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20 Aug 2005 02:54:24 AM |
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Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching |
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
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Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching
By ROSE FRENCH, Associated Press WriterFri Aug 19, 4:01 PM ET
Echoing similar comments from President Bush, Senate Majority Leader
Bill Frist said "intelligent design" should be taught in public schools
alongside evolution.
Frist, R-Tenn., spoke to a Rotary Club meeting Friday and told reporters
afterward that students need to be exposed to different ideas, including
intelligent design.
"I think today a pluralistic society should have access to a broad range
of fact, of science, including faith," Frist said.
Frist, a doctor who graduated from Harvard Medical School, said exposing
children to both evolution and intelligent design "doesn't force any
particular theory on anyone. I think in a pluralistic society that is
the fairest way to go about education and training people for the
future."
The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to
have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have
had a hand in creation. Nearly all scientists dismiss it as a scientific
theory, and critics say it's nothing more than religion masquerading as
science.
Bush recently told a group of Texas reporters that intelligent design
and evolution should both be taught in schools "so people can understand
what the debate is about."
That comment sparked criticism from opponents, including Democratic
Party Chairman Howard Dean, who called Bush "anti-science."
Frist, who is considering a presidential campaign in 2008, recently
angered some conservatives by bucking Bush policy on embryonic stem cell
research, voicing his support for expanded research on the subject.
Frist said his decision to endorse stem cell research was "a matter of
science," but he said there was no conflict between his position on stem
cell research and his position on intelligent design.
"To me, I see no disconnect between that and stem cell research," Frist
said. "I base my beliefs on stem cell research both on science and my
faith."
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http://tinyurl.com/b8pq4
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "God" |
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20 Aug 2005 04:02:22 AM |
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Cometh the hour, cometh johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching
Hmm. "Frist". Sounds like a brand name for toothpaste, or ice lollies,
or lavatory cleaner.
"Hello kids, here's your Intelligent Design teacher, the Rev Feargal
O'Connor to give you an introduction to the subject, which is brought
to you by Frist, for a more brilliant white bowl. For the bits you
missed, get Frist"
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching |
20 Aug 2005 11:45:37 PM |
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In article <l3sdg15pi5edjru8hjinu3nap6fqjmj4o9@4ax.com>,
God <TheLord@heaven.gov> wrote:
Cometh the hour, cometh johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching
Hmm. "Frist". Sounds like a brand name for toothpaste, or ice lollies,
or lavatory cleaner.
"Hello kids, here's your Intelligent Design teacher, the Rev Feargal
O'Connor to give you an introduction to the subject, which is brought
to you by Frist, for a more brilliant white bowl. For the bits you
missed, get Frist"
Brown stain in your bowl? Frist gobbles it up.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Dianelos Georgoudis" |
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| Title: Re: Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching |
20 Aug 2005 11:55:43 AM |
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I understand Frist's reasoning. I agree that students should have
access to a broad range of fact, of science and of faith. That's why I
think that astrology should be taught in depth - after all it is firmly
believed by a solid majority of the people. I suppose that Frist, being
a doctor, will recognize that students should also be taught faith
based ideas about medicine, including voodoo therapeutical methods, for
example. Many people believe that the Holocaust never took place;
therefore their opinion and arguments should also be expounded in
schools, so that people can understand what the debate is about. For
the same reason, I don't see why the arguments that underpin racism
should not be expounded in the classroom. These ideas shouldn't of
course be forced on anybody, but in our pluralistic society children
should be exposed to the widest possible range of beliefs, so that they
can make up their own mind about them.
Intelligent design based on the Book of Genesis should definitely be
taught, as well as many other beliefs, such as the Brahman creation in
Hinduism, the Gnostic view of an evil demiurge, the Maori belief about
the tight embrace between Ranginui and Papatuanuku, the Buddhist view
of an essentially eternal universe, and, why not, the Intuit belief
about Sedna's cut fingers. After all, who said that the views of
mainstream science are necessarily true? There are alternative views
that deserve a fair exposition.
johac wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
---
Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching
By ROSE FRENCH, Associated Press WriterFri Aug 19, 4:01 PM ET
Echoing similar comments from President Bush, Senate Majority Leader
Bill Frist said "intelligent design" should be taught in public schools
alongside evolution.
Frist, R-Tenn., spoke to a Rotary Club meeting Friday and told reporters
afterward that students need to be exposed to different ideas, including
intelligent design.
"I think today a pluralistic society should have access to a broad range
of fact, of science, including faith," Frist said.
Frist, a doctor who graduated from Harvard Medical School, said exposing
children to both evolution and intelligent design "doesn't force any
particular theory on anyone. I think in a pluralistic society that is
the fairest way to go about education and training people for the
future."
The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to
have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have
had a hand in creation. Nearly all scientists dismiss it as a scientific
theory, and critics say it's nothing more than religion masquerading as
science.
Bush recently told a group of Texas reporters that intelligent design
and evolution should both be taught in schools "so people can understand
what the debate is about."
That comment sparked criticism from opponents, including Democratic
Party Chairman Howard Dean, who called Bush "anti-science."
Frist, who is considering a presidential campaign in 2008, recently
angered some conservatives by bucking Bush policy on embryonic stem cell
research, voicing his support for expanded research on the subject.
Frist said his decision to endorse stem cell research was "a matter of
science," but he said there was no conflict between his position on stem
cell research and his position on intelligent design.
"To me, I see no disconnect between that and stem cell research," Frist
said. "I base my beliefs on stem cell research both on science and my
faith."
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http://tinyurl.com/b8pq4
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Pastor Keczup" |
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20 Aug 2005 03:01:01 PM |
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Dianelos Georgoudis wrote:
I understand Frist's reasoning. I agree that students should have
access to a broad range of fact, of science and of faith. That's why I
think that astrology should be taught in depth - after all it is firmly
believed by a solid majority of the people. I suppose that Frist, being
a doctor, will recognize that students should also be taught faith
based ideas about medicine, including voodoo therapeutical methods, for
example. Many people believe that the Holocaust never took place;
therefore their opinion and arguments should also be expounded in
schools, so that people can understand what the debate is about. For
the same reason, I don't see why the arguments that underpin racism
should not be expounded in the classroom. These ideas shouldn't of
course be forced on anybody, but in our pluralistic society children
should be exposed to the widest possible range of beliefs, so that they
can make up their own mind about them.
Intelligent design based on the Book of Genesis should definitely be
taught, as well as many other beliefs, such as the Brahman creation in
Hinduism, the Gnostic view of an evil demiurge, the Maori belief about
the tight embrace between Ranginui and Papatuanuku, the Buddhist view
of an essentially eternal universe, and, why not, the Intuit belief
about Sedna's cut fingers. After all, who said that the views of
mainstream science are necessarily true? There are alternative views
that deserve a fair exposition.
You're being ironic, right?
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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20 Aug 2005 06:05:24 PM |
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"Pastor Keczup" <user13@heathens.org.uk> writes:
Dianelos Georgoudis wrote:
I understand Frist's reasoning. I agree that students should have
access to a broad range of fact, of science and of faith. That's why I
think that astrology should be taught in depth - after all it is firmly
believed by a solid majority of the people. I suppose that Frist, being
a doctor, will recognize that students should also be taught faith
based ideas about medicine, including voodoo therapeutical methods, for
example. Many people believe that the Holocaust never took place;
therefore their opinion and arguments should also be expounded in
schools, so that people can understand what the debate is about. For
the same reason, I don't see why the arguments that underpin racism
should not be expounded in the classroom. These ideas shouldn't of
course be forced on anybody, but in our pluralistic society children
should be exposed to the widest possible range of beliefs, so that they
can make up their own mind about them.
Intelligent design based on the Book of Genesis should definitely be
taught, as well as many other beliefs, such as the Brahman creation in
Hinduism, the Gnostic view of an evil demiurge, the Maori belief about
the tight embrace between Ranginui and Papatuanuku, the Buddhist view
of an essentially eternal universe, and, why not, the Intuit belief
about Sedna's cut fingers. After all, who said that the views of
mainstream science are necessarily true? There are alternative views
that deserve a fair exposition.
You're being ironic, right?
Do I detect sarcasm?
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "655321" |
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24 Aug 2005 02:14:01 AM |
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On 2005-08-20 16:05:24 -0700, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> said:
"Pastor Keczup" <user13@heathens.org.uk> writes:
Dianelos Georgoudis wrote:
I understand Frist's reasoning. I agree that students should have
access to a broad range of fact, of science and of faith. That's why I
think that astrology should be taught in depth - after all it is firmly
believed by a solid majority of the people. I suppose that Frist, being
a doctor, will recognize that students should also be taught faith
based ideas about medicine, including voodoo therapeutical methods, for
example. Many people believe that the Holocaust never took place;
therefore their opinion and arguments should also be expounded in
schools, so that people can understand what the debate is about. For
the same reason, I don't see why the arguments that underpin racism
should not be expounded in the classroom. These ideas shouldn't of
course be forced on anybody, but in our pluralistic society children
should be exposed to the widest possible range of beliefs, so that they
can make up their own mind about them.
Intelligent design based on the Book of Genesis should definitely be
taught, as well as many other beliefs, such as the Brahman creation in
Hinduism, the Gnostic view of an evil demiurge, the Maori belief about
the tight embrace between Ranginui and Papatuanuku, the Buddhist view
of an essentially eternal universe, and, why not, the Intuit belief
about Sedna's cut fingers. After all, who said that the views of
mainstream science are necessarily true? There are alternative views
that deserve a fair exposition.
You're being ironic, right?
Do I detect sarcasm?
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Hmmm.... I sense an insincere tone...
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --
"The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book,
and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
-- Assyrian Tablet, Ca. 2800 BC
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| User: "johac" |
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20 Aug 2005 11:44:26 PM |
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In article <1124556943.460722.79940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Dianelos Georgoudis" <dianelos@tecapro.com> wrote:
I understand Frist's reasoning. I agree that students should have
access to a broad range of fact, of science and of faith. That's why I
think that astrology should be taught in depth - after all it is firmly
believed by a solid majority of the people. I suppose that Frist, being
a doctor, will recognize that students should also be taught faith
based ideas about medicine, including voodoo therapeutical methods, for
example. Many people believe that the Holocaust never took place;
therefore their opinion and arguments should also be expounded in
schools, so that people can understand what the debate is about. For
the same reason, I don't see why the arguments that underpin racism
should not be expounded in the classroom. These ideas shouldn't of
course be forced on anybody, but in our pluralistic society children
should be exposed to the widest possible range of beliefs, so that they
can make up their own mind about them.
Intelligent design based on the Book of Genesis should definitely be
taught, as well as many other beliefs, such as the Brahman creation in
Hinduism, the Gnostic view of an evil demiurge, the Maori belief about
the tight embrace between Ranginui and Papatuanuku, the Buddhist view
of an essentially eternal universe, and, why not, the Intuit belief
about Sedna's cut fingers. After all, who said that the views of
mainstream science are necessarily true? There are alternative views
that deserve a fair exposition.
I'd include the Native American creation myths myself. They are more
interesting.
johac wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
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Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching
http://tinyurl.com/b8pq4
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Aug 2005 12:01:40 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:54:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
So much for Frist's intelligence.
Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching |
24 Aug 2005 01:21:02 AM |
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In article <shlmg1pq515vpv01mcj3c5a320t8k083sh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:54:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
So much for Frist's intelligence.
I guess that if he wants to run in '08, he'd better start kissing some
serious Religious Reich butt.
Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching
[]
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Aug 2005 09:10:46 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:21:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <shlmg1pq515vpv01mcj3c5a320t8k083sh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:54:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
So much for Frist's intelligence.
I guess that if he wants to run in '08, he'd better start kissing some
serious Religious Reich butt.
Kiss it, hell! He'd better give it some reicheous tongue!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching |
28 Aug 2005 02:01:55 AM |
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In article <0872h1p5j3j4bcpl7cdsi5hh1gjpoc7f7h@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:21:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <shlmg1pq515vpv01mcj3c5a320t8k083sh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:54:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
So much for Frist's intelligence.
I guess that if he wants to run in '08, he'd better start kissing some
serious Religious Reich butt.
Kiss it, hell! He'd better give it some reicheous tongue!
While praising Jeebus!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching |
28 Aug 2005 12:32:40 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:01:55 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <0872h1p5j3j4bcpl7cdsi5hh1gjpoc7f7h@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:21:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <shlmg1pq515vpv01mcj3c5a320t8k083sh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:54:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
So much for Frist's intelligence.
I guess that if he wants to run in '08, he'd better start kissing some
serious Religious Reich butt.
Kiss it, hell! He'd better give it some reicheous tongue!
While praising Jeebus!
The Religious Reich *is* the collective Jeebus.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching |
28 Aug 2005 06:04:21 PM |
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In article <u8t3h1p7bsfmv8bk4orojedsu1fhfdog1t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:01:55 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <0872h1p5j3j4bcpl7cdsi5hh1gjpoc7f7h@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:21:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <shlmg1pq515vpv01mcj3c5a320t8k083sh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:54:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
So much for Frist's intelligence.
I guess that if he wants to run in '08, he'd better start kissing some
serious Religious Reich butt.
Kiss it, hell! He'd better give it some reicheous tongue!
While praising Jeebus!
The Religious Reich *is* the collective Jeebus.
I always figured that the Religious Reich and the 'Borg' had something
in common.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Frist Backs 'Intelligent Design' Teaching |
31 Aug 2005 11:43:32 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:04:21 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <u8t3h1p7bsfmv8bk4orojedsu1fhfdog1t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:01:55 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <0872h1p5j3j4bcpl7cdsi5hh1gjpoc7f7h@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:21:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <shlmg1pq515vpv01mcj3c5a320t8k083sh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:54:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
I guess he upset poor widdle Dubya by backing stem cell research the
other week so now he has to make up. What a bunch!
So much for Frist's intelligence.
I guess that if he wants to run in '08, he'd better start kissing some
serious Religious Reich butt.
Kiss it, hell! He'd better give it some reicheous tongue!
While praising Jeebus!
The Religious Reich *is* the collective Jeebus.
I always figured that the Religious Reich and the 'Borg' had something
in common.
All sphincter.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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