Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:J4BEe.5077$dM3.2506@trnddc04:

Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:pxvEe.1661$mU3.1357@trnddc02:

Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:fEmEe.740$vY2.579@trnddc09:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in news:M-
SdnZhgSJvJCHzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072105Z.shtml

Why aren't the media and the other hypocrites among the
Democrats all up in arms about *THIS* leak?

Possibly because, once the leak occurred, the memo was no longer
secret...?

Ah, so when Plame's identity was leaked in the mid-90s, that was
no longer secret either, right?

Yet you cannot prove this assertion, no matter how many times I ask
you for it. You dodged saying that Aldrich Ames did it, and when I
told you that there was no proof that Ames did it, you dodged.

I gave you the citations. You blew them off.

Where? On a blogger website? *snicker*

You think truthout.org is any more reliable?

No.

Try reality, Fred. It's neat.

If you weren't trying so hard to deny reality, Daniel, your
exhortation would be a lot more credible.

Sorry if you don't think that I'm in reality, but when you're blinded
by the plank in your own eye, there's not much I can really do.

That's how I feel about you, Daniel, when you display no cognizance
of the simplest forms of media manipulation.

And yet I don't read media websites nor watch the news. See, there's
something call "the Internet." I use it a lot.

Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:_XBEe.5104$dM3.3046@trnddc04:

Uncle Buck wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:56:37 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:fEmEe.740$vY2.579@trnddc09:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in news:M-
SdnZhgSJvJCHzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072105Z.shtml

Why aren't the media and the other hypocrites among the
Democrats all up in arms about *THIS* leak?

Possibly because, once the leak occurred, the memo was no longer
secret...?

Ah, so when Plame's identity was leaked in the mid-90s, that was
no longer secret either, right?

Yet you cannot prove this assertion, no matter how many times I ask
you for it. You dodged saying that Aldrich Ames did it, and when I
told you that there was no proof that Ames did it, you dodged.

Try reality, Fred. It's neat.

Daniel, is English your native language? :-?

Yes. Yes it is.

I am not making fun of
you if it isn't, but the "argument" you are having with Fred really
doesn't look good for you if you properly understand both what you
said and what he said in response. Did you perhaps mean to say,
"Possibly because, by the time the leak occurred, the memo was no
longer secret anyway...?"

Yes. That is what I meant.

It's the only way your argument could make
sense. Also, Fred's right - when Plame's identity was leaked, it
would by default have _become_ non-secret.

The problem is Fred's assertion that her identity was leaked in the
mid-90s.

It doesn't mean that they
weren't leaking a secret, it means that by leaking it, it was no
_longer_ a secret, i.e. the act of leaking it made it public
knowledge, even if it wasn't public knowledge prior to that point.

Yes. But I have yet to see any evidence to this fact.

You refused to even *look* at the evidence that I cited.

Liar.

Fred, much as I loathe virtually every political stance he has on
just about any issue, is absolutely correct in his statement.

Agreed, but he keeps saying that the leak ocurred in the mid-90s and,
whenever I ask for proof of this, he yields to the Aldrich Ames case
which proves nothing.

SHE WAS BROUGHT HOME BECAUSE OF THAT CASE, DANIEL. THAT'S PROOF
ENOUGH RIGHT THERE.

Nope. Not proof enough. What? You think that posting your
assertions in caps is going to make me believe it?

Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:_XBEe.5104$dM3.3046@trnddc04:

Uncle Buck wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:56:37 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:fEmEe.740$vY2.579@trnddc09:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in news:M-
SdnZhgSJvJCHzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072105Z.shtml

Why aren't the media and the other hypocrites among the Democrats
all up in arms about *THIS* leak?

Possibly because, once the leak occurred, the memo was no longer
secret...?

Ah, so when Plame's identity was leaked in the mid-90s, that was no
longer secret either, right?

Yet you cannot prove this assertion, no matter how many times I ask
you for it. You dodged saying that Aldrich Ames did it, and when I
told you that there was no proof that Ames did it, you dodged.

Try reality, Fred. It's neat.

Daniel, is English your native language? :-?

Yes. Yes it is.

I am not making fun of
you if it isn't, but the "argument" you are having with Fred really
doesn't look good for you if you properly understand both what you
said and what he said in response. Did you perhaps mean to say,
"Possibly because, by the time the leak occurred, the memo was no
longer secret anyway...?"

Yes. That is what I meant.

It's the only way your argument could make
sense. Also, Fred's right - when Plame's identity was leaked, it
would by default have _become_ non-secret.

The problem is Fred's assertion that her identity was leaked in the
mid-90s.

It doesn't mean that they
weren't leaking a secret, it means that by leaking it, it was no
_longer_ a secret, i.e. the act of leaking it made it public
knowledge, even if it wasn't public knowledge prior to that point.

Yes. But I have yet to see any evidence to this fact.

You refused to even *look* at the evidence that I cited.

Liar.

Fred, much as I loathe virtually every political stance he has on
just about any issue, is absolutely correct in his statement.

Agreed, but he keeps saying that the leak ocurred in the mid-90s and,
whenever I ask for proof of this, he yields to the Aldrich Ames case
which proves nothing.

SHE WAS BROUGHT HOME BECAUSE OF THAT CASE, DANIEL. THAT'S PROOF ENOUGH
RIGHT THERE.

Nope. Not proof enough. What? You think that posting your assertions
in caps is going to make me believe it?

Uncle Buck wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:14:34 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:

Uncle Buck wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:56:37 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:fEmEe.740$vY2.579@trnddc09:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in news:M-
SdnZhgSJvJCHzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072105Z.shtml

Why aren't the media and the other hypocrites among the
Democrats all up in arms about *THIS* leak?

Possibly because, once the leak occurred, the memo was no longer
secret...?

Ah, so when Plame's identity was leaked in the mid-90s, that was
no longer secret either, right?

Yet you cannot prove this assertion, no matter how many times I ask
you for it. You dodged saying that Aldrich Ames did it, and when I
told you that there was no proof that Ames did it, you dodged.

Try reality, Fred. It's neat.

Daniel, is English your native language? :-?

Yes. Yes it is.

I am not making fun of
you if it isn't, but the "argument" you are having with Fred really
doesn't look good for you if you properly understand both what you
said and what he said in response. Did you perhaps mean to say,
"Possibly because, by the time the leak occurred, the memo was no
longer secret anyway...?"

Yes. That is what I meant.

It's the only way your argument could make
sense. Also, Fred's right - when Plame's identity was leaked, it
would by default have _become_ non-secret.

The problem is Fred's assertion that her identity was leaked in the
mid-90s.

D'OH! Okay, yeah, English is _my_ first language... ;-) Sorry, I
completely misinterpretted what you were getting at. I shall refrain
from commenting again - I think it's in my own best interests. ;-)

Not a problem. Textual communication has limitations. We are limited
to smileys and other emoticons, but do not have the luxury of hand and
facial gestures. Sometimes, meanings can be lost, which I why I
communicated with Fred for so long; I thought I wasn't getting my
point across.

Finally, when I found out that Fred refused to listen, and his
continued insistence on childish insults against those that disagreed
with him, I concluded that Fred was not interested in rational
discourse and I was wasting my time talking to him. I was, in fact,
getting my point across, but it didn't matter.

Uncle Buck wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:14:34 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
wrote:

Uncle Buck wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:56:37 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:fEmEe.740$vY2.579@trnddc09:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in news:M-
SdnZhgSJvJCHzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072105Z.shtml

Why aren't the media and the other hypocrites among the Democrats all
up in arms about *THIS* leak?

Possibly because, once the leak occurred, the memo was no longer
secret...?

Ah, so when Plame's identity was leaked in the mid-90s, that was no
longer secret either, right?

Yet you cannot prove this assertion, no matter how many times I ask you
for it. You dodged saying that Aldrich Ames did it, and when I told you
that there was no proof that Ames did it, you dodged.

Try reality, Fred. It's neat.

Daniel, is English your native language? :-?

Yes. Yes it is.

I am not making fun of
you if it isn't, but the "argument" you are having with Fred really
doesn't look good for you if you properly understand both what you
said and what he said in response. Did you perhaps mean to say,
"Possibly because, by the time the leak occurred, the memo was no
longer secret anyway...?"

Yes. That is what I meant.

It's the only way your argument could make
sense. Also, Fred's right - when Plame's identity was leaked, it
would by default have _become_ non-secret.

The problem is Fred's assertion that her identity was leaked in the mid-90s.

D'OH! Okay, yeah, English is _my_ first language... ;-) Sorry, I
completely misinterpretted what you were getting at. I shall refrain
from commenting again - I think it's in my own best interests. ;-)

Not a problem. Textual communication has limitations. We are limited
to smileys and other emoticons, but do not have the luxury of hand and
facial gestures. Sometimes, meanings can be lost, which I why I
communicated with Fred for so long; I thought I wasn't getting my point
across.

Finally, when I found out that Fred refused to listen, and his continued
insistence on childish insults against those that disagreed with him,
I concluded that Fred was not interested in rational discourse and I was
wasting my time talking to him. I was, in fact, getting my point
across, but it didn't matter.