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"Bill" |
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13 Nov 2005 01:26:09 PM |
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Foundation of Christian Religion |
The foundation of the Christian and Hebrew religions are the Bibles. They
are a foundation of quick sand! Yet most followers believe they are the word
of their God.
The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would God not protect the originals? What are available are
copies of copies by unknown men of questionable veracity biased by, and
dependent on, their membership in the clergy. The originals rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. The Bibles were hand written and
recopied more than a thousand years before the invention of the printing
press. And of course we not only do not know what was in the originals but
they were also written by errant biased men motivated to impress their
flock.
If Jesus was God, why did he not leave behind his recorded record of his
rules and commands? Why are there NO Biblical documents written during his
time on earth? The Old Testaments were written before his birth. The New
Testaments were written 60 and more years after his death and there is NO
objective verifiable evidence as to their authenticity and veracity.
The Bibles contain both historical and scientific errors. They contain
manifest absurdities, unfulfilled prophesies, immoralities, indecencies,
obscenities, atrocities, barbarities, myths, folklore and legends. They are
nothing more than hearsay, myths and implausible tales.
Here is just a small sampling of implausible Bible stories.
The story of creation
A totally illogical Biblical story is the story of creation. It is obviously
pure fiction
Biblically, god created the world 5,000 to 10,000 years ago. Scientific
evidence indicates the Universe, as we now know it, began more than 14
BILLION years ago or more.
In the Bible, the Universe is a firmament and the Earth is a fixed (not to
mention flat) Planet and the Son, Moon and other planets revolve around the
earth. We now KNOW the Earth revolves around the Son and the Universe is
over 20 BILLION light years in diameter and is made up of trillions of Stars
and Planets of which our planetary system is a very miniscule and
unimportant part.
In the Bible the earth is created in the first day, before the Son, Moon and
Stars. Objective scientific evidence is that the Earth did not form until
approximately 10 BILLION YEARS after the beginning of the present Universe
and after the formation of the Son, and many other stars.
The Creation of the World
Genesis
In the beginning of creation, when God made heaven and earth, the earth was
without form and void, with darkness over the face of the abyss, and a
mighty wind that swept over the surface of the waters. God said, Let there
be light, and there was light; and God saw that the light was good, and he
separated light from darkness. He called the light day, and the darkness
night. So evening came, and morning came, the first day. God created light
before he created the Sun and the Moon!
The Son is known to have existed long before the Earth; therefore the earth
was not created before the Son. It is equally obvious that the writers of
that time thought the World was the center the firmament and that they had
no conception of the size and nature of the Universe. Everything beyond the
Sun and Moon was considered to be gods Heaven
God said, Let there be a vault between the waters, to separate water from
water. So God made the vault, and separated the water under the vault from
the water above it, and so it was; and God called the vault heaven. Evening
came, and morning came, a second day.
God said; Let the waters under heaven be gathered into one place, so that
dry land may appear; and so it was. God called the dry land earth, and the
gathering of the waters he called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then
God said, Let the earth produce fresh growth, let there be on the earth
plants bearing seed, fruit-trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its kind. So it was; the earth yielded fresh growth, plants bearing seed
according to their kind and trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its king; and God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning came, a
third day.
And this good and loving God created animals that eat other animals (and
man) and poisonous plants and snakes that kill!
God said, Let there be lights in the vault of heaven to separate day from
night, and let them serve as signs both for festivals and for seasons and
years. Let them also shine in the vault of heaven to give light on earth. So
it was; God made the two great lights, the greater to govern the day and the
lesser to govern the night; and with them he made the stars. God put these
lights in the vault of heaven to give light on earth, to govern day and
night, and to separate light from darkness; and God saw that it was good.
Evening came, and morning came, a fourth day.
Ancient man erroneously thought the stars beyond the Sun and Moon to be
Heaven. The Moon was not considered a reflection from the light of the Sun
but a lesser light.
God, said, Let the waters teem with countless living creatures, and let
birds fly above the earth across the vault of heaven. god then created the
great sea-monsters and all living creatures that move and swarm in the
waters, according to their kind, and every kind of bird; and God saw that it
was good. So he blessed them and said, be fruitful and increase, fill the
waters of the seas; and let the birds increase on land. Evening came, and
morning came, a fifth day.
And this all loving God created creatures of the that kill and eat other
creatures including man.
God said, let the earth bring forth living creatures, according to their
kind: cattle, reptiles, and wild animals, all according to their kind. So it
was; God made wild animals, cattle, and all reptiles, each according to its
kind; and he saw that it was good. Then God said, Let us make man it our
image and likeness to rule the fish in the sea , the birds of heaven, the
cattle, all wild animals on earth, and all reptiles that crawl upon the
earth. So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created
him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, be
fruitful and increase, fill the earth and subdue it, rule over the fish in
the sea, the birds of heaven, and every living thing that moves upon the
earth. God also said, I give you all plants that bear seed everywhere on
earth, and every tree bearing fruit which yields seed: they shall be yours
for food. All green plants I give for food to the wild animals, to all the
birds of heaven, and to all reptiles on earth, every living creature. So it
was; and God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. Evening came,
and morning came, a sixth day.
And God created animals that need to kill and eat other animals including
man in order to survive. This is a loving and caring God?
Thus heaven and earth were completed with all their mighty throng. On the
sixth day God completed all the work he had been doing, and on the seventh
day he ceased from all his work. God blessed the seventh day and made it
holy, because on that day he ceased from all the work he had set himself to
do and rested.
Why would a God that is not physical but spiritual, get tired and need rest?
If this creator is such a loving and caring guy, why does he permit totally
innocent children to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a
fully developed brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.?
Why are some born idiots and others with super intelligence?
Why does this loving and caring god create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes,
Volcanic Eruptions, Wars, cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions that effect people indiscriminately regardless of
their conduct or religious beliefs? Why does he permit millions of both
young and old to starve to death?
These afflict humans indiscriminately - young and old, atheists and members
of all religious beliefs.
Why did he design humans to suffer the decrepitude and malignancies of old
age? Even those that devote their lives to religious leadership suffer these
punishments of old age.
Why did this caring benevolent god create animals that need to eat other
animals to survive?
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. The objective evidence is that, if there is a
god creator, he has no concern about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
Adam and Eve
In the Bible, there are two different accounts of Adam and Eve's creation.
According to the Priestly (P) history of the 5th or 6th century BC (Genesis
1:1-2:4), God on the sixth day of Creation created all the living creatures
and, "in his own image," man both "male and female." God then blessed the
couple, told them to be "fruitful and multiply," and gave them dominion over
all other living things.
According to the lengthier Yahwist (J) narrative of the 10th century BC
(Genesis 2:5-7, 2:15-4:1, 4:25), God, or Yahweh, created Adam at a time when
the earth was still void, forming him from the earth's dust and breathing
"into his nostrils the breath of life." God then gave Adam the primeval
Garden of Eden to tend but, on penalty of death, commanded him not to eat of
the fruit of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." Subsequently, so that
Adam would not be alone, God created other animals but, finding these
insufficient, put Adam to sleep, took from him a rib, and created a new
companion, Eve. The two were persons of innocence until Eve yielded to the
temptations of the evil serpent and Adam joined her in eating the forbidden
fruit, whereupon they both recognized their nakedness and donned fig leaves
as garments. Immediately, God recognized their transgression and proclaimed
their punishments-for the woman, pain in childbirth and subordination to
man, and, for the man, relegation to an accursed ground with which he must
toil and sweat for his subsistence. Adam died at the age of 930!
In later Christian theology, the concept of original sin (q.v.) took hold-a
sin in which human kind has been held captive since the fall of Adam and
Eve. The doctrine was based on Pauline Scripture but has not been accepted
by a number of Christian sects and interpreters. Why should BILLIONS of
innocent people be punished over thousands of years for this original sin
that they had no part in?
This is both sadistic and ridiculous!
Jonah
As the story is related in the Book of Jonah, the prophet Jonah is called by
God to go to Nineveh (a great Assyrian city) and prophesy disaster because
of the city's wickedness. Jonah, in the story, feels about Nineveh as does
the author of the Book of Nahum-that the city must inevitably be destroyed
because of God's judgment against it. Thus Jonah does not want to prophesy,
because Nineveh might repent and thereby be saved. So he rushes down to
Joppa and takes passage in a ship that will carry him in the opposite
direction, thinking to escape God.
A storm of unprecedented severity strikes the ship, and it shows signs of
breaking up and foundering. Jonah confesses that it is his presence on board
that is causing the storm. At his request, he is thrown overboard, and the
storm subsides.
A "great fish," appointed by God, swallows Jonah, and he stays within the
fish's maw for three days and nights. He prays for deliverance and is
"vomited out" on dry land (ch. 2).
Totally implausible. He would have been digested by the fish in those three
days!
Sodom and Gomorrah
According to the Bible these cities and everyone in them, except Lot and his
family, were destroyed by fire and brimstone for their sinfulness. Lot's
wife was turned into a pillar of salt for disobeying God's command to not
look back at her city of birth being destroyed.
There is no way that EVERYONE in two cities could be so sinful, especially
innocent children, to deserve destruction by fire and brimstone.
Sodom and Gomorrah constituted, along with the cities of Admah, Zeboiim, and
Zoar (Bela), the five biblical "cities of the plain." Destroyed by"brimstone
and fire" because of their wickedness (Genesis 19:24).
Sodom and Gomorrah probably were devastated about 1900 BC by an earthquake
in the Dead Sea area of the Great Rift Valley, an extensive rift extending
from the Jordan River valley in Israel to the Zambezi River system in East
Africa. When the catastrophic destruction occurred, the petroleum and gases
existing in the area probably contributed to the imagery of "brimstone and
fire"
Cruel, inhumane and pure nonsense!
The Tower of Babel
Genesis 11.1 - 11.9
God became concerned that the Tower being built would reach his heaven.
He confounded the builders by giving them different languages so they could
no longer communicate with each other to continue the construction.
Why would this be of any concern to an all powerful God creator and wouldn't
this God creator realize that no tower could possibly reach his spiritual
heaven?
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come CLOSE to
housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And
this was a boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7
million KNOWN species of animals on this planet. This story is patently
impossible, using only materials and tools available to Noah, to build an
arch large enough to hold all these creatures, together with suitable
environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all separated so they
don't kill and eat each other. And then provide room and an environment for
many hundreds of millions of known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on
this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as a greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Wizard of Oz, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face
of the earth: men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
This is patently ridiculous and impossible. How could they capture and load
over three million animals in a period of seven days???
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [, 21 Every living thing that
moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the
creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry
land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures
that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the
earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
This of course would have also killed all the vegetation on Earth!
Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was "six hundred" years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
And what did they eat until all the vegetation recovered from the flood???
Genesis 9 God's Covenant with Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat!
Samson
Hebrew Shimshon, Israelite hero portrayed in an epic narrative in the Old
Testament (Judg. 13-16). He was a Nazirite (q.v.) and a legendary warrior
whose incredible exploits hint at the weight of Philistine pressure on
Israel during much of the early, tribal period of Israel in Canaan
(1200-1000).
Samson was claimed to possess extraordinary physical strength, and the moral
of his saga relates the disastrous loss of his power to the violation of his
Nazirite vow. Credited with remarkable exploits-e.g., the slaying of a lion
and moving the gates of Gaza-he first broke his religious promises by
feasting with a woman from the neighboring town of Timnah, who was also a
Philistine, one of Israel's mortal enemies. Other remarkable deeds follow;
e.g., his decimating the Philistines in a private war. On another occasion
he repulsed their assault on him at Gaza, where he had gone to visit a
harlot. He finally fell victim to his foes through love of Delilah, a woman
of the valley of Sorek, who beguiled him into revealing the secret of his
strength: his long Nazirite hair. As he slept, Delilah had his hair cut and
betrayed him. He was captured, blinded, and enslaved by the Philistines, but
in the end he was granted his revenge; through the return of his old
strength, he supposedly demolished the great Philistine temple of the god
Dagon, at Gaza, destroying his captors and himself (Judg.16:4-30).
A truly implausible tale!
God created a three level Universe - Heaven above, a flat World resting on
water. Genesis 1:6-10; 7:11; 8:2; 11:11-9; 19:24; 28:12-13; Exodus 20:4;
Numbers 16:30-33; Deuteronomy 33:17.
God created the Sun and the Moon on the fourth day but created light on the
first day! Genesis1:1-9; 14-19
It is claimed that the Eve, first woman, was created from one of Adam's
ribs.
Genesis 3:1-5 Men and women have the same number of ribs on each side of
their body? And in any case why would a god that has created the Universe
and everything in it need to tale rib from Adam to create Eve???
The Bibles claim that a talking snake talked Eve into eating the forbidden
fruit.
The Bibles claim that Adam lived 930 years, Seth 912 years, Enosh 905 years,
Kenan910 years, Mahalael 895 years, Jared 962 years, Methuselah 969 years;
Lamech 777 years, and Noah 950 years. Genesis 5:-31; 9:29
God commanded that every baby boy at age of eight days be circumcised.
At that time sterilization (of knives) was unknown and many died of
infection for which they new no cure. Why did this almighty and all caring
God create baby boys with foreskins on their penis that he then required to
be painfully and dangerously removed?
This all caring and loving God sent ten horrible plagues upon the Egyptians
Exodus 7:14-12:32 and in his loving generosity gave Israel the land of the
Canaanites and the Israelites slaughtered every person of seven nations.
Twenty one million, men women and innocent children, were slaughtered
according to the Bible. Exodus 12:1-2
This is a loving god???
God in the Bibles classifies bats as birds when anyone with an elementary
knowledge of biology knows that bats are flying MAMMALS!
Letiviticus11:13, 19
This God can't control his temper resulting in killing thousands of people.
Numbers 11:31-35; 25:1-9
He and Moses ordered the Israelites to kill all the male and Female
Medianites who had ever had sex but to spare the young women who were
virgins and keep them for themselves to enjoy. Numbers 31:14-1
Jeremiah:16:1: The word of the LORD came also unto me, saying,
2: Thou shall not take thee a wife, neither shall thou have sons or
daughters in this place.
3: For thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters
that are born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them,
and concerning their fathers that begat them in this land;
4: They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither
shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth:
and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses
shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
5: For thus saith the LORD, Enter not into the house of mourning, neither go
to lament nor bemoan them: for I have taken away my peace from this people,
saith the LORD, even loving kindness and mercies.
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According to the unerring Bible, the earth is the oldest object in the
Universe. (Genesis 1:1), snakes can talk (Genesis 3:1-5), and Man had
dominion over the dinosaurs (Genesis 1:26, 28)."
Really??? The Earth did not come into existence until 10 BILLION years after
the Universe. Man came into existence MILLIONS of years AFTER the extinction
of the Dinosaurs.
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This is just a sampling of ridiculous Bible tales. The Bibles are obviously
a mixture of fiction, fables, folklore and pure nonsense.
And these Bibles were dictated by God??? Then this God must be a demented
idiot.
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
16 Nov 2005 02:12:12 PM |
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"Dennis" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Dennis" wrote
: > : Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement in
: the
: > : original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
religions
: > are
: > : the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: > : Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
: >
: > Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from if
: not
: > from the foundation of the Bible?
:
: You can see God's handiwork in all aspects of nature, His spirit testifies
: to the spirits of the believer.
What handiwork are you saying is of God?
: Every society that has ever been on the
: earth has believed in a diety, and where did these beliefs come from,
: certainly not the Bible.
Superstitious explanations for unknown phenomenon.
: The Bible was not around in the very beginning, yet
: God made Himself known.
No men made up stories and in so doing created their gods.
: Your hypothesis on the Bible being the only source
: of knowledge to God is sadly mistaken.
Provide other sources then. The assertions above don't mean anything.
: Atheism according to Webster Dictionary is denying the existance of God.
Prove it! I want to see the actual citation.
: Just by denying Him does not change the reality that He is, was and always
: will be God.
The more common understanding of atheism among atheists is “not believing in
any gods.” No claims or denials are made — an atheist is a person who is not
a theist.
: Denial is the first sign of having a problem.
So by denying the meaning of the term "atheism" you are admitting that you
have a problem.
: As to your quote on atheism, again I say that being an atheist is
imposible,
: because atheism cannot exist under the guidelines people like you have set
: forth.
Explain yourself.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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18 Nov 2005 04:52:57 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
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"Dennis" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Dennis" wrote
: > : Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement
in
: the
: > : original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
religions
: > are
: > : the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: > : Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
: >
: > Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from
if
: not
: > from the foundation of the Bible?
:
: You can see God's handiwork in all aspects of nature, His spirit
testifies
: to the spirits of the believer.
What handiwork are you saying is of God?
All things.
: Every society that has ever been on the
: earth has believed in a diety, and where did these beliefs come from,
: certainly not the Bible.
Superstitious explanations for unknown phenomenon.
"Unknown phenomenon" is a quaint way of saying "something I do not
understand so it must be unexplainable."
: The Bible was not around in the very beginning, yet
: God made Himself known.
No men made up stories and in so doing created their gods.
You give men a lot of credit in that the numerous wirters of the Bible over
aperiod of a few thousand years knitted the Bible together so uniquely that
no other literay work in history can even come close. Man is not smart
enough to do that on his own.
: Your hypothesis on the Bible being the only source
: of knowledge to God is sadly mistaken.
Provide other sources then. The assertions above don't mean anything.
Take a fundamental physical science class and see for yourself. The distance
of the earth form the sun, the degrees of tilt of the earth, the temperature
span required for life to continue... on and on science shows the handiwork
of God.
: Atheism according to Webster Dictionary is denying the existance of God.
Prove it! I want to see the actual citation.
Websters New Collegiate Dictionarycopyright 1976 by G.&C. Merriam Co.
Atheism1a: a disbelief in the existance of diety. b: the doctrine that there
is no diety
2: UNGODLINESS. WICKEDNESS
Atheist: on ewho denies the existance of God.
: Just by denying Him does not change the reality that He is, was and
always
: will be God.
The more common understanding of atheism among atheists is "not believing
in
any gods." No claims or denials are made - an atheist is a person who is
not
a theist.
Regardless of "the more common understanding of atheism" does not change
the actual meaning. Denial is still denial, however put forth.
: Denial is the first sign of having a problem.
So by denying the meaning of the term "atheism" you are admitting that you
have a problem.
I have not denied the term atheism, I have simply corrected you misguided
worldview.
: As to your quote on atheism, again I say that being an atheist is
imposible,
: because atheism cannot exist under the guidelines people like you have
set
: forth.
Explain yourself.
If in reality you want explanations, the an open mind is needed, not an
arguementative mind set. Are you ready for this?
In His Service,
Dennis
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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18 Nov 2005 05:31:32 AM |
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"Dennis" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > What handiwork are you saying is of God?
:
: All things.
Can you provide objective evidence for that assertion?
: "Unknown phenomenon" is a quaint way of saying "something I do not
: understand so it must be unexplainable."
That's right, they were unable to explain what they did not understand so
they created gods.
: Take a fundamental physical science class and see for yourself. The
distance
: of the earth form the sun, the degrees of tilt of the earth, the
temperature
: span required for life to continue... on and on science shows the
handiwork
: of God.
Demonstrate how it shows the handiwork of any god?
: > : Atheism according to Webster Dictionary is denying the existance of
God.
: >
: > Prove it! I want to see the actual citation.
:
: Websters New Collegiate Dictionarycopyright 1976 by G.&C. Merriam Co.
:
: Atheism1a: a disbelief in the existance of diety. b: the doctrine that
there
: is no diety
: 2: UNGODLINESS. WICKEDNESS
In other words, you choose the definition you want and ignore any other. I
can do that also. I choose definition 1a, but my choice is more accurate in
the way atheists describe themselves.
: Atheist: on ewho denies the existance of God.
Atheist: one who believes that there is no deity (Merriam-Webster Online
Dictionary copyright © 2005 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated;
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/atheist)
And why does an atheist believe that there is no deity? Because there is no
objectice evidence to convince her/him otherwise
: > The more common understanding of atheism among atheists is "not
believing
: in
: > any gods." No claims or denials are made - an atheist is a person who is
: not
: > a theist.
:
: Regardless of "the more common understanding of atheism" does not change
: the actual meaning. Denial is still denial, however put forth.
That is absolutely ridiculous and come straight from you own bigotry!
: > So by denying the meaning of the term "atheism" you are admitting that
you
: > have a problem.
:
: I have not denied the term atheism, I have simply corrected you misguided
: worldview.
No you have denied the meaning of the term "atheism". Your misguided
worldview is the one in need of correction.
: > Explain yourself.
: >
: If in reality you want explanations, the an open mind is needed, not an
: arguementative mind set. Are you ready for this?
I sure am. I have a completely open mind for *objective, rational* evidence.
If you have any evidence of that type for your god, bring it on. But I
certainly will not believe biased teistic propaganda!
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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18 Nov 2005 08:15:46 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
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"Dennis" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > What handiwork are you saying is of God?
:
: All things.
Can you provide objective evidence for that assertion?
Evidence speaks for itself, there is no reason to attempt to rationalize it.
: "Unknown phenomenon" is a quaint way of saying "something I do not
: understand so it must be unexplainable."
That's right, they were unable to explain what they did not understand so
they created gods.
Do you comprehend the astonomical odds of each society believeing in their
own diety, happening over the entire planet, in different years, centuries
and millenniums? Believing in that alone shows faith in God, for only God
could accomplish something of that magnitude.
: Take a fundamental physical science class and see for yourself. The
distance
: of the earth form the sun, the degrees of tilt of the earth, the
temperature
: span required for life to continue... on and on science shows the
handiwork
: of God.
Demonstrate how it shows the handiwork of any god?
: > : Atheism according to Webster Dictionary is denying the existance of
God.
: >
: > Prove it! I want to see the actual citation.
:
: Websters New Collegiate Dictionarycopyright 1976 by G.&C. Merriam Co.
:
: Atheism1a: a disbelief in the existance of diety. b: the doctrine that
there
: is no diety
: 2: UNGODLINESS. WICKEDNESS
In other words, you choose the definition you want and ignore any other. I
can do that also. I choose definition 1a, but my choice is more accurate
in
the way atheists describe themselves.
Atheist describe themselfs as all knowing, all being and all strong,
otherwise atheist describe themselves as the God they are denying.
: Atheist: on ewho denies the existance of God.
Atheist: one who believes that there is no deity (Merriam-Webster Online
Dictionary copyright © 2005 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated;
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/atheist)
And why does an atheist believe that there is no deity? Because there is
no
objectice evidence to convince her/him otherwise
: > The more common understanding of atheism among atheists is "not
believing
: in
: > any gods." No claims or denials are made - an atheist is a person who
is
: not
: > a theist.
:
: Regardless of "the more common understanding of atheism" does not
change
: the actual meaning. Denial is still denial, however put forth.
That is absolutely ridiculous and come straight from you own bigotry!
As John Wayne said "Just fact!"
: > So by denying the meaning of the term "atheism" you are admitting that
you
: > have a problem.
:
: I have not denied the term atheism, I have simply corrected you
misguided
: worldview.
No you have denied the meaning of the term "atheism". Your misguided
worldview is the one in need of correction.
: > Explain yourself.
: >
: If in reality you want explanations, the an open mind is needed, not an
: arguementative mind set. Are you ready for this?
I sure am. I have a completely open mind for *objective, rational*
evidence.
If you have any evidence of that type for your god, bring it on. But I
certainly will not believe biased teistic propaganda!
You say you will not believe biased theistic propaganda, yet you spew fpor
the same.
There you go again, showing your double standards.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
No, it is the consequence of what one denies and how one justifies that
denial.
In His Service,
Dennis
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18 Nov 2005 09:16:38 AM |
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"Dennis" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Dennis" wrote
: > : "Bear" wrote
: > : > What handiwork are you saying is of God?
: > :
: > : All things.
: >
: > Can you provide objective evidence for that assertion?
:
: Evidence speaks for itself, there is no reason to attempt to rationalize
it.
I'll take that as a no.
: > : "Unknown phenomenon" is a quaint way of saying "something I do not
: > : understand so it must be unexplainable."
: >
: > That's right, they were unable to explain what they did not understand
so
: > they created gods.
:
: Do you comprehend the astonomical odds of each society believeing in their
: own diety, happening over the entire planet, in different years, centuries
: and millenniums? Believing in that alone shows faith in God, for only God
: could accomplish something of that magnitude.
No it doesn't.
: Atheist describe themselfs as all knowing, all being and all strong,
: otherwise atheist describe themselves as the God they are denying.
You are a lying sack of *****!
: > : Regardless of "the more common understanding of atheism" does not
: change
: > : the actual meaning. Denial is still denial, however put forth.
: >
: > That is absolutely ridiculous and come straight from you own bigotry!
:
: As John Wayne said "Just fact!"
I guess you don't know the definition of "fact" either
: You say you will not believe biased theistic propaganda, yet you spew fpor
: the same.
Liar!!!
: There you go again, showing your double standards.
No, there you go again, dodging another chance to honestly and objectively
presenting your case.
: No, it is the consequence of what one denies and how one justifies that
: denial.
You deny the truth and justify it with superstitions. Another lying and
deceiving theist reveals himself.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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18 Nov 2005 09:28:28 AM |
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:52:57 -0600, "Dennis"
<dvickers@fidnet.com> let us all know that:
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:VqudnXNshdAvD-beRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
"Dennis" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Dennis" wrote
: > : Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement
in
: the
: > : original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
religions
: > are
: > : the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: > : Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
: >
: > Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from
if
: not
: > from the foundation of the Bible?
:
: You can see God's handiwork in all aspects of nature, His spirit
testifies
: to the spirits of the believer.
What handiwork are you saying is of God?
All things.
Nice assertion. What have you to back that claim? No, the
bible is not evidence.
: Every society that has ever been on the
: earth has believed in a diety, and where did these beliefs come from,
: certainly not the Bible.
Superstitious explanations for unknown phenomenon.
"Unknown phenomenon" is a quaint way of saying "something I do not
understand so it must be unexplainable."
And "goddidit" is a quaint way of saying "I don't understand
it, so I will make something up to make it look like I know what I'm
talking about."
: The Bible was not around in the very beginning, yet
: God made Himself known.
No men made up stories and in so doing created their gods.
You give men a lot of credit in that the numerous wirters of the Bible over
aperiod of a few thousand years knitted the Bible together so uniquely
The books were voted upon, bubba. Didn't you know that?
: Your hypothesis on the Bible being the only source
: of knowledge to God is sadly mistaken.
Provide other sources then. The assertions above don't mean anything.
Take a fundamental physical science class and see for yourself. The distance
of the earth form the sun,
Varies by 3.5 million miles aphelion to perihelion.
the degrees of tilt of the earth,
Has changed.
the temperature
span required for life to continue... on and on science shows the handiwork
of God.
Argument from awe is a fallacy.
: Atheism according to Webster Dictionary is denying the existance of God.
Prove it! I want to see the actual citation.
Websters New Collegiate Dictionarycopyright 1976 by G.&C. Merriam Co.
Atheism1a: a disbelief in the existance of diety. b: the doctrine that there
is no diety
2: UNGODLINESS. WICKEDNESS
Atheist: on ewho denies the existance of God.
Notice the first part: disbelief. Not believing. Not
"denying", but not believing.
Don
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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16 Nov 2005 04:21:09 PM |
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In our last episode, <UsKdnXgoYb6PFubeRVn-hg@fidnet.com>, the
lovely and talented Dennis broadcast on alt.atheism:
You can see God's handiwork in all aspects of nature,
If you take enough drugs.
His spirit testifies to the spirits of the believer.
So when the believers are burning crosses, conducting lynchings
and inquisitions, that is the spirit of god.
Every society that has ever been on the
earth has believed in a diety,
Lots of different deities, with not much in common.
and where did these beliefs come from, certainly not the
Bible. The Bible was not around in the very beginning, yet God
made Himself known. Your hypothesis on the Bible being the
only source of knowledge to God is sadly mistaken.
Atheism according to Webster Dictionary is denying the
existance of God.
Get a better dictionary.
Just by denying Him does not change the reality that He is,
was and always will be God. Denial is the first sign of having
a problem.
Oh and believing voodoo hocus pocus mumbo jumbo isn't a problem?
As to your quote on atheism, again I say that being an atheist
is imposible, because atheism cannot exist under the
guidelines people like you have set forth.
Because <raw assertion>. Wonderful style of argument. I bet you
win a lot of debates that way - when you are armed.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC http://www.larseighner.com/
The Mint Jelly of God® -- The World's Best Atheist -- Unholier Than Thou
First Church of Electro-Baptism ***Atheist #1965*** One Short Circuit to Jesus
"I wake up every morning and I wish I were dead, and so does Jim." --Tammy Fae
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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16 Nov 2005 02:08:58 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:36:25 -0600, "Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com>
wrote:
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:ZpidneJJUr1LzebenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Dennis" wrote
: Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement in
the
: original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew religions
are
: the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from if
not
from the foundation of the Bible?
You can see God's handiwork in all aspects of nature, His spirit testifies
to the spirits of the believer. Every society that has ever been on the
earth has believed in a diety, and where did these beliefs come from,
certainly not the Bible. The Bible was not around in the very beginning, yet
God made Himself known. Your hypothesis on the Bible being the only source
of knowledge to God is sadly mistaken.
*****. You presuppose "God" (whatever that is meant to be, you
haven't even defined it), and rationalise what you see in terms of it.
You cannot "see its handiwork in all aspects of nature" until you have
demonstrated its existence to do that.
There is no way to start without the god-presupposition and conclude
it.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
Atheism according to Webster Dictionary is denying the existance of God.
Just by denying Him does not change the reality that He is, was and always
will be God. Denial is the first sign of having a problem.
As to your quote on atheism, again I say that being an atheist is imposible,
because atheism cannot exist under the guidelines people like you have set
forth.
In His Service,
Dennis
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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18 Nov 2005 05:19:51 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:36:25 -0600, "Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com>
wrote:
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:ZpidneJJUr1LzebenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Dennis" wrote
: Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement in
the
: original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew religions
are
: the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from if
not
from the foundation of the Bible?
You can see God's handiwork in all aspects of nature, His spirit testifies
to the spirits of the believer. Every society that has ever been on the
earth has believed in a diety, and where did these beliefs come from,
certainly not the Bible. The Bible was not around in the very beginning, yet
God made Himself known. Your hypothesis on the Bible being the only source
of knowledge to God is sadly mistaken.
*****. You presuppose "God" (whatever that is meant to be, you
haven't even defined it), and rationalise what you see in terms of it.
You cannot "see its handiwork in all aspects of nature" until you have
demonstrated its existence to do that.
There is no way to start without the god-presupposition and conclude
it.
===>Von Daniken sees the handiwork of ALIENS, coming on the
CHARIOTS OF THE GODS! -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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16 Nov 2005 10:14:52 AM |
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Bear wrote:
"Dennis" wrote
: Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement in the
: original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew religions
are
: the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from if not
from the foundation of the Bible?
===>"Personal communication"? ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Dennis" |
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16 Nov 2005 01:36:53 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Bear wrote:
"Dennis" wrote
: Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement in
the
: original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
religions
are
: the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from if
not
from the foundation of the Bible?
===>"Personal communication"? ;-) -- L.
Absolutely!!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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16 Nov 2005 02:57:59 PM |
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Bear wrote:
"Dennis" wrote
: Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement in
the
: original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
religions
are
: the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from
if
not
from the foundation of the Bible?
===>"Personal communication"? ;-) -- L.
Absolutely!!
You hear voices?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Dennis" |
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16 Nov 2005 04:26:30 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Bear wrote:
"Dennis" wrote
: Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement
in
the
: original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
religions
are
: the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from
if
not
from the foundation of the Bible?
===>"Personal communication"? ;-) -- L.
Absolutely!!
You hear voices?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Voices, plural, no. Do you here when someone talks to you? You do unless you
are deaf, and in that case, I apologize.
In His Service,
Dennis
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17 Nov 2005 08:50:13 AM |
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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Absolutely!!
You hear voices?
Voices, plural, no.
So, what DO you hear when your god supposedly talks to you?
Do you here when someone talks to you? You do unless you
are deaf, and in that case, I apologize.
WTF does this have to do with what I asked?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Dennis" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:31:35 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
snip
Absolutely!!
You hear voices?
Voices, plural, no.
So, what DO you hear when your god supposedly talks to you?
Your question is abnoxious to the point of attempting to badger me. Touche!
He ussually speaks to me concerning His word, ways and how to apply them on
a daily basis to my life. Actually this sounds as though you could benefit
greatly, for I can tell you need help if all you can find to express
yourself in street gutter language.
In His Service,
Dennis
Do you here when someone talks to you? You do unless you
are deaf, and in that case, I apologize.
WTF does this have to do with what I asked?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Nov 2005 10:16:20 AM |
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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Absolutely!!
You hear voices?
Voices, plural, no.
So, what DO you hear when your god supposedly talks to you?
Your question is abnoxious to the point of attempting to badger me.
Touche!
Abnoxious? Get that spellchecker.
He ussually speaks to me concerning His word, ways and how to apply them
on
a daily basis to my life. Actually this sounds as though you could benefit
greatly, for I can tell you need help if all you can find to express
yourself in street gutter language.
Here's some more. *****, dipshit. Happy now?
Don't bother replying - You're a self-righteous jackass and a complete waste
of time. Have a nice life preaching ***** - it suits you.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Dennis" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
18 Nov 2005 02:22:36 PM |
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Thanks, I was wondering when you would give up to the truth.
In His Service,
Dennis
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
snip
Absolutely!!
You hear voices?
Voices, plural, no.
So, what DO you hear when your god supposedly talks to you?
Your question is abnoxious to the point of attempting to badger me.
Touche!
Abnoxious? Get that spellchecker.
He ussually speaks to me concerning His word, ways and how to apply them
on
a daily basis to my life. Actually this sounds as though you could
benefit
greatly, for I can tell you need help if all you can find to express
yourself in street gutter language.
Here's some more. *****, dipshit. Happy now?
Don't bother replying - You're a self-righteous jackass and a complete
waste
of time. Have a nice life preaching ***** - it suits you.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
18 Nov 2005 05:22:51 PM |
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Dennis wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Bear wrote:
"Dennis" wrote
: Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement
in
the
: original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
religions
are
: the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from
if
not
from the foundation of the Bible?
===>"Personal communication"? ;-) -- L.
Absolutely!!
You hear voices?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Voices, plural, no. Do you here when someone talks to you? You do unless you
are deaf, and in that case, I apologize.
In His Service,
Dennis
===>What you hear is just the echoes of your mind.
See a psychiatrist. -- L.
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
16 Nov 2005 02:13:46 PM |
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"Dennis" wrote
: "Libertarius" wrote
: > Bear wrote:
: > > "Dennis" wrote
: > > : Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement
in
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: > > : original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
: religions
: > > are
: > > : the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of both
: > > : Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
: > >
: > > Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come from
if
: not
: > > from the foundation of the Bible?
: >
: > ===>"Personal communication"? ;-) -- L.
: >
: Absolutely!!
Your god has talked to you personally?
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Dennis" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
16 Nov 2005 04:24:27 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
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"Dennis" wrote
: "Libertarius" wrote
: > Bear wrote:
: > > "Dennis" wrote
: > > : Apparently you are not "well verse" because your initial statement
in
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: > > : original post said "the foundation of the Christian and Hebrew
: religions
: > > are
: > > : the Bible..." and this is absolutely wrong, the foundations of
both
: > > : Christian and Hebrew faiths are that God is who He said He is.
: > >
: > > Oh? Where did your "knowledge" of God and who he says he is come
from
if
: not
: > > from the foundation of the Bible?
: >
: > ===>"Personal communication"? ;-) -- L.
: >
: Absolutely!!
Your god has talked to you personally?
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
All believers talk to God on a regular and personal basis. In actuality God
speaks to you, a non-believer, also, you just choose to ignore the Divine
voice for guidance in your life.
In His Service,
Dennis
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
17 Nov 2005 08:48:13 AM |
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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snkp
All believers talk to God on a regular and personal basis.
That's not true. All of my inlaws are believers and I know for a fact that
they don't do this.
In actuality God
speaks to you, a non-believer,
Really? Prove it.
also, you just choose to ignore the Divine
voice for guidance in your life.
Perhaps he/she/it should speak up.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Dennis" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
17 Nov 2005 09:27:53 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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snkp
All believers talk to God on a regular and personal basis.
That's not true. All of my inlaws are believers and I know for a fact
that
they don't do this.
Then they are not true believers.
In actuality God
speaks to you, a non-believer,
Really? Prove it.
Read Genesis through Revelation and ask God for wisdom and understanding,
then when you have completed the assignment, we will speak further. Until
you do your part, why do you expect me to do it for you?
In His Service,
Dennis
also, you just choose to ignore the Divine
voice for guidance in your life.
Perhaps he/she/it should speak up.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
18 Nov 2005 10:11:06 AM |
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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snkp
All believers talk to God on a regular and personal basis.
That's not true. All of my inlaws are believers and I know for a fact
that
they don't do this.
Then they are not true believers.
Your opinion.
In actuality God
speaks to you, a non-believer,
Really? Prove it.
Read Genesis through Revelation and ask God for wisdom and understanding,
then when you have completed the assignment, we will speak further. Until
you do your part, why do you expect me to do it for you?
LOL! That's a good one. You're pretty funny.
No really, prove it.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
17 Nov 2005 09:47:35 PM |
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in news:BYOdnTykN9J91-DeRVn-
sw@fidnet.com:
Read Genesis through Revelation and ask God for wisdom and understanding,
then when you have completed the assignment, we will speak further. Until
you do your part, why do you expect me to do it for you?
Read the KJ Bible cover to cover. It made me a stronger atheist. I'd
follow not man or god who commits genocide, orders rape or torture, kills
the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, or any of the hudnreds of other
vile acts attributed to him.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
An immoral god - a hangover from stone age minds - still corrupts human
mentality with its scapegoat justice and the threat of eternal damnation.
-- (Reverend) Reginald Howard Bass
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| User: "Dennis" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
18 Nov 2005 04:31:07 AM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in news:BYOdnTykN9J91-DeRVn-
sw@fidnet.com:
Read Genesis through Revelation and ask God for wisdom and
understanding,
then when you have completed the assignment, we will speak further.
Until
you do your part, why do you expect me to do it for you?
Read the KJ Bible cover to cover. It made me a stronger atheist. I'd
follow not man or god who commits genocide, orders rape or torture, kills
the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, or any of the hudnreds of other
vile acts attributed to him.
Of course you blaim it on God for your diasbelief,even though it is a simple
choice to accept the truth or reject it. Again I say that atheism cannot
exist, it is only a coverup word for those that know God is real, but choose
to follow their own fleshly desires and attempt to justify them by saying
there is no God.
In His Service,
Dennis
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
An immoral god - a hangover from stone age minds - still corrupts human
mentality with its scapegoat justice and the threat of eternal damnation.
-- (Reverend) Reginald Howard Bass
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
18 Nov 2005 06:28:49 AM |
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Enkidu the Atheist" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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snip
Read the KJ Bible cover to cover. It made me a stronger atheist. I'd
follow not man or god who commits genocide, orders rape or torture, kills
the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, or any of the hudnreds of
other
vile acts attributed to him.
Of course you blaim it on God for your diasbelief
Dude, first of all, get yourself a spell checker.
Anyhoo, in case you haven't noticed, you're conversing with an atheist. An
atheist would no more blame your god for anything then you would blame the
Easter Bunny.
,even though it is a simple
choice to accept the truth or reject it.
Prove it's "the truth" first.
Again I say that atheism cannot
exist,
Who cares what you think? You're wrong.
it is only a coverup word for those that know God is real, but choose
to follow their own fleshly desires and attempt to justify them by saying
there is no God.
Oh brother. Talk about self-righteous ignorance. How sad.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Dennis" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
18 Nov 2005 07:03:04 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Enkidu the Atheist" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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Read the KJ Bible cover to cover. It made me a stronger atheist. I'd
follow not man or god who commits genocide, orders rape or torture,
kills
the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, or any of the hudnreds of
other
vile acts attributed to him.
Of course you blaim it on God for your diasbelief
Dude, first of all, get yourself a spell checker.
Typos happen to everyone, Dude!
Anyhoo, in case you haven't noticed, you're conversing with an atheist.
On the contrary, I am conversing with smeone looking for God.
An
atheist would no more blame your god for anything then you would blame the
Easter Bunny.
,even though it is a simple
choice to accept the truth or reject it.
Prove it's "the truth" first.
The truth is revealed, not proven. Your request is single sided.
Again I say that atheism cannot
exist,
Who cares what you think? You're wrong.
Apparently you care what I think, for you are taking time not only to read
my replies, but reply to them as well, so do not try to hide when you are
searching for God.
it is only a coverup word for those that know God is real, but choose
to follow their own fleshly desires and attempt to justify them by
saying
there is no God.
Oh brother. Talk about self-righteous ignorance. How sad.
Your fingers are pointing back at you.
In His Service,
Dennis
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
18 Nov 2005 10:14:20 AM |
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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"Enkidu the Atheist" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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snip
Read the KJ Bible cover to cover. It made me a stronger atheist. I'd
follow not man or god who commits genocide, orders rape or torture,
kills
the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, or any of the hudnreds of
other
vile acts attributed to him.
Of course you blaim it on God for your diasbelief
Dude, first of all, get yourself a spell checker.
Typos happen to everyone, Dude!
No *****, Sherlock, but that sentence is ridiculous.
Anyhoo, in case you haven't noticed, you're conversing with an atheist.
On the contrary, I am conversing with smeone looking for God.
No, you're conversing with an atheist. You stand corrected.
An
atheist would no more blame your god for anything then you would blame
the
Easter Bunny.
,even though it is a simple
choice to accept the truth or reject it.
Prove it's "the truth" first.
The truth is revealed, not proven. Your request is single sided.
Your answer is retarded. If it's the truth, prove it.
Again I say that atheism cannot
exist,
Who cares what you think? You're wrong.
Apparently you care what I think, for you are taking time not only to read
my replies, but reply to them as well, so do not try to hide when you are
searching for God.
Sorry, but I don't search for fictious characters. You?
it is only a coverup word for those that know God is real, but choose
to follow their own fleshly desires and attempt to justify them by
saying
there is no God.
Oh brother. Talk about self-righteous ignorance. How sad.
Your fingers are pointing back at you.
LOL - Is this your version of "I know you are, but what am I" It's very
weak.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Foundation of Christian Religion |
18 Nov 2005 05:10:42 AM |
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"Dennis" wrote
: Again I say that atheism cannot
: exist, it is only a coverup word for those that know God is real, but
choose
: to follow their own fleshly desires and attempt to justify them by saying
: there is no God.
But you are wrong!
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how on | | | | | | | | | |
