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"Reel Mckoi" |
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26 Jul 2005 06:40:14 AM |
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From the pond of life: Why do Doctors kill? |
Answer:
One doctor said: “If there are a few doctors who seem to do more, it’s
because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic (oath).”
Concerning abortion the oath states: “I will give no deadly medicine to
any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in like manner I will
not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion.”
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: From the pond of life: Why do Doctors kill? |
26 Jul 2005 07:37:18 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:40:14 -0400 in alt.atheism, Reel Mckoi (Reel
Mckoi <c@c.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Answer:
One doctor said: “If there are a few doctors who seem to do more, it’s
because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic (oath).”
Concerning abortion the oath states: “I will give no deadly medicine to
any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in like manner I will
not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion.”
Classical Version:
Swearing by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia
and all the gods and goddesses!!! I hope our Christian friends will be
maounting a campaign to ban this evil oath ASAP....!!!
<text>
I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and
all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will
fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this
covenant:
To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to
live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to
give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my
brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire
to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts
and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the
sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the
covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no
one else.
I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according
to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor
will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to
a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my
life and my art.
I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will
withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.
Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick,
remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in
particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be
they free or slaves.
What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside
of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one
must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things
shameful to be spoken about.
If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me
to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all
time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite
of all this be my lot.
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: From the Watchtower life: Why do Doctors kill? |
26 Jul 2005 03:29:14 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:40:14 -0400 in alt.atheism, Reel Mckoi (Reel
Mckoi <c@c.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
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Make sure of which Cracklin' or Reel Mckoi you're replying to - the TROLL
from
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn is using other people's names to bypass
killfiles. There are now TWO Cracklin's and TWO Reel McKoi's posting here.
There is no limit to how low a religious fanatic will stoop to silence
someone or get an audience for themselves when ignored.
The Trolls NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.143.35.68
0-1pool35-68.nas95.newark2.nj.us.da.qwest.net
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: From the pond of life: Why do Doctors kill? |
26 Jul 2005 02:29:41 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia
and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I
will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this
covenant [...]
So the oath is to all the Greek gods? Hmmm.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: From the pond of life: Why do Doctors kill? |
26 Jul 2005 12:09:30 PM |
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"Reel Mckoi" <c@c.net> wrote in message
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Answer:
One doctor said: “If there are a few doctors who seem to do more, it’s
because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic (oath).”
Concerning abortion the oath states: “I will give no deadly medicine to
any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in like manner I will
not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion.”
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they will die
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: From the pond of life: Why do Doctors kill? |
26 Jul 2005 12:34:50 PM |
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Answer:
One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more, it's
because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic (oath)."
Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no deadly medicine to
any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in like manner I will
not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they will
die
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That's what the anti-choice group wants! Even some Dr's are anti-choice.
They don't care if she dies. They'll mumble it was god's will. This way
the woman gets PUNISHED for her horrendous and unbelievable sin of having
sex. They can then thump their bibles over her grave and talk about how
pious they were in making abortion illegal or very difficult to get again.
Please snick rec.ponds because it has nothing to do with abortion or the
law.
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CR........
"Where two or three are gathered together in MY name, I am in their midst:"
[Matt 18:20] No Watchtower Society needed.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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26 Jul 2005 12:38:41 PM |
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Answer:
One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more, it's
because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic (oath)."
Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no deadly medicine to
any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in like manner I will
not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they will
die
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That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really want?
Why don't you support children who are in the womb, and why aren't you for
letting people know which ***** got what job/promotion via sexual favors for
the rich?
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: From the pond of life: Why do Doctors kill? |
26 Jul 2005 03:34:57 PM |
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Answer:
One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more, it's
because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic (oath)."
Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no deadly medicine to
any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in like manner I
will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they will
die
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That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you need to
do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
## Why don't you support women who are already born?
and why aren't you for
letting people know which *****
## What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many children
already? A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex? A rape
victim? A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I hear the word
"*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex nutcase or a
misogynist - which are you Johnny?
got what job/promotion via sexual favors for
the rich?
## You must suffer from some serious mental disorder.
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www.freeminds.org
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| User: "Johnny" |
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26 Jul 2005 04:26:10 PM |
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Answer:
One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more,
it's because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic
(oath)." Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no deadly
medicine to any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in like
manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they
will die
=============================
That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you need
to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
## Why don't you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
and why aren't you for
letting people know which *****
## What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already? A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex?
A rape victim? A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I hear
the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex nutcase or a
misogynist - which are you Johnny?
got what job/promotion via sexual favors for
the rich?
## You must suffer from some serious mental disorder.
Is that the best you can come up with to defend the ambitious sex favors for
$$ and position crowd?
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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27 Jul 2005 06:56:34 PM |
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Answer:
One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more,
it's because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic
(oath)." Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no deadly
medicine to any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in
like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce
abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they
will die
=============================
That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you need
to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
## Why don't you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
and why aren't you for
letting people know which *****
## What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already? A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex?
A rape victim? A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I
hear the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex nutcase
or a misogynist - which are you Johnny?
got what job/promotion via sexual favors for
the rich?
## You must suffer from some serious mental disorder.
Is that the best you can come up with to defend the ambitious sex favors
for $$ and position crowd?
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What sex favors for money? What kind of neighborhood do you live in? Can't
you come up with something better than 14 year old girls and old married
women sleeping with their bosses to get promotions? You must suffer from
some serious mental disorder, there's no other answer for the things you
post here.
--
CR....
"Thou seest the mote in thy non-JW brother's eye, but thou seest not the
beam
in thine own JW eye. When thou castest the beam out of thine own JW eye,
then wilt thou see clearly to cast the mote from thy non-JW brother's eye."
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| User: "Johnny" |
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28 Jul 2005 09:48:09 AM |
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Answer:
One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more,
it's because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic
(oath)." Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no deadly
medicine to any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in
like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce
abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they
will die
=============================
That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really
want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you
need to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
## Why don't you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
and why aren't you for
letting people know which *****
## What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already? A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex?
A rape victim? A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I
hear the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex
nutcase or a misogynist - which are you Johnny?
got what job/promotion via sexual favors for
the rich?
## You must suffer from some serious mental disorder.
Is that the best you can come up with to defend the ambitious sex favors
for $$ and position crowd?
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What sex favors for money?
Pro-Choice.
What kind of neighborhood do you live in?
U.S.A.
Can't you come up with something better than 14 year old girls and old
married women sleeping with their bosses to get promotions?
Yes. The question is, can you and Pro-Choicers?
LOL!
You must suffer from some serious mental disorder, there's no other
answer for the things you post here.
Ridiculous.
Either you know what I am telling you is correct and you resort to erroneous
statements to defend the guilty, or you just do not know much.
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: From the pond of life: Why do Doctors kill? |
28 Jul 2005 11:11:25 AM |
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Answer:
One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more,
it's because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic
(oath)." Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no
deadly medicine to any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel,
and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce
abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they
will die
=============================
That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really
want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you
need to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
## Why don't you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
and why aren't you for
letting people know which *****
## What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already? A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into
sex? A rape victim? A woman who used birth-control and it failed?
When I hear the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious
anti-sex nutcase or a misogynist - which are you Johnny?
got what job/promotion via sexual favors for
the rich?
## You must suffer from some serious mental disorder.
Is that the best you can come up with to defend the ambitious sex favors
for $$ and position crowd?
============
What sex favors for money?
Pro-Choice.
## How is that related to prostitution? They existed long before RvW - read
your bible.
What kind of neighborhood do you live in?
U.S.A.
## You must be in a slum full of hookers by what you've written here.
Can't you come up with something better than 14 year old girls and old
married women sleeping with their bosses to get promotions?
Yes. The question is, can you and Pro-Choicers
LOL!
## I see you have NO answer. How is pro-choice related to prostitution?
They existed long before RvW - read your bible.
You must suffer from some serious mental disorder, there's no other
answer for the things you post here.
Ridiculous.
## You don't remember from day to day what you post..... among other crazy
things.
Either you know what I am telling you is correct and you resort to
erroneous statements to defend the guilty, or you just do not know much.
## You post things so far from reality it's obvious you know nothing.....
nothing about history, abortion, ... nothing! You're pathetic with your
endless rant that making abortion illegal will stop women from aborting.
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"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
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28 Jul 2005 11:11:27 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
You must suffer from some serious mental disorder, there's no other
answer for the things you post here.
Ridiculous.
Either you know what I am telling you is correct and you resort to erroneous
statements to defend the guilty, or you just do not know much.
She don't know squat!
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: From the pond of life: Why do Doctors kill? |
27 Jul 2005 02:25:44 AM |
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One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more,
it's because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic
(oath)." Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no deadly
medicine to any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in
like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce
abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they
will die
=============================
That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really
want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you
need to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
## Why don't you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
$$ You failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again. Why don't
you support women who are already born?
and why aren't you for
letting people know which *****
## What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already? A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex?
A rape victim? A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I
hear the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex
nutcase or a misogynist - which are you Johnny?
got what job/promotion via sexual favors for
the rich?
## You must suffer from some serious mental disorder.
Is that the best you can come up with to defend the ambitious sex favors
for $$ and position crowd?
$$ You failed to answer the questions again. Why is that? So here they
are again.
What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already? A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex?
A rape victim? A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I hear
the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex nutcase or a
misogynist - which are you Johnny?
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CR.....
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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| User: "Johnny" |
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27 Jul 2005 11:23:50 AM |
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One doctor said: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more,
it's because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic
(oath)." Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no
deadly medicine to any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel,
and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce
abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they
will die
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That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really
want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you
need to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
## Why don't you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
$$ You failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again. Why don't
you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
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$$ You failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again. Why don't
you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
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Uh, ....You still failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again. Why
don't
you support women who are already born?
I see you can't answer that question because to *support* them you can't
PUNISH them and call them "sluts." See Johnny, all you had to do was be
honest and I wouldn't have had to answer it for you!
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CR...........
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
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28 Jul 2005 09:45:41 AM |
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$$ You failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again. Why don't
you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
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Uh, ....You still failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again.
Why don't
you support women who are already born?
I do.
Why don't you support them before they are born or after they become
pregnant with another female?
I see you can't answer that question because to *support* them you can't
PUNISH them and call them "sluts."
LOL! Your idea that I want to punish them and call them sluts if what
Pro-Choice is all about.
See Johnny, all you had to do was be honest and I wouldn't have had to
answer it for you!
You should try analysis of what exists instead of making inaccurate
statements so much.
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28 Jul 2005 11:06:40 AM |
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$$ You failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again. Why
don't you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
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Uh, ....You still failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again.
Why don't
you support women who are already born?
I do.
Why don't you support them before they are born or after they become
pregnant with another female?
## Because is support the woman FIRST - not the fetus or embryo which is
what you're doing.
I see you can't answer that question because to *support* them you can't
PUNISH them and call them "sluts."
LOL! Your idea that I want to punish them and call them sluts if what
Pro-Choice is all about.
## You forgot what you already posted here about "sluts?" You called women
who for whatever reason can't or don't want to continue a pregnancy sluts.
Do you suffer from memory problems?
See Johnny, all you had to do was be honest and I wouldn't have had to
answer it for you!
You should try analysis of what exists instead of making inaccurate
statements so much.
## Pot calling kettles black again?
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Mat 7:22 Many (Jehovah's Witnesses) will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
have we not
prophesied in thy name (of the Watchtower?) and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works (in getting new recruits and salespeople)?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from
me, ye that work iniquity (for the Watchtower Society).
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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$$ You failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again. Why
don't you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
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Uh, ....You still failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again.
Why don't
you support women who are already born?
I do.
Why don't you support them before they are born or after they become
pregnant with another female?
## Because is support the woman FIRST - not the fetus or embryo which is
what you're doing.
Wrong. When two lives exist simultaneously, there are two lives to consider.
How can I be supporting one life over the other in that case?
Pro-Choice places the already born and formerly in utero people who are for
abortion on demand above the other life which exists in utero.
I see you can't answer that question because to *support* them you can't
PUNISH them and call them "sluts."
LOL! Your idea that I want to punish them and call them sluts is what
Pro-Choice is all about.
## You forgot what you already posted here about "sluts?" You called
women who for whatever reason can't or don't want to continue a pregnancy
sluts. Do you suffer from memory problems?
Tough to forget that abortion, huh?
See Johnny, all you had to do was be honest and I wouldn't have had to
answer it for you!
You should try analysis of what exists instead of making inaccurate
statements so much.
## Pot calling kettles black again?
You're black?
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28 Jul 2005 01:04:59 PM |
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
## Because is support the woman FIRST - not the fetus or embryo which is
what you're doing.
Wrong. When two lives exist simultaneously, there are two lives to
consider.
$$ It's not up to YOU to consider. It's up to the woman - NOT YOU. You
can't seem to get that for some reason.
How can I be supporting one life over the other in that case?
$$ She's already BORN and here. The fetus can die at any time
(miscarriage). SHE is the important one.
Pro-Choice places the already born and formerly in utero people who are
for abortion on demand above the other life which exists in utero.
$$ Why not since so many fetuses die in utero (miscarriages)? Why place
more importance on something not yet born over what is born?
## You forgot what you already posted here about "sluts?" You called
women who for whatever reason can't or don't want to continue a pregnancy
sluts. Do you suffer from memory problems?
Tough to forget that abortion, huh?
$$ What abortion? You never heard of birth control?
See Johnny, all you had to do was be honest and I wouldn't have had
to answer it for you!
You should try analysis of what exists instead of making inaccurate
statements so much.
## Pot calling kettles black again?
You're black?
## Are you?
--
CR.....
Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people
including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be
saved for later raping (concubinage & forced marriage) by Moses' soldiers.
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28 Jul 2005 01:13:02 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:04:59 -0500, "Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote:
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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Wrong. When two lives exist simultaneously, there are two lives to
consider.
$$ It's not up to YOU to consider. It's up to the woman - NOT YOU. You
can't seem to get that for some reason.
That's why he's STILL a virgin at 44.
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28 Jul 2005 09:00:08 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:04:59 -0500, "Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote:
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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[...]
Wrong. When two lives exist simultaneously, there are two lives to
consider.
$$ It's not up to YOU to consider. It's up to the woman - NOT YOU. You
can't seem to get that for some reason.
That's why he's STILL a virgin at 44.
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I think he has other emotional problems, serious problems - besides those he
makes so obvious here.
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CR.....
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
Make sure of which Cracklin' you're replying to - the TROLL from
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn is using other people's names to bypass
killfiles. There are now TWO Cracklin's and TWO Reel McKoi's posting here.
There is no limit to how low a religious fanatic will stoop to silence
someone or get an audience for themselves when ignored.
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29 Jul 2005 03:46:50 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
[...]
I do.
Why don't you support them before they are born or after they become
pregnant with another female?
## Because is support the woman FIRST - not the fetus or embryo which is
what you're doing.
Wrong. When two lives exist simultaneously, there are two lives to consider.
How can I be supportin g one life over the other in that case?
Pro-Choice places the already born and formerly in utero people who are for
abortion on demand above the other life which exists in utero.
The problem is that you have not shown that what is in
the womb is the same thing as a person or something that
should be treated the same as a person, and you _do_ have
this burden of proof. You have it for two reasons:
First, because you wish to claim that a fertilized egg is a
person from the mythical moment of conception. The
problem you have is that the single celled zygote that you
would claim personhood for bears no resemblance to a person.
None. There is no way that a sane person could ever mistake
a zygote for a baby. Now, I don't say that this means it isn't
the same thing. What I say is that this night and day difference
means that YOU have the burden of proving that they are the
same or should be so treated.
Second, you have the burden of proof because it is you who
wishes to change the status quo. Abortion is legal now, as
it was before the mid 19th century. As purely a practical matter,
you have the burden of showing why the practice should be
outlawed.
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28 Jul 2005 01:43:39 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:06:50 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<Af8Ge.13855$h.8690@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
## Because is support the woman FIRST - not the fetus or embryo which is
what you're doing.
Wrong. When two lives exist simultaneously, there are two lives to consider.
No, there is only one.
How can I be supporting one life over the other in that case?
Then don't get an abortion and avoid the question.
Pro-Choice places the already born and formerly in utero people
Now that is a convoluted phrase if I ever read one.
who are for
abortion on demand
No, the availability of abortion.
above the other life which exists in utero.
Which does not matter. Are humans an endangered species? Where is
the requirement that every possible individual must exist?
I see you can't answer that question because to *support* them you can't
PUNISH them and call them "sluts."
LOL! Your idea that I want to punish them and call them sluts is what
Pro-Choice is all about.
No, that is precisely what you say.
## You forgot what you already posted here about "sluts?" You called
women who for whatever reason can't or don't want to continue a pregnancy
sluts. Do you suffer from memory problems?
Tough to forget that abortion, huh?
Not according to most of the women who have had one.
See Johnny, all you had to do was be honest and I wouldn't have had to
answer it for you!
You should try analysis of what exists instead of making inaccurate
statements so much.
## Pot calling kettles black again?
You're black?
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$$ You failed to answer the question. So I'll ask it again. Why don't
you support women who are already born?
How many of them were not in the womb?
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You failed yet again to answer the question. So I'll ask it again.
Why don't you support women who are already born? Why do you only support
fetuses and embryos? Why do you avoid answering questions with other
questions - most unrelated to the question asked? Why don't you seek
professional help for your *****/Madonna complex?
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Subject: The (NON) Qualifications Of The Translators Of The NWT
Fred Franz: 2 Credit Hours Bible Greek, 21 Credit Hours Classical Greek,
University of Cincinnati, Dropped out junior year.
Nathan Knorr: None
Milton Henschel: None
Albert Schroeder: None
Karl Klein: None
George Gangas: None
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27 Jul 2005 02:20:31 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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One doctor sai d: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do more,
it's because some of us are still struggling with our Hippocratic
(oath)." Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no
deadly medicine to any one if asked nor suggest any such counsel,
and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce
abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or they
will die
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That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really
want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you
need to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
70%+ of fertilized eggs never make it to term for reasons
that have nothing to do with abortion. Why do you show
no concern with this, the greatest killer of these "children"
as you call them, in history? A bit hypocritical to ignore
a "death toll" that is about 8 times greater than the number
of "deaths" due to abortion, wouldn't you say?
Your selective outrage brings into question your sincerity.
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28 Jul 2005 09:43:50 AM |
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"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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One doctor sai d: "If there are a few doctors who seem to do
more,
it's because some of us are still struggling with our
Hippocratic
(oath)." Concerning abortion the oath states: "I will give no
deadly medicine to any one if asked nor suggest any such
counsel,
and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to
produce
abortion."
Lets hope he never has female patience who need an abortion or
they
will die
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That's what the anti-choice group wants!
*****.
## Oh? So you do want the woman to have a CHOICE?
Why don't you do some research and find out what Pro-Lifers really
want?
## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe you
need to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
70%+ of fertilized eggs never make it to term for reasons
that have nothing to do with abortion.
Which shows the futility of abortion by force.
Why do you show
no concern with this,
Because there is no outside party performing those spontaneuos abortions.
the greatest killer of these "children"
as you call them, in history?
You like to accuse non-entities of crimes?
A bit hypocritical to ignore
a "death toll" that is about 8 times greater than the number
of "deaths" due to abortion, wouldn't you say?
Not in the slightest.
There is no person performing the spontaneous abortions you mention.
There is no entity to accuse or wrongdoing or to investigate for suspected
wrongdoing.
Your selective outrage brings into question your sincerity.
Your misdiagnosis does nothing to belittle my sincerity.
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29 Jul 2005 03:32:38 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
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## I already did. They want abortion made illegal again. Maybe =
you
need to do some research.
Why don't you support children who are in the womb,
70%+ of ferti lized eggs never make it to term for reasons
that have nothing to do with abortion.
Which shows the futility of abortion by force.
Huh?
futile (fy=C2=A1t=CB=9Dl, fy=C2=A1=CB=9Dt=C3=ACl=C2=B4) adjective
1=2E Having no useful result.
2=2E Trifling and frivolous
The women who have abortions consider the result very
useful. Even you should know this, so maybe you mean
#2: and you are saying that abortion "by force" (as opposed
to birth "by force" I guess) is trifling and frivolous?
So I don't know what the above means.
Why do you show
no concern with this,
Because there is no outside party performing those spontaneuo s abortions.
So it is not the "loss" of life you are concerned about then.
You are only concerned that someone would choose to
induce what happens 70%+ of the time anyway. So even
if only one induced abortion in the US occurred, you would
be more concerned with that than with the millions of unborn
children who die before reaching term? Is that right?
the greatest killer of these "children"
as you call them, in history?
You like to accuse non-entities of crimes?
Yes, as you would describe heart disease as the # 1 killer
in the US.
A bit hypocritical to ignore
a "death toll" that is about 8 times greater than the number
of "deat hs" due to abortion, wouldn't you say?
Not in the slightest.
This might be wishful thinking. I'll bet that you have not, before
this, considered this issue.
There is no person performing the spontaneous abortions you mention.
So you think it makes a great deal of difference to the 8 fold
greater number of "dead babies"--that it wasn't a person who
killed them? That's what you think the important thing is?
There is no entity to accuse or wrongdoing or to investigate for suspected
wrongdoing.
Well, if your agenda is to accuse individuals of wrong-
doing or investigate suspected wrong-doing, you might
consider blaming "God." If he existed, he certainly could
have prevented this 70+ percent of unborn-fertilized-egg-
children who die from being ensouled, at least.
Or better yet, he could have designed a better system that
didn't have such wastage.
But that is beside the point. The point is that when you
show no concern for this 8 fold greater number of deaths,
you have no grounds to call abortion wrong doing. If their
deaths are no big deal then why should a much smaller
number of deaths be a big deal to you?
Your selective outrage brings into question your sincerity.
Your misdiagnosis does nothing to belittle my sincerity.
No, I said your "selective outrage." And I hardly misdiagnosed. You
would treat the same result--the deaths of unborn babies--in wildly
different ways, depending on the cause.
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27 Jul 2005 01:47:15 PM |
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Cracklin' wrote:
What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already?
You should know, tell us about your days as a motorcycle gangstress.
does that qualify.
A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex?
That qualifies.
A rape victim?
how about the one who spred open, then later on called it rape, so her
husband don't bash her head in. By the way, did that not happen to you
in your first marriage? Weren't you called the black & blue lady of
hells angels?
A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I
hear
the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex nutcase or a
misogynist - which are you Johnny?
When I hear the word *****, it reminds of a pond freak, who got married
twiced failerd in her marraige and blame God for her poor choice in men.
You that "ponder"who lost custody of her son for sleeping around and got
dumped in TN.
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27 Jul 2005 02:13:55 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:47:15 -0400, wrote:
Cracklin' wrote:
What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already?
You should know, tell us about your days as a motorcycle gangstress.
does that qualify.
A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex?
That qualifies.
A rape victim?
how about the one who spred open, then later on called it rape, so her
husband don't bash her head in. By the way, did that not happen to you
in your first marriage? Weren't you called the black & blue lady of
hells angels?
A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I
hear
the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex nutcase or a
misogynist - which are you Johnny?
When I hear the word *****, it reminds of a pond freak, who got married
twiced failerd in her marraige and blame God for her poor choice in men.
You that "ponder"who lost custody of her son for sleeping around and got
dumped in TN.
You're obsessed. I believe Cracklin will own you from this moment on.
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"UTBill" <imnot@home.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:47:15 -0400, wrote:
Cracklin' wrote:
What's your definition of a *****? A married women with too many
children already?
You should know, tell us about your days as a motorcycle gangstress.
does that qualify.
A silly teen girl who let some boy talk her into sex?
That qualifies.
A rape victim?
how about the one who spred open, then later on called it rape, so her
husband don't bash her head in. By the way, did that not happen to you
in your first marriage? Weren't you called the black & blue lady of
hells angels?
A woman who used birth-control and it failed? When I
hear
the word "*****" I know I'm dealing with a religious anti-sex nutcase or
a
misogynist - which are you Johnny?
When I hear the word *****, it reminds of a pond freak, who got married
twiced failerd in her marraige and blame God for her poor choice in men.
You that "ponder"who lost custody of her son for sleeping around and got
dumped in TN.
You're obsessed. I believe Cracklin will own you from this moment on.
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See Bill - this is why I expose the WTS as much as possible. Use Jabriol as
an example of what this cult's teachings do to the minds of some of it's
members. He fully believes his god will reward him for his lies and slander
someday. That's what the WTS teaches them. :-(
And you'll notice how his stories are becoming more hateful, sicker,
stranger, more outrageous, more sex oriented and more vicious. Next he'll
claim I was one of the pilots who flew into the WTC.
What a limited and miserable life this Mr. Santana leads.
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CR.........
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
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