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"Brian Westley" |
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03 Oct 2006 06:12:59 PM |
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Frist supports taliban, pisses off GOP troglodytes |
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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03 Oct 2006 06:17:24 PM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
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Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Les
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Remove Frontal Lobes to reply direct.
By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our
brains drop out. (Richard Dawkins)
http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/
http://www.richarddawkins.net/index.php
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03 Oct 2006 06:41:11 PM |
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In article <4ofnplFehb52U1@individual.net> "Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> writes:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
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Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Les
I believe he's referring to this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html
-- cary
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03 Oct 2006 08:18:28 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <4ofnplFehb52U1@individual.net> "Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> writes:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Les
I believe he's referring to this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html
In other words, give up, get out, and let the Taliban go back to
running things.
Two words: "Mission Accomplished"
-jc
-- cary
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03 Oct 2006 09:00:06 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:18:28 -0700, jcon wrote:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <4ofnplFehb52U1@individual.net> "Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> writes:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Les
I believe he's referring to this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html
In other words, give up, get out, and let the Taliban go back to
running things.
Two words: "Mission Accomplished"
I'd bet money the reich wing chatter box from Limbutt to Hannity is right
now explaining, "We have never been at war with the Taliban."
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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08 Oct 2006 03:51:17 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:00:06 GMT, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:18:28 -0700, jcon wrote:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <4ofnplFehb52U1@individual.net> "Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> writes:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Les
I believe he's referring to this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html
In other words, give up, get out, and let the Taliban go back to
running things.
Two words: "Mission Accomplished"
I'd bet money the reich wing chatter box from Limbutt to Hannity is right
now explaining, "We have never been at war with the Taliban."
Tally-who?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Les Hemmings" |
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03 Oct 2006 08:53:30 PM |
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jcon wrote:
In other words, give up, get out, and let the Taliban go back to
running things.
Two words: "Mission Accomplished"
-jc
The Russians tried with many thousands more troops, weaponry ect. With
much tougher rules of engagement and they failed.
It used to be called "The Great Game" in the 19th century as the big
colonial powers tried to bring Afghanistan under one government and impose
some sort of law. It failed then too.
It will fail again now because we don't have the moral / political stomach
to invest enough bodies, money and resources to it. When everyone sees this
they will then start the search for a saving face strategy to get the hell
out of there.
Les
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Remove Frontal Lobes to reply direct.
By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our
brains drop out. (Richard Dawkins)
http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/
http://www.richarddawkins.net/index.php
Les Hemmings a.a #2251 SA
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08 Oct 2006 03:47:59 PM |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:53:30 +0100, "Les Hemmings"
<les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> wrote in alt.atheism
jcon wrote:
In other words, give up, get out, and let the Taliban go back to
running things.
Two words: "Mission Accomplished"
-jc
The Russians tried with many thousands more troops, weaponry ect. With
much tougher rules of engagement and they failed.
Due in part to the US suppling weapons and training to Afghani forces.
It used to be called "The Great Game" in the 19th century as the big
colonial powers tried to bring Afghanistan under one government and impose
some sort of law. It failed then too.
Colonial powers kept winning the loser game.
It will fail again now because we don't have the moral / political stomach
to invest enough bodies, money and resources to it. When everyone sees this
they will then start the search for a saving face strategy to get the hell
out of there.
There is no 'face saving' strategy. The former US, again, got their
asses kicked.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Oct 2006 03:41:27 PM |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:41:11 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote in alt.atheism
In article <4ofnplFehb52U1@individual.net> "Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> writes:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
Frist and company are Taliban ***** buddies.
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Les
I believe he's referring to this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html
Frist: Taliban Should Be in Afghan Gov't
By JIM KRANE
The Associated Press
Monday, October 2, 2006; 7:56 PM
QALAT, Afghanistan -- U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Monday
that the Afghan war against Taliban guerrillas can never be won
militarily and urged support for efforts to bring "people who call
themselves Taliban" and their allies into the government.
The Tennessee Republican said he learned from briefings that Taliban
fighters were too numerous and had too much popular support to be
defeated on the battlefield.
"You need to bring them into a more transparent type of government,"
Frist said during a brief visit to a U.S. and Romanian military base in
the southern Taliban stronghold of Qalat. "And if that's accomplished,
we'll be successful."
Afghanistan is suffering its heaviest insurgent attacks since a U.S.-led
military force toppled the Taliban in late 2001 for harboring al-Qaida
leader Osama bin Laden.
According to an Associated Press count, based on reports from U.S., NATO
and Afghan officials, at least 2,800 people have been killed nationwide
so far this year. The count, which includes militants and civilians, is
about 1,300 more than the toll for all of 2005.
The top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, Lt. Gen. Karl
Eikenberry, told Pentagon reporters last month that while the Taliban
enemy in Afghanistan is not extremely strong, their numbers and
influence have grown in some southern sections of the country.
President Bush has been criticized for his handling of the war and is
trying to contain the damage ahead of midterm elections this fall. On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police to
fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual victory.
Frist said asking the Taliban to join the government was a decision to
be made by Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Karzai's spokesmen were not
immediately able to be reached for comment.
Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida accompanying Frist on his
trip, said negotiating with the Taliban was not "out of the question"
but that fighters who refused to join the political process would have
to be defeated.
"A political solution is how it's all going to be solved," he said.
Frist said he had hoped the U.S. would be able to withdraw its forces
from Afghanistan soon. But he said the 20,000 U.S. troops in the country
are still needed to support the NATO alliance, which will assume direct
control over most military operations here.
"We're going to need to stay here a long time," Frist said.
The senator said he was warned to expect attacks to increase. There
appears to be an "unlimited flow" of Afghans and foreigners "willing to
pick up arms and integrate themselves with the Taliban," he said.
He said the only way to win in places like the volatile southern part of
the country is to "assimilate people who call themselves Taliban into a
larger, more representative government."
"Approaching counterinsurgency by winning hearts and minds will
ultimately be the answer," Frist said. "Military versus insurgency
one-to-one doesn't sound like it can be won. It sounds to me ... that
the Taliban is everywhere."
Frist and Martinez flew to this dust-blown mountain city 220 miles south
of Kabul during a one-day stop in Afghanistan on a regional tour that
includes stops in Pakistan and Iraq.
The pair had intended to visit a new $6.5 million hospital built by the
United Arab Emirates, but a group of wounded Taliban fighters were
recuperating there, including a midlevel commander, and U.S. commander
Lt. Col. Kevin McGlaughlin canceled the visit because of security
concerns.
In violence Monday, a suicide bomber blew himself up next to a NATO
convoy in the capital Kabul, wounding three foreign soldiers and three
civilians, while a roadside bomb in the eastern Paktia province killed
three Afghan soldiers and wounded three others, officials said.
Maj. Luke Knittig, a military spokesman, said he could not disclose the
nationalities of the NATO soldiers who were wounded. The attack came two
days after another suicide bomber killed 12 people and wounded more than
40 outside Afghanistan's Interior Ministry.
In the southern province of Helmand, five civilians were killed when
their vehicle hit a mine on a road usually used by NATO and Afghan
forces, said Ghulam Muhiddin, the governor's spokesman.
Suspected Taliban on a motorbike, meanwhile, killed two policemen and
wounded two others in Gereshk district, he said. NATO-led troops killed
three militants in Nawzad district.
/end
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shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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08 Oct 2006 06:43:19 PM |
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In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police to
fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
This is already an interesting election season.
--
655321
"Heed the message served with every Republican banquet speech -- that the
private interest precedes the public interest, that money is good for rich
people, bad for poor people -- and who can say that the war in Iraq has proven
to be anything other than the transformation of a godforsaken desert into a
defense contractor's Garden of Eden?" -- Lewis Lapham
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09 Oct 2006 06:52:46 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police to
fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
This is already an interesting election season.
Where the voters always lose.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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09 Oct 2006 10:32:28 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:cj6li21a6fsrlp9an8ririd90umf9fb1m0@
4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police
to
fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
This is already an interesting election season.
Where the voters always lose.
I came up with a new mascot for the Democrats this season; it's a
jellyfish.
The chant:
We're HERE!
We're SPINLESS!!
....please don't hurt us!
Pretty bad when a registered Dem feels that way, innit?
--
Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the
people who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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10 Oct 2006 02:32:05 PM |
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Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9857B26AC65E2askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:cj6li21a6fsrlp9an8ririd90umf9fb1m0@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police
to fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual
victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
Better than the Democrats' "We're going to lose, so let's do it right
now."
This is already an interesting election season.
Where the voters always lose.
I came up with a new mascot for the Democrats this season; it's a
jellyfish.
The chant:
We're HERE!
We're SPINLESS!!
If only they were *spin*less as well as *spine*less.
...please don't hurt us!
Pretty bad when a registered Dem feels that way, innit?
By golly, I believe he's beginning to see the light!
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Some days the impatience with Iraq just seems artificial — as though
the real argument is about something else entirely." - Dinocrat
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On 10 Oct 2006 14:32:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns985874BA21107fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9857B26AC65E2askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:cj6li21a6fsrlp9an8ririd90umf9fb1m0@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police
to fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual
victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
Better than the Democrats' "We're going to lose, so let's do it right
now."
How about: we are losing and are going to lose worse if we don't
change things. So lets cut our loses and try to focus on what matters?
Or we can play the Republican game: sell the populace on "stay the
course" and then change things right after the election. That is
pretty much the story Baker it telling.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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11 Oct 2006 07:02:05 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ll1qi2hckr4dkuj2rq1323coh26qi7cu4e@4ax.com:
On 10 Oct 2006 14:32:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns985874BA21107fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9857B26AC65E2askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:cj6li21a6fsrlp9an8ririd90umf9fb1m0@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan
police to fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted
eventual victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
Better than the Democrats' "We're going to lose, so let's do it right
now."
How about: we are losing and are going to lose worse if we don't
change things. So lets cut our loses and try to focus on what matters?
That's the position of a loser.
Or we can play the Republican game: sell the populace on "stay the
course" and then change things right after the election. That is
pretty much the story Baker it telling.
And that's the position of a Democrat who wants to convince the public
that being a loser is better than being a winner.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Some days the impatience with Iraq just seems artificial — as though
the real argument is about something else entirely." - Dinocrat
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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11 Oct 2006 08:38:41 PM |
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On 11 Oct 2006 19:02:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9859A282B8CBBfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ll1qi2hckr4dkuj2rq1323coh26qi7cu4e@4ax.com:
On 10 Oct 2006 14:32:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns985874BA21107fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9857B26AC65E2askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:cj6li21a6fsrlp9an8ririd90umf9fb1m0@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan
police to fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted
eventual victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
Better than the Democrats' "We're going to lose, so let's do it right
now."
How about: we are losing and are going to lose worse if we don't
change things. So lets cut our loses and try to focus on what matters?
That's the position of a loser.
Or we can play the Republican game: sell the populace on "stay the
course" and then change things right after the election. That is
pretty much the story Baker it telling.
And that's the position of a Democrat who wants to convince the public
that being a loser is better than being a winner.
When you have an argument let us know.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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12 Oct 2006 01:53:00 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:rhlqi2d7t44jo57rd2hjd22i9dg9785nsk@4ax.com:
On 11 Oct 2006 19:02:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9859A282B8CBBfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ll1qi2hckr4dkuj2rq1323coh26qi7cu4e@4ax.com:
On 10 Oct 2006 14:32:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns985874BA21107fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9857B26AC65E2askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:cj6li21a6fsrlp9an8ririd90umf9fb1m0@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan
police to fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted
eventual victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
Better than the Democrats' "We're going to lose, so let's do it
right now."
How about: we are losing and are going to lose worse if we don't
change things. So lets cut our loses and try to focus on what
matters?
That's the position of a loser.
Or we can play the Republican game: sell the populace on "stay the
course" and then change things right after the election. That is
pretty much the story Baker it telling.
And that's the position of a Democrat who wants to convince the public
that being a loser is better than being a winner.
When you have an argument let us know.
When *you* have something besides strawmen, let *me* know.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Some days the impatience with Iraq just seems artificial — as though
the real argument is about something else entirely." - Dinocrat
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:32:28 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:cj6li21a6fsrlp9an8ririd90umf9fb1m0@
4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police
to
fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
This is already an interesting election season.
Where the voters always lose.
I came up with a new mascot for the Democrats this season; it's a
jellyfish.
The chant:
We're HERE!
We're SPIN{E}LESS!!
...please don't hurt us!
Fixed it above.
Pretty bad when a registered Dem feels that way, innit?
Don't know. When I voted it wasn't for a party.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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11 Oct 2006 03:12:13 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:sg9oi2dqtopjki77h69t00gha5hpc2eoa8@
4ax.com:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:32:28 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:cj6li21a6fsrlp9an8ririd90umf9fb1m0@
4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sp6ii2tq8j2o7pptek5djvika8vdktupud@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On
Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police
to
fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual
victory.
Now that's a clarion call to bring to the campaigns:
What will we do? "Win!"
When? "Eventually!"
This is already an interesting election season.
Where the voters always lose.
I came up with a new mascot for the Democrats this season; it's a
jellyfish.
The chant:
We're HERE!
We're SPIN{E}LESS!!
...please don't hurt us!
Fixed it above.
Thanks.
Pretty bad when a registered Dem feels that way, innit?
Don't know. When I voted it wasn't for a party.
*nod*
--
Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the
people who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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03 Oct 2006 09:08:22 PM |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:41:11 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism ,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) in
<efuas7$6k6$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote:
In article <4ofnplFehb52U1@individual.net> "Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> writes:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Les
I believe he's referring to this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html
Has Frist finally given up his run for the presidency? I don't
necessarily agree with Frist, but I do welcome someone trying a new
idea. Not that it will get him any votes from anyone. Of course
Frist's campaign was dead in the water anyway.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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03 Oct 2006 07:17:44 PM |
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Les Hemmings wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
He said that the solution to the Afghanistan problem was to allow the
Taliban back into government.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6121199,00.html
Good job they haven't executed Saddam yet. They'll need him for Iraq!
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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08 Oct 2006 03:54:06 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:17:44 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Les Hemmings wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
He said that the solution to the Afghanistan problem was to allow the
Taliban back into government.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6121199,00.html
Good job they haven't executed Saddam yet. They'll need him for Iraq!
Iraq's too far gone for Saddam to fix.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Oct 2006 08:55:04 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:17:24 +0100, Les Hemmings wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Looks like the Republicans are floating the idea of giving Afghanistan
back to the Taliban and declaring victory...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Oct 2006 03:55:08 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:55:04 GMT, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:17:24 +0100, Les Hemmings wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Nothing this side of the pond... what happened?
Looks like the Republicans are floating the idea of giving Afghanistan
back to the Taliban and declaring victory...
That will really win the 'hearts and minds' of their superstitious
supporters...... [do i really need a sarcasm tag?]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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03 Oct 2006 08:48:00 PM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
From
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html
The Tennessee Republican said he learned from briefings that Taliban
fighters were too numerous and had too much popular support to be
defeated on the battlefield.
Since when does asking only devout Moslem men what they think
constitute "popular support"? No woman in her right mind supports the
return of these hateful, misogynistic scum bags, and I don't think any
rational man would, either.
--
L. Raymond
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08 Oct 2006 03:56:00 PM |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:48:00 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and
rightwing blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he
said. Looks like many of the GOP's far right wing block
will not bother to vote, out of disgust of Frist, Foley,
and other F*ckups.
From
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html
The Tennessee Republican said he learned from briefings that Taliban
fighters were too numerous and had too much popular support to be
defeated on the battlefield.
Since when does asking only devout Moslem men what they think
constitute "popular support"? No woman in her right mind supports the
return of these hateful, misogynistic scum bags, and I don't think any
rational man would, either.
Since when are christian fundies, like Frist and Co., rational?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Oct 2006 08:54:28 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:12:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and rightwing
blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he said. Looks like many
of the GOP's far right wing block will not bother to vote, out of
disgust of Frist, Foley, and other F*ckups.
I love this:
"Frist said he learned from military briefings that Taliban fighters were
too numerous and had too much popular support to be defeated on the
battlefield.
"'You need to bring them into a more transparent type of government,' he
said during a visit to a military base in the Taliban stronghold of Qalat.
'And if that's accomplished, we'll be successful.'"
Withdrawal is success! Capitulation is victory! We were never at war with
the Taliban!
Big Frat Brother is doubleplusgood!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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04 Oct 2006 12:10:21 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:54:28 GMT, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
in news message <86AUg.1379$NE6.57@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:12:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and rightwing
blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he said. Looks like many
of the GOP's far right wing block will not bother to vote, out of
disgust of Frist, Foley, and other F*ckups.
I love this:
"Frist said he learned from military briefings that Taliban fighters were
too numerous and had too much popular support to be defeated on the
battlefield.
"'You need to bring them into a more transparent type of government,' he
said during a visit to a military base in the Taliban stronghold of Qalat.
'And if that's accomplished, we'll be successful.'"
Withdrawal is success! Capitulation is victory! We were never at war with
the Taliban!
Big Frat Brother is doubleplusgood!
Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present
controls the past.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them
as much as you please. -- Mark Twain
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04 Oct 2006 01:12:44 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:10:21 -0400, Liz wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:54:28 GMT, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
in news message <86AUg.1379$NE6.57@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:12:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
I won't even bother with URLs, it's all over the news and rightwing
blogs, and Frist is already "clarifying" what he said. Looks like many
of the GOP's far right wing block will not bother to vote, out of
disgust of Frist, Foley, and other F*ckups.
I love this:
"Frist said he learned from military briefings that Taliban fighters were
too numerous and had too much popular support to be defeated on the
battlefield.
"'You need to bring them into a more transparent type of government,' he
said during a visit to a military base in the Taliban stronghold of Qalat.
'And if that's accomplished, we'll be successful.'"
Withdrawal is success! Capitulation is victory! We were never at war with
the Taliban!
Big Frat Brother is doubleplusgood!
Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present
controls the past.
Goldstein? Is that you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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