I think they understand well enough what it is they
find objectionable about contemporary social values and
their expression in the public schools.

jayne.kulikauskas@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, it is not uncommon to find people who dislike these things
homeschooling.

I think there must be a word or two missing from your
sentence.

The big philosophical problem I have with home
schoolers is, I can't escape a nagging feeling that
they're all (or mostly) religious fundies, and that
another thing they don't like about public schools is
one of the few things I *DO* like: the absence of
religion. I don't think you're going to find too many
regular Presbyterians or Lutherans or
Congregationalists or any other "main line" Protestants
doing home schooling; nor Catholics or Jews. No, it's
almost always going to be Third Church of God in Christ
Jeeeeeeesus (aka Church of the Gooey Death)
fundamentalist lowbrows. I'm not down with 'em.

That probably depends on where you live. Where I live (Ontario),

Canada, or Ontario California? I'm guessing Canada.

secular or non-fundamentalist religious parents make up a large
proportion of the homeschoolers. I homeschool myself and among the
other homeschoolers that I encounter, I'd say that around half fit that
category. I can imagine that this might not be true in the Bible
Belt.

There are many people who homeschool for non-religious reasons.

Mine would be non-religious, if I were to do it;
unless, of course, one considers (as I do) the
social-values indoctrination of the public schools to
be a form of state religion.

After all, there are several reasons to believe that individualized
instruction is superior to classroom instruction.

My concern is with the absence of social interaction.
Putting aside the formal indoctrination in the
professional educrats' socialization dogma, I think
it's generally good for students to learn among other
students.

Of course, that's taking as a given that the
other students are there to be students rather than
being parked in a form of state-funded child care, and
sadly that isn't the case in most of the public schools.

However, even if
most other people were homeschooling for religious reasons, how would
that affect you?

It doesn't affect me in any practical sense. You seem
to have missed the earlier part of this exchange,
possibly because the group(s) in which you're reading
this weren't all there at the outset. Another poster
more or less accused me, wrongly, of *being* in favor
of home schooling for fundamentalist religious reasons.
I didn't address his comment in my original reply,
and decided to readdress it.

I appreciate very much that in a free society, people
who have some religious objection to the public school
curriculum are free to withdraw from it and do home
schooling. I rather doubt they could get away with it
in such supposedly democratic nations as France or
Germany; I could be wrong.

Dionisio wrote:

Yeah, few parents take a genuine interest in their child's education,

I take lots of interest in both his instruction and his education (two
different things; you wouldn't understand). He knows the alphabet, he
can spell any word he sees, he can read a very few small words, he can
count to 50 or so. He's learning every day.

You're going to have to learn, Dumbshitio: your way isn't the only
way.

"S. Maizlich" <s.e.maizlich@hertzburgh.eduu> wrote in message
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L. Michael Roberts wrote:

S. Maizlich wrote:

Andrealphus wrote:

In News Tvrbf.4969$2y.3306@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net,, S.
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
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<snip>

That would seem sort of like a given though, wouldn't it? If you don't
like what you are watching, change the channel.

There's a little more to it than that, though. I don't want to sit down
for what I wrongly guess to be a little family programming with my young
son, and have some inappropriate material be shown

Put your glasses on and carefully watch the top left of the screen as
the show is starting. It shows a big, easy to see rating - that avoids
all of the guesswork on suitability for younger children. This evening's
episodes of Family Guy and American Dad were both rated 14+ so obviously
unsuitable for children under 14.

That would be fine, except standards have slipped so low as to be
non-existent. What the popular culture

Write a letter to the standards committee.

S. Maizlich wrote:

L. Michael Roberts wrote:

S. Maizlich wrote:

Andrealphus wrote:

In News Tvrbf.4969$2y.3306@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net,, S.
Maizlich at s.e.maizlich@hertzburgh.eduu, typed this:

Enkidu the Atheist wrote:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
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<snip>

Put your glasses on and carefully watch the top left of the screen
as the show is starting. It shows a big, easy to see rating - that
avoids all of the guesswork on suitability for younger children. This
evening's episodes of Family Guy and American Dad were both rated 14+
so obviously unsuitable for children under 14.

That would be fine, except standards have slipped so low as to be
non-existent. What the popular culture thinks is suitable for 14 year
olds has been influenced by the disappearance of meaningful standards
over the last 40 or so years, so that it may be entirely at odds with
what *I* feel is suitable for a 14 year old.

I have no problem with your opinion. Use the ratings as a *guideline*
as to what the networks think and govern yourself and your child's
viewing accordingly. What people are complaining about in this thread
is attempts to limit consenting adults choice of viewing material simply
because some parents are too lazy to supervise their children's TV watching.

The popular culture, for
example, probably feels that the computer game "Grand Theft Auto", of
any edition, is suitable for some teenagers. I happen to think that
it's crap for anyone of any age, and if asked by anyone, I would say
"Don't buy it, for yourself or for any kid. It's morally corrosive trash."

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. If you don't like the
game, don't buy/play it.... but there is no reason why others can't buy
it and play it if they want to.

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S. Maizlich wrote:

L. Michael Roberts wrote:

S. Maizlich wrote:

Andrealphus wrote:

In News Tvrbf.4969$2y.3306@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net,, S.
Maizlich at s.e.maizlich@hertzburgh.eduu, typed this:

Enkidu the Atheist wrote:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_YCdnb0IVsW0BfDeRVn-pg@giganews.com:

<snip>

Put your glasses on and carefully watch the top left of the
screen as the show is starting. It shows a big, easy to see rating -
that avoids all of the guesswork on suitability for younger
children. This evening's episodes of Family Guy and American Dad
were both rated 14+ so obviously unsuitable for children under 14.

That would be fine, except standards have slipped so low as to be
non-existent. What the popular culture thinks is suitable for 14 year
olds has been influenced by the disappearance of meaningful standards
over the last 40 or so years, so that it may be entirely at odds with
what *I* feel is suitable for a 14 year old.

I have no problem with your opinion. Use the ratings as a
*guideline* as to what the networks think and govern yourself and your
child's viewing accordingly. What people are complaining about in this
thread is attempts to limit consenting adults choice of viewing material
simply because some parents are too lazy to supervise their children's
TV watching.

The popular culture, for
example, probably feels that the computer game "Grand Theft Auto", of
any edition, is suitable for some teenagers. I happen to think that
it's crap for anyone of any age, and if asked by anyone, I would say
"Don't buy it, for yourself or for any kid. It's morally corrosive
trash."

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

If you don't like
the game, don't buy/play it.... but there is no reason why others can't
buy it and play it if they want to.

S. Maizlich wrote:

Dubh Ghall wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:59:15 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlich@hertzburgh.eduu>
wrote:

<snip>

I went to the site J Young linked - which isn't the PTC itself, btw -
and saw that it contained a description of the position of the PTC on
certain Fox shows:

Looking for some good family TV? Don’t tune in to
Fox on a Sunday night, or much of any other night
for that matter.

Three Fox comedies, “The War at Home,” “The Family
Guy,” and “American Dad,” are among the worst
prime-time shows for family viewing, according to
the Parents Television Council.

Strange. I just watched this week's episode of Family Guy which was
about the FCC censoring TV and then real life... the fundies should have
loved it.

This week's episode of American Dad had the main character
posted to Saudi Arabia where he was having a wonderful time fitting in
with the oppression of women culture