Religions > Atheism > From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland
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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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25 Feb 2006 09:10:53 PM |
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From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
Posted: February 21, 2006
11:44 a.m. Eastern
A health official in the Netherlands has called for a debate on the
idea of forced abortion and contraception to deal with what she sees as
a crisis of unwanted children.
Alderman Marianne van den Anker of the Leefbaar Rotterdam Party wants
specifically to target communities of Antilleans and Arubans where she
sees the biggest problems of unwanted children
Her comments have stirred protest by a health foundation working with
those communities in Rotterdam. The group, which called the comments
degrading, is asking Mayor Ivo Opstelten and other politicians to
distance themselves from Van den Anker's views.
Van den Anker is a mother of two children and the official in charge of
Rotterdam's health and security portfolios.
In an interview in a newspaper Saturday, she said she had tried
everything to prevent child abuse.
"I fail, I fail," she told the interviewer as she outlined her
controversial idea for a debate on compulsory abortion and
contraception.
The target groups for her program are Antillean teenage mothers; drug
addicts and people with mental handicaps, she said, according to a
report in Expatica.
According to the report, Van den Anker said children from these groups
run an "unacceptable risk" of growing up without love and with
"violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse."
"The exceptions," she said, "and there are some, can be counted on a
pair of hands."
Van den Anker pointed to the growing number of Antillean youth gangs in
Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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26 Feb 2006 12:21:27 PM |
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On 25 Feb 2006 19:10:53 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote:
<sigh> *Another* WingNutDaily "pseudostory", Raytard? Christ, you're
pathetic.
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| User: "Kate " |
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26 Feb 2006 10:34:01 AM |
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On 25 Feb 2006 19:10:53 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
World nut daily - tops in made up news releases.
Amazingly enough, World Nut Daily is the ooooooonly news vendor that
saw fit to post this lie.
Maybe you should call them and cuss them out for getting you all riled
up again, for nothing.
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| User: "" |
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26 Feb 2006 11:30:27 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On 25 Feb 2006 19:10:53 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
World nut daily - tops in made up news releases.
Amazingly enough, World Nut Daily is the ooooooonly news vendor that
saw fit to post this lie.
Maybe you should call them and cuss them out for getting you all riled
up again, for nothing.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=27785&name=Abort+'unloved'+Antilleans%2C+says+Rotterdam+politician
AMSTERDAM - Alderman Marianne van den Anker for the Leefbaar
Rotterdam (LR) party has called for a debate in Rotterdam on
compulsory abortion and contraception for mothers she believes are
responsible for raising unloved babies that fall victim to child abuse.
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0306/0306dutchsolution.htm
The latest forward thinking proposal coming out of Holland is mandatory
abortion of unwanted children. (Of course, if you have to force the
woman to abort a child, one is inclined to question who it is that
doesn't want it.) The woman who is proposing this "debate" is Marianne
van den Anker, who is the official in charge of Rotterdam's health and
security portfolios. The communities she wishes to target are
Antilleans and Arubans, She is specifically looking to target teenaged
mothers, drug addicts and the mentally handicapped, and has a litany of
"compassionate" reasons for her proposal, complete with a worst case
scenario (in typical liberal fashion) with which to define the entire
debate in order to defend what many of us regard as the reprehensible
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000006/000603.htm
Key political figures in Holland are in agreement that tough measures
are urgently needed to tackle child abuse and 'street terror' but Ms
van den Anker's Draconian proposals have met with opposition from
within her own right-wing Leefbaar party.
Her colleague Mr Geluk blasted her comments as "absurd and idiotic".
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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26 Feb 2006 05:14:48 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On 25 Feb 2006 19:10:53 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
World nut daily - tops in made up news releases.
Amazingly enough, World Nut Daily is the ooooooonly news vendor that
saw fit to post this lie.
Really? Check this out:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Alderman+Marianne+van+den+Anker+of+the+Leefbaar+Rotterdam+Party+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Maybe you should call them and cuss them out for getting you all riled
up again, for nothing.
Maybe you should Google before you open you big fat mouth. World Net
Daily doesn't make stuff up. Okay, maybe they post questionable stuff
about earthquakes and hurricanes being the wrath of God and crap like
that... and have editorials from Falwell and Robertson and Lindsey....
uh... well, they cater to their target audience, you know?
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| User: "" |
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26 Feb 2006 11:06:31 PM |
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Hugh Betcha wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 25 Feb 2006 19:10:53 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
World nut daily - tops in made up news releases.
Amazingly enough, World Nut Daily is the ooooooonly news vendor that
saw fit to post this lie.
Really? Check this out:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Alderman+Marianne+van+den+Anker+of+the+Leefbaar+Rotterdam+Party+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Maybe you should call them and cuss them out for getting you all riled
up again, for nothing.
Maybe you should Google before you open you big fat mouth. World Net
Daily doesn't make stuff up. Okay, maybe they post questionable stuff
about earthquakes and hurricanes being the wrath of God and crap like
that... and have editorials from Falwell and Robertson and Lindsey....
uh... well, they cater to their target audience, you know?
It was also in the Canberra Times, Daily Telegraph (Aust.)
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| User: "Kate " |
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27 Feb 2006 12:57:02 AM |
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On 26 Feb 2006 15:14:48 -0800, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 25 Feb 2006 19:10:53 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
World nut daily - tops in made up news releases.
Amazingly enough, World Nut Daily is the ooooooonly news vendor that
saw fit to post this lie.
Really? Check this out:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Alderman+Marianne+van+den+Anker+of+the+Leefbaar+Rotterdam+Party+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Maybe you should call them and cuss them out for getting you all riled
up again, for nothing.
Maybe you should Google before you open you big fat mouth. World Net
Daily doesn't make stuff up. Okay, maybe they post questionable stuff
about earthquakes and hurricanes being the wrath of God and crap like
that... and have editorials from Falwell and Robertson and Lindsey....
uh... well, they cater to their target audience, you know?
My, you are naive, aren't you?
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| User: "nightwind" |
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25 Feb 2006 09:22:02 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
Posted: February 21, 2006
11:44 a.m. Eastern
A health official in the Netherlands has called for a debate on the
idea of forced abortion and contraception to deal with what she sees as
a crisis of unwanted children.
Alderman Marianne van den Anker of the Leefbaar Rotterdam Party wants
specifically to target communities of Antilleans and Arubans where she
sees the biggest problems of unwanted children
Her comments have stirred protest by a health foundation working with
those communities in Rotterdam. The group, which called the comments
degrading, is asking Mayor Ivo Opstelten and other politicians to
distance themselves from Van den Anker's views.
Van den Anker is a mother of two children and the official in charge of
Rotterdam's health and security portfolios.
In an interview in a newspaper Saturday, she said she had tried
everything to prevent child abuse.
"I fail, I fail," she told the interviewer as she outlined her
controversial idea for a debate on compulsory abortion and
contraception.
The target groups for her program are Antillean teenage mothers; drug
addicts and people with mental handicaps, she said, according to a
report in Expatica.
According to the report, Van den Anker said children from these groups
run an "unacceptable risk" of growing up without love and with
"violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse."
"The exceptions," she said, "and there are some, can be counted on a
pair of hands."
Van den Anker pointed to the growing number of Antillean youth gangs in
Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes.
Next they will be wanting to off you for your political views.....too
extreme!
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| User: "Lost Planet Airman" |
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26 Feb 2006 09:32:53 PM |
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nightwind wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
Posted: February 21, 2006
11:44 a.m. Eastern
A health official in the Netherlands has called for a debate on the
idea of forced abortion and contraception to deal with what she sees as
a crisis of unwanted children.
Alderman Marianne van den Anker of the Leefbaar Rotterdam Party wants
specifically to target communities of Antilleans and Arubans where she
sees the biggest problems of unwanted children
Her comments have stirred protest by a health foundation working with
those communities in Rotterdam. The group, which called the comments
degrading, is asking Mayor Ivo Opstelten and other politicians to
distance themselves from Van den Anker's views.
Van den Anker is a mother of two children and the official in charge of
Rotterdam's health and security portfolios.
In an interview in a newspaper Saturday, she said she had tried
everything to prevent child abuse.
"I fail, I fail," she told the interviewer as she outlined her
controversial idea for a debate on compulsory abortion and
contraception.
The target groups for her program are Antillean teenage mothers; drug
addicts and people with mental handicaps, she said, according to a
report in Expatica.
According to the report, Van den Anker said children from these groups
run an "unacceptable risk" of growing up without love and with
"violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse."
"The exceptions," she said, "and there are some, can be counted on a
pair of hands."
Van den Anker pointed to the growing number of Antillean youth gangs in
Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes.
Next they will be wanting to off you for your political views.....too
extreme!
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These guys need to realize that religious or not, killing off potential
children is only going to accelerate the "death of the west"
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"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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27 Feb 2006 02:04:32 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:32:53 -0600, Lost Planet Airman wrote:
nightwind wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
Posted: February 21, 2006
11:44 a.m. Eastern
A health official in the Netherlands has called for a debate on the
idea of forced abortion and contraception to deal with what she sees as
a crisis of unwanted children.
Alderman Marianne van den Anker of the Leefbaar Rotterdam Party wants
specifically to target communities of Antilleans and Arubans where she
sees the biggest problems of unwanted children
Her comments have stirred protest by a health foundation working with
those communities in Rotterdam. The group, which called the comments
degrading, is asking Mayor Ivo Opstelten and other politicians to
distance themselves from Van den Anker's views.
Van den Anker is a mother of two children and the official in charge of
Rotterdam's health and security portfolios.
In an interview in a newspaper Saturday, she said she had tried
everything to prevent child abuse.
"I fail, I fail," she told the interviewer as she outlined her
controversial idea for a debate on compulsory abortion and
contraception.
The target groups for her program are Antillean teenage mothers; drug
addicts and people with mental handicaps, she said, according to a
report in Expatica.
According to the report, Van den Anker said children from these groups
run an "unacceptable risk" of growing up without love and with
"violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse."
"The exceptions," she said, "and there are some, can be counted on a
pair of hands."
Van den Anker pointed to the growing number of Antillean youth gangs in
Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes.
Next they will be wanting to off you for your political views.....too
extreme!
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These guys need to realize that religious or not, killing off potential
children is only going to accelerate the "death of the west"
Hardly. Yesterday the earth's infestation by humanity topped
6,500,000,000. There are entirely too many bipeds on this rock, people
cannot continue breeding like rodentia without negatively impacting both
the environment and life of existing beings.
-- Regards, Curly
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26 Feb 2006 04:05:12 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
Posted: February 21, 2006
11:44 a.m. Eastern
A health official in the Netherlands has called for a debate on the
idea of forced abortion and contraception to deal with what she sees as
a crisis of unwanted children.
Alderman Marianne van den Anker of the Leefbaar Rotterdam Party wants
specifically to target communities of Antilleans and Arubans where she
sees the biggest problems of unwanted children
Her comments have stirred protest by a health foundation working with
those communities in Rotterdam. The group, which called the comments
degrading, is asking Mayor Ivo Opstelten and other politicians to
distance themselves from Van den Anker's views.
Van den Anker is a mother of two children and the official in charge of
Rotterdam's health and security portfolios.
In an interview in a newspaper Saturday, she said she had tried
everything to prevent child abuse.
"I fail, I fail," she told the interviewer as she outlined her
controversial idea for a debate on compulsory abortion and
contraception.
The target groups for her program are Antillean teenage mothers; drug
addicts and people with mental handicaps, she said, according to a
report in Expatica.
According to the report, Van den Anker said children from these groups
run an "unacceptable risk" of growing up without love and with
"violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse."
"The exceptions," she said, "and there are some, can be counted on a
pair of hands."
Van den Anker pointed to the growing number of Antillean youth gangs in
Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes.
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
We should be showing more tolerance to the youngest humans, not
treating their death as trivial as using contraception.
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01 Mar 2006 04:09:32 PM |
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I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy. Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe. Other physical
deficiencies include inadquate digestion (including chronic diarrhea,
food sensitivies and celiac disease) and predisposition to Alzheimer's
and cardiovascular disease. These kids are *far* from being "perfectly
healthy.
Face it: some humans have *no* business reproducing. Thank heavens
the Dutch are sensible people.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "" |
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02 Mar 2006 01:30:11 AM |
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skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
Other physical
deficiencies include inadquate digestion (including chronic diarrhea,
food sensitivies and celiac disease) and predisposition to Alzheimer's
and cardiovascular disease. These kids are *far* from being "perfectly
healthy.
So what? you don't think they deserve to continue their lives? Watch
the Special Olympics and you will that some of these people can do
things you or I cannot.
Face it: some humans have *no* business reproducing. Thank heavens
the Dutch are sensible people.
Thats the kind of response I'd expect from you and your ilk. Control
freak! Thankfully you will never decide who gets to live or die.
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02 Mar 2006 11:53:18 AM |
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<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
Other physical
deficiencies include inadquate digestion (including chronic diarrhea,
food sensitivies and celiac disease) and predisposition to Alzheimer's
and cardiovascular disease. These kids are *far* from being "perfectly
healthy.
So what? you don't think they deserve to continue their lives?
Thousands of children die of hunger every day for want of $20/month
worth of food and clean water. Why don't you think that THEY deserve
to continue their lives? Why do you want to kill them? Because
they're poor? Because they're the wrong color?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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06 Mar 2006 12:23:10 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
Other physical
deficiencies include inadquate digestion (including chronic diarrhea,
food sensitivies and celiac disease) and predisposition to Alzheimer's
and cardiovascular disease. These kids are *far* from being "perfectly
healthy.
So what? you don't think they deserve to continue their lives?
Thousands of children die of hunger every day for want of $20/month
worth of food and clean water. Why don't you think that THEY deserve
to continue their lives?
They do deserve to contunie their lives.
Why do you want to kill them?
Why do you lie?
Because
they're poor?
Is that why you don't help?
Because they're the wrong color?
Is that why you don't help? Is that why you beloved Planned Parenthood
is located in so many poor neighbourhoods?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Mar 2006 10:27:33 PM |
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<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
Other physical
deficiencies include inadquate digestion (including chronic diarrhea,
food sensitivies and celiac disease) and predisposition to Alzheimer's
and cardiovascular disease. These kids are *far* from being "perfectly
healthy.
So what? you don't think they deserve to continue their lives?
Thousands of children die of hunger every day for want of $20/month
worth of food and clean water. Why don't you think that THEY deserve
to continue their lives?
They do deserve to contunie their lives.
But not if it inconveniences you. After all, you're not pro-life.
You're jusyt an anti-chocie control freak who wants to make women
obey. Actually saving lives isn't of any interest to you.
Why do you want to kill them?
Why do you lie?
What "lie"? If refusing to keep a fetus alive is killing it then
refusing to keep a starving child alive is killing it.
Because
they're poor?
Is that why you don't help?
How do you know what I do?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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02 Mar 2006 08:37:46 AM |
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<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
Other physical
deficiencies include inadquate digestion (including chronic diarrhea,
food sensitivies and celiac disease) and predisposition to Alzheimer's
and cardiovascular disease. These kids are *far* from being "perfectly
healthy.
So what? you don't think they deserve to continue their lives? Watch
the Special Olympics and you will that some of these people can do
things you or I cannot.
Fine, then go adopt some. What's stopping you?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
03 Mar 2006 09:43:18 PM |
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In <46oe65Fc162tU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it
in the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are
facing when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics
or abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
Other physical
deficiencies include inadquate digestion (including chronic diarrhea,
food sensitivies and celiac disease) and predisposition to Alzheimer's
and cardiovascular disease. These kids are *far* from being "perfectly
healthy.
So what? you don't think they deserve to continue their lives? Watch the
Special Olympics and you will that some of these people can do things
you or I cannot.
Fine, then go adopt some. What's stopping you?
It means getting off his fat ***** and doing something instead of just
yapping about it on Usenet?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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03 Mar 2006 09:49:36 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked? If you don't what to do, why haven't
you made an heroic effort to learn?
Other physical
deficiencies include inadquate digestion (including chronic diarrhea,
food sensitivies and celiac disease) and predisposition to Alzheimer's
and cardiovascular disease. These kids are *far* from being "perfectly
healthy.
So what? you don't think they deserve to continue their lives? Watch
the Special Olympics and you will that some of these people can do
things you or I cannot.
Fine, then go adopt some. What's stopping you?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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04 Mar 2006 11:45:23 AM |
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Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked?
As opposed to the children you'd rather see die slowly?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Anne" |
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04 Mar 2006 04:48:11 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked?
As opposed to the children you'd rather see die slowly?
How many children who are poor and needy have you
helped? Have you sent your $40,000.00 check to a
charity? Remember your red-herring argument?
You want children killed in the womb and you're letting
them die after they are born poor and needy too. You
are a double threat, Ray red-herring Fischer.
These are examples of your stupid, fallacious arguments.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "BOB" |
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04 Mar 2006 05:50:17 PM |
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"Anne" <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1141512491.574741.42910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after
reading it in the Canberra Times last week. This is the
slippery slope we are facing when we disregard a humans life
because of the characteristics or abilities they have. From
allowing abortion because of the mothers health we are now
aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked?
As opposed to the children you'd rather see die slowly?
How many children who are poor and needy have you
helped? Have you sent your $40,000.00 check to a
charity? Remember your red-herring argument?
You want children killed in the womb and you're letting
them die after they are born poor and needy too. You
are a double threat, Ray red-herring Fischer.
These are examples of your stupid, fallacious arguments.
And bad examples at that, Fanney.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Anne" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
04 Mar 2006 07:06:05 PM |
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BOB wrote:
"Anne" <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1141512491.574741.42910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after
reading it in the Canberra Times last week. This is the
slippery slope we are facing when we disregard a humans life
because of the characteristics or abilities they have. From
allowing abortion because of the mothers health we are now
aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked?
As opposed to the children you'd rather see die slowly?
How many children who are poor and needy have you
helped? Have you sent your $40,000.00 check to a
charity? Remember your red-herring argument?
You want children killed in the womb and you're letting
them die after they are born poor and needy too. You
are a double threat, Ray red-herring Fischer.
These are examples of your stupid, fallacious arguments.
And bad examples at that, Fanney.
I see you trimmed the Christian ng's from the header.
So you are not only dishonest and juvenile, but a coward
as well.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
04 Mar 2006 09:46:06 PM |
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"Anne" <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote in news:1141520765.644793.149060
@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
BOB wrote:
"Anne" <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1141512491.574741.42910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after
reading it in the Canberra Times last week. This is the
slippery slope we are facing when we disregard a humans
life
because of the characteristics or abilities they have. From
allowing abortion because of the mothers health we are now
aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked?
As opposed to the children you'd rather see die slowly?
How many children who are poor and needy have you
helped? Have you sent your $40,000.00 check to a
charity? Remember your red-herring argument?
You want children killed in the womb and you're letting
them die after they are born poor and needy too. You
are a double threat, Ray red-herring Fischer.
These are examples of your stupid, fallacious arguments.
And bad examples at that, Fanney.
I see you trimmed the Christian ng's from the header.
So you are not only dishonest and juvenile, but a coward
as well.
I trimmed nothing from the header Fanney. Get back on your meds.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Anne" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
04 Mar 2006 07:02:45 PM |
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BOB wrote:
"Anne" <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1141512491.574741.42910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after
reading it in the Canberra Times last week. This is the
slippery slope we are facing when we disregard a humans life
because of the characteristics or abilities they have. From
allowing abortion because of the mothers health we are now
aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked?
As opposed to the children you'd rather see die slowly?
How many children who are poor and needy have you
helped? Have you sent your $40,000.00 check to a
charity? Remember your red-herring argument?
You want children killed in the womb and you're letting
them die after they are born poor and needy too. You
are a double threat, Ray red-herring Fischer.
These are examples of your stupid, fallacious arguments.
And bad examples at that, Fanney.
You are dishonest and juvenile.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
04 Mar 2006 09:44:20 PM |
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"Anne" <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote in news:1141520565.226458.314170
@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
BOB wrote:
"Anne" <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1141512491.574741.42910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after
reading it in the Canberra Times last week. This is the
slippery slope we are facing when we disregard a humans
life
because of the characteristics or abilities they have. From
allowing abortion because of the mothers health we are now
aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked?
As opposed to the children you'd rather see die slowly?
How many children who are poor and needy have you
helped? Have you sent your $40,000.00 check to a
charity? Remember your red-herring argument?
You want children killed in the womb and you're letting
them die after they are born poor and needy too. You
are a double threat, Ray red-herring Fischer.
These are examples of your stupid, fallacious arguments.
And bad examples at that, Fanney.
You are dishonest and juvenile.
Beats being an anti-choice loon and religious kook like you Fanney.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
04 Mar 2006 08:39:06 PM |
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Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Anne <maxcharles@comcast.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<legend_89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141284611.800802.119710@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Fine, then go adopt some.
Most have a
degree of mental retardation, many quite severe.
So what?
So what? How many retarded children have you adopted?
By the same token, how many abortions have you performed
in order to help some of those poor women who want their
unborn babies whacked?
As opposed to the children you'd rather see die slowly?
How many children who are poor and needy have you
helped?
A lot more than I demand that you help.
Have you sent your $40,000.00 check to a
charity?
YOU are the one who said that they could take, by force, what they
needed to live. Now you're trying to change your story.
You want children killed in the womb
You are an evil liar.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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02 Mar 2006 04:30:36 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:30:11 -0800, legend_89 wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Not genetically, nope. A Down's Syndrome being has an extra chromosome
and is therefore not a human being.
-- Regards, Curly
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Beware the American Taliban
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
05 Mar 2006 11:52:05 PM |
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:30:11 -0800, legend_89 wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
legend_89@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip>
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Chiildren with Downs syndrom are *not* perfectly healthy.
They have varying degrees of health. They are human beings.
Not genetically, nope. A Down's Syndrome being has an extra chromosome
and is therefore not a human being.
Gentically yes they are. The chromosome number is merely a
CHARACTERISTIC of human beings. Having opposable thumbs is also, that
does not mean that those who do not develop arms are not human beings.
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| User: "Martin" |
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26 Feb 2006 12:00:08 PM |
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wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Mandatory abortion proposed in Holland
Official calls for debate to deal
with issue of unwanted children
Posted: February 21, 2006
11:44 a.m. Eastern
A health official in the Netherlands has called for a debate on the
idea of forced abortion and contraception to deal with what she sees as
a crisis of unwanted children.
Alderman Marianne van den Anker of the Leefbaar Rotterdam Party wants
specifically to target communities of Antilleans and Arubans where she
sees the biggest problems of unwanted children
Her comments have stirred protest by a health foundation working with
those communities in Rotterdam. The group, which called the comments
degrading, is asking Mayor Ivo Opstelten and other politicians to
distance themselves from Van den Anker's views.
Van den Anker is a mother of two children and the official in charge of
Rotterdam's health and security portfolios.
In an interview in a newspaper Saturday, she said she had tried
everything to prevent child abuse.
"I fail, I fail," she told the interviewer as she outlined her
controversial idea for a debate on compulsory abortion and
contraception.
The target groups for her program are Antillean teenage mothers; drug
addicts and people with mental handicaps, she said, according to a
report in Expatica.
According to the report, Van den Anker said children from these groups
run an "unacceptable risk" of growing up without love and with
"violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse."
"The exceptions," she said, "and there are some, can be counted on a
pair of hands."
Van den Anker pointed to the growing number of Antillean youth gangs in
Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes.
I was wondering when someone would post this story after reading it in
the Canberra Times last week. This is the slippery slope we are facing
when we disregard a humans life because of the characteristics or
abilities they have. From allowing abortion because of the mothers
health we are now aborting perfectly healthy unborn because of things
like having Downs Syndrome etc.
Having Down's Syndrome is being "perfectly healthy" is it?
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: From Liberal Paradise: Mandatory Abortion Proposed In Holland |
26 Feb 2006 04:56:48 PM |
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"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote
Having Down's Syndrome is being "perfectly healthy" is it?
No, it's a disorder.
However the grounds for supporting abortion are "pro-choice". Pro-choicers
don't make a distinction between a healthy or unhealthy baby. In both cases
the woman must choose.
What they forget is that, if most Down's babies are aborted, that creates a
culture it which it gets progressively more and more difficult to choose to
carry one to term. Society will say "it was your foolish decision to have
this child, therefore its only fair if you pick up the whole financial
cost".
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $6.90 paper, available www.lulu.com
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