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Former judge: Rights come from God |
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/11/21/news/top_news/a24d0b3c5a535bef862570c0001716ef.txt
Former judge: Rights come from God
Says federal judiciary incorrect, arrogant
BY ELIZABETH EAKEN
This story ran on nwitimes.com on Monday, November 21, 2005 12:05 AM CST
Roy Moore, the former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice dismissed for
refusing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from a courthouse, is
calling on Americans to get educated on their First Amendment rights.
Moore, who is now running in the Republican primary for governor in
Alabama, gave a two-part presentation Sunday at the First Baptist Church in
Hammond about the interpretation of the First Amendment in the nation's
courtrooms. Moore said he talks about the "arrogance and unlawful acts of
the federal district courts across the land."
His appearance was the last of the church's seven-week "I Pledge
Allegiance" series.
Moore told the congregation that the separation of church and state doesn't
mean the separation of God and government.
"We've got to wake up biblically, historically and legally," Moore told the
crowd at the church.
Moore noted in the 1931 opinion of the Supreme Court of the U.S. in the
case U.S. versus Macintosh, religion is defined as a person's view of his
relations to his creator. He noted the opinion says you cannot talk of
religious liberty without assuring the existence of a belief in supreme
allegiance to the will of God.
"Religious liberty is from God," Moore said.
Prior to speaking to the church audience, Moore said he knows his dismissal
from the bench was God's will. Moore said he is using his experience to
show people the consequences the nation faces when the federal courts
"forbid you from acknowledging God."
Moore said many judges and lawyers today aren't well versed in First
Amendment law. He said they are distorting the law to "remove God," and
accuses many judges of ruling by their feelings not by the written
statutes.
Moore argues there would be no First Amendment and the U.S. wouldn't exist
without God.
Moore said in addition to staying informed, anyone concerned about these
issues should pray.
He also advises people to contact their congressman and tell them to
support the 2005 Constitution Restoration Act (HB 1070, SB 520).
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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22 Nov 2005 07:38:15 PM |
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(snip)
"Religious liberty is from God," Moore said.
(snip)
Oh, the abject stupidity inherent in that single sound-bite is truely
staggering.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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23 Nov 2005 05:19:08 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:I8KdnUVwguk47h7enZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@io.com...
(snip)
"Religious liberty is from God," Moore said.
(snip)
Oh, the abject stupidity inherent in that single sound-bite is truely
staggering.
You most certainly must be referring to yourself. And you're being far
too kind.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - Thomas
Jefferson
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Former judge: Rights come from God |
24 Nov 2005 04:30:28 AM |
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Is that why you're stupid enough not to insist on anything more,
U.T.?
Paul
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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23 Nov 2005 09:23:39 AM |
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"Unpleasant Truth" <no.one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:VYSgf.14144$xu.468@fed1read01...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:I8KdnUVwguk47h7enZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@io.com...
(snip)
"Religious liberty is from God," Moore said.
(snip)
Oh, the abject stupidity inherent in that single sound-bite is truely
staggering.
You most certainly must be referring to yourself.
No, I think it is quite clear that I am referring to Mr. Moore. Everyone
else understands that, why not you?
And you're being far
too kind.
There you are correct. Moore is a bigoted ***** as well as abjectly
stupid.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - Thomas
Jefferson
Awww. No mention of religious liberty, which might support your position.
Must suck to be you.
So let me get this straight, you think that religious liberty, the liberty
to worship any god you like, comes from the same god-character that is said
to have written "Thou shalt have no other gods before me".
You are one stupid *****.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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23 Nov 2005 04:29:35 PM |
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"Unpleasant Truth" <no.one@nowhere.com> wrote:
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:|"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
:|news:I8KdnUVwguk47h7enZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@io.com...
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:|> (snip)
:|> > "Religious liberty is from God," Moore said.
:|> (snip)
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:|> Oh, the abject stupidity inherent in that single sound-bite is truely
:|> staggering.
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:|You most certainly must be referring to yourself. And you're being far
:|too kind.
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:|"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
:|that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights,
:|that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - Thomas
:|Jefferson
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The Declaration of Independence (1776)
* Introduction
* Jefferson's Declaration of Independence did not use the word
"Creator"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doitj.htm
* Declaration of Independence: Its Purpose
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doipurp.htm
* Lincoln's reinventing of the Declaration of Independence
* The United States Supreme Court and the Declaration of Independence
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doisussc.htm
* An analysis of the Declaration of Independence
o Declaration of Independence: Preamble
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doi-pream.htm
o Declaration of Independence is not law
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doinotlaw.htm
o The Declaration of Independence Didn't Create Independence,
Didn't "Found" Anything, Didn't Separate Anything: It Was an Explanation
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doiexplain.htm
"Founding" Documents and Religion (1776-1791)
* Founding Documents and Religion, DOI, AOC, Constitution, BORs
o A Big Fuss Over Nothing: An analysis of real and imagined
references to God, Christianity and Religion and lack thereof in obvious
places in five documents from the founding period of our history: the
Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, Northwest
Ordinance, Federalist Papers, Constitution of the United States
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/bigfuss.htm
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
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American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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23 Nov 2005 05:52:39 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:19:08 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:I8KdnUVwguk47h7enZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@io.com...
(snip)
"Religious liberty is from God," Moore said.
(snip)
Oh, the abject stupidity inherent in that single sound-bite is truely
staggering.
You most certainly must be referring to yourself. And you're being far
too kind.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - Thomas
Jefferson
My parents created me, moron. Not some figment of your deluded
imagination. It's a poetic way of describing innate rights.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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23 Nov 2005 06:36:46 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:19:08 -0600, Unpleasant Truth wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:I8KdnUVwguk47h7enZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@io.com...
(snip)
"Religious liberty is from God," Moore said.
(snip)
Oh, the abject stupidity inherent in that single sound-bite is truely
staggering.
You most certainly must be referring to yourself. And you're being far
too kind.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - Thomas
Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson on the tyranny of religion:
"The delusion into which the X. Y. Z. plot shewed it possible to
push the people; the successful experiment made under the
prevalence of that delusion on the clause of the constitution,
which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the
freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope
of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity
thro' the U. S.; and as every sect believes its own form the true
one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the
Episcopalians & Congregationalists. The returning good sense of
our country threatens abortion to their hopes, & they believe that
any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition
to their schemes.
"And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of
man."
Gray Shockley
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my formatting
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Roy S Moore: Is He the Second Coming? [was:Rights come from God] |
23 Nov 2005 01:26:09 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:22:34 -0600, wrote:
Moore argues there would be no First Amendment and the U.S. wouldn't exist
without God.
Moore said in addition to staying informed, anyone concerned about these
issues should pray
on the ignorant and downtrodden, the people who the unethical and
immoral defrocked judge uses to further her/his/its own political
ambitions.
Apparently re-cycling old George Wallace rhetoric, this political
piece of offal continues to treat the people of Alabama as if they
are imbeciles.
It could be very "interesting" to see if the people of Alabama are
Americans or if they will vote for this shameful political
manipulator and con-woman/man/thingie. [pick one]
Gray Shockley
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Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
hitler and his sycophants,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.
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| Title: Roy Moore & George Wallace: Two Pees in a Pod [was:Former judge: Rights come from God] |
23 Nov 2005 01:17:50 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:22:34 -0600, wrote:
This story ran on nwitimes.com on Monday, November 21, 2005 12:05 AM CST
Roy Moore, the former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice dismissed for
refusing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from a courthouse, is
calling on Americans to get educated on their First Amendment rights.
Moore, who is now running in the Republican primary for governor in
Alabama, gave a two-part presentation Sunday at the First Baptist Church in
Hammond about the interpretation of the First Amendment in the nation's
courtrooms.
Moore said he talks about the "arrogance and unlawful acts of
the federal district courts across the land."
I shall refuse to abide by any such illegal
federal court order even to the point of
standing in the schoolhouse door."
- George Wallace
- former Governor of Alabama
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| Title: Re: Roy Moore & George Wallace: Two Pees in a Pod [was:Former judge: Rights come from God] |
23 Nov 2005 03:45:33 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:50 -0600, Gray Shockley
<grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:22:34 -0600,
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
This story ran on nwitimes.com on Monday,
November 21, 2005 12:05 AM CST
Roy Moore, the former Alabama Supreme Court
Chief Justice dismissed for
refusing to remove a display of the Ten
Commandments from a courthouse, is
calling on Americans to get educated on their
First Amendment rights.
Moore, who is now running in the Republican
primary for governor in
Alabama, gave a two-part presentation Sunday at
the First Baptist Church in
Hammond about the interpretation of the First
Amendment in the nation's
courtrooms.
Moore said he talks about the "arrogance and
unlawful acts of
the federal district courts across the land."
I shall refuse to abide by any such
illegal
federal court order even to the
point of
standing in the schoolhouse door."
-
George Wallace
- former Governor of
Alabama
Moore and Wallace: Two cheeks on the same *****.
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| Title: Re: Roy Moore & George Wallace: Two Pees in a Pod [was:Former judge: Rights come from God] |
23 Nov 2005 06:16:44 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:45:33 -0600, Steamboat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:50 -0600, Gray Shockley
<grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:22:34 -0600,
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
This story ran on nwitimes.com on Monday,
November 21, 2005 12:05 AM CST
Roy Moore, the former Alabama Supreme Court
Chief Justice dismissed for
refusing to remove a display of the Ten
Commandments from a courthouse, is
calling on Americans to get educated on their
First Amendment rights.
Moore, who is now running in the Republican
primary for governor in
Alabama, gave a two-part presentation Sunday at
the First Baptist Church in
Hammond about the interpretation of the First
Amendment in the nation's
courtrooms.
Moore said he talks about the "arrogance and
unlawful acts of
the federal district courts across the land."
I shall refuse to abide by any such
illegal
federal court order even to the
point of
standing in the schoolhouse door."
-
George Wallace
- former Governor of
Alabama
Moore and Wallace: Two cheeks on the same *****.
I hope the fine people of Alabama remember to be careful what they
wish for . . . . .
The only way that people who oppose the psychosis that is Roy
Snotty Moore can "win" is that Moore is either defeated or Moore is
elected.
As of right now, I'm wondering if Moore being elected wouldn't be
for the best.
In all liklihood, the best place to watch that election could well
be
<http://www.cofcc.org/>
the website of the "Council of Conservative Citizens" which was
formed from the mailing list of the white Citizens Council.
A phrase from my childhood could be the best
description of Roy Snotty Moore:
"That boy be et up with the dumbass".
Gray Shockley
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Vice President Cheney was in a
secret hiding place and could
not be reached for comment.
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22 Nov 2005 05:39:43 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:22:34 -0500,
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
Moore noted in the 1931 opinion of the Supreme Court of the U.S. in the
case U.S. versus Macintosh, religion is defined as a person's view of his
relations to his creator. He noted the opinion says you cannot talk of
religious liberty without assuring the existence of a belief in supreme
allegiance to the will of God.
Exactly
Moore would be perfectly right if government passed
laws saying he could not do that
Moore is wrong because as "government" HE tried to use
HIS religious dogma as policy
That's a no-no.
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| Title: Re: Former judge: Rights come from God; Moore article fails 10th Amendment test. |
22 Nov 2005 05:52:05 PM |
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alt.education removed.
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/11/21/news/top_news/a24d0b3c5a535bef862570c0001716ef.txt
Former judge: Rights come from God
Says federal judiciary incorrect, arrogant
BY ELIZABETH EAKEN
This story ran on nwitimes.com on Monday, November 21, 2005 12:05 AM CST
Roy Moore, the former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice dismissed for
refusing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from a courthouse, is
calling on Americans to get educated on their First Amendment rights.
"Article 10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the
States respectively, or to the people."
I don't know that Judge Moore didn't mention the 10th Amendment with
respect to our religious freedoms when he recently spoke. I will
assume that he didn't mention the 10th. Regardless, the article about
his talk fails the 10th Amendment test.
Given that our religious freedoms are defined by the 1st, 10th and 14th
Amendments, I think it's entirely possible that Judge Moore (never met
the man) is making the mistake of basing his stance on our religious
freedoms entirely on the 1st Amendment. Sadly, the strained, "absolute
church-state separation," interpretation of the establishment clause of
activist Justices trumps the basic reading skills, common sense
interpretation of the clause these days, especially when the 10th is
ignored.
<snipped for brevity>
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| Title: Re: Former judge: Rights come from God; Moore article fails 10th Amendment test. |
23 Nov 2005 03:41:50 AM |
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On 22 Nov 2005 09:52:05 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
alt.education removed.
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/11/21/news/top_news/a24d0b3c5a535bef862570c0001716ef.txt
Former judge: Rights come from God
Says federal judiciary incorrect, arrogant
BY ELIZABETH EAKEN
This story ran on nwitimes.com on Monday, November 21, 2005 12:05 AM CST
Roy Moore, the former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice dismissed for
refusing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from a courthouse, is
calling on Americans to get educated on their First Amendment rights.
"Article 10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the
States respectively, or to the people."
Only means that IF any case brought before the USSC
that needs to be interpreted, it WILL be the law
Not what a kook like you "THINKS" it should be, nor
what a fucked, disgraced southern racist thinks it
should be.
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