Religions > Atheism > From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland
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From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
Posted: February 21, 2006
11:44 a.m. Eastern
A health official in the Netherlands has called for a debate on the
idea of forced abortion and contraception to deal with what she sees as
a crisis of unwanted children.
Alderman Marianne van den Anker of the Leefbaar Rotterdam Party wants
specifically to target communities of Antilleans and Arubans where she
sees the biggest problems of unwanted children
Her comments have stirred protest by a health foundation working with
those communities in Rotterdam. The group, which called the comments
degrading, is asking Mayor Ivo Opstelten and other politicians to
distance themselves from Van den Anker's views.
Van den Anker is a mother of two children and the official in charge of
Rotterdam's health and security portfolios.
In an interview in a newspaper Saturday, she said she had tried
everything to prevent child abuse.
"I fail, I fail," she told the interviewer as she outlined her
controversial idea for a debate on compulsory abortion and
contraception.
The target groups for her program are Antillean teenage mothers; drug
addicts and people with mental handicaps, she said, according to a
report in Expatica.
According to the report, Van den Anker said children from these groups
run an "unacceptable risk" of growing up without love and with
"violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse."
"The exceptions," she said, "and there are some, can be counted on a
pair of hands."
Van den Anker pointed to the growing number of Antillean youth gangs in
Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes.
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05 Mar 2006 06:10:06 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
You'd have to be a dumbshit moron or a shameless liar to write
something as patently absurd as that. 99% of what pro-liars do
is all about FORCING women to obey and give birth.
You're demented
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
05 Mar 2006 12:13:15 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
You'd have to be a dumbshit moron or a shameless liar to write
something as patently absurd as that. 99% of what pro-liars do
is all about FORCING women to obey and give birth.
You're demented
You're a coward running away from the truth.
Giving birth costs a woman roughly $5,000 to $40,000. Can you cote
any "pro-life" organization that pays her expenses? Raising the child
costs another quarter million. How many "pro-life" organizations
offer to pay those expenses?
Where are these organizations that persuade women to want to give
birth to a child?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
04 Mar 2006 08:45:23 PM |
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On 05 Mar 2006 02:37:56 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
I have yet to see ANYONE on the pro-life say that women should "obey".
Mostly because there are none who are pro-life. You're actually all
anti-choice control freaks who don't give a ***** about people's lives.
Ever notice how these anti-choice fascists are almost always from the
christ-stain-insanity death cult that worships the dead savior on a
stick?
And that they're invariably almost always pro-death-penalty?
It's not a coincidence.
If they are in favor of a law that forbids a woman to have an abortion
she wants to have, is that not telling her what to do?
Most pro-life advocates address women to persuade them to not *want* to have
an abortion, not to make them obey.
*****.
You'd have to be a dumbshit moron or a shameless liar to write
something as patently absurd as that. 99% of what pro-liars do
is all about FORCING women to obey and give birth.
<insert Orwellian parody of "slavery = freedom" here>
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| User: "Dutch" |
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05 Mar 2006 06:13:48 AM |
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"Bonnie *****" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote
Ever notice how these anti-choice fascists are almost always from the
christ-stain-insanity death cult that worships the dead savior on a
stick?
And that they're invariably almost always pro-death-penalty?
I suppose you're pro-snuffing innocent unborns and anti-snuffing serial
killers?
<insert Orwellian parody of "slavery = freedom" here>
There's irony in the air all right...
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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05 Mar 2006 09:50:44 AM |
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In article <120llfsr2r7hc7c@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"Bonnie *****" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote
I suppose you're pro-snuffing innocent unborns and anti-snuffing serial
killers?
whereas you're just a killer...
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" Lots of things we don't do would benefit society, like executing
all criminals."
--"Dutch" <no@email.com> <1205ohpf9fugmc2@news.supernews.com>
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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05 Mar 2006 09:49:25 AM |
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In article <120k36omeje1f7a@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
Most pro-life advocates address women to persuade them to not *want* to have
an abortion, not to make them obey.
just out of curiousity, what percentage of readers do you think
believe that lie: 2?, 3?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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04 Mar 2006 07:03:17 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:55:37 -0800, "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On 4 Mar 2006 02:38:13 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
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I have yet to see ANYONE on the pro-life say that women should "obey".
Of course you have the opportunity to support your assertion.
If they are in favor of a law that forbids a woman to have an abortion
she wants to have, is that not telling her what to do?
Most pro-life advocates address women to persuade them to not *want* to have
an abortion, not to make them obey.
Most are not in favor of a law forbidding abortion?
Furthermore
how does preventing an abortion save the life of a woman?
By preventing the unwanted pregnancy in the first place by means of
responsible, adult sexual practices.
I am sorry, but I do not understand that response. My question
obviously assumes the existence of an unwanted pregnancy. How does
preventing an abortion in that case save the life of a woman? Surely
you do not think that forbidding abortion will eliminate unwanted
pregnancies?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Dutch" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
05 Mar 2006 06:07:57 AM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:55:37 -0800, "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On 4 Mar 2006 02:38:13 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
[..]
I have yet to see ANYONE on the pro-life say that women should "obey".
Of course you have the opportunity to support your assertion.
If they are in favor of a law that forbids a woman to have an abortion
she wants to have, is that not telling her what to do?
Most pro-life advocates address women to persuade them to not *want* to
have
an abortion, not to make them obey.
Most are not in favor of a law forbidding abortion?
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right. But
they are not "telling a woman to obey", even the radical ones attempt to
*persuade* women to make different choices, which is also their right.
Furthermore
how does preventing an abortion save the life of a woman?
By preventing the unwanted pregnancy in the first place by means of
responsible, adult sexual practices.
I am sorry, but I do not understand that response. My question
obviously assumes the existence of an unwanted pregnancy.
Preventing abortion includes preventing pregancy, I think that's a very
important point. However I realize that it is not plausible after the horse
has left the barn..
How does
preventing an abortion in that case save the life of a woman?
I don't know, I missed that part of the discussion, unless they were
referring to the fetus, a *potential* woman.
Surely
you do not think that forbidding abortion will eliminate unwanted
pregnancies?
Now that you mention it, when abortion was illegal I think there were many
fewer abortions, even though birth control was not nearly as available or
effective. I'll bet that could be verified. It also seems that people tended
to be more cautious about sexual intercourse. It seems very lackadaisical
these days, I mean everyone's on the prowl almost expecting to find a new
sexual partner every night. It never used to be like that when pregnancy was
*final*. I'm not suggesting we turn back the clock altogether, but we could
learn something from those days.
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| User: "" |
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05 Mar 2006 08:02:45 AM |
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"Now that you mention it, when abortion was illegal I think there were
many
fewer abortions, even though birth control was not nearly as available
or
effective."
Accurate statistics about illegal activities are always problematic.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Mar 2006 12:11:23 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:55:37 -0800, "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On 4 Mar 2006 02:38:13 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
[..]
I have yet to see ANYONE on the pro-life say that women should "obey".
Of course you have the opportunity to support your assertion.
If they are in favor of a law that forbids a woman to have an abortion
she wants to have, is that not telling her what to do?
Most pro-life advocates address women to persuade them to not *want* to
have
an abortion, not to make them obey.
Most are not in favor of a law forbidding abortion?
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right. But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Are the pro-liars forcing women to obey?
Yes.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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06 Mar 2006 05:23:12 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:55:37 -0800, "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On 4 Mar 2006 02:38:13 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
[..]
I have yet to see ANYONE on the pro-life say that women should "obey".
Of course you have the opportunity to support your assertion.
If they are in favor of a law that forbids a woman to have an abortion
she wants to have, is that not telling her what to do?
Most pro-life advocates address women to persuade them to not *want* to
have
an abortion, not to make them obey.
Most are not in favor of a law forbidding abortion?
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right. But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives. You are skirting around the issue.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Mar 2006 10:56:32 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right. But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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08 Mar 2006 03:58:36 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:440c69c0$0$58084$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Mar 2006 10:59:26 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
How stupid are you?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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10 Mar 2006 12:59:00 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
How stupid are you?
How does you contradicting yourself make ME stupid?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Mar 2006 01:10:16 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
How stupid are you?
How does you contradicting yourself make ME stupid?
So now you're lying about what I write in order to cover up your
own lack of reading comprehension.
What a surprise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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10 Mar 2006 04:47:57 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:44112658$0$58089$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is
right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
How stupid are you?
How does you contradicting yourself make ME stupid?
So now you're
Returning the topic to subject at hand, the wanton destruction of human
lives.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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11 Mar 2006 02:09:51 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is
right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
How stupid are you?
How does you contradicting yourself make ME stupid?
So now you're
Returning the topic to subject at hand,
You're a liar and an *****, Crutch.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
13 Mar 2006 04:44:57 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:44132e8f$0$58095$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is
right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
How stupid are you?
How does you contradicting yourself make ME stupid?
So now you're
Returning the topic to subject at hand,
You're a liar and an *****, Crutch.
On which planet in which universe is that good enough?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Mar 2006 10:39:10 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:44132e8f$0$58095$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is
right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
How stupid are you?
How does you contradicting yourself make ME stupid?
So now you're
Returning the topic to subject at hand,
You're a liar and an *****, Crutch.
On which planet in which universe is that good enough?
Your planet, your universe.
Again and again we see you offer nothing but edicts. You don't even
try to defend your lies any more. You just repeat them again and
again and get offended when people don't mindlessly accept your every
proclamation.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:00:21 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:58:36 -0800, Dutch wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:440c69c0$0$58084$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right.
But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives.
Nobody asks for any, pro-liar.
Now fetuses are not even *alive*???
Z/e/f's are alive and human, as are sperm and eggs and blood cells, except
that sperm and eggs are haploid. But that skin flake could be a dead
human.
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#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
06 Mar 2006 08:08:45 AM |
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Dutch wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:55:37 -0800, "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On 4 Mar 2006 02:38:13 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
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I have yet to see ANYONE on the pro-life say that women should "obey".
Of course you have the opportunity to support your assertion.
If they are in favor of a law that forbids a woman to have an abortion
she wants to have, is that not telling her what to do?
Most pro-life advocates address women to persuade them to not *want* to
have
an abortion, not to make them obey.
Most are not in favor of a law forbidding abortion?
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right. But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Nobody has the freedom to take lives. You are skirting around the issue.
Well, darn. I'm guilty of murder of countless human lives. I slough
off so many skin cells (which are "human life") in a single day, it's
not funny.
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| User: "Dutch" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
07 Mar 2006 05:48:30 AM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote
Dutch wrote:
Nobody has the freedom to take lives. You are skirting around the issue.
Well, darn. I'm guilty of murder of countless human lives. I slough off
so many skin cells (which are "human life") in a single day, it's not
funny.
"human cells" are not "human lives". A human life means a whole organism, an
animal, with a heart and a brain and nervous system, etc.. Cells are not the
issue. Aren't you the one who complains about arguing semantics?
It's amazing how frequently people who complain about particular weak forms
of argument are the very ones using them.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
08 Mar 2006 01:12:53 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote
Dutch wrote:
Nobody has the freedom to take lives. You are skirting around the issue.
Well, darn. I'm guilty of murder of countless human lives. I slough off
so many skin cells (which are "human life") in a single day, it's not
funny.
"human cells" are not "human lives". A human life means a whole organism, an
animal, with a heart and a brain and nervous system, etc..
Which excludes fetuses and embryos.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
09 Mar 2006 07:20:58 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote
Dutch wrote:
Nobody has the freedom to take lives. You are skirting around the
issue.
Well, darn. I'm guilty of murder of countless human lives. I slough
off
so many skin cells (which are "human life") in a single day, it's not
funny.
"human cells" are not "human lives". A human life means a whole organism,
an
animal, with a heart and a brain and nervous system, etc..
Which excludes fetuses and embryos.
No it doesn't.
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| User: "JC" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
09 Mar 2006 11:01:41 PM |
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Dutch wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:440e83f5$0$58062$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote
Dutch wrote:
Nobody has the freedom to take lives. You are skirting around the
issue.
Well, darn. I'm guilty of murder of countless human lives. I slough
off
so many skin cells (which are "human life") in a single day, it's not
funny.
"human cells" are not "human lives". A human life means a whole organism,
an
animal, with a heart and a brain and nervous system, etc..
Which excludes fetuses and embryos.
No it doesn't.
You need to read up on biology then. The neural system, heart and
circulatory system do not begin to develop until the 3-4 week of pregnancy.
So by your standard, it isn't a *human* until that time.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
10 Mar 2006 03:56:11 PM |
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In article <1211l3pa7v6oua3@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:440e83f5$0$58062$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote
Dutch wrote:
Nobody has the freedom to take lives. You are skirting around the
issue.
Well, darn. I'm guilty of murder of countless human lives. I slough
off
so many skin cells (which are "human life") in a single day, it's not
funny.
"human cells" are not "human lives". A human life means a whole organism,
an
animal, with a heart and a brain and nervous system, etc..
Which excludes fetuses and embryos.
No it doesn't.
yes it is. your illiteracy is no excuse for your blatant
misstatements.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
05 Mar 2006 12:14:12 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:55:37 -0800, "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
On 4 Mar 2006 02:38:13 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
[..]
I have yet to see ANYONE on the pro-life say that women should "obey".
Of course you have the opportunity to support your assertion.
If they are in favor of a law that forbids a woman to have an abortion
she wants to have, is that not telling her what to do?
Most pro-life advocates address women to persuade them to not *want* to
have
an abortion, not to make them obey.
Most are not in favor of a law forbidding abortion?
Yes, and it is their right to vote for any law they believe is right. But
they are not "telling a woman to obey",
Is freedom denied?
Yes.
Who is actually free to do what they want?
Are the pro-liars forcing women to obey?
Yes.
Obey what?
Come on you got to be able to support at least one thing you say.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
05 Mar 2006 02:06:12 PM |
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In article <1141582452.335760.114150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Come on you got to be able to support at least one thing you say.
can you show readers *one* example of *you* supporting one thing you
posted which you were called on to support?
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
05 Mar 2006 03:44:42 PM |
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osprey LIED:
Obey
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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