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"johac" |
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06 Sep 2004 05:52:08 PM |
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Fundies Loved the RNC |
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-christians4sep04,1
,1163968.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage
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Christian Conservatives Leave Convention in Great Spirits
By James Rainey
Times Staff Writer
September 4, 2004
NEW YORK ‹ They may have been pushed mostly out of the prime-time
spotlight, but Christian conservatives left the Republican National
Convention on Friday inspired by one of the most socially conservative
party platforms in years and determined to reelect a president they
viewed as an ideological soul mate.
In a variety of settings mostly removed from the main stage in New
York this week, social conservatives trumpeted their support for
President Bush and welcomed a return of the "culture wars" they first
declared more than a decade ago.
Now, in the 60 days remaining before the election, they plan to
register thousands of voters, whose names have been gleaned from
church directories, and distribute an estimated 30 million voter
guides in churches, malls and other locations. One activist recruited
conservatives to infiltrate Democratic-leaning churches and report on
liberal ministers who make overt political appeals on behalf of the
Democratic candidate, Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts.
"President Bush supports God, and God supports President Bush,
absolutely," said Judith H. Manning, an alternate delegate from
Marietta, Ga., explaining the fervor for Bush. Some conservative
activists had complained before the convention that their voices were
being muffled. Bush gave only brief nods to their top issues in his
nomination acceptance speech Thursday when he called for "a place for
the unborn child" in society, expressed opposition to "activist
judges" who had supported same-sex marriage and said that religious
charities should be able to receive government funds to provide social
services.
Still, conservatives left the convention energized. They had victories
in platform votes, maintaining the Republican stance against abortion
rights, backing Bush's call for a constitutional amendment to ban
same-sex marriages and supporting the limits he placed on research
using stem cells from human embryos.
Though those positions received considerable publicity, the
conservatives' domination of the platform debate went even further.
They won a plank stating that Congress and the president might limit
the jurisdiction of federal courts, a response to rulings that forced
the removal of a Ten Commandments monument from an Alabama courthouse
and that would have stripped the words "under God" from the Pledge of
Allegiance had the U.S. Supreme Court not intervened. The platform
also declares that only heterosexual couples should receive legal
recognition and related benefits.
Moderates were so outnumbered here that they could not even get the
platform committee to hear a motion in favor of a "unity" plank, which
would have recognized other points of view on such hot-button issues
as same-sex marriage and abortion.
"They just hung around, whining in the halls. They didn't have the
votes," Phyllis Schlafly, a long-time conservative activist, said of
the moderates.
The conservative platform positions were not mentioned often from the
convention podium during prime time, but conservatives found other
venues for airing their stands on social issues.
At a variety of rallies, breakfasts and luncheons, calls for a ban on
same-sex marriage routinely drew the loudest cheers from Christian
activists.
"We absolutely have to win this battle," Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas
said at a "family, faith and freedom rally" Tuesday at the
Waldorf-Astoria hotel. "If you lose marriage, if you lose the basic
unit on which you build families, I fear for the republic. I really
do."
Five hundred conservative Christians roared their approval. All were
invited guests at the event, which a flier said was paid for "by the
Committee on Arrangements for the Republican National Committee."
Media representatives were told the event was closed.
Brownback, a possible presidential candidate in 2008, applauded
passage of the bill that banned the procedure opponents call
"partial-birth abortion." He called on Congress to move a bill to
require that mothers be informed of the pain he said their unborn
children suffered in some abortions.
"We are going to require that if a child is to be aborted at 20 weeks
of age or more, that the mother has to be notified about the pain the
child experiences," Brownback said, and "the mother has to be told Š
that the child can be offered anesthesia."
The second-term senator said it was critical that Bush be the one to
appoint federal judges for the next four years to reinforce
conservatives in the "culture wars." That phrase was popularized in
1992 by presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, although many Republicans
continue to blame Buchanan and the hard-line conservative message at
that year's convention for contributing to the defeat of Bush's
father, George H.W. Bush, who was seeking a second term in the White
House.
The tougher conservative message in New York also emerged at a
reception for the authors of a new book, "Thank You, President Bush,"
which the publisher called an attempt to counter the "avalanche" of
books denigrating the president.
Self-described former welfare mother Star Parker, one of the book's
authors, praised Bush for fighting same-sex marriage. She said Bush
understood that traditional marriage was being threatened by "the
profusion of homosexuality in this community that has demanded the
church respect their wishes to promote sodomy." One minister in the
audience whispered in response: "Amen."
Such messages found a receptive audience among at least some of the
Republican delegates, two-thirds of whom identified themselves as
conservative and nine in 10 of whom said they were members of
Christian churches, according to a New York Times/CBS News Poll.
Conservative activist and Bush campaign official Ralph Reed, appearing
before Brownback at the "family, faith and freedom rally," warned the
social activists that the solidarity and euphoria they found here
should not distract them from the campaign work ahead. He recalled
that Republican tracking polls in 2000 had shown Bush solidly ahead
just days before the election, a lead that dissolved entirely in the
final weekend of the campaign as Democrat Al Gore won the popular vote.
Concluded Reed: "We got out-hustled. We got outworked. And we can't
let it happen again."
As a result, conservative activists have a number of plans for getting
out Bush's message as Nov. 2 draws nearer. After distributing 70
million printed voter guides through church circulars in 2000, the
Christian Coalition of America plans this year to use a similar
approach.
This time, however, the organization is likely to print about half as
many guides and target them more precisely, into about 17 of the most
closely contested states. The coalition has preliminary plans to
increase its wallop in those states by distributing the guides not
just in churches but in shopping malls and other public places where
undecided voters might be found, said William F. Thomson, the
organization's national field director.
The Republican National Committee has tried to encourage more voting
by church members by calling on Bush backers in Roman Catholic and
other churches to turn their congregation rosters over to the party.
That drew complaints from some religious leaders, who said the move
would lead to a politicization of the sanctuary. The Internal Revenue
Service has warned both parties that churches might lose their
tax-exempt status if they engaged in partisan activities. But
Republicans defended the tactic, saying the directories were public
documents available to anyone and that the information would be used
in nonpartisan voter-registration drives.
On Thursday morning, Colorado Republican Party Vice Chairman Charles
Broerman said he had passed on to the party the directories of
"hundreds" of churches, containing the names of about 50,000
parishioners, to aid the voter registration drive.
Although Democrats have protested such church-based politicking,
Republicans insist they only want to increase registration among all
voters. They also argue that they have been held to a different
standard than Democratic clerics, who they said had endorsed
candidates from pulpits for years, without any threat to their
tax-exempt status.
William J. Murray of the Religious Freedom Action Coalition in
Washington has taken on the issue of "leveling the playing field" as a
personal mission. He has distributed fliers around Madison Square
Garden for his "Rat Out a Church" campaign, which will use volunteers
to report on Democratic-leaning ministers who violate federal tax law
by endorsing political candidates.
"I'm doing this because every two years the left makes every effort
they can to intimidate conservative pastors and conservative
congregations," Murray said. The best outcome, he said, would be the
overturn of the tax law restrictions against political speech in
churches entirely.
"There shouldn't be a problem" Murray said, "with any pastor, of
either party, saying these things in the public square."
One of the final pep talks of the week came Thursday morning in a
rally of Republican Catholics at a midtown hotel. About 150 delegates
and guests heard from speakers about Bush's love of God and Kerry's
string of failures, among them his support for abortion rights, a
stand one Republican elected official described as "monstrous."
White House strategist Karl Rove has said for some time that 4 million
conservative Christians didn't vote in 2000, and several speakers
Thursday said the party could not let it happen again.
Rep. Melissa A. Hart (R-Pa.) urged the Catholic Republicans to take
the high hopes of the week and bring them back home.
"You are the choir," she told the group. "But we need you to sing."
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John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Fundies Loved the RNC |
07 Sep 2004 10:04:34 AM |
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"We absolutely have to win this battle," Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas
said at a "family, faith and freedom rally" Tuesday at the
Waldorf-Astoria hotel. "If you lose marriage, if you lose the basic
unit on which you build families, I fear for the republic. I really
do."
If these Taliban-wannabees feel that their marriage is worthless unless they
have big-government give their approval to it then I fear for THEIR families.
Remember when Republicans used to fight big-government? Now they uniformly feel
that they have to have it to survive.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Fundies Loved the RNC |
08 Sep 2004 12:31:11 AM |
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In article <20040907110434.09347.00000440@mb-m05.aol.com>,
forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert) wrote:
"We absolutely have to win this battle," Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas
said at a "family, faith and freedom rally" Tuesday at the
Waldorf-Astoria hotel. "If you lose marriage, if you lose the basic
unit on which you build families, I fear for the republic. I really
do."
If these Taliban-wannabees feel that their marriage is worthless unless they
have big-government give their approval to it then I fear for THEIR families.
I wonder how many of them are divorced.
Remember when Republicans used to fight big-government? Now they uniformly
feel
that they have to have it to survive.
I know. Just like at one time they were against deficits. They were
against the courts interfering in what they believed to be their
Constitutional rights, now they want the courts to impose their band
of religion.
That's the problem. Bush and his followers are not conservatives. They
are certainly not liberals. I wish that decent politicians on both
sides of the aisle would rise up, oppose these creeps, and kick them
out of office.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "stoney stoney@ the.net" |
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| Title: Re: Fundies Loved the RNC |
11 Sep 2004 08:22:24 PM |
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Lord Calvert wrote:
"We absolutely have to win this battle," Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas
said at a "family, faith and freedom rally" Tuesday at the
Waldorf-Astoria hotel. "If you lose marriage, if you lose the basic
unit on which you build families, I fear for the republic. I really
do."
If these Taliban-wannabees feel that their marriage is worthless
unless they have big-government give their approval to it then I fear
for THEIR families.
Marriages, families, and children are worthless compared to their
individual 'eternal' stance. Uber-selfishness.
Remember when Republicans used to fight big-government? Now they
uniformly feel that they have to have it to survive.
They're already dead.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Fundies Loved the RNC |
07 Sep 2004 05:25:19 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:52:08 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
thought hard and said:
<snip>
"Re: Fundies Loved the RNC"
Aaaah! My eyes! I cannot see!
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "stoney stoney@ the.net" |
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| Title: Re: Fundies Loved the RNC |
11 Sep 2004 08:20:34 PM |
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johac wrote:
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
How can they not since they control the voting machines and counters,
not to mention a lot of the media?
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-christians4sep04,1
,1163968.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage
---
Christian Conservatives Leave Convention in Great Spirits
By James Rainey
Times Staff Writer
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Fundies Loved the RNC |
12 Sep 2004 03:56:43 AM |
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In article <10k7934j3295tc6@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
How can they not since they control the voting machines and counters,
not to mention a lot of the media?
I'm sure that we will see some October surprise too, like a sudden
Osama appearance.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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15 Sep 2004 07:17:28 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:56:43 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10k7934j3295tc6@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
How can they not since they control the voting machines and counters,
not to mention a lot of the media?
I'm sure that we will see some October surprise too, like a sudden
Osama appearance.
Martial law and the suspension of appointments until the instability
disappears.
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| User: "johac" |
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17 Sep 2004 02:13:03 AM |
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In article <jrmhk098243ajvs9u3n2ifbhl7c3p14rv1@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:56:43 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10k7934j3295tc6@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
How can they not since they control the voting machines and counters,
not to mention a lot of the media?
I'm sure that we will see some October surprise too, like a sudden
Osama appearance.
Martial law and the suspension of appointments until the instability
disappears.
A powerful late season hurricane totally washes away Florida on
election day, and the Supreme Court rules that since Florida would
obviously have voted for Bush, Dubya wins again! Long live the King!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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17 Sep 2004 05:36:06 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:13:03 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jrmhk098243ajvs9u3n2ifbhl7c3p14rv1@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:56:43 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10k7934j3295tc6@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
How can they not since they control the voting machines and counters,
not to mention a lot of the media?
I'm sure that we will see some October surprise too, like a sudden
Osama appearance.
Martial law and the suspension of appointments until the instability
disappears.
A powerful late season hurricane totally washes away Florida on
election day, and the Supreme Court rules that since Florida would
obviously have voted for Bush, Dubya wins again! Long live the King!
Case of; the (cough) Supreme Court rules and Bush drools.
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| User: "johac" |
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18 Sep 2004 01:45:24 AM |
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In article <olpmk0h7urgcmubhbi7bptq1pdvrh5qjhk@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:13:03 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jrmhk098243ajvs9u3n2ifbhl7c3p14rv1@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:56:43 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10k7934j3295tc6@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
How can they not since they control the voting machines and counters,
not to mention a lot of the media?
I'm sure that we will see some October surprise too, like a sudden
Osama appearance.
Martial law and the suspension of appointments until the instability
disappears.
A powerful late season hurricane totally washes away Florida on
election day, and the Supreme Court rules that since Florida would
obviously have voted for Bush, Dubya wins again! Long live the King!
Case of; the (cough) Supreme Court rules and Bush drools.
Hey, I want that for a bum[per sticker! :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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18 Sep 2004 04:14:26 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:45:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <olpmk0h7urgcmubhbi7bptq1pdvrh5qjhk@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:13:03 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jrmhk098243ajvs9u3n2ifbhl7c3p14rv1@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:56:43 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10k7934j3295tc6@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
How can they not since they control the voting machines and counters,
not to mention a lot of the media?
I'm sure that we will see some October surprise too, like a sudden
Osama appearance.
Martial law and the suspension of appointments until the instability
disappears.
A powerful late season hurricane totally washes away Florida on
election day, and the Supreme Court rules that since Florida would
obviously have voted for Bush, Dubya wins again! Long live the King!
Case of; the (cough) Supreme Court rules and Bush drools.
Hey, I want that for a bum[per sticker! :-)
Go ahead. There are programs available to make bumper stickers.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Fundies Loved the RNC |
19 Sep 2004 11:26:23 PM |
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In article <n89pk0p14j4lvt5k16hu4uq0fjkh5j0ltb@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:45:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <olpmk0h7urgcmubhbi7bptq1pdvrh5qjhk@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:13:03 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jrmhk098243ajvs9u3n2ifbhl7c3p14rv1@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:56:43 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10k7934j3295tc6@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Sure, they weren't on center stage, just like 2000, but as anyone
knows who has attended large meetings or conventions, the
important
stuff is not always what happens on the main stage, but what goes
on
in the back rooms and at private meetings and parties.
All I can say is, if these clowns win, *GAWD* help us:
How can they not since they control the voting machines and
counters,
not to mention a lot of the media?
I'm sure that we will see some October surprise too, like a sudden
Osama appearance.
Martial law and the suspension of appointments until the instability
disappears.
A powerful late season hurricane totally washes away Florida on
election day, and the Supreme Court rules that since Florida would
obviously have voted for Bush, Dubya wins again! Long live the King!
Case of; the (cough) Supreme Court rules and Bush drools.
Hey, I want that for a bum[per sticker! :-)
Go ahead. There are programs available to make bumper stickers.
I know, I found some.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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