Religions > Atheism > Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
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Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/22/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 11/23/2007 12:34:15 PM PST by wagglebee
SYDNEY, Australia, November 22, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A former
advisor to the British government and past president of the Royal
Society, Professor Lord Robert May, has called "encouraging" the fact
human fertility has fallen below replacement level around the world.
Speaking to a meeting of the Lowy Institute in Sydney Australia on
November 19, Lord May was quoted by The Australian saying that human
populations must continue to fall for the sake of the environment. A
priority, he said, was continued "education" of women to teach them
methods to have fewer children through artificial contraception. May
is a former chief scientific adviser to the British government and was
made a companion of the Order of Australia in 1998.
May lashed out at the Catholic Church saying, "In my view, religious
beliefs or other ideological prejudices prompt some major
international organizations to oppose contraception, forbidding
distribution of condoms or even advice about fertility control."
Lord May will likely get his wish if the current situation continues.
Global populations have been falling dramatically and few countries of
the developed world have a fertility rate higher than bare replacement
level. Recent statistics have shown that nearly 40 per cent of the
world's countries have fertility rates from 0 to 2.4 children born per
woman, whereas the bare minimum replacement level is 2.1.
A United Nations report showed in August this year that 28 per cent of
the world's countries allow abortion on demand. 84 per cent of the
wealthier countries allow abortion on eugenic grounds for "foetal
impairment"; 78 per cent allow it on "economic or social" grounds and
84 per cent of wealthy countries allow abortion in cases of rape or
incest.
But not everyone is as sanguine about humanity's impending self-
induced extinction. Mark Steyn wrote last year that the falling
fertility levels in Europe and the formerly Christian west will spell
the end of western civilization. "We are living through a remarkable
period: the self-extinction of the races who, for good or ill, shaped
the modern world," Steyn wrote.
"Much of what we loosely call the Western world will not survive this
century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our
lifetimes, including many if not most Western European
countries....Europe by the end of this century will be a continent
after the neutron bomb: The grand buildings will still be standing,
but the people who built them will be gone."
But Lord May will probably get his wish as more people, at least in
the wealthy post-Christian west, hear the message that more people is
a bad thing. The UK's Daily Mail reports today that British women have
been so completely indoctrinated by the environmentalist anti-human
docrtines that they are foregoing motherhood, including by aborting
their children, "for the planet."
In a bizarre interview with the Daily Mail's Natasha Courtenay-Smith,
35 year-old Toni Vernelli, an environmentalist and vegetarian, said
she had an abortion and had herself sterilized rather than bring a
child into the world.
Toni assured readers that her colleagues at the environmental charity
where she works share her extreme, socially suicidal anti-motherhood
views. She stated, "I didn't like having a termination, but it would
have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would
only be a burden to the world."
She said. "I've never felt a twinge of guilt about what I did, and
have honestly never wondered what might have been."
Courtenay-Smith wrote that Toni relished her decision "with an almost
religious zeal". "Having children is selfish. It's all about
maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet."
The exceptionally negative environmentalist creed was summed up by
Toni, "Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land,
more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more
pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-
population."
Her husband, she said, agreed with her conviction. "We both
passionately wanted to save the planet - not produce a new life which
would only add to the problem."
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26 Nov 2007 07:11:33 PM |
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In article <fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c1344c@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
As who would not?
-- cary
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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26 Nov 2007 07:43:32 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c1344c@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
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| User: "ta" |
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26 Nov 2007 07:54:13 PM |
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On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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28 Nov 2007 04:01:52 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e22a13ea-adf3-4488-b8f2-03a545346051@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article
<fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
Many political types wouldn't want the people to know that.
Corporations and governments derive their sustenance from the masses.
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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28 Nov 2007 04:17:46 PM |
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On Nov 28, 5:01 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e22a13ea-adf3-4488-b8f2-03a545346051@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article
<fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
Many political types wouldn't want the people to know that.
Corporations and governments derive their sustenance from the masses.
So do you , welfare leech.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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26 Nov 2007 09:18:32 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:13 -0800 (PST), ta <padlrnc@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
Good point.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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27 Nov 2007 12:49:54 PM |
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On Nov 26, 10:18 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:13 -0800 (PST), ta <padl...@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
Good point.- Hide quoted text -
Why do you think population reduction or childfree types is always
treated as loonies by the media?
More People mean the supply of labor is higher..pressuring lower wages
More people mean the demand for resources is higher...pressuring
higher prices for all tangible commodities.
Anyone who is affluent would naturally be inclined to try to continue
to have the population increase because it is in their financial
interest. This dovetails well with Nationalism and religon. All serve
to keep the masses poor, ignorant, and obedient.
Hatter
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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28 Nov 2007 04:03:35 PM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f0e270a0-d29e-4597-a850-3219f94ad39f@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 10:18 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:13 -0800 (PST), ta <padl...@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article
<fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population
Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
Good point.- Hide quoted text -
Why do you think population reduction or childfree types is always
treated as loonies by the media?
More People mean the supply of labor is higher..pressuring lower wages
More people mean the demand for resources is higher...pressuring
higher prices for all tangible commodities.
Anyone who is affluent would naturally be inclined to try to continue
to have the population increase because it is in their financial
interest. This dovetails well with Nationalism and religon. All serve
to keep the masses poor, ignorant, and obedient.
Maybe you have a clue now as to why roevwadeism only tries to keep the
masses poor, ignorant and obedient, while failing to gain obedience.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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28 Nov 2007 04:36:22 PM |
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In article <WAl3j.3773$Mu4.1769@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f0e270a0-d29e-4597-a850-3219f94ad39f@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 10:18 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:13 -0800 (PST), ta <padl...@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article
<fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population
Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
Good point.- Hide quoted text -
Why do you think population reduction or childfree types is always
treated as loonies by the media?
More People mean the supply of labor is higher..pressuring lower wages
More people mean the demand for resources is higher...pressuring
higher prices for all tangible commodities.
Anyone who is affluent would naturally be inclined to try to continue
to have the population increase because it is in their financial
interest. This dovetails well with Nationalism and religon. All serve
to keep the masses poor, ignorant, and obedient.
Maybe you have a clue now as to why roevwadeism only tries to keep the
masses poor, ignorant and obedient, while failing to gain obedience.
One may reasonably conclude that those who oppose the Roe versus Wade
decision are trying to keep the masses poor, ignorant and obedient.
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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28 Nov 2007 04:16:59 PM |
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On Nov 28, 5:03 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f0e270a0-d29e-4597-a850-3219f94ad39f@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 10:18 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:13 -0800 (PST), ta <padl...@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article
<fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population
Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
Good point.- Hide quoted text -
Why do you think population reduction or childfree types is always
treated as loonies by the media?
More People mean the supply of labor is higher..pressuring lower wages
More people mean the demand for resources is higher...pressuring
higher prices for all tangible commodities.
Anyone who is affluent would naturally be inclined to try to continue
to have the population increase because it is in their financial
interest. This dovetails well with Nationalism and religon. All serve
to keep the masses poor, ignorant, and obedient.
Maybe you have a clue now as to why roevwadeism only tries to keep the
masses poor, ignorant and obedient, while failing to gain obedience.
More likely, he now understands that you use "roevwadeism" as an
excuse to remain poor and ignorant.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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29 Nov 2007 10:29:24 AM |
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On Nov 28, 5:03 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f0e270a0-d29e-4597-a850-3219f94ad39f@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 10:18 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:13 -0800 (PST), ta <padl...@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article
<fc29b698-c842-4ac9-824f-d3aa64c13...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population
Collapse
As who would not?
Catholics.
As well as companies and their government accomplices who profit from
overpopulation. Growth is a religion, after all.
Good point.- Hide quoted text -
Why do you think population reduction or childfree types is always
treated as loonies by the media?
More People mean the supply of labor is higher..pressuring lower wages
More people mean the demand for resources is higher...pressuring
higher prices for all tangible commodities.
Anyone who is affluent would naturally be inclined to try to continue
to have the population increase because it is in their financial
interest. This dovetails well with Nationalism and religon. All serve
to keep the masses poor, ignorant, and obedient.
Maybe you have a clue now as to why roevwadeism only tries to keep the
masses poor, ignorant and obedient, while failing to gain obedience.- Hide quoted text -
Could you translate that into non-gibberish? Ohh that's right you are
Wentzy, forget me asking for something beyond your abilities.
Hatter
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| User: "3875 Dead" |
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26 Nov 2007 07:57:32 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:04:26 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<sound_of_trumpet@hotpop.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/22/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 11/23/2007 12:34:15 PM PST by wagglebee
SYDNEY, Australia, November 22, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A former
advisor to the British government and past president of the Royal
Society, Professor Lord Robert May, has called "encouraging" the fact
human fertility has fallen below replacement level around the world.
This is absolutely TERRIFIC news if it's true (consider the source).
We really need to get our population down to about three billion, and
birth control is the only way to do it that doesn't involve killing a
lot of people.
Speaking to a meeting of the Lowy Institute in Sydney Australia on
November 19, Lord May was quoted by The Australian saying that human
populations must continue to fall for the sake of the environment. A
priority, he said, was continued "education" of women to teach them
methods to have fewer children through artificial contraception. May
is a former chief scientific adviser to the British government and was
made a companion of the Order of Australia in 1998.
May lashed out at the Catholic Church saying, "In my view, religious
beliefs or other ideological prejudices prompt some major
international organizations to oppose contraception, forbidding
distribution of condoms or even advice about fertility control."
Lord May will likely get his wish if the current situation continues.
Global populations have been falling dramatically and few countries of
the developed world have a fertility rate higher than bare replacement
level. Recent statistics have shown that nearly 40 per cent of the
world's countries have fertility rates from 0 to 2.4 children born per
woman, whereas the bare minimum replacement level is 2.1.
A United Nations report showed in August this year that 28 per cent of
the world's countries allow abortion on demand. 84 per cent of the
wealthier countries allow abortion on eugenic grounds for "foetal
impairment"; 78 per cent allow it on "economic or social" grounds and
84 per cent of wealthy countries allow abortion in cases of rape or
incest.
But not everyone is as sanguine about humanity's impending self-
induced extinction. Mark Steyn wrote last year that the falling
fertility levels in Europe and the formerly Christian west will spell
the end of western civilization. "We are living through a remarkable
period: the self-extinction of the races who, for good or ill, shaped
the modern world," Steyn wrote.
"Much of what we loosely call the Western world will not survive this
century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our
lifetimes, including many if not most Western European
countries....Europe by the end of this century will be a continent
after the neutron bomb: The grand buildings will still be standing,
but the people who built them will be gone."
But Lord May will probably get his wish as more people, at least in
the wealthy post-Christian west, hear the message that more people is
a bad thing. The UK's Daily Mail reports today that British women have
been so completely indoctrinated by the environmentalist anti-human
docrtines that they are foregoing motherhood, including by aborting
their children, "for the planet."
In a bizarre interview with the Daily Mail's Natasha Courtenay-Smith,
35 year-old Toni Vernelli, an environmentalist and vegetarian, said
she had an abortion and had herself sterilized rather than bring a
child into the world.
Toni assured readers that her colleagues at the environmental charity
where she works share her extreme, socially suicidal anti-motherhood
views. She stated, "I didn't like having a termination, but it would
have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would
only be a burden to the world."
She said. "I've never felt a twinge of guilt about what I did, and
have honestly never wondered what might have been."
Courtenay-Smith wrote that Toni relished her decision "with an almost
religious zeal". "Having children is selfish. It's all about
maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet."
The exceptionally negative environmentalist creed was summed up by
Toni, "Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land,
more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more
pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-
population."
Her husband, she said, agreed with her conviction. "We both
passionately wanted to save the planet - not produce a new life which
would only add to the problem."
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27 Nov 2007 08:57:39 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:57:32 -0800, 3875 Dead wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:04:26 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<sound_of_trumpet@hotpop.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/22/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 11/23/2007 12:34:15 PM PST by wagglebee
SYDNEY, Australia, November 22, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A former
advisor to the British government and past president of the Royal
Society, Professor Lord Robert May, has called "encouraging" the fact
human fertility has fallen below replacement level around the world.
This is absolutely TERRIFIC news if it's true (consider the source).
Definitely. At one point, we were looking at a peak of 10 billion or
more. Projections have been lowered recently but it would still be better
if we were hitting the peak now and started drifting back down to
something more reasonable before we crap ourselves to death.
(No, really, feces are a worldwide problem now. Beaches and lakes are
turning toxic because we're dealing with nearly seven billion, heh,
shits...)
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Just because it's inexplicted doesn't mean it's inexplicable."
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27 Nov 2007 04:30:13 PM |
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On Nov 26, 8:57 pm, 3875 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:04:26 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/22/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 11/23/2007 12:34:15 PM PST by wagglebee
SYDNEY, Australia, November 22, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A former
advisor to the British government and past president of the Royal
Society, Professor Lord Robert May, has called "encouraging" the fact
human fertility has fallen below replacement level around the world.
This is absolutely TERRIFIC news if it's true (consider the source).
We really need to get our population down to about three billion, and
birth control is the only way to do it that doesn't involve killing a
lot of people.
Speaking to a meeting of the Lowy Institute in Sydney Australia on
November 19, Lord May was quoted by The Australian saying that human
populations must continue to fall for the sake of the environment. A
priority, he said, was continued "education" of women to teach them
methods to have fewer children through artificial contraception. May
is a former chief scientific adviser to the British government and was
made a companion of the Order of Australia in 1998.
May lashed out at the Catholic Church saying, "In my view, religious
beliefs or other ideological prejudices prompt some major
international organizations to oppose contraception, forbidding
distribution of condoms or even advice about fertility control."
Lord May will likely get his wish if the current situation continues.
Global populations have been falling dramatically and few countries of
the developed world have a fertility rate higher than bare replacement
level. Recent statistics have shown that nearly 40 per cent of the
world's countries have fertility rates from 0 to 2.4 children born per
woman, whereas the bare minimum replacement level is 2.1.
A United Nations report showed in August this year that 28 per cent of
the world's countries allow abortion on demand. 84 per cent of the
wealthier countries allow abortion on eugenic grounds for "foetal
impairment"; 78 per cent allow it on "economic or social" grounds and
84 per cent of wealthy countries allow abortion in cases of rape or
incest.
But not everyone is as sanguine about humanity's impending self-
induced extinction. Mark Steyn wrote last year that the falling
fertility levels in Europe and the formerly Christian west will spell
the end of western civilization. "We are living through a remarkable
period: the self-extinction of the races who, for good or ill, shaped
the modern world," Steyn wrote.
"Much of what we loosely call the Western world will not survive this
century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our
lifetimes, including many if not most Western European
countries....Europe by the end of this century will be a continent
after the neutron bomb: The grand buildings will still be standing,
but the people who built them will be gone."
But Lord May will probably get his wish as more people, at least in
the wealthy post-Christian west, hear the message that more people is
a bad thing. The UK's Daily Mail reports today that British women have
been so completely indoctrinated by the environmentalist anti-human
docrtines that they are foregoing motherhood, including by aborting
their children, "for the planet."
In a bizarre interview with the Daily Mail's Natasha Courtenay-Smith,
35 year-old Toni Vernelli, an environmentalist and vegetarian, said
she had an abortion and had herself sterilized rather than bring a
child into the world.
Toni assured readers that her colleagues at the environmental charity
where she works share her extreme, socially suicidal anti-motherhood
views. She stated, "I didn't like having a termination, but it would
have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would
only be a burden to the world."
She said. "I've never felt a twinge of guilt about what I did, and
have honestly never wondered what might have been."
Courtenay-Smith wrote that Toni relished her decision "with an almost
religious zeal". "Having children is selfish. It's all about
maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet."
The exceptionally negative environmentalist creed was summed up by
Toni, "Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land,
more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more
pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-
population."
Her husband, she said, agreed with her conviction. "We both
passionately wanted to save the planet - not produce a new life which
would only add to the problem."
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827(From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has
become. I just can't. It just makes me sick to think all those years
of supporting this party, and this is what it has become. Even if you
don't like the S-Chip expansion, it is hard to deny what Republicans
are- a bunch of bitter, nasty, petty, snarling, sneering, vicious
thugs, peering through people's windows so they can make fun of their
misfortune.
I'm registering Independent tomorrow."
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson- Hide quoted text -
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i have a proposal forthe pop crisis we destroy our infastrcture
on north america then move everyone tu asia for a thousand yeers
people will die by plauge in asia lowering out pop then moving
everyone to africa for athousand yeers and so on and so forth until
the earth has regenerated and our pop is far lower
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27 Nov 2007 10:30:46 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:30:13 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:57 pm, 3875 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:04:26 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/22/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 11/23/2007 12:34:15 PM PST by wagglebee
SYDNEY, Australia, November 22, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A former
advisor to the British government and past president of the Royal
Society, Professor Lord Robert May, has called "encouraging" the fact
human fertility has fallen below replacement level around the world.
This is absolutely TERRIFIC news if it's true (consider the source).
We really need to get our population down to about three billion, and
birth control is the only way to do it that doesn't involve killing a
lot of people.
Speaking to a meeting of the Lowy Institute in Sydney Australia on
November 19, Lord May was quoted by The Australian saying that human
populations must continue to fall for the sake of the environment. A
priority, he said, was continued "education" of women to teach them
methods to have fewer children through artificial contraception. May
is a former chief scientific adviser to the British government and was
made a companion of the Order of Australia in 1998.
May lashed out at the Catholic Church saying, "In my view, religious
beliefs or other ideological prejudices prompt some major
international organizations to oppose contraception, forbidding
distribution of condoms or even advice about fertility control."
Lord May will likely get his wish if the current situation continues.
Global populations have been falling dramatically and few countries of
the developed world have a fertility rate higher than bare replacement
level. Recent statistics have shown that nearly 40 per cent of the
world's countries have fertility rates from 0 to 2.4 children born per
woman, whereas the bare minimum replacement level is 2.1.
A United Nations report showed in August this year that 28 per cent of
the world's countries allow abortion on demand. 84 per cent of the
wealthier countries allow abortion on eugenic grounds for "foetal
impairment"; 78 per cent allow it on "economic or social" grounds and
84 per cent of wealthy countries allow abortion in cases of rape or
incest.
But not everyone is as sanguine about humanity's impending self-
induced extinction. Mark Steyn wrote last year that the falling
fertility levels in Europe and the formerly Christian west will spell
the end of western civilization. "We are living through a remarkable
period: the self-extinction of the races who, for good or ill, shaped
the modern world," Steyn wrote.
"Much of what we loosely call the Western world will not survive this
century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our
lifetimes, including many if not most Western European
countries....Europe by the end of this century will be a continent
after the neutron bomb: The grand buildings will still be standing,
but the people who built them will be gone."
But Lord May will probably get his wish as more people, at least in
the wealthy post-Christian west, hear the message that more people is
a bad thing. The UK's Daily Mail reports today that British women have
been so completely indoctrinated by the environmentalist anti-human
docrtines that they are foregoing motherhood, including by aborting
their children, "for the planet."
In a bizarre interview with the Daily Mail's Natasha Courtenay-Smith,
35 year-old Toni Vernelli, an environmentalist and vegetarian, said
she had an abortion and had herself sterilized rather than bring a
child into the world.
Toni assured readers that her colleagues at the environmental charity
where she works share her extreme, socially suicidal anti-motherhood
views. She stated, "I didn't like having a termination, but it would
have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would
only be a burden to the world."
She said. "I've never felt a twinge of guilt about what I did, and
have honestly never wondered what might have been."
Courtenay-Smith wrote that Toni relished her decision "with an almost
religious zeal". "Having children is selfish. It's all about
maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet."
The exceptionally negative environmentalist creed was summed up by
Toni, "Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land,
more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more
pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-
population."
Her husband, she said, agreed with her conviction. "We both
passionately wanted to save the planet - not produce a new life which
would only add to the problem."
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827(From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has
become. I just can't. It just makes me sick to think all those years
of supporting this party, and this is what it has become. Even if you
don't like the S-Chip expansion, it is hard to deny what Republicans
are- a bunch of bitter, nasty, petty, snarling, sneering, vicious
thugs, peering through people's windows so they can make fun of their
misfortune.
I'm registering Independent tomorrow."
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson- Hide quoted text -
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i have a proposal forthe pop crisis we destroy our infastrcture
on north america then move everyone tu asia for a thousand yeers
people will die by plauge in asia lowering out pop then moving
everyone to africa for athousand yeers and so on and so forth until
the earth has regenerated and our pop is far lower
You are a professional philosopher, I assume, by your spelling,
grammar and punctuation?
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26 Nov 2007 11:53:05 PM |
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On Nov 26, 5:04 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some
event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the
inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a
series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in
question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or
gradations will simply be bypassed.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
As the population beins to decline signifigantly will people continue
to desire abortions at the same rate with the knowledge that ther
numbers are going down? I mean if there were only a few thousand
people left could many really want abortions?
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27 Nov 2007 09:08:52 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:04 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some
event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the
inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a
series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question
and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations
will simply be bypassed.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
As the population beins to decline signifigantly will people continue to
desire abortions at the same rate with the knowledge that ther numbers
are going down? I mean if there were only a few thousand people left
could many really want abortions?
Not to mention this "collapse" is in terms of decades. We're still
talking hitting 8 or 9 billion by mid-century. At the rate we're going,
the decline won't hit until sometime in the 22nd or 23rd century.
Yeah, let's run around in a panic now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "tg" |
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27 Nov 2007 09:48:41 AM |
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On Nov 27, 10:08 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:04 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some
event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the
inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a
series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question
and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations
will simply be bypassed.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
As the population beins to decline signifigantly will people continue to
desire abortions at the same rate with the knowledge that ther numbers
are going down? I mean if there were only a few thousand people left
could many really want abortions?
Answering Mort: People don't desire abortions. They desire to decide
how many kids they have.
Not to mention this "collapse" is in terms of decades. We're still
talking hitting 8 or 9 billion by mid-century. At the rate we're going,
the decline won't hit until sometime in the 22nd or 23rd century.
Yeah, let's run around in a panic now...
If the peak is around 2050, then "decline" will start then---getting
to a reasonable number is what will take a while. But consider that if
we started a world-wide one-child policy today, (the original quote
referred to female replacement rate, I believe, which isn't the same
as replacement rate) there would be a good chance of reaching 3
billion by the end of the century.
We can be optimistic about the mechanics of it, if not the politics.
For every woman that gets empowered economically and educationally,
the knock-on effect is quite powerful. For every child not born, the
existing ones will be more affluent and so less inclined to over-
reproduce.
Good luck to those who will be around in 42 years.
-tg
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both."
- H. L. Mencken
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27 Nov 2007 10:39:36 AM |
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On Nov 27, 10:48 am, tg <tgdenn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:08 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:04 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some
event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the
inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a
series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question
and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations
will simply be bypassed.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
As the population beins to decline signifigantly will people continue to
desire abortions at the same rate with the knowledge that ther numbers
are going down? I mean if there were only a few thousand people left
could many really want abortions?
Answering Mort: People don't desire abortions. They desire to decide
how many kids they have.
Not to mention this "collapse" is in terms of decades. We're still
talking hitting 8 or 9 billion by mid-century. At the rate we're going,
the decline won't hit until sometime in the 22nd or 23rd century.
Yeah, let's run around in a panic now...
If the peak is around 2050, then "decline" will start then---getting
to a reasonable number is what will take a while. But consider that if
we started a world-wide one-child policy today, (the original quote
referred to female replacement rate, I believe, which isn't the same
as replacement rate) there would be a good chance of reaching 3
billion by the end of the century.
We can be optimistic about the mechanics of it, if not the politics.
For every woman that gets empowered economically and educationally,
the knock-on effect is quite powerful. For every child not born, the
existing ones will be more affluent and so less inclined to over-
reproduce.
Good luck to those who will be around in 42 years.
-tg
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both."
- H. L. Mencken- Hide quoted text -
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A one child policy is nuts. Assuming you happen to like your standard
of living (or desire a better one), reducing the working population
will only mean that in your old age that you either will get no
services OR it will cost substantially more then it does today. Since
I would like to retire some day (and want this for my children as
well) and in that retirement I dont want to be reduced to poverty, I
would not support a plan that calls for the reduction of the
workforce. The solution to population numbers is technology. Also
since population growth is marginal in most "first" world countries,
what people are really talking about is curbing population growth in
"thrid" world countries. Just how would you implement this?
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27 Nov 2007 05:33:16 PM |
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On Nov 27, 11:39 am, wrote:
Also
since population growth is marginal in most "first" world countries,
what people are really talking about is curbing population growth in
"thrid" world countries. Just how would you implement this?
According to what I read, television did the trick in Brazil.
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| User: "tg" |
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27 Nov 2007 11:48:31 AM |
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On Nov 27, 11:39 am, wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:48 am, tg <tgdenn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:08 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:04 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some
event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the
inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a
series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question
and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations
will simply be bypassed.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
As the population beins to decline signifigantly will people continue to
desire abortions at the same rate with the knowledge that ther numbers
are going down? I mean if there were only a few thousand people left
could many really want abortions?
Answering Mort: People don't desire abortions. They desire to decide
how many kids they have.
Not to mention this "collapse" is in terms of decades. We're still
talking hitting 8 or 9 billion by mid-century. At the rate we're going,
the decline won't hit until sometime in the 22nd or 23rd century.
Yeah, let's run around in a panic now...
If the peak is around 2050, then "decline" will start then---getting
to a reasonable number is what will take a while. But consider that if
we started a world-wide one-child policy today, (the original quote
referred to female replacement rate, I believe, which isn't the same
as replacement rate) there would be a good chance of reaching 3
billion by the end of the century.
We can be optimistic about the mechanics of it, if not the politics.
For every woman that gets empowered economically and educationally,
the knock-on effect is quite powerful. For every child not born, the
existing ones will be more affluent and so less inclined to over-
reproduce.
Good luck to those who will be around in 42 years.
-tg
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both."
- H. L. Mencken- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
A one child policy is nuts. Assuming you happen to like your standard
of living (or desire a better one), reducing the working population
will only mean that in your old age that you either will get no
services OR it will cost substantially more then it does today. Since
I would like to retire some day (and want this for my children as
well) and in that retirement I dont want to be reduced to poverty, I
would not support a plan that calls for the reduction of the
workforce. The solution to population numbers is technology.
Yes, the solution to a declining population is technology. You
obviously don't believe in the efficacy of the free market, or you
would understand that.
-tg
Also
since population growth is marginal in most "first" world countries,
what people are really talking about is curbing population growth in
"thrid" world countries. Just how would you implement this?
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27 Nov 2007 07:02:37 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:39:36 -0800, MichaelNJ wrote:
Also
since population growth is marginal in most "first" world countries,
what people are really talking about is curbing population growth in
"thrid" world countries. Just how would you implement this?
Raise them to first world status. The problem takes care of itself...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“...The only really respectable Protestants are the
Fundamentalists. Unfortunately, they are also palpable idiots...”
- H. L. Mencken
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27 Nov 2007 10:31:49 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:02:37 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:39:36 -0800, MichaelNJ wrote:
Also
since population growth is marginal in most "first" world countries,
what people are really talking about is curbing population growth in
"thrid" world countries. Just how would you implement this?
Raise them to first world status. The problem takes care of itself...
What? Bring them "Democracy", just like Iraq?
Yeah, I see what you mean!
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28 Nov 2007 09:03:47 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:49 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:02:37 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:39:36 -0800, MichaelNJ wrote:
Also
since population growth is marginal in most "first" world countries,
what people are really talking about is curbing population growth in
"thrid" world countries. Just how would you implement this?
Raise them to first world status. The problem takes care of itself...
What? Bring them "Democracy", just like Iraq? Yeah, I see what you mean!
Erm... no. That isn't raising anything but a lot of dust and rubble...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
we will all be!"
http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html
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28 Nov 2007 03:58:07 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:03:47 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:49 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:02:37 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:39:36 -0800, MichaelNJ wrote:
Also
since population growth is marginal in most "first" world countries,
what people are really talking about is curbing population growth in
"thrid" world countries. Just how would you implement this?
Raise them to first world status. The problem takes care of itself...
What? Bring them "Democracy", just like Iraq? Yeah, I see what you mean!
Erm... no. That isn't raising anything but a lot of dust and rubble...
Mission Accomplished!
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| User: "ta" |
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27 Nov 2007 10:19:47 AM |
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On Nov 27, 10:48 am, tg <tgdenn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:08 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:04 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some
event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the
inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a
series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question
and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations
will simply be bypassed.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
As the population beins to decline signifigantly will people continue to
desire abortions at the same rate with the knowledge that ther numbers
are going down? I mean if there were only a few thousand people left
could many really want abortions?
Answering Mort: People don't desire abortions. They desire to decide
how many kids they have.
Not to mention this "collapse" is in terms of decades. We're still
talking hitting 8 or 9 billion by mid-century. At the rate we're going,
the decline won't hit until sometime in the 22nd or 23rd century.
Yeah, let's run around in a panic now...
If the peak is around 2050, then "decline" will start then---getting
to a reasonable number is what will take a while. But consider that if
we started a world-wide one-child policy today, (the original quote
referred to female replacement rate, I believe, which isn't the same
as replacement rate) there would be a good chance of reaching 3
billion by the end of the century.
Have there been any studies done on the social/psychological effects
of such a policy? Given China's current policy, I would imagine there
would be.
In principle of course I'm on board, but I worry about how society
will transform socially with a planet full of one-child families.
We can be optimistic about the mechanics of it, if not the politics.
For every woman that gets empowered economically and educationally,
the knock-on effect is quite powerful. For every child not born, the
existing ones will be more affluent and so less inclined to over-
reproduce.
Good luck to those who will be around in 42 years.
-tg
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both."
- H. L. Mencken
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27 Nov 2007 10:54:52 AM |
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On Nov 27, 11:19 am, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:48 am, tg <tgdenn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:08 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:04 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some
event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the
inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a
series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question
and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations
will simply be bypassed.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
As the population beins to decline signifigantly will people continue to
desire abortions at the same rate with the knowledge that ther numbers
are going down? I mean if there were only a few thousand people left
could many really want abortions?
Answering Mort: People don't desire abortions. They desire to decide
how many kids they have.
Not to mention this "collapse" is in terms of decades. We're still
talking hitting 8 or 9 billion by mid-century. At the rate we're going,
the decline won't hit until sometime in the 22nd or 23rd century.
Yeah, let's run around in a panic now...
If the peak is around 2050, then "decline" will start then---getting
to a reasonable number is what will take a while. But consider that if
we started a world-wide one-child policy today, (the original quote
referred to female replacement rate, I believe, which isn't the same
as replacement rate) there would be a good chance of reaching 3
billion by the end of the century.
Have there been any studies done on the social/psychological effects
of such a policy? Given China's current policy, I would imagine there
would be.
To answer my own question, here's an article after doing a quick
google:
http://family.jrank.org/pages/1224/Only-Children.html
In principle of course I'm on board, but I worry about how society
will transform socially with a planet full of one-child families.
We can be optimistic about the mechanics of it, if not the politics.
For every woman that gets empowered economically and educationally,
the knock-on effect is quite powerful. For every child not born, the
existing ones will be more affluent and so less inclined to over-
reproduce.
Good luck to those who will be around in 42 years.
-tg
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "tg" |
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| Title: Re: Former British Government Advisor Applauds World PopulationCollapse |
27 Nov 2007 11:54:53 AM |
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On Nov 27, 11:54 am, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 11:19 am, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:48 am, tg <tgdenn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:08 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:04 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@hotpop.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929714/posts
Former British Government Advisor Applauds World Population Collapse
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some
event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the
inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a
series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question
and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations
will simply be bypassed.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
As the population beins to decline signifigantly will people continue to
desire abortions at the same rate with the knowledge that ther numbers
are going down? I mean if there were only a few thousand people left
could many really want abortions?
Answering Mort: People don't desire abortions. They desire to decide
how many kids they have.
Not to mention this "collapse" is in terms of decades. We're still
talking hitting 8 or 9 billion by mid-century. At the rate we're going,
the decline won't hit until sometime in the 22nd or 23rd century.
Yeah, let's run around in a panic now...
If the peak is around 2050, then "decline" will start then---getting
to a reasonable number is what will take a while. But consider that if
we started a world-wide one-child policy today, (the original quote
referred to female replacement rate, I believe, which isn't the same
as replacement rate) there would be a good chance of reaching 3
billion by the end of the century.
Have there been any studies done on the social/psychological effects
of such a policy? Given China's current policy, I would imagine there
would be.
To answer my own question, here's an article after doing a quick
google:
http://family.jrank.org/pages/1224/Only-Children.html
OHMYGOD. A world full of high achievers!
I don't think it is reasonable to expect useful data on China at this
point---there's so much else going on that isolating effects would be
difficult.
In a more general and speculative vein, I think that my futurist
scenarios point to greater concentration of population, and with
children so valuable to the society, the odds are that 'extended
family' will develop in some form or other.
-tg
-tg
In principle of course I'm on board, but I worry about how society
will transform socially with a planet full of one-child families.
We can be optimistic about the mechanics of it, if not the politics.
For every woman that gets empowered economically and educationally,
the knock-on effect is quite powerful. For every child not born, the
existing ones will be more affluent and so less inclined to over-
reproduce.
Good luck to those who will be around in 42 years.
-tg
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both."
- H. L. Mencken
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