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University of Western Florida "Free Thinkers" Discussion
Evolution: Dawkins vs. Gould=20
By Jonathan Sampson=20
Recently I had attended a =93Free Thinkers=94 open forum on =
evolutionary theory presented by Dr. Ferguson of the University of =
Western Florida. I will commend Dr. Ferguson for a well-put presentation =
that was very intriguing and educational. I feel she did a very =
wonderful job presenting the information provided by both men. Also =
present this evening was Dr. Jay E Gould who is an associate professor =
of Psychology and is also very intelligent. When Dr. Ferguson had =
finished her speech on the =93tree of life=94 in regards to Steven J. =
Gould=92s perspective, Richard Dawkins=92 perspective, and additionally, =
Bart Simpson=92s perspective (i.e. Protozoa=92s evolving into newts; and =
newts into fig newton=92s) the presentation had come to a conclusion and =
the Question and Answers session had begun.=20
As I sat in the back row and listened to the many questions =
that were wrapped and shipped with a presupposition that evolution (in =
the sense of protozoa=92s to men) has occurred I was warm-hearted when a =
woman in the back of the room raised her hand and stated that she was a =
Christian. She then stated that she was uncomfortable with this =
=93theory=94 being presented as a =93fact=94 to our children and asked =
that the professors present her with =93empirical facts=94 that would =
support such an idea. Gladly, Dr. Ferguson started explaining antibiotic =
resistance and it=92s support for macroevolution. A couple other =
questions were then asked and answered by the professors just before I =
raised my hand and asked a question that went somewhat like the =
following:=20
=93I had read much of Gould=92s work and also Dawkins=92 =
work and I understand that Gould with his theory of punctuated =
equilibrium has a small problem with stasis. For example the Coelacanth =
that was found not too long ago thought to have gone extinct some 250+/- =
million years ago is now found in colonies; more recently the Tuatara, =
which is also known as a =93living fossil=94. How does Dawkins approach =
such things?=94=20
In response to my question, Dr. Ferguson made a comment =
somewhat like the following,=20
=94Evolution is observed to happen in fluctuations, ups and =
downs, moving forward and backwards with mass extinctions and the like. =
For example we can observe Darwin=92s finches on the Galapagos Islands =
and the effect the atmospheric changes have on their beaks. During wet =
seasons they are smaller; and during dry seasons they are larger. So we =
can see that evolution is not always a constant uphill effect; often a =
down hill mechanism.=94
(ed. Note: The above quote is not exact; paraphrased from =
memory)=20
Following her response I asked how this type of observation =
justifies us in concluding a colony of parameciums can eventually give =
rise to a colony of humans when all we observe are predominantly =
fluctuations within different types of creatures. It was about this time =
that Dr. Jay E. Gould entered into the discussion and made a comment to =
the effect of=20
=93We don=92t just see fluctuations within populations; we =
can look back through the fossil record and see actual changes. Lets =
take the evolution of the whale for example. We can see how it has =
changed over time and is now as we see today.=94
(ed. Note: the above is a paraphrased version of Gould=92s =
response)=20
With this I commented that no post-cranial skeletal =
structures were found when Pakicetus was discovered. Hardly anything was =
found at all to be completely honest. A few pieces of a wolf-like skull =
were found and the inner ear resembled that of a modern day whale=92s =
inner ear. This was the evidence that Pakicetus is an ancestor to =
today=92s whale. I then asked how we can logically come to the =
conclusion that Pakicetus is an ancestor to today=92s modern whale when =
the findings were very scarce and actually resembling a wolf-like animal =
instead of an aquatic creature.=20
Dr. Gould then made the comment that I had obviously read =
into what we were discussing and was then interrupted by Dr. Ferguson =
who I do believe made the comment that we were getting off the subject =
or outside of biological discussion. I still to this point do not =
understand what I said that was outside of the parent topic of =
discussion but I was unable to get a clear answer from either of the two =
how they can logically come to such conclusions with such =
=93evidence=94.=20
Soon thereafter the presentation in a whole had ended and =
the audience was free to snacks and refreshments. I made my way over to =
Dr. Gould to speak more with him and unfortunately I cannot recall what =
exactly was said from either of us. I found myself speaking with another =
gentleman whose name was Scott. Scott was the organizer of the =
discussion and also an atheist from what I recall. Scott then went on to =
discuss religion and the like when I interrupted him and asked why he =
was talking about religion when I asked science-based questions. =
Apparently when I had asked my questions; I made it known where I work =
and that was enough to discredit everything I had asked. Other than =
stating my name and work location; I made no implications to religious =
or dogmatic ideas or theories. This however was enough for Scott to =
effortlessly attempt to drag the discussion to religious grounds over =
and over. Scott did make it known that he is more equipped to discuss =
religion on the spot as opposed to evolutionary history and =
=93evidences=94 used to support it.=20
I stated clearly that I wasn=92t at the evolutionary =
discussion to speak or defend religion; but instead to challenge =
evolutionary theory and the supporters of it. Nonetheless, Scott =
continued to change the subject to religion. Shortly there after, two =
Christians who also shared my view confronted me and we had a wonderful =
discussion. Both, familiar with Dr. Hovind and Creation Science =
Evangelism openly expressed their relief to see another Christian in =
attendance. We spoke for a few minutes and then we all left the =
conference room.=20
This was my first personal =93debate=94 with professors and =
I honestly feel compelled to state that I am deeply unimpressed. Not =
only were my questions left unanswered; but also they were merely =
shrugged off in attempts to change the subject. Without making any =
religious implications (aside from my introduction) I was instantly =
stereotyped as being =93religious=94 for simply and effectively =
questioning the =93sacred cow=94 of evolution.=20
In short, evolution has become a god to many. It has adapted =
the first of the Ten Commandments that God gave to us, =93Have no other =
Gods before me=94. Evolutionists have taken this into effect with their =
pagan religion and when confronted with evidence against their theory; =
they fall upon this first commandment and rebuke any =93free =
thinking=94. This is a sad truth=20
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<P><FONT size=3D4><B>University of Western Florida "Free =
Thinkers"=20
Discussion</B></FONT><BR><B>Evolution: Dawkins vs. Gould</B> =
</P>
<P align=3Djustify>By Jonathan Sampson </P>
<P align=3Djustify>Recently I had attended a =93Free =
Thinkers=94 open=20
forum on evolutionary theory presented by Dr. Ferguson of =
the=20
University of Western Florida. I will commend Dr. Ferguson =
for a=20
well-put presentation that was very intriguing and =
educational. I=20
feel she did a very wonderful job presenting the information =
provided by both men. Also present this evening was Dr. Jay =
E Gould=20
who is an associate professor of Psychology and is also very =
intelligent. When Dr. Ferguson had finished her speech on =
the =93tree=20
of life=94 in regards to Steven J. Gould=92s perspective, =
Richard=20
Dawkins=92 perspective, and additionally, Bart Simpson=92s =
perspective=20
(i.e. Protozoa=92s evolving into newts; and newts into fig =
newton=92s)=20
the presentation had come to a conclusion and the Question =
and=20
Answers session had begun. </P>
<P align=3Djustify>As I sat in the back row and listened to =
the many=20
questions that were wrapped and shipped with a =
presupposition that=20
evolution (in the sense of protozoa=92s to men) has occurred =
I was=20
warm-hearted when a woman in the back of the room raised her =
hand=20
and stated that she was a Christian. She then stated that =
she was=20
uncomfortable with this =93theory=94 being presented as a =
=93fact=94 to our=20
children and asked that the professors present her with =
=93empirical=20
facts=94 that would support such an idea. Gladly, Dr. =
Ferguson started=20
explaining antibiotic resistance and it=92s support for=20
macroevolution. A couple other questions were then asked and =
answered by the professors just before I raised my hand and =
asked a=20
question that went somewhat like the following: </P>
<P style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 25px; PADDING-LEFT: 25px" =
align=3Djustify>=93I=20
had read much of Gould=92s work and also Dawkins=92 work and =
I=20
understand that Gould with his theory of punctuated =
equilibrium has=20
a small problem with stasis. For example the Coelacanth that =
was=20
found not too long ago thought to have gone extinct some =
250+/-=20
million years ago is now found in colonies; more recently =
the=20
Tuatara, which is also known as a =93living fossil=94. How =
does Dawkins=20
approach such things?=94 </P>
<P align=3Djustify>In response to my question, Dr. Ferguson =
made a=20
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align=3Djustify>=94Evolution is observed to happen in =
fluctuations, ups=20
and downs, moving forward and backwards with mass =
extinctions and=20
the like. For example we can observe Darwin=92s finches on =
the=20
Galapagos Islands and the effect the atmospheric changes =
have on=20
their beaks. During wet seasons they are smaller; and during =
dry=20
seasons they are larger. So we can see that evolution is not =
always=20
a constant uphill effect; often a down hill =
mechanism.=94<BR>(ed.=20
Note: The above quote is not exact; paraphrased from memory) =
</P>
<P align=3Djustify>Following her response I asked how this =
type of=20
observation justifies us in concluding a colony of =
parameciums can=20
eventually give rise to a colony of humans when all we =
observe are=20
predominantly fluctuations within different types of =
creatures. It=20
was about this time that Dr. Jay E. Gould entered into the=20
discussion and made a comment to the effect of </P>
<P style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 25px; PADDING-LEFT: 25px" =
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don=92t just see fluctuations within populations; we can =
look back=20
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changed=20
over time and is now as we see today.=94<BR>(ed. Note: the =
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<P align=3Djustify>With this I commented that no =
post-cranial skeletal=20
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anything=20
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wolf-like skull were found and the inner ear resembled that =
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logically=20
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today=92s=20
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creature. </P>
<P align=3Djustify>Dr. Gould then made the comment that I =
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interrupted=20
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answer=20
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<P align=3Djustify>Soon thereafter the presentation in a =
whole had=20
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I made=20
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unfortunately I=20
cannot recall what exactly was said from either of us. I =
found=20
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Scott=20
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effortlessly=20
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over.=20
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religion=20
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=93evidences=94 used=20
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challenge=20
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Scott=20
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after,=20
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had a=20
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Creation=20
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another=20
Christian in attendance. We spoke for a few minutes and then =
we all=20
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<P align=3Djustify>This was my first personal =93debate=94 =
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unimpressed.=20
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were=20
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introduction) I was=20
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to us,=20
=93Have no other Gods before me=94. Evolutionists have taken =
this into=20
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
16 Aug 2004 07:21:55 AM |
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"Soren K." <SorenKisburning@inhell.com> wrote:
In short, evolution has become a god to many. It has adapted the
first of the Ten Commandments that God gave to us, "Have no other
Gods before me". Evolutionists have taken this into effect with
their pagan religion and when confronted with evidence against
their theory; they fall upon this first commandment and rebuke
any "free thinking". This is a sad truth
First, let me say that I agree with the above. I think that many people
simply accept that evolution is fact without attempting to learn much at
all about the subject. Of course many people also accept that the sun is
hot as fact without learning much about that subject either so I'm not
sure why this would be a "sad truth".
<http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html>
Whether you accept that a particular fossil that doesn't look much like
a whale is part of the whale's family tree or not, there have been
observed speciation events. Have I personally observed a speciation
event? No, but then I haven't personally set foot on the sun to see if
it is hot either.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
16 Aug 2004 08:00:41 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:21:55 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote:
"Soren K." <SorenKisburning@inhell.com> wrote:
In short, evolution has become a god to many. It has adapted the
first of the Ten Commandments that God gave to us, "Have no other
Gods before me". Evolutionists have taken this into effect with
their pagan religion and when confronted with evidence against
their theory; they fall upon this first commandment and rebuke
any "free thinking". This is a sad truth
First, let me say that I agree with the above. I think that many people
simply accept that evolution is fact without attempting to learn much at
all about the subject. Of course many people also accept that the sun is
hot as fact without learning much about that subject either so I'm not
sure why this would be a "sad truth".
Actually, no. The reason it is accepted is because the explanations
work powerfully, predictably and predictively.
"Soren" was of course lying, and there is no such such thing as an
"evolutionist" - let alone his strawman.
Which is hardly a "sad truth".
The sad truth is the ignorance and dishonesty of creationists.
<http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html>
Whether you accept that a particular fossil that doesn't look much like
a whale is part of the whale's family tree or not, there have been
observed speciation events. Have I personally observed a speciation
event? No, but then I haven't personally set foot on the sun to see if
it is hot either.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
17 Aug 2004 06:11:33 AM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:21:55 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@eathlink.net> screamed out:
"Soren K." <SorenKisburning@inhell.com> wrote:
In short, evolution has become a god to many. It has adapted the
first of the Ten Commandments that God gave to us, "Have no other
Gods before me". Evolutionists have taken this into effect with
their pagan religion and when confronted with evidence against
their theory; they fall upon this first commandment and rebuke
any "free thinking". This is a sad truth
First, let me say that I agree with the above. I think that many people
simply accept that evolution is fact without attempting to learn much at
all about the subject. Of course many people also accept that the sun is
hot as fact without learning much about that subject either so I'm not
sure why this would be a "sad truth".
<http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html>
Whether you accept that a particular fossil that doesn't look much like
a whale is part of the whale's family tree or not, there have been
observed speciation events. Have I personally observed a speciation
event? No, but then I haven't personally set foot on the sun to see if
it is hot either.
There have been observed microevolution events. That's
it, nothing more.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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"If life had evolved into its wondrous profusion of
creatures little by little, Dr. Eldredge argues, then
one would expect to find fossils of transitional
creatures which were a bit like what went before them
and a bit like what came after. But no one has yet
found any evidence of such transitional creatures.
This oddity has been attributed to gaps in the fossil
record which gradualists expected to fill when rock
strata of the proper age had been found. In the last
decade, however, geologists have found rock layers of
all divisions of the last 500 million years and no
transitional forms were contained in them." (The
Guardian Weekly, 26 Nov 1978, vol 119, no 22, p. 1)
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
18 Aug 2004 05:17:41 PM |
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In article <gup3i0htignbufml546mee3em5v6enol53@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:21:55 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@eathlink.net> screamed out:
"Soren K." <SorenKisburning@inhell.com> wrote:
In short, evolution has become a god to many. It has adapted the
first of the Ten Commandments that God gave to us, "Have no other
Gods before me". Evolutionists have taken this into effect with
their pagan religion and when confronted with evidence against
their theory; they fall upon this first commandment and rebuke
any "free thinking". This is a sad truth
First, let me say that I agree with the above. I think that many people
simply accept that evolution is fact without attempting to learn much at
all about the subject. Of course many people also accept that the sun is
hot as fact without learning much about that subject either so I'm not
sure why this would be a "sad truth".
<http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html>
Whether you accept that a particular fossil that doesn't look much like
a whale is part of the whale's family tree or not, there have been
observed speciation events. Have I personally observed a speciation
event? No, but then I haven't personally set foot on the sun to see if
it is hot either.
There have been observed microevolution events. That's
it, nothing more.
You got me there, there are actually only two species in the world
"animal" and "plant". All the incredible variety we see is simply
microevolution implemented over long periods of time...
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
20 Aug 2004 08:15:59 AM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:17:41 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@eathlink.net> screamed out:
In article <gup3i0htignbufml546mee3em5v6enol53@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:21:55 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@eathlink.net> screamed out:
"Soren K." <SorenKisburning@inhell.com> wrote:
In short, evolution has become a god to many. It has adapted the
first of the Ten Commandments that God gave to us, "Have no other
Gods before me". Evolutionists have taken this into effect with
their pagan religion and when confronted with evidence against
their theory; they fall upon this first commandment and rebuke
any "free thinking". This is a sad truth
First, let me say that I agree with the above. I think that many people
simply accept that evolution is fact without attempting to learn much at
all about the subject. Of course many people also accept that the sun is
hot as fact without learning much about that subject either so I'm not
sure why this would be a "sad truth".
<http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html>
Whether you accept that a particular fossil that doesn't look much like
a whale is part of the whale's family tree or not, there have been
observed speciation events. Have I personally observed a speciation
event? No, but then I haven't personally set foot on the sun to see if
it is hot either.
There have been observed microevolution events. That's
it, nothing more.
You got me there, there are actually only two species in the world
"animal" and "plant". All the incredible variety we see is simply
microevolution implemented over long periods of time...
Once again, a claim of macroevolution that tries to
deny that macroevolution is what you believe.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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"One cannot be exposed to the law and order of the
universe without concluding that there must be design
and purpose behind it all... The better we understand
the intricacies of the universe and all it harbors,
the more reason we have found to marvel at the inherent
design upon which it is based... To be forced to
believe only one conclusion --- that everything in the
universe happened by chance --- would violate the very
objectivity of science itself... What random process
could produce the brains of man or the system of the
human eye? They (evolutionists) challenge science to
prove the existence of God. But must we really light
a candle to see the Sun? ... They say they cannot
visualize a designer. Well, can a physicist visualize
an electron? ...What strange rationale makes some
physicists accept the inconceivable electron as real
while refusing to accept the reality of a Designer on
the ground that they cannot conceive Him?"
- Dennis R. Petersen, Unlocking the Mysteries
of Creation, Vol 1
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20 Aug 2004 12:25:05 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Uh, here we got another "soldier of christ"! How lovable! But, what does
serve a sword, if you trust in the power of your word?
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B. Catalano
www.alexamenos.com
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20 Aug 2004 05:58:27 PM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:25:05 GMT, "BMR"
<nospam@alexamenos.com> screamed out:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Uh, here we got another "soldier of christ"! How lovable! But, what does
serve a sword, if you trust in the power of your word?
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the
Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
Read the Bible, before criticizing.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Dixit" |
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21 Aug 2004 10:59:06 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:25:05 GMT, "BMR"
<nospam@alexamenos.com> screamed out:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:pbubi0lkoa6k4ltdp7nu02351kh6cmdak8@4ax.com...
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Uh, here we got another "soldier of christ"! How lovable! But, what does
serve a sword, if you trust in the power of your word?
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the
Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
Then you don't need a real helmet or sword, all you need is salvation
and the word of God.
But there is no God known to be, and no eternal life, so that leaves
you naked and unarmed.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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21 Aug 2004 11:18:33 AM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:59:06 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
Pastor Dave wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:25:05 GMT, "BMR"
<nospam@alexamenos.com> screamed out:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:pbubi0lkoa6k4ltdp7nu02351kh6cmdak8@4ax.com...
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Uh, here we got another "soldier of christ"! How lovable! But, what does
serve a sword, if you trust in the power of your word?
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the
Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
Then you don't need a real helmet or sword, all you need is salvation
and the word of God.
But there is no God known to be, and no eternal life, so that leaves
you naked and unarmed.
You like to make claims of fact, yet here, posit
nothing more than your belief.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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When Christianity becomes religion,
it leaves the heart hungry.
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21 Aug 2004 02:22:41 PM |
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In talk.atheism Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:59:06 GMT, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
screamed out:
Pastor Dave wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:25:05 GMT, "BMR"
<nospam@alexamenos.com> screamed out:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:pbubi0lkoa6k4ltdp7nu02351kh6cmdak8@4ax.com...
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Uh, here we got another "soldier of christ"! How lovable! But, what does
serve a sword, if you trust in the power of your word?
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the
Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
Then you don't need a real helmet or sword, all you need is salvation
and the word of God.
But there is no God known to be, and no eternal life, so that leaves
you naked and unarmed.
You like to make claims of fact, yet here, posit
nothing more than your belief.
Projecting again, Davey?
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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| User: "Dixit" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
20 Aug 2004 10:52:34 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:17:41 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@eathlink.net> screamed out:
In article <gup3i0htignbufml546mee3em5v6enol53@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:21:55 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@eathlink.net> screamed out:
"Soren K." <SorenKisburning@inhell.com> wrote:
In short, evolution has become a god to many. It has adapted the
first of the Ten Commandments that God gave to us, "Have no other
Gods before me". Evolutionists have taken this into effect with
their pagan religion and when confronted with evidence against
their theory; they fall upon this first commandment and rebuke
any "free thinking". This is a sad truth
First, let me say that I agree with the above. I think that many people
simply accept that evolution is fact without attempting to learn much at
all about the subject. Of course many people also accept that the sun is
hot as fact without learning much about that subject either so I'm not
sure why this would be a "sad truth".
<http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html>
Whether you accept that a particular fossil that doesn't look much like
a whale is part of the whale's family tree or not, there have been
observed speciation events. Have I personally observed a speciation
event? No, but then I haven't personally set foot on the sun to see if
it is hot either.
There have been observed microevolution events. That's
it, nothing more.
You got me there, there are actually only two species in the world
"animal" and "plant". All the incredible variety we see is simply
microevolution implemented over long periods of time...
Once again, a claim of macroevolution that tries to
deny that macroevolution is what you believe.
It's not a claim or a religious belief, knucklehead, evolution is a fact.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html
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20 Aug 2004 01:13:42 PM |
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In article <67pVc.196517$eM2.9260@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Once again, a claim of macroevolution that tries to
deny that macroevolution is what you believe.
It's not a claim or a religious belief, knucklehead, evolution is a fact.
Then is one not allowed to believe in it?
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| User: "Dixit" |
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21 Aug 2004 10:52:39 AM |
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Virgil wrote:
In article <67pVc.196517$eM2.9260@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Once again, a claim of macroevolution that tries to
deny that macroevolution is what you believe.
It's not a claim or a religious belief, knucklehead, evolution is a fact.
Then is one not allowed to believe in it?
Does anyone's personal subjective conviction (belief) have any bearing
on the matter? No sir, evolution is a fact, not a religious belief like
the Christian Belief for example.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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21 Aug 2004 01:11:47 PM |
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In article <bdKVc.14510$9d6.14484@attbi_s54>, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <67pVc.196517$eM2.9260@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Once again, a claim of macroevolution that tries to
deny that macroevolution is what you believe.
It's not a claim or a religious belief, knucklehead, evolution is a fact.
Then is one not allowed to believe in it?
Does anyone's personal subjective conviction (belief) have any bearing
on the matter? No sir
Something which no one believes, no matter how true, is largely
irrelevant to human thought. So beliefs affect behaviour. If it is
Septic Capon, the Simple Pimple's thesis that behaviour has no bearing
on anything, perhaps that explains why he behaves so badly.
Before Newton, anyone suggesting that the falling of an apple and the
motions of the moon were cousins would have been regarded as insane.
evolution is a fact, not a religious belief like
the Christian Belief for example.
Evolution is a theory correlating millions of facts, it is much too
complex to be merely a fact.
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| User: "Dixit" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:47:15 PM |
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Virgil wrote:
In article <bdKVc.14510$9d6.14484@attbi_s54>, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <67pVc.196517$eM2.9260@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Once again, a claim of macroevolution that tries to
deny that macroevolution is what you believe.
It's not a claim or a religious belief, knucklehead, evolution is a fact.
Then is one not allowed to believe in it?
Does anyone's personal subjective conviction (belief) have any bearing
on the matter? No sir
Something which no one believes, no matter how true, is largely
irrelevant to human thought.
You are just equivocating on the term, believe. Does anyone's personal
subjective conviction (belief) have any bearing on the matter? No sir,
evolution is a fact, not a religious belief like the Christian Belief
for example.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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22 Aug 2004 06:21:36 PM |
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In article <Tn9Wc.23953$9d6.1825@attbi_s54>, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <bdKVc.14510$9d6.14484@attbi_s54>, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <67pVc.196517$eM2.9260@attbi_s51>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
Once again, a claim of macroevolution that tries to
deny that macroevolution is what you believe.
It's not a claim or a religious belief, knucklehead, evolution is a fact.
Then is one not allowed to believe in it?
Does anyone's personal subjective conviction (belief) have any bearing
on the matter?
Yes, sir! If no one had any beliefs on the subject, these postings would
never have come into existence. Without conflicting beliefs, there is no
issue.
Something which no one believes, no matter how true, is largely
irrelevant to human thought.
You are just equivocating on the term, believe.
You are just ignoring the meaning of the term "believe".
If no one believed in any gods, would an atheism neswgroup exist? The
existence of beliefs in gods is relevant, regardless of whether any gods
actually exist or not.
Does anyone's personal subjective conviction (belief) have any
bearing on the matter?
IF no one believed in evolution, as was once the case, no one would be
considering it and its validity would be irrelevant.
There are, no doubt, valid theories yet to be discovered. But since no
one believes in them, or may even have any idea of them, they are, as
yet, irrelevant to what we now believe and/or know.
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
And it is not a fixed thory, the details of the theory continue to
change to fit new facts as they become available.
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22 Aug 2004 10:34:26 PM |
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Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in
news:ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-93B82C.17213622082004@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
In article <Tn9Wc.23953$9d6.1825@attbi_s54>, Dixit <dix@nospam.net>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <bdKVc.14510$9d6.14484@attbi_s54>, Dixit
<dix@nospam.net> wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <67pVc.196517$eM2.9260@attbi_s51>, Dixit
<dix@nospam.com> wrote:
Once again, a claim of macroevolution that tries to
deny that macroevolution is what you believe.
It's not a claim or a religious belief, knucklehead, evolution is
a fact.
Then is one not allowed to believe in it?
Does anyone's personal subjective conviction (belief) have any
bearing on the matter?
Yes, sir! If no one had any beliefs on the subject, these postings
would never have come into existence. Without conflicting beliefs,
there is no issue.
Something which no one believes, no matter how true, is largely
irrelevant to human thought.
You are just equivocating on the term, believe.
You are just ignoring the meaning of the term "believe".
If no one believed in any gods, would an atheism neswgroup exist? The
existence of beliefs in gods is relevant, regardless of whether any
gods actually exist or not.
Does anyone's personal subjective conviction (belief) have any
bearing on the matter?
IF no one believed in evolution, as was once the case, no one would be
considering it and its validity would be irrelevant.
There are, no doubt, valid theories yet to be discovered. But since no
one believes in them, or may even have any idea of them, they are, as
yet, irrelevant to what we now believe and/or know.
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
And it is not a fixed thory, the details of the theory continue to
change to fit new facts as they become available.
Same with gravity.
Gravity and evolution both exist and occur.
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Read the Bible, because we need more atheists.
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22 Aug 2004 11:07:24 PM |
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Snippy
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23 Aug 2004 07:49:22 AM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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Scripture determines what the church teaches.
If a tradition or experience is contrary to the
teachings of Scripture, it is not of the Lord.
Reason is a significant authority. But it too,
must be placed under the dominion of Scripture.
In other words, we cannot seek Biblical truths,
while questioning the authority of the Bible.
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| User: "H.D.S" |
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23 Aug 2004 03:48:14 PM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:etpji0trec1aq2mjgh0pg88f6f29kubc5i@4ax.com:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
You already rejected that dog / wolf speciation is proof of evolution.
You are in denial, and it is obvious no amount of scientific information
will matter to you.
I'm sure the depth of your biological and evolutionary knowledge is what
has been posted on these NGs. If you had any real intention to understand
the theory, and the almost limitless evidence to support it, you wouldn't
be here debating such trivial points.
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23 Aug 2004 03:58:22 PM |
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H.D.S wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:etpji0trec1aq2mjgh0pg88f6f29kubc5i@4ax.com:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
You already rejected that dog / wolf speciation is proof of evolution.
You are in denial, and it is obvious no amount of scientific information
will matter to you.
And no amount of scripture from any Sacred text will matter to you either.
I'm sure the depth of your biological and evolutionary knowledge is what
has been posted on these NGs. If you had any real intention to understand
the theory, and the almost limitless evidence to support it, you wouldn't
be here debating such trivial points.
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
23 Aug 2004 04:18:11 PM |
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"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
news:OTsWc.9670$izj1.4859@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
H.D.S wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:etpji0trec1aq2mjgh0pg88f6f29kubc5i@4ax.com:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
You already rejected that dog / wolf speciation is proof of evolution.
You are in denial, and it is obvious no amount of scientific information
will matter to you.
And no amount of scripture from any Sacred text will matter to you either.
That is because there is no 'sacred' text.
<snip>
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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23 Aug 2004 04:19:46 PM |
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Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
news:OTsWc.9670$izj1.4859@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
H.D.S wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:etpji0trec1aq2mjgh0pg88f6f29kubc5i@4ax.com:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
You already rejected that dog / wolf speciation is proof of evolution.
You are in denial, and it is obvious no amount of scientific information
will matter to you.
And no amount of scripture from any Sacred text will matter to you either.
That is because there is no 'sacred' text.
Well put for a sociopath. Too bad you remain oblivious under the spell
of the fallen intelligence.
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
23 Aug 2004 04:55:48 PM |
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"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
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H.D.S wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:etpji0trec1aq2mjgh0pg88f6f29kubc5i@4ax.com:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
You already rejected that dog / wolf speciation is proof of evolution.
You are in denial, and it is obvious no amount of scientific
information
will matter to you.
And no amount of scripture from any Sacred text will matter to you
either.
That is because there is no 'sacred' text.
Well put for a sociopath. Too bad you remain oblivious under the spell
of the fallen intelligence.
Yeah man, my intelligence is really fallen, especially when compared to
yours. If your intelligence is an example of the intelligence we are
supposed to have I'll just stick with what I have.
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
23 Aug 2004 04:57:44 PM |
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Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
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H.D.S wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:etpji0trec1aq2mjgh0pg88f6f29kubc5i@4ax.com:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
You already rejected that dog / wolf speciation is proof of evolution.
You are in denial, and it is obvious no amount of scientific
information
will matter to you.
And no amount of scripture from any Sacred text will matter to you
either.
That is because there is no 'sacred' text.
Well put for a sociopath. Too bad you remain oblivious under the spell
of the fallen intelligence.
Yeah man, my intelligence is really fallen, especially when compared to
yours. If your intelligence is an example of the intelligence we are
supposed to have I'll just stick with what I have.
Go ahead, its your loss really. And when you perish from this world,
and meet your doom, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
23 Aug 2004 06:02:56 PM |
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"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
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H.D.S wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:etpji0trec1aq2mjgh0pg88f6f29kubc5i@4ax.com:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
You already rejected that dog / wolf speciation is proof of
evolution.
You are in denial, and it is obvious no amount of scientific
information
will matter to you.
And no amount of scripture from any Sacred text will matter to you
either.
That is because there is no 'sacred' text.
Well put for a sociopath. Too bad you remain oblivious under the spell
of the fallen intelligence.
Yeah man, my intelligence is really fallen, especially when compared to
yours. If your intelligence is an example of the intelligence we are
supposed to have I'll just stick with what I have.
Go ahead, its your loss really. And when you perish from this world,
and meet your doom, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Oh, the threat. When all else fails the fundie relies on the threat. Too bad
that the typical fundie doesn't have a clue as to how little this bothers an
atheist. Because the average fundie is scared shitless by the threat, he
thinks it has the same effect on everyone. It doesn't.
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
23 Aug 2004 06:29:05 PM |
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Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
news:sLtWc.50288$UYx.16476@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
news:SbtWc.49934$UYx.47908@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Tom wrote:
"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
news:OTsWc.9670$izj1.4859@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
H.D.S wrote:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in
news:etpji0trec1aq2mjgh0pg88f6f29kubc5i@4ax.com:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:26 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com>
screamed out:
No sir, evolution is a fact...
Evolution is a theory, not a fact.
Gravity is a theory.
Are you saying gravity is not a fact?
We can drop a ball and see the effects of gravity. Now
show me what you believe.
You already rejected that dog / wolf speciation is proof of
evolution.
You are in denial, and it is obvious no amount of scientific
information
will matter to you.
And no amount of scripture from any Sacred text will matter to you
either.
That is because there is no 'sacred' text.
Well put for a sociopath. Too bad you remain oblivious under the spell
of the fallen intelligence.
Yeah man, my intelligence is really fallen, especially when compared to
yours. If your intelligence is an example of the intelligence we are
supposed to have I'll just stick with what I have.
Go ahead, its your loss really. And when you perish from this world,
and meet your doom, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Oh, the threat. When all else fails the fundie relies on the threat.
There is no 'threat' in what was said whatsoever. Filling in the blanks
again I see.
Too bad
that the typical fundie doesn't have a clue as to how little this bothers an
atheist. Because the average fundie is scared shitless by the threat, he
thinks it has the same effect on everyone. It doesn't.
Another fearful atheist blasphemer tries to project his insanity on the
whole world again.
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
23 Aug 2004 07:07:04 PM |
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<snip for brevity>
Well put for a sociopath. Too bad you remain oblivious under the
spell
of the fallen intelligence.
Yeah man, my intelligence is really fallen, especially when compared to
yours. If your intelligence is an example of the intelligence we are
supposed to have I'll just stick with what I have.
Go ahead, its your loss really. And when you perish from this world,
and meet your doom, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Oh, the threat. When all else fails the fundie relies on the threat.
There is no 'threat' in what was said whatsoever. Filling in the blanks
again I see.
In any converstion iwtg you, one must fill in the blanks. You don't provide
enough information for someome to do otherwise.
Too bad
that the typical fundie doesn't have a clue as to how little this
bothers an
atheist. Because the average fundie is scared shitless by the threat, he
thinks it has the same effect on everyone. It doesn't.
Another fearful atheist blasphemer tries to project his insanity on the
whole world again.
Really? Where? Perhaps you can point out this invisible projection in what I
said. You can do that can't you, "Mad"?
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
23 Aug 2004 07:41:47 PM |
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Tom wrote:
<snip for brevity>
Well put for a sociopath. Too bad you remain oblivious under the
spell
of the fallen intelligence.
Yeah man, my intelligence is really fallen, especially when compared to
yours. If your intelligence is an example of the intelligence we are
supposed to have I'll just stick with what I have.
Go ahead, its your loss really. And when you perish from this world,
and meet your doom, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Oh, the threat. When all else fails the fundie relies on the threat.
There is no 'threat' in what was said whatsoever. Filling in the blanks
again I see.
In any converstion iwtg you, one must fill in the blanks. You don't provide
enough information for someome to do otherwise.
Too bad
that the typical fundie doesn't have a clue as to how little this
bothers an
atheist. Because the average fundie is scared shitless by the threat, he
thinks it has the same effect on everyone. It doesn't.
Another fearful atheist blasphemer tries to project his insanity on the
whole world again.
Really? Where? Perhaps you can point out this invisible projection in what I
said. You can do that can't you, "Mad"?
You still don't know blasphemer?
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: "Free Thinkers" Discussion |
23 Aug 2004 08:11:10 PM |
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"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
<snip for brevity>
Well put for a sociopath. Too bad you remain oblivious under the
spell
of the fallen intelligence.
Yeah man, my intelligence is really fallen, especially when compared
to
yours. If your intelligence is an example of the intelligence we are
supposed to have I'll just stick with what I have.
Go ahead, its your loss really. And when you perish from this world,
and meet your doom, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Oh, the threat. When all else fails the fundie relies on the threat.
There is no 'threat' in what was said whatsoever. Filling in the blanks
again I see.
In any conversation with you, one must fill in the blanks. You don't
provide
enough information for someone to do otherwise.
Too bad
that the typical fundie doesn't have a clue as to how little this
bothers an
atheist. Because the average fundie is scared shitless by the threat,
he
thinks it has the same effect on everyone. It doesn't.
Another fearful atheist blasphemer tries to project his insanity on the
whole world again.
Really? Where? Perhaps you can point out this invisible projection in
what I
said. You can do that can't you, "Mad"?
You still don't know blasphemer?
No and you don't either!!!! If you did you would have said so but you are
only a liar and a fraud!
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