osprey wrote:

The Cult paper you quoted from has very little credibility and the
below article illustrates why. A person who believes exactly what
Carter is quoted as saying could still be completely pro-choice; the
article doesn't give any reason to think that Carter agrees with Bush
that abortions should be made illegal.

Is anyone actually reading the article????

The article doesn't suggest that Carter thinks abortion should be
illegal.
The article even says that Carter said.."I think abortion is wrong and
that the government ought never do
anything to encourage abortion," he said during that campaign. "But I
do not favor a constitutional amendment which would prohibit all
abortions, nor one that would give states [a] local option to ban
abortions."

That quote is from Jimmy's 1976 campaign. The Times immediately follows
this quote with Carter's statement that he has made mistakes, and the
article strongly implies that Carter has changed his mind about
abortion..

Where in the article did you get the impression that Carter somehow
agrees with Bush that abortion should be illegal? And where did you
get the idea that Bush wants abortion to be illegal?

Do you really doubt that Bush would support a constitutional amendment
banning abortion?

is rather uncontroversial. The *article* suggests that the Democrats
who are considering a filibuster are considering it because Alito, like
Bush and Carter, are against abortion. Since the issue isn't whether or
not abortion should be *legal*, not whether it's a sin, the implication
is that Carter is on the Bush/Alito side of the abortion debate. It's
not a stretch by any means for me to call the Times article misleading.

What he says is that (a) he

believes that abortion is the result of sin and that in his opinion
Jesus wouldn't approve of it, and (b) that it's bad politics for
Democrats to over-emphasize abortion because it prevents them from
connecting with people who disagree with them on that issue. The
article implies that Carter has retreated from the pro-choice position
he held in 1976 when he said " "I think abortion is wrong and that the
government ought never do anything to encourage abortion, But I do not
favor a constitutional amendment which would prohibit all abortions,
nor one that would give states [a] local option to ban abortions.". The
article offers nothing to support such a thing.

There are quite a few pro-choice folks who agree exactly with carter on
this issue, our previous Presidential nominree for example.

Anyway, the point is: The Washington Times below pretends to be
reporting news, but has instead produced a piece of propaganda, drawing
unwarranted conclusions from what little evidence it cites.

Like the New York Times right?

So credible..right?

The New York Times has forfeited any credibility it might have had when
it (a) pushed the phoney Whitewater story, (b) when it continues to
publish pundits who parrot the lying attack on Al Gore re: the
Internet, Love Boat, etc, and (c) when they published Judith Miller's
stenograhy claiming during the early part of the war that we had found
WMDs.

Give me a break. A lot of you are reading more out of this article than
needs to be. And many of you who are extreme left are foaming at the
mouth because one of your own actually speaks out against abortion. If
so many of you are that weak in your position that you are going to get
all bothered by one of your own speaking out, maybe you shouldn't be in
the abortion debate to begin with.

I am very much pro-choice but I agree with Carter completely that Dems
place far too much emphasis on social liberalism, abandoning the
working class and the values of equal opportunity and looking out for
your neighbor. And too many Dems think that belief in God equals right
wing fanaticism (they agree with the right wing theocrats here).

Many people, including myself, feel that abortion is wrong. Always has
been and always will be; however, we also don't seek to ban abortion
either because we do know that some women would take matters into their
own hands. It wouldn't be the tragedy many of you on the left predict,
we wouldn't have thousands of women laying in the gutters bleeding to
death. But some would take matters into their own hands.

my wife agrees with you about abortion--she thinks it's wrong but
thinks the government ought not take away a women's right to choose it.

What a lot of us support is educationg to young women and men to be
more responsible in their choices when it comes to sexual reproduction.
Take the necessary precautions to ensure that pregnacy is not likely to
happen.

Then we agree (on this).

Now, I can't speak for Carter or anyone else but I do think that
Partial Birth Abortion should be banned. I also support and agree with
many on the left who think that a provision should be in place that
does allow for that procedure to happen, ONLY when a woman's life is in
in danger.

Abortion has many restrictions now, and those restrictions are common
sense restrictions.

Some are, but IMO some abandon common sense in favor of simplistic
sloganistic half thinking. Parental notification laws for example.

I just find it ridiculous that so many are reading into this article
and getting all bothered over nothing. Jimmy Carter is an extremely
religious man, probably more so than Bush. It's funny how so many
liberals attack Bush on his faith but didn't attack Carter on his, when
Carter is probably more vocal than Bush.

I agree with you that attacking Bush on his faith is offensive. Maybe
that's because I am a Christian, but I hope I'd feel the same way if
Bush was a non-Christian. I can't say whose the better Christian,
Carter or Bush; that's God's business IMO. I am not bothered at all by
Jimmy's position, but I am no big fan of the Washington Times.

Jimmy Carter, while not regarded as a successful president, is a great
man. He does good things for communities and for that he should be
respected. His opinion regarding abortion has been known for sometime.

My point too.

Do you know what I find interesting, Carters comments about which
administrations treated him with respect and how it was the Clinton
administration he regarded as the least respectful administration.

And do you know what else I find interesting? All of these people on
the left bashing this article...where is Carter's response?

If his words in this article were not true, why isn't he speaking out?

Maybe he has other things to do.

Keith

Terry Cross wrote:

Dan Clore wrote:

words of truth wrote:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20051103-111740-7148r.htm
Carter condemns abortion culture
By Ralph Z. Hallow
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
November 4, 2005

"These things impact other issues on which [Mr. Bush] and I
basically agree," the Georgia Democrat said. "I've never been
convinced, if you let me inject my Christianity into it, that Jesus
Christ would approve abortion."

During Rabbi Jesus' time, abortion was common, completely
legal, and explicitly recognized as okay by the religion he
professed. We have no record of Jesus ever making any
comment about it.

And we have no reliable evidence for your statements, either.

No doubt Jesus said many things which did not survive, but
it would have been considered very noteworthy if he had
spoken out against something as accepted and commonplace as
abortion.

Given the total lack of evidence otherwise, we
must infer that Jesus almost certainly did not oppose abortion.