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"Mark Earnest" |
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30 May 2007 08:50:52 PM |
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Fun with Noah's Ark |
They say the ark, as it was described, would have just fallen apart in waves
the type of the great flood.
But they made a model of the ark, and put it into a water laboratory pool,
with massive waves, and the ark was very seaworthy.
They say that two of every type of animal could not have possibly fit upon
the ark.
Yet they overlook the fact that their count includes every type of dog,
thousands of them.
But in Noah's time there was only one type of dog: the ever loving wolf.
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as many animals
then as their are now. Only their ancestors were upon the ark.
And about Ham, Shem, and Japheth, Noah's three sons, and their wives?
How could they have produced all of us today, without the genetic
penalties of inbreeding?
Easy if you would just imagine it. Noah's grandsons got their wives from
the same place that Adam and Eve's sons got wives: from the Neanderthals.
In Adam's time, the Neanderthals were just there, evolved from monkeys and
so forth.
In Noah's time, God simply created Neanderthals, for the direct descendents
of Noah to intermarry with, to keep the gene pool strong.
You guys could figure this all out for yourself if you would just set your
minds to them, and stop disagreeing with things before you even read them.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
31 May 2007 11:35:42 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135safmenfara16@corp.supernews.com:
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as
many animals then as their are now. Only their ancestors were
upon the ark.
So you agree, then, that evolution, macro evolution, one species
turning in to another, is real.
That's progress, of a sort.
--
"What is the first law?"
"To Protect."
"And the second?"
"Ourselves."
Terry Austin
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
31 May 2007 10:20:37 PM |
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"No 33 Secretary" <terry.notaniceperson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135safmenfara16@corp.supernews.com:
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as
many animals then as their are now. Only their ancestors were
upon the ark.
So you agree, then, that evolution, macro evolution, one species
turning in to another, is real.
That's progress, of a sort.
And it is your progress to realize mine.
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| User: "Terry Austin" |
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31 May 2007 10:27:45 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"No 33 Secretary" <terry.notaniceperson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135safmenfara16@corp.supernews.com:
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as
many animals then as their are now. Only their ancestors were
upon the ark.
So you agree, then, that evolution, macro evolution, one species
turning in to another, is real.
That's progress, of a sort.
And it is your progress to realize mine.
I know you are, but what am I?
--
Terry Austin
I felt like I was poking a stick in to a bag of puppies.
--Larry the Cable Guy
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
30 May 2007 10:09:48 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135safmenfara16@corp.supernews.com:
They say the ark, as it was described, would have just fallen apart in
waves the type of the great flood.
But they made a model of the ark, and put it into a water laboratory
pool, with massive waves, and the ark was very seaworthy.
Scale models don't scale linearly in strength. You can make a small boat
out of waterpoof paper that will survive perfectly well in your bathtub but
for some reason they didn't make the new Queen Mary out of paper. I wonder
why that is. Learn a bit of basic physics and engineering berfore making a
clown of yourself on a public forum.
They say that two of every type of animal could not have possibly fit
upon the ark.
Yet they overlook the fact that their count includes every type of dog,
thousands of them.
And six million species of beetle. What did all these animals eat for a
year. I hope Noah have a big shovel to deal with the crap.
But in Noah's time there was only one type of dog: the ever loving wolf.
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as many
animals then as their are now. Only their ancestors were upon the ark.
The genetic variation even within individual living species is far too vast
to have arisen from a tiny number of individuals in only a few thousand
years. Humans actually have a very small degree of genetic variation
compared to most species but the math shows that the current variation in
humans results from a bottleneck of about a thousand individuals at around
a hundred thousand years ago. Noah flood story = dead on arrival.
Klazmon.
<SNIP nonsense>
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
31 May 2007 12:21:00 AM |
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"Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
news:Xns99419A4018FC2Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135safmenfara16@corp.supernews.com:
They say the ark, as it was described, would have just fallen apart in
waves the type of the great flood.
But they made a model of the ark, and put it into a water laboratory
pool, with massive waves, and the ark was very seaworthy.
Scale models don't scale linearly in strength. You can make a small boat
out of waterpoof paper that will survive perfectly well in your bathtub
but
for some reason they didn't make the new Queen Mary out of paper. I wonder
why that is. Learn a bit of basic physics and engineering berfore making a
clown of yourself on a public forum.
If it were a 15th century style model, it would have tipped over in such a
violent
test.
Not the ark model. It was designed perfectly.
They say that two of every type of animal could not have possibly fit
upon the ark.
Yet they overlook the fact that their count includes every type of dog,
thousands of them.
And six million species of beetle. What did all these animals eat for a
year. I hope Noah have a big shovel to deal with the crap.
There weren't that many species of beetle, then.
But in Noah's time there was only one type of dog: the ever loving wolf.
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as many
animals then as their are now. Only their ancestors were upon the ark.
The genetic variation even within individual living species is far too
vast
to have arisen from a tiny number of individuals in only a few thousand
years. Humans actually have a very small degree of genetic variation
compared to most species but the math shows that the current variation in
humans results from a bottleneck of about a thousand individuals at around
a hundred thousand years ago. Noah flood story = dead on arrival.
Mosquitoes evolve overnight. A new dog strain comes to pass in one
generation.
A few thousand years is a lot of time for evolving.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
31 May 2007 07:19:41 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135smpo52lpec3b@corp.supernews.com:
"Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
news:Xns99419A4018FC2Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135safmenfara16@corp.supernews.com:
They say the ark, as it was described, would have just fallen apart
in waves the type of the great flood.
But they made a model of the ark, and put it into a water laboratory
pool, with massive waves, and the ark was very seaworthy.
Scale models don't scale linearly in strength. You can make a small
boat out of waterpoof paper that will survive perfectly well in your
bathtub
but
for some reason they didn't make the new Queen Mary out of paper. I
wonder why that is. Learn a bit of basic physics and engineering
berfore making a clown of yourself on a public forum.
If it were a 15th century style model, it would have tipped over in such
a violent
test.
Not the ark model. It was designed perfectly.
The design is not relevant. Scale it up and it will fail.
They say that two of every type of animal could not have possibly fit
upon the ark.
Yet they overlook the fact that their count includes every type of
dog, thousands of them.
And six million species of beetle. What did all these animals eat for a
year. I hope Noah have a big shovel to deal with the crap.
There weren't that many species of beetle, then.
Given the rate of speciation observed today you would have to have
evolution occurring at a million times the normal rate. That would have to
mean the the reproduction rate was around a million times as fast as well
to account for fixation of new alelles in the populations. You really are
a clueless twit.
But in Noah's time there was only one type of dog: the ever loving
wolf.
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as many
animals then as their are now. Only their ancestors were upon the
ark.
The genetic variation even within individual living species is far too
vast
to have arisen from a tiny number of individuals in only a few thousand
years. Humans actually have a very small degree of genetic variation
compared to most species but the math shows that the current variation
in humans results from a bottleneck of about a thousand individuals at
around a hundred thousand years ago. Noah flood story = dead on
arrival.
Mosquitoes evolve overnight. A new dog strain comes to pass in one
generation.
A few thousand years is a lot of time for evolving.
The math has been done and proves you are wrong.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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31 May 2007 12:57:56 PM |
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On May 31, 1:21 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in messagenews:Xns99419A4018FC2Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135safmenfara16@corp.supernews.com:
They say the ark, as it was described, would have just fallen apart in
waves the type of the great flood.
But they made a model of the ark, and put it into a water laboratory
pool, with massive waves, and the ark was very seaworthy.
Scale models don't scale linearly in strength. You can make a small boat
out of waterpoof paper that will survive perfectly well in your bathtub
but
for some reason they didn't make the new Queen Mary out of paper. I wonder
why that is. Learn a bit of basic physics and engineering berfore making a
clown of yourself on a public forum.
If it were a 15th century style model, it would have tipped over in such a
violent
test.
Not the ark model. It was designed perfectly.
They say that two of every type of animal could not have possibly fit
upon the ark.
Yet they overlook the fact that their count includes every type of dog,
thousands of them.
And six million species of beetle. What did all these animals eat for a
year. I hope Noah have a big shovel to deal with the crap.
There weren't that many species of beetle, then.
But in Noah's time there was only one type of dog: the ever loving wolf.
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as many
animals then as their are now. Only their ancestors were upon the ark.
The genetic variation even within individual living species is far too
vast
to have arisen from a tiny number of individuals in only a few thousand
years. Humans actually have a very small degree of genetic variation
compared to most species but the math shows that the current variation in
humans results from a bottleneck of about a thousand individuals at around
a hundred thousand years ago. Noah flood story = dead on arrival.
Mosquitoes evolve overnight. A new dog strain comes to pass in one
generation.
A few thousand years is a lot of time for evolving.
A strain is not the same as a species. And a few thousand years is no
time at all in terms of evolution.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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31 May 2007 10:17:01 PM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1180634276.810158.30200@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 31, 1:21 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in
messagenews:Xns99419A4018FC2Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135safmenfara16@corp.supernews.com:
They say the ark, as it was described, would have just fallen apart
in
waves the type of the great flood.
But they made a model of the ark, and put it into a water laboratory
pool, with massive waves, and the ark was very seaworthy.
Scale models don't scale linearly in strength. You can make a small
boat
out of waterpoof paper that will survive perfectly well in your
bathtub
but
for some reason they didn't make the new Queen Mary out of paper. I
wonder
why that is. Learn a bit of basic physics and engineering berfore
making a
clown of yourself on a public forum.
If it were a 15th century style model, it would have tipped over in such
a
violent
test.
Not the ark model. It was designed perfectly.
They say that two of every type of animal could not have possibly
fit
upon the ark.
Yet they overlook the fact that their count includes every type of
dog,
thousands of them.
And six million species of beetle. What did all these animals eat for
a
year. I hope Noah have a big shovel to deal with the crap.
There weren't that many species of beetle, then.
But in Noah's time there was only one type of dog: the ever loving
wolf.
So be it with all the types of animals. There just were not as many
animals then as their are now. Only their ancestors were upon the
ark.
The genetic variation even within individual living species is far too
vast
to have arisen from a tiny number of individuals in only a few
thousand
years. Humans actually have a very small degree of genetic variation
compared to most species but the math shows that the current variation
in
humans results from a bottleneck of about a thousand individuals at
around
a hundred thousand years ago. Noah flood story = dead on arrival.
Mosquitoes evolve overnight. A new dog strain comes to pass in one
generation.
A few thousand years is a lot of time for evolving.
A strain is not the same as a species. And a few thousand years is no
time at all in terms of evolution.
That is where evolutionists are wrong.
Evolution happens extremely fast, in one generation, often.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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31 May 2007 11:40:13 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in news:135v3t668mqkh15
@corp.supernews.com:
<SNIP>
A strain is not the same as a species. And a few thousand years is no
time at all in terms of evolution.
That is where evolutionists are wrong.
Evolution happens extremely fast, in one generation, often.
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates. Your claim
is empirically disproven. BTW your cretinist buddies might not like to hear
you say that evolution is real and procedes a million times faster than
measured by scientists.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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31 May 2007 11:50:18 PM |
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"Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
news:Xns9942A9947AE02Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in news:135v3t668mqkh15
@corp.supernews.com:
<SNIP>
A strain is not the same as a species. And a few thousand years is no
time at all in terms of evolution.
That is where evolutionists are wrong.
Evolution happens extremely fast, in one generation, often.
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates. Your claim
is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after landing a
man on the Moon.
BTW your cretinist buddies might not like to hear
you say that evolution is real and procedes a million times faster than
measured by scientists.
They are wrong in many ways, too.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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01 Jun 2007 12:22:46 AM |
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Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates. Your
claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all the time.
you say that evolution is real and procedes a million times faster
than measured by scientists.
They are wrong in many ways, too.
No doubt. But that's the scientific method. No risk no reward.
OTOH, the dogma of religion - as it is never changing - is never right.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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01 Jun 2007 12:25:54 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates. Your
claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all the time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth orbit.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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01 Jun 2007 06:14:46 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates.
Your claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all the
time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth orbit.
Give me an Atlas rocket, your sorry *****, and a Rubbermaid trash can. I
can get you into orbit.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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01 Jun 2007 06:38:43 PM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates.
Your claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all the
time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth orbit.
Give me an Atlas rocket, your sorry *****, and a Rubbermaid trash can. I
can get you into orbit.
Why are you so dense?
Why did you know know that "us" in the way I used it means the human race?
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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02 Jun 2007 09:28:51 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1361bfqhie52n17@corp.supernews.com:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9942B9B81145Baskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135vber5bk9di4f@corp.supernews.com:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1OKdnQP3jue7MMLbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates.
Your claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all
the time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth
orbit.
Give me an Atlas rocket, your sorry *****, and a Rubbermaid trash can.
I can get you into orbit.
Why are you so dense?
Why did you know know that "us" in the way I used it means the human
race?
I can do it one person at a time. I'll start with you.
Suit up, Ol' Yeller. We goin' for a ride.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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02 Jun 2007 09:46:55 PM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9942B9B81145Baskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1OKdnQP3jue7MMLbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates.
Your claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all
the time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth
orbit.
Give me an Atlas rocket, your sorry *****, and a Rubbermaid trash can.
I can get you into orbit.
Why are you so dense?
Why did you know know that "us" in the way I used it means the human
race?
I can do it one person at a time. I'll start with you.
Suit up, Ol' Yeller. We goin' for a ride.
Send me in the Space Shuttle, and I'll take it to Mars.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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04 Jun 2007 08:26:23 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1364at3mt542kb8
@corp.supernews.com:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9943DAA07C58Baskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1361bfqhie52n17@corp.supernews.com:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9942B9B81145Baskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:135vber5bk9di4f@corp.supernews.com:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1OKdnQP3jue7MMLbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation
rates.
Your claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years
after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all
the time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth
orbit.
Give me an Atlas rocket, your sorry *****, and a Rubbermaid trash
can.
I can get you into orbit.
Why are you so dense?
Why did you know know that "us" in the way I used it means the human
race?
I can do it one person at a time. I'll start with you.
Suit up, Ol' Yeller. We goin' for a ride.
Send me in the Space Shuttle, and I'll take it to Mars.
Suuuure.
I'd rather just bust an Atlas on yo' *****. Shuttle's not as elegant a way
of dealing with the problem.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Jun 2007 10:34:00 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:38:43 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why are you so dense?
Why did you know know that "us" in the way I used it means the human race?
We HAVE gotten human beings out of Earth's orbit. Maybe you want to
refine your statement a little.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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02 Jun 2007 12:12:09 AM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> bloodied
us up with this:
Give me an Atlas rocket, your sorry *****, and a Rubbermaid trash can. I
can get you into orbit.
Why are you so dense?
Because if we weren't we'd float up into the sky like your godman.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
01 Jun 2007 01:06:33 AM |
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1OKdnQP3jue7MMLbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates. Your
claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all the
time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth orbit.
Um...the US is firmly attached to the Earth.
Please try again.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
01 Jun 2007 06:53:00 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:06:33 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1OKdnQP3jue7MMLbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates. Your
claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all the
time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth orbit.
Um...the US is firmly attached to the Earth.
Please try again.
Save your bandwidth, Geoff. You are talking to someone who thinks we can
travel 4 light years in a month by "filling the (space shuttle) cargo bay
with fuel and souping up the engines."
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
01 Jun 2007 10:10:46 AM |
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On Jun 1, 7:53 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:06:33 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1OKdnQP3jue7MMLbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates. Your
claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all the
time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth orbit.
Um...the US is firmly attached to the Earth.
Please try again.
Save your bandwidth, Geoff. You are talking to someone who thinks we can
travel 4 light years in a month by "filling the (space shuttle) cargo bay
with fuel and souping up the engines."
Did he actually say that? Crap, that's stupid.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
01 Jun 2007 11:18:48 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:10:46 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
On Jun 1, 7:53 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:06:33 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1OKdnQP3jue7MMLbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
Scientists have directly measured mutation and fixation rates.
Your claim is empirically disproven.
Scientists cannot even get us out of Earth orbit 38 years after
landing a man on the Moon.
*****. We send probes out to the solar system and beyond all the
time.
Can't you read? I said scientists cannot get US out of Earth orbit.
Um...the US is firmly attached to the Earth.
Please try again.
Save your bandwidth, Geoff. You are talking to someone who thinks we
can travel 4 light years in a month by "filling the (space shuttle)
cargo bay with fuel and souping up the engines."
Did he actually say that? Crap, that's stupid.
Here is the actual quote, copied from Google Groups:
<quote>
The Space Shuttle could do it, if you just souped up its engines and filled
the cargo bay with fuel, and made a big locker for food water and air. It
could make all the way to Alpha Centauri in about 30 days. It would even
have artificial gravity due to natural constant acceleration.
It just would not be able to land, unless, of course, the Centaurians
granted permission to land upon their desert runways.
So next time strap a lander to the Shuttle's back.
</quote>
Mind-numbingly stupid, eh? In another post, he claims to have "aced
physics in college." Perhaps he attended Liberty University?
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
02 Jun 2007 02:21:56 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
The Space Shuttle could do it, if you just souped up its engines and
filled the cargo bay with fuel, and made a big locker for food water
and air.
Beer. Don't forget the beer.
It could make all the way to Alpha Centauri in about 30
days.
Not just FTL. A lot faster than light.
It would even have artificial gravity due to natural constant
acceleration.
Hope there's enough fuel to stop. I guess you would need to accelerate half
way and decelerate after that, both legs using about the same energy.
Mind-numbingly stupid, eh? In another post, he claims to have "aced
physics in college." Perhaps he attended Liberty University?
He is qualified to be on Bush's Science Advisory Board.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
03 Jun 2007 10:32:54 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:18:48 -0400, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
Here is the actual quote, copied from Google Groups:
<quote>
The Space Shuttle could do it, if you just souped up its engines and filled
the cargo bay with fuel, and made a big locker for food water and air. It
could make all the way to Alpha Centauri in about 30 days. It would even
have artificial gravity due to natural constant acceleration.
It just would not be able to land, unless, of course, the Centaurians
granted permission to land upon their desert runways.
So next time strap a lander to the Shuttle's back.
</quote>
Six light years (more or less) in 1/12 year - that's about 72 times
the speed of light AVERAGE speed - accelerating half the time and
decelerating the other half. Instantaneous maximum speed at
turn-around would probably be something like warp 1000 (anyone
comfortable with astrogation here?) - even the last Enterprise
couldn't get anywhere near that. Unless someone invented an
inertialess drive and we can do a few thousand Gs?
Mind-numbingly stupid, eh?
For people. For Mark it's amazingly coherent, compared to some of his
other claims.
In another post, he claims to have "aced
physics in college." Perhaps he attended Liberty University?
"Aced" - that means he spent one day in the class.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
04 Jun 2007 01:02:35 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
Six light years (more or less) in 1/12 year - that's about 72 times
the speed of light AVERAGE speed - accelerating half the time and
decelerating the other half. Instantaneous maximum speed at
turn-around would probably be something like warp 1000 (anyone
comfortable with astrogation here?) - even the last Enterprise
couldn't get anywhere near that. Unless someone invented an
inertialess drive and we can do a few thousand Gs?
Spindizzies using the Blackett-Dirac Equation can do so and with little
expenditure of energy.
I think it was New York that also found a ship with a frictionless system
but it was not very useful.
"G-squared = 8 P c /U where P is the magnetic moment of the body, c is the
speed of light, and U is the angular momentum! Evidently, by increasing U
for every particle in a body, the constant of gravity is reduced, ergo the
name spindizzy. A space drive based on this principle,... has no practical
upper limit to its speed, and can break the light speed barrier by drawing
less than a few watts of power.
http://www.astronomycafe.net/anthol/scifi1.html
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
04 Jun 2007 06:49:23 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:02:35 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Spindizzies using the Blackett-Dirac Equation can do so and with little
expenditure of energy.
I forgot about that one, it's been so long since I read it. :)
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
05 Jun 2007 12:38:12 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:02:35 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Spindizzies using the Blackett-Dirac Equation can do so and with little
expenditure of energy.
I forgot about that one, it's been so long since I read it. :)
Remember Thor Five! ;-)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
05 Jun 2007 05:45:35 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:49:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:02:35 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Spindizzies using the Blackett-Dirac Equation can do so and with little
expenditure of energy.
I forgot about that one, it's been so long since I read it. :)
I have just bought it again, the four books all in one. (:-)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Fun with Noah's Ark |
06 Jun 2007 01:01:04 AM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:49:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:02:35 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Spindizzies using the Blackett-Dirac Equation can do so and with
little expenditure of energy.
I forgot about that one, it's been so long since I read it. :)
I have just bought it again, the four books all in one. (:-)
I haven't re-read them in a long time.
They and about 99% of all science fiction missed something until the very
end.
I'm not aware of any science fiction writer that saw the end of the
slide-rule until almost after the fact.
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