive person, an artist, introverted. I cannot go from one
activity or noisy session with people, to the next, and the next,
with no downtime. I become frazzled, unhappy, and fragmented. This
is a fact.
It is at those times when, frazzled, worn down from trying to be
high cap, I spend $ or eat in order to give myself more energy to carry
on, or to try to keep up with the high cap people, or to just soothe
my pain."
Contemplative time or meditation time or down time or relaxation time
is very important to fostering peace in our lives as this person is
starting to realize. A lot of the addicts I read about live lives of
constant doing and running with no time for such useless things as
sitting around to relax or meditate. Workaholics usually put little
time in self actualization. They may think that workaholism provides
all the financial benefits they need to live a happy and fulfilled
life, but while putting all effort in this one area they are bankrupt
with the area of their inner peace and contemplative needs.
When we are not self aware of our real needs it is the same as not
having controls in our car that tell us the internal condition of what
is going on. We cannot tell how fast we are going without a
speedometer, nor can we tell if our car is overheating until it its too
late without a temperature gauge and without a gas gauge we will be
left stranded with an empty tank. All these instruments give us
feedback as to the internal condition of things and so does this time
spent with ourselves when we look within. Without writing a book on the
benefits of relaxation or meditation let me tell you of two immediate
positive effects such a practice will have for you when you invest some
time in yourself.
First, relaxation or meditation will give your body some time to
dissipate all the stress chemicals you have been producing in over
abundance. Adrenal steroids (cortisol) secreted when a person is under
stress reach the brain and over time can affect the very structure of
the brain. When stress hormones, intended for a fight or flight
situation remain switched on for an extended period, they can slow the
growth of nerve fibers in the areas of the brain responsible for
emotions and other brain functions such as memory. Unfortunately, with
the way most of us live we fight survival daily and produce too much of
these chemicals. We also produce cortisol from any other stressors the
body perceives, whether it is physical stress, such as a sickness,
injury, surgery, or temperature extremes as well as psychological
stress that we and the world put on us. Each of us has produces a
different amount of these chemicals and has a different sensitivity to
them and this might be the missing link as to a part of the question as
to why some of us are high capacity and other lower capacity with how
we each produce and react to these stress chemicals differently.
Second, you will have some quiet time to not only quiet your brain but
to take a personal accounting of the direction your are going in and
what needs to be changed in order for you to get a new life. You will
finally be getting some feedback from your internal instruments that
have been out of commission for so long do to your excessive busyness.
Addictions are great distracters from living life and waste much of our
time. When I freed up the time I used to waste dealing with the
addiction issues and drama I could now put that newfound time to use in
many more productive and healthier areas in my life. As you will see in
the latter part of this post, contemplative time or meditation played a
large part in the success of my own recovery program.
I once read about an addict that disliked spending any contemplative or
introspective time on herself to become self aware. She claimed it just
promoted being more "self obsessed" and she wanted to spend less time
thinking about herself and not more. Well, all this has to balanced up,
but without giving the question of "who I am and what are my real
recovery needs" some thought, I would not have the recovery I do today.
And this self inventory is needed every day on a continual basis, as
each day has 1440 minutes in it and it only take one of these minutes,
or even less sometimes, to suffer a slip. I seek the middle path and
have to accept I need some introspection time as well as some
non-introspection time in my life. Just work toward balance and work in
the direction of not over doing your self awareness and insight or
under doing it as well.
Don't ever expect perfection either with this balance of self awareness
and self obsession. If you see things getting out of hand, reign things
in some. I don't run perfect programs by any means, but I run
successful ones as long as I work towards perfection but am not upset
if I never get there. If you want to be a "perfectly recovered" addict
then shoot for perfection in an area where it is possible such as
perfect abstention from alcohol, drugs, gambling, etc. If you an
overeater, compulsive spender, sex addict or clutterer shoot for 80% to
90% perfect as 100% perfection in these later mentioned areas is nearly
impossible over the long term. This is how I work my programs in these
areas and found much peace through this acceptance of realistic
perfection rates and living within the 80% to 90% recovery goal which
allows me to reach good recovery as well as find peace with the
addiction.
Why do I counsel you to not be perfect with such things like overeating
or spending and possibly sex? Just ask an NA to use drugs once in while
on a controlled basis or ask an AA to take one drink a day and then
stop! You know how far they would get. The addicts that have to
participate in their addictions, such as eating, sex and spending have
to realize their addictions are also part of living and they will have
a hard time finding peace when they make the tiniest of mistakes with
their program. They cannot perfectly abstain as their AA and NA and GA
brethren can, so they need different tools for their peace mission.
These addictions we participate in daily require "judgments" to be made
and whenever judgments have to be made mistakes are also a possibility.
Cushions or "recovery space" is important in certain of my programs to
allow for some mistakes in judgments. This does not mean I use these
cushions as a license to practice my addiction guilt free. When setting
such cushions we have to realize that if we are too strict we will have
no peace and if we are too loose we will have no recovery or peace as
well.
I also use trend analysis for some of my addictions for instance: is
the Fat, Clutter, Debt or Sex Compulsion growing, declining or has it
been frozen? One nice thing about freezing an addiction is it can only
get better from here. This gave me much comfort with my clutter
recovery work. I knew if I did not add to the clutter it could only
stay the same or go down and it took 8 years to get it down by 98%.
This concept is what gave me hope and comfort to keep working all those
years on it. This philosophy of looking at certain addictive trends is
much more helpful to me than having too strict a set of rules to follow
by the letter such as: did I eat an extra apple and now have to beat
myself up over that 70 calorie apple and now I am no good because I ate
that apple. If I eat an extra unneeded apple between meals I will take
it off the next meal or tomorrow's meal or the day after if I feel like
it. In the big picture an extras 70 calorie apple only translates to
1/3 of an ounce of unneeded fat, so I am not going to ruin my programs
peace over that.
Now, if I am eating an extra 2000 calories a day, this will put on
about 4-1/3 pounds of fat per week on my body, so this is a different
case and requires much attention as to why I have to pacify myself with
all this unneeded overeating? The answer to this question usually lies
in how I am living my life and it usually is because I am not accepting
and living within all my comfortable means. For all those that do not
know, when you eat 3200 unneeded and unburned calories it produces 1
pound of fat on your body. Four sticks of butter equals a pound of fat
or 3200 calories. SCA uses gray, black and while to distinguish these
areas and I find this system very helpful to finding peace with my
recovery programs. The gray areas are allowed, but not desirable
actions and are signposts to back off some. The gray areas are where
the "cushions" are located in for me. Now, some addictive behaviors
don't come under this trend theory, they just blow my program
altogether, so I have to know when to apply trends and when to throw in
the hat and start over.
Let us not forget that even normal people overeat once in a while,
normal people have sex too much once in a while and normal people spend
too much money once in a while. So, normal people make mistakes in
judgment as well. While we are not normal, we must realize that we
should not beat ourselves up for putting ourselves on a higher standard
that normal people are on when we seek perfection with playing with our
addictive area each day. The big difference between normal people and
addicts is that normal people can stop when they see they have gone too
far with their actions and their actions produce unhealthy
consequences. Whereas addicts will continue with the unhealthy actions
no matter what.
With sex needs, these can vary from person to person as to what is
needed for happiness and peace, so we cannot say sex is a necessity of
living for all people. But, whether the feelings are of sexual desire
or for hunger of food, these are all natural desires and I see much
guilt in the programs when addicts have these natural feelings. Since
addicts have abused these areas for so long they become super
sensitized to anything dealing with them and it can be hard to be
objective. How many times do overeaters feel guilty for eating even a
carrot stick? Anything that goes into their mouth now becomes evil...we
still have to eat to live, but it must be done in a balanced way.
Here are few examples of how we can go to extremes to destroy our own
peace when we work an unbalanced recovery program that puts peace last.
I recall one fellow in SA beating himself up for looking at a woman
while eating lunch at a mall. He said he faces a wall now while eating
lunch for fear of seeing a woman. He had terrible guilt and you could
hear the pain in his voice as he asked himself "What is wrong with me -
I am a man - Why can't I look at a woman? " This fellow was not a child
rapist or sex killer, he was married and had a decent life, but got
hooked on a little too much internet porn and his wife complained. But,
from a place of zero peace with internet porn he goes to the other
extreme of zero peace because he can never look at another woman again.
Another fellow said he trashed his computer, TV and VCR and forget the
pool or beach, he is afraid to go out of his house for fear of seeing a
woman. A third fellow mentions how he literally pounded his head with
his fists to punish himself for catching a glimpse of a woman getting
out of a car, yelling at himself "What the hell are you looking for?"
Well, looking at women produces pleasure chemicals in the brain of man,
so it was a simple question to answer - he was looking for pleasure
that is what he was looking for...all natural desires. Nothing
different from getting excited over a glimpse of cake or ice cream or
excited over the next compulsive purchase. We all are visual people and
through the senses addicts participate in their sensation addiction one
way or another. Running a program where you feel ashamed or guilty for
having natural feelings is not a program that you will ever find any
peace in.
On the other hand, "if you abuse it ~ you lose it," so if we have to
play with our addictive area each day, we have to develop a program
that allows us to participate in these areas in a balanced and
recovered way or we lose the privilege to participate in it as most AA,
NA and GA addicts must do with 100% abstention. Some of us can find a
semblance of balance with certain addictions that must be participated
in on a daily basis, otherwise the ones that can't find an acceptable
balance point have to eat lunch facing a wall all their life and are
fearful of leaving home. Always remember, there are triggers all around
us but we ultimately have to pull the trigger ourselves. This trigger
pulling is usually dependent not on the thought but on the emotions
behind the thought. Changing programs helped my peace development with
sex. I dropped out of SA a few years ago and joined SCA where they view
sex as a God - Nature - Higher Power given gift and not a shameful
desire. I still enjoy looking at women periodically, but I had to scale
back from my previous "looking" life quit a bit otherwise I would be
producing too much brain chemicals for recovery - if nothing changes,
then nothing changes.
Now when I enjoy a woman's beauty I also send a metta blessing her way
to help remind me they are not just objects but people - "may any pain
or suffering you bear be lessened." The use of this blessing gives back
something to them in exchange for them providing me with their visual
beauty. If I start looking a little too much then a "vacation" from
looking so much needs to be taken. This is what I mean when I talk
about balancing recovery program and only shooting for 80% to 90%
perfect. To make things clear with the 80% to 90% rule. I am not
referring to cheating on my wife only 20% of the time and calling that
good recovery. I am referring to the small things that addicts beat
themselves up over and seem to destroy their hopes of finding peace
with. In SCA they term these areas as "gray" areas that are signposts
or danger boundaries to be aware of. The other choice is to hammer my
head and face the wall. So, if there are a choice of recovery programs
for your addiction try them all out to see what fits you best.
With some of my addiction abstention standards I hold myself to a
similar level of perfection that a normal person might obtain and with
some other addictions I use a lower standard for my program. It just
varies from program to program and what fits me best. My main concern
in setting such standards is to find a place that gives me the recovery
and peace results I want. If the recovery I strive for is too harsh and
unrealistic and is not sustainable for me then I will find no peace
while living with these addictions that must be participated in on a
daily basis. The only way I could be at peace with taking drugs,
getting drunk and speculative gambling was with not participating in
those areas any longer and have found peace with accepting that is how
it must be.
But most of the other addictions requiring judgments and daily
participation are a constant battle of balancing the addiction and
balancing my peace. Yes, peace is foremost in what I expect from my
recovery efforts. Peace is a wonderful signpost if you learn how to use
it. When your peace is disturbed so goes your programs. Anyway, this is
how I work my recovery programs with certain addictions that require
judgments, so if you can benefit from this method fine, and if not,
then I hope you find a method that works for you.
In my old life, peace used to be very elusive, really it was
nonexistent but once I started changing the direction of my life I
could get a taste of how this restructuring was changing my ability to
find inner peace. It is a funny thing with most of us. We find no peace
or happiness and think our problem is not having enough complexities
and sickness so we lump on some more problems on our backs and when
that doesn't fix things we dig our hole even deeper. It never occurs to
us to change directions and start removing complexities and headaches
from our lives? But, once we get a taste for something that really
works we can have faith in our recovery efforts and then we can work
calmly with the thought that someday our efforts will pay off as we
will be enjoying a new life. It all starts by taking one step in the
other direction that we have been going all our lives.
Here is a short recount how I changed direction in my life. My own
peace started getting destroyed each morning around 3AM - 4 AM and I
could use this insomnia meditation time laying in bed to recount how I
had destroyed my life and made such a mess for my family. In my own
clutter recovery work I had long since learned that "everything you own
takes a little peace ~ peace of you." A lot of my problems came about
through "attachment" and the excesses of "clinging" as the Buddhists
call it. There are many flavors or sects of Buddhism around the world,
but almost all share the "3 pillars" as a foundation. These pillars
are:
1) mindfulness or meditation for personal insight
2) the liberating wisdom non-attachment or non-clinging and accepting
impermanence
3) The development of compassion for others.
As you can see, these pillars have nothing to do with believing or not
believing in God, so they are open for all to use irrespective of
religious affiliation as well as the atheist and agnostic. I didn't
have to wait for Buddhism to tell me that excessive attachment causes
pain. But once I started to study Buddhism a few years ago, it
supplemented what I had learned with my hands on experience through the
painful education of recovering from my addictions. With dealing with
such problems and looking for a way out, it is good to backtrack and
start repairing the damage and deal with the wreckage of the past at
the source in this backwards mode. Once we start to clear up the
wreckage of the past, the future will clear up as well. I did as
Theseus did with the cord he laid down to help find his way back out of
the Minotaur's Labyrinth. He backtracked via the cord as a guide to get
out of the problems he had created for himself. In this case, I
backtracked to develop a credo that would have gave me a different life
*if* I had lived by those words from the start.
I was blessed with working a mindless job so I could use much time for
"working meditation" and could meditate on my life and how to change
things or accept them. This working meditation paid off big and within
6 years I was able to develop a credo that I live by even to this very
day: "Each day I work to live within my means, comfortably fit within
my space and gratefully accept my current position in life." By year 9
of working meditation, supplemented with my early morning insomnia
meditations, I was able to develop a very high grade program of
grateful acceptance. With this ability to practice gratitude and
acceptance I was finally able to be at peace most of the time. By this
time a lot of the wreckage of the past had been cleaned up and I could
start getting some sleep...sometimes till 8.30 am.
People also get attached to stressful situations from not knowing any
other way. This stress is the number one killer for addicts. They say
resentment is a big one for the addict, but resentment just causes us
stress - so go to the source and work on lessening your stress if you
want peace. For me, stress comes about whenever I live beyond my means.
To most people this "means" refers to money, but when I refer to
means, I am speaking about all of them; whether they be financial
means, spiritual means, capability means, energy means, mental or
stress means, caloric means, health means, comfortable space means,
time means and most important my recovery program means. You see there
is much more to living a serene, happy and balanced life than mere
money.
When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building
attachments these attachments become veritable extensions of our being
and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for
others. When these attachments take on this role we become susceptible
to pain via these extensions. If the person, place or thing we are
attached to gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get
damaged or defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very being.
Now, I am not going to tell you I am a total renunciate and am attached
to nothing and removed all stress and problems from my life. But, I did
have to give up lots of things associated with the old sick life in
order to get a new one. Doesn't it make sense that we cannot recover
from a sickness if we continue to take more of the poison that is
making us sick?
What we have to be mindful of with such renunciations is to always seek
balance in our decisions. The life of a renunciate or monk or nun is
not the best choice for all of us either. Imagine a life where the
entire world was composed of monks and nuns that begged off each other
for foods, did not work and only meditated and never had sex and
reproduced? This goes against the "flourishing" aspect of natural law
theory, so for all of us to live such a life is not good for our
species. But, for a small percentage of society to practice this way of
life does not hurt the species but may in fact help it. Buddha said to
always seek the middle road and this is what I try to do with my
recovery work - I seek balance.
The Buddhists caution us to not get attached to ideas themselves so
they say to guard against clinging or attaching to the doctrine of
attachment itself or any of the other Buddhist teachings as well. I
will say that if you can get attached to a successful recovery program
by investing your time and energies and this program is ultimately
expressed as an extension of your self and it becomes to define
yourself, then you will be mindful of anything that starts to chip away
at this extension and feel it as an injustice to your very being when
it happens.
The hard-core Buddhists would not approve of such an "attachment" idea,
but few Buddhists are perfect anyway and addicts definitely cannot
afford to be perfect, so I mention it as a recovery option. This is how
I do it, my investment in building recovery and in building a strong
and healthy body defines who I am to myself and I am keenly aware of
anything that affects it. This idea is not an end all, it is only one
part of the whole. This idea of investment and definition must be
coupled with working the 12 steps as well as repairing the wreckage of
the past and living within our comfortable means, and is just another
part of my program that I build upon.
But, underlying any attachment I may have is the realization of this
doctrine of impermanence. I also moderate my attachments and stressors
through practicing a program of voluntary simplicity. I practice
grateful acceptance as the serenity prayer tells us. and, I make good
use of step 11 - praying only for God - Nature - Higher Power will and
the power to carry it out. Step 11 does not mention my will, but
require me to release all to God - Nature - Higher Power ...if I want
peace. You see, peace is almost always our own choice. We can choose to
cultivate peace by living our life in a direction to promote peace or
choose the opposite direction for living our life which destroys our
peace. When I choose to go beyond my means I start to feel stress and
my addictions start to call. If this "trend" continues too long then
the slip will come - when I put my wants over my programs wants. I
shouldn't complain if this happens. It would be ridiculous to think I
can have my old sick life as well as keep recovery intact?
Yet, addicts do it all the time. They think they can live life with
impunity just by applying the 12 steps to a crazy and spiritually sick
life. If that was the case, the 12 and 12 would not mention living
"right size." I accept it as a tradeoff that is needed for a new life.
I can have the new life, but have to give up the old life to get it and
once I accepted I could not have it both ways, it became possible for
me to find some peace in my life. You see, 12 steps or not, we all have
to answer to natural law. Within the boundaries of natural law is where
stress chemicals come from within us and as addicts I believe we are
super sensitized to these chemicals and we seek relief though our
various addictions. If I ignore natural law and force my will over my
comfortable abilities, then I would not have much success with my
recovery efforts.
I don't know if the lady with the horses will find a new owner of not,
but hopefully she can let them go in peace if she has to and realize
that this desire to own horses does not seem compatible with fostering
peace within her - at least for now. Ultimately, the person, place or
thing itself will always be the final judge as to what we can
comfortably have or not have in our life and our recovery program ...
as long as we are open to listening to the truth. Always remember, what
we think or anyone else thinks about an issue means very little - but
what our program thinks about it means everything to us. Our recovery
program always has the final say when it comes to our peace. We can
always have hope for the future, but for success, we must accept how
things are in the here and now. As the famous late Buddhist lecturer
Alan Watts said, "It is not what you think, it is not what you hope ...
but what IS."
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
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| Title: Re: For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful little ***** Mark K. Bilbo . |
02 Jan 2007 09:12:42 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
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I am not a peace freak Mark nor am I spiteful.
You're definitely a long-winded pain in the *****.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful little ***** Mark K. Bilbo . |
29 Dec 2006 04:44:48 PM |
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On 29 Dec 2006 06:45:33 -0800, "V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful little *****.
And for a Buddhist, you're the greatest egomaniac I've encountered in
quite a while.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful little ***** Mark K. Bilbo . |
29 Dec 2006 03:24:46 PM |
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On 29 Dec 2006 06:45:33 -0800, "V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
I am not a peace freak Mark nor am I spiteful. At least I am not a
peace freak in the sense of a blissninny that is out to save the world.
"Blissninny"? Christian fundamentalist?
It's so difficult keeping track of all the lies, isn't it?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful little ***** MarkK. Bilbo . |
29 Dec 2006 09:09:15 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:45:33 -0800, V wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo - view profile
Date: Wed, Dec 27 2006 6:00 pm
For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful little *****.
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V:
I am not a peace freak Mark nor am I spiteful.
There's the first lie.
At least I am not a
peace freak in the sense of a blissninny that is out to save the world.
And there's the second.
I work to be a peace freak with inner peace though. Once we are at peace
within then there is no need to harm others for fun and world peace is a
byproduct of this journey Mark. "Peace is just another name for the
integrity of being which enables man to respond to life without inner
conflict. A mind which is in pieces cannot be a mind at peace." -- B.
Phillips
But since you brought up the subject of peace I will address that topic.
Yeah, you're not out "save" people but you immediately start lecturing.
You're such a liar.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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If their omnipotent, omniscient (so they say) god wants me to
believe in him, then he should know what would prove his
existence to me. He hasn't done so yet, so there is no reason
to believe in him.
-Woden
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