Religions > Atheism > From Progressive Europe: French Atheist Cult Worships Sex And Preaches Cloning
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From Progressive Europe: French Atheist Cult Worships Sex And Preaches Cloning |
UFO-clone cult spreads atheism
Leader says Eve will not see outside world until age of 18
Does the UFO cult that claims to have cloned the first human baby have
an agenda beyond weird science?
It appears so, according to interviews with its leader, Rael, formerly
French magazine sportswriter and wannabe race-car driver Claude
Vorilhon, 56. He took the name Rael after claiming to have a close
encounter of the third kind.
His message for the world, like all Raelians, is that there's no God.
We can all achieve immortality through cloning.
On Dec. 13, 1973, Vorilhon said he was walking in the Clermont-Ferrand
volcanic mountain range in France when a UFO touched down. Humanoid
creatures with pale greenish skin and almond-shaped eyes took him
aboard, saying they wanted him to be their messenger to humankind.
The aliens explained they cloned the first people 25,000 years ago.
Calling themselves ''Elohim'' - a name appearing in Genesis commonly
translated as "gods" - the aliens said they had been mistaken as
divine by several religions.
The little green people said Vorilhon was himself a clone and that
they impregnated his mother in 1946 after the use of the first atomic
bombs awakened them to mankind's advanced scientific knowledge.
''When I told my mother and grandmother the true story, my grandmother
was relieved because she said that she had seen UFOs lingering around
the house over the years and had never told anyone,'' Vorilhon told the
Village Voice last year.
Vorilhon, who frequently dons flowing white garments, said his mission
is to spread the word that there is no God, and that science and our
alien forefathers would set people free -physically and sexually -
and help them live forever.
Two years after the aliens' first visit, they reappeared and took
Vorilhon to another planet where he said he met Jesus, Mohammed and
Buddha. All became immortal through cloning, he said.
Ever since, he's been preaching the message of protecting the rights of
the ''unreborn'' - a buzzword he used while testifying before
Congress in March 2001. A federal cloning ban would be a Dark Ages act
suitable for the Taliban, not freedom-loving America, he said.
''Traditional religions have always been against scientific
progress,'' he said. ''They were against the steam engine,
electricity, airplanes, cars, radio, television, etc. If we had
listened to them, we would still have horses and carts and candles.''
Rael claims he has 2,000 more people on his books waiting to be
cloned.
Rael set up Clonaid, the company which helped an anonymous mother
clone her child Eve, who was born in the USA. In an exclusive
interview with Scotland's Sunday Herald, Rael said Eve would not be
seen by the outside world until she was 18. Clonaid has said it will
provide scientific proof that the child is a clone within the next
week.
He robustly defended the cloning experiment, saying: 'We are for peace
and love. This is a time of danger for earth. We are spiritually lost.
The two most powerful countries on earth - America and Britain -
are ready to kill 100,000 civilians in Iraq, yet people are angry over
the birth of a beautiful little girl through cloning.'
Rael's 55,000 Raelian followers believe humans were created in labs by
aliens. Rael claims to have been visited by aliens in his native
France, and says his ultimate goal is to clone people at the point of
death, grow the clone to adulthood in a few of hours and download their
memory into the clone's body - a technique he says will lead to
eternal life and which he believes will be attainable in 25 years.
Rael also attacked Christianity, and particularly the Vatican, for its
opposition to cloning. 'Everything that the Pope is against, I
support,' he said. 'The Catholic Church is the worst enemy of human
nature.'
Those who adhere to Vorilhon's teachings are encouraged to be
respectful of other people and to enjoy the sexual company of others,
including those of the same sex.
''He surrounds himself with attractive, glassy-eyed women - maybe
that's why he likes Florida in the winter,'' said Eric Siblin, a
Canadian writer who interviewed Rael for the Canadian magazine Logik
three years ago. Siblin said he went to a pro-cloning event in Montreal
run by the Raelians, whose interest in extraterrestrials and free love
were evident.
''The meeting drew hundreds of people,'' he said. ''Lots of them were
sci-fi nerds, and there were strippers, too.''
The sect sells science fiction knickknacks at its theme park/compound
outside Montreal known as UFOLand, Siblin said.
The group, which claims more than 55,000 members worldwide, supports
itself by tithing member's salaries - up to 3 percent of earnings -
selling $9,000 embryo-obtaining ''cloning machines'' and charging large
sums for cloning services.
In 1999, Vorilhon persuaded former West Virginia state legislator Mark
Hunt to pay $500,000 to open a secret laboratory in Nitro, W.Va., to
clone his dead 10-month-old son. Raelian Bishop Brigitte Boisselier,
who made Friday's announcement, headed the project, but the U.S. Food
and Drug Administration closed it down before she could finish.
After that, the Raelians never shunned the limelight.
In June, 2000, Catholic officials in Montreal took the Raelians to
court in an attempt to break a lease that allowed the cult to use
church property for its meetings. Catholic representatives said they
were not aware of the Raelians' sexually libertine and space-age
beliefs when they signed the agreement.
Problems with the Catholic Church resurfaced this year when Raelian
protesters appeared outside a Catholic secondary school in Montreal
and urged students to renounce their religion. The demonstrators
carried wooden crosses, which they wanted the students to burn.
The Raelians have had run-ins with public institutions as well. In
July 2000, they accused the United Nations of religious discrimination
after UNESCO excluded the Raelian cult from its Manifesto 2000, a
worldwide petition for peace and nonviolence.
Also, Vorilhon has crusaded to try to establish an embassy, preferably
in Israel, for extraterrestrials when they return to Earth. The effort
hasn't gone far.
Rael also revealed that his next big venture would be the creation of a
virtual sex machine which will allow computer users to have sex with
each other online.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30224
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| User: "Steve" |
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21 Aug 2005 11:17:01 PM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
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UFO-clone cult spreads atheism
<snipped earth shattering incite>
so i guess you logic is some loon's dont believe in god therefore if you
dont believe in god your a loon. Is that about it ?
Dont you get tired of embarrassing yourself in a public forum ?
Steve
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| User: "John of Aix" |
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24 Aug 2005 03:24:47 AM |
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Steve wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1124847147.723573.241990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
UFO-clone cult spreads atheism
<snipped earth shattering incite>
His insight didn't incite me at all ;-)
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| User: "Robi" |
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24 Aug 2005 05:50:59 AM |
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Does the UFO cult that claims to have cloned the first human baby have
an agenda beyond weird science?
It appears so, according to interviews with its leader, Rael, formerly
French magazine sportswriter and wannabe race-car driver Claude
Vorilhon, 56. He took the name Rael after claiming to have a close
encounter of the third kind.
His message for the world, like all Raelians, is that there's no God.
We can all achieve immortality through cloning.
On Dec. 13, 1973, Vorilhon said he was walking in the Clermont-Ferrand
volcanic mountain range in France when a UFO touched down. Humanoid
creatures with pale greenish skin and almond-shaped eyes took him
aboard, saying they wanted him to be their messenger to humankind.
The aliens explained they cloned the first people 25,000 years ago.
Calling themselves ''Elohim'' - a name appearing in Genesis commonly
translated as "gods" - the aliens said they had been mistaken as
divine by several religions.
The little green people said Vorilhon was himself a clone and that
they impregnated his mother in 1946 after the use of the first atomic
bombs awakened them to mankind's advanced scientific knowledge.
''When I told my mother and grandmother the true story, my grandmother
was relieved because she said that she had seen UFOs lingering around
the house over the years and had never told anyone,'' Vorilhon told the
Village Voice last year.
Vorilhon, who frequently dons flowing white garments, said his mission
is to spread the word that there is no God, and that science and our
alien forefathers would set people free -physically and sexually -
and help them live forever.
Two years after the aliens' first visit, they reappeared and took
Vorilhon to another planet where he said he met Jesus, Mohammed and
Buddha. All became immortal through cloning, he said.
Ever since, he's been preaching the message of protecting the rights of
the ''unreborn'' - a buzzword he used while testifying before
Congress in March 2001. A federal cloning ban would be a Dark Ages act
suitable for the Taliban, not freedom-loving America, he said.
''Traditional religions have always been against scientific
progress,'' he said. ''They were against the steam engine,
electricity, airplanes, cars, radio, television, etc. If we had
listened to them, we would still have horses and carts and candles.''
Rael claims he has 2,000 more people on his books waiting to be
cloned.
Rael set up Clonaid, the company which helped an anonymous mother
clone her child Eve, who was born in the USA. In an exclusive
interview with Scotland's Sunday Herald, Rael said Eve would not be
seen by the outside world until she was 18. Clonaid has said it will
provide scientific proof that the child is a clone within the next
week.
He robustly defended the cloning experiment, saying: 'We are for peace
and love. This is a time of danger for earth. We are spiritually lost.
The two most powerful countries on earth - America and Britain -
are ready to kill 100,000 civilians in Iraq, yet people are angry over
the birth of a beautiful little girl through cloning.'
Rael's 55,000 Raelian followers believe humans were created in labs by
aliens. Rael claims to have been visited by aliens in his native
France, and says his ultimate goal is to clone people at the point of
death, grow the clone to adulthood in a few of hours and download their
memory into the clone's body - a technique he says will lead to
eternal life and which he believes will be attainable in 25 years.
Rael also attacked Christianity, and particularly the Vatican, for its
opposition to cloning. 'Everything that the Pope is against, I
support,' he said. 'The Catholic Church is the worst enemy of human
nature.'
Those who adhere to Vorilhon's teachings are encouraged to be
respectful of other people and to enjoy the sexual company of others,
including those of the same sex.
You have to admit though, that this is an interesting illustration of
how these cults start off and then grow. I guess if the Christians
really analysed their own claims they'd see that there isn't much
difference and question their own beliefs.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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24 Aug 2005 05:52:54 AM |
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Robi wrote:
Does the UFO cult that claims to have cloned the first human baby have
an agenda beyond weird science?
It appears so, according to interviews with its leader, Rael, formerly
French magazine sportswriter and wannabe race-car driver Claude
Vorilhon, 56. He took the name Rael after claiming to have a close
encounter of the third kind.
His message for the world, like all Raelians, is that there's no God.
We can all achieve immortality through cloning.
On Dec. 13, 1973, Vorilhon said he was walking in the Clermont-Ferrand
volcanic mountain range in France when a UFO touched down. Humanoid
creatures with pale greenish skin and almond-shaped eyes took him
aboard, saying they wanted him to be their messenger to humankind.
The aliens explained they cloned the first people 25,000 years ago.
Calling themselves ''Elohim'' - a name appearing in Genesis commonly
translated as "gods" - the aliens said they had been mistaken as
divine by several religions.
The little green people said Vorilhon was himself a clone and that
they impregnated his mother in 1946 after the use of the first atomic
bombs awakened them to mankind's advanced scientific knowledge.
''When I told my mother and grandmother the true story, my grandmother
was relieved because she said that she had seen UFOs lingering around
the house over the years and had never told anyone,'' Vorilhon told the
Village Voice last year.
Vorilhon, who frequently dons flowing white garments, said his mission
is to spread the word that there is no God, and that science and our
alien forefathers would set people free -physically and sexually -
and help them live forever.
Two years after the aliens' first visit, they reappeared and took
Vorilhon to another planet where he said he met Jesus, Mohammed and
Buddha. All became immortal through cloning, he said.
Ever since, he's been preaching the message of protecting the rights of
the ''unreborn'' - a buzzword he used while testifying before
Congress in March 2001. A federal cloning ban would be a Dark Ages act
suitable for the Taliban, not freedom-loving America, he said.
''Traditional religions have always been against scientific
progress,'' he said. ''They were against the steam engine,
electricity, airplanes, cars, radio, television, etc. If we had
listened to them, we would still have horses and carts and candles.''
Rael claims he has 2,000 more people on his books waiting to be
cloned.
Rael set up Clonaid, the company which helped an anonymous mother
clone her child Eve, who was born in the USA. In an exclusive
interview with Scotland's Sunday Herald, Rael said Eve would not be
seen by the outside world until she was 18. Clonaid has said it will
provide scientific proof that the child is a clone within the next
week.
He robustly defended the cloning experiment, saying: 'We are for peace
and love. This is a time of danger for earth. We are spiritually lost.
The two most powerful countries on earth - America and Britain -
are ready to kill 100,000 civilians in Iraq, yet people are angry over
the birth of a beautiful little girl through cloning.'
Rael's 55,000 Raelian followers believe humans were created in labs by
aliens. Rael claims to have been visited by aliens in his native
France, and says his ultimate goal is to clone people at the point of
death, grow the clone to adulthood in a few of hours and download their
memory into the clone's body - a technique he says will lead to
eternal life and which he believes will be attainable in 25 years.
Rael also attacked Christianity, and particularly the Vatican, for its
opposition to cloning. 'Everything that the Pope is against, I
support,' he said. 'The Catholic Church is the worst enemy of human
nature.'
Those who adhere to Vorilhon's teachings are encouraged to be
respectful of other people and to enjoy the sexual company of others,
including those of the same sex.
You have to admit though, that this is an interesting illustration of
how these cults start off and then grow. I guess if the Christians
really analysed their own claims they'd see that there isn't much
difference and question their own beliefs.
But, of course, the OP is trying to link this cult to atheism...and I'm
not sure how. I see nothing above that would connect the Raelians to
atheism.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Aug 2005 08:58:21 PM |
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In episode <1124847147.723573.241990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, words
of truth burst into the room and exclaimed:
UFO-clone cult spreads atheism
Pat Robertson advocates assassinations.
Your point?
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Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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| User: "Joseph Hertzlinger" |
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24 Aug 2005 01:50:33 AM |
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On 23 Aug 2005 18:32:27 -0700, words of truth
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
UFO-clone cult spreads atheism
Leader says Eve will not see outside world until age of 18
Does the UFO cult that claims to have cloned the first human baby have
an agenda beyond weird science?
From http://www.hogonice.com/archives/003906.html
| Tom [Cruise] worships L. Ron Hubbard, a bad science fiction writer.
| Whether he realizes it or not. Why not have a religion that worships
| a GOOD science fiction writer? I'm thinking of Philip K. *****. We'll
| kick their *****.
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http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com
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23 Aug 2005 11:14:05 PM |
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words of truth wrote:
UFO-clone cult spreads atheism
Leader says Eve will not see outside world until age of 18
Does the UFO cult that claims to have cloned the first human baby have
an agenda beyond weird science?
Raelians? They ahd their fake cloned baby were in the news three years
ago - don't you have someting more up to date?
It appears so, according to interviews with its leader, Rael, formerly
French magazine sportswriter and wannabe race-car driver Claude
Vorilhon, 56. He took the name Rael after claiming to have a close
encounter of the third kind.
Yeah, he is an obvious kook - but wou wouldn't prefer these kooks to
100% American holy men like David Koresh or Jim Jones?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
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| User: "John of Aix" |
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24 Aug 2005 07:51:46 AM |
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wrote:
words of truth wrote:
UFO-clone cult spreads atheism
Leader says Eve will not see outside world until age of 18
Does the UFO cult that claims to have cloned the first human baby
have an agenda beyond weird science?
They're a bit slow where he lives, you'll have to excuse him.
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| User: "Joseph Hertzlinger" |
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24 Aug 2005 01:37:48 AM |
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Worship guns? On rec.arts.sf.science, we worship phasers!
Phasers don't disintegrate people; people disintegrate people.
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| User: "John of Aix" |
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24 Aug 2005 07:52:40 AM |
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Joseph Hertzlinger wrote:
Worship guns? On rec.arts.sf.science, we worship phasers!
Phasers don't disintegrate people; people disintegrate people.
No phasers disintegrate people (if they exist) people just pull the
triggers.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: From Medieval America: US Christian Cults Worship Guns And PreachArmageddon |
24 Aug 2005 08:12:59 AM |
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John of Aix wrote:
Joseph Hertzlinger wrote:
Worship guns? On rec.arts.sf.science, we worship phasers!
Phasers don't disintegrate people; people disintegrate people.
No phasers disintegrate people (if they exist) people just pull the
triggers.
Actually, to be technically accurate (insofar as talking about phasers
can be), phasers and people do not disintegrate people; it is the high
concentration of phased energy nadions that does that. 8-)
Yes, I'm a Trekker. Does it show?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "John of Aix" |
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24 Aug 2005 08:44:22 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
John of Aix wrote:
Joseph Hertzlinger wrote:
Worship guns? On rec.arts.sf.science, we worship phasers!
Phasers don't disintegrate people; people disintegrate people.
No phasers disintegrate people (if they exist) people just pull the
triggers.
Actually, to be technically accurate (insofar as talking about phasers
can be), phasers and people do not disintegrate people; it is the high
concentration of phased energy nadions that does that. 8-)
Yes, I'm a Trekker. Does it show?
Just a tad.
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| User: "Paul Ciszek" |
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| Title: Re: From Medieval America: US Christian Cults Worship Guns And PreachArmageddon |
25 Aug 2005 11:04:14 AM |
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In article <vn_Oe.6746$Hi.1957@trnddc04>,
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
John of Aix wrote:
Joseph Hertzlinger wrote:
Worship guns? On rec.arts.sf.science, we worship phasers!
Phasers don't disintegrate people; people disintegrate people.
No phasers disintegrate people (if they exist) people just pull the
triggers.
Actually, to be technically accurate (insofar as talking about phasers
can be), phasers and people do not disintegrate people; it is the high
concentration of phased energy nadions that does that. 8-)
Yes, I'm a Trekker. Does it show?
So, how did the Federation *lose* the technology for making sidearms
with a "make it go away" setting between Classic Trek and Next Gen?
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