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User: "johac"
Date: 01 Sep 2007 07:53:36 AM
Object: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop
Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.
---
Unusual hearing follows traffic stop
By Mike Belt
September 1, 2007
Laura West claims the Kansas Highway Patrol trooper who stopped her
³vessel² on the night of June 11 west of Lawrence had no right to arrest
her.
Sheıs never had a driverıs license and doesnıt need one, West said as
she represented herself Friday in Douglas County District Court.
³I was not operating a vehicle; I was exercising my right to travel,²
West, 21, told Judge Robert Fairchild. ³I was in a private vessel on a
religious mission.²
West also said her vessel is her private dwelling.
West is charged with not having a driverıs license, improper vehicle
registration, failure to dim headlights and obstructing the legal
process, all misdemeanors. West was arrested and taken to the Douglas
County Jail after it took 45 minutes to get her to step out of the van
she was driving, Trooper Brady Flannigan said.
West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.
The couple, who were on their way to visit a friend in Lawrence when
they were stopped, recorded the encounter with the troopers and
submitted a CD of the recording to the judge.
According to Godsent and information he presented to reporters outside
court, the couple belong to a group that claims the U.S. is not a
country but a foreign corporation that has invaded America. They are
concerned about implanted identification chips and say sovereign
Americans are being forced to choose between Godıs law and manıs law.
Godsent said the trooper was presented with a card after he stopped
them. The card was labeled ³Sovereign Civilian Police Observation Task
Force.² By the trooper accepting the card he was accepting a contract to
pay a $15,000 gold fee for each question he asked. Godsent said they
will take the matter to court to get paid.
Meanwhile, West, who is free on $1,500 bond, will return to court Oct.
1, when Fairchild will announce his verdicts in the case. If found
guilty, West could face fines and jail sentences. Fairchild wanted to
make a decision on the case next week, but West wasnıt available then.
---
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/sep/01/unusual_hearing_follows_traffic_
stop/
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.

User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 01 Sep 2007 05:04:53 PM
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700 there was an Ancient johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

---
Unusual hearing follows traffic stop

By Mike Belt

September 1, 2007


Laura West claims the Kansas Highway Patrol trooper who stopped her
³vessel² on the night of June 11 west of Lawrence had no right to arrest
her.

Sheıs never had a driverıs license and doesnıt need one, West said as
she represented herself Friday in Douglas County District Court.

³I was not operating a vehicle; I was exercising my right to travel,²
West, 21, told Judge Robert Fairchild. ³I was in a private vessel on a
religious mission.²

West also said her vessel is her private dwelling.

West is charged with not having a driverıs license, improper vehicle
registration, failure to dim headlights and obstructing the legal
process, all misdemeanors. West was arrested and taken to the Douglas
County Jail after it took 45 minutes to get her to step out of the van
she was driving, Trooper Brady Flannigan said.

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.

Found this group's website:
http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/home.html
And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:
http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/22_cops.html
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.
User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 02 Sep 2007 05:11:37 AM
Douglas Berry:

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:

Now I admit I'm not a US insider, but I'd say let them go ahead with these
instructions. It will take them off the street and into (padded?) cells in
a heartbeat as far as I can tell. :)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 15 Sep 2007 03:27:13 PM
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:11:37 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecretary@carcosa.de> wrote:

Douglas Berry:

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:


Now I admit I'm not a US insider, but I'd say let them go ahead with these
instructions. It will take them off the street and into (padded?) cells in
a heartbeat as far as I can tell. :)

A hefty number of padded cells and their institutions were eliminated
by Reagan.
.


User: "johac"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 02 Sep 2007 06:02:32 AM
In article <tp6jd31bvft69ukcqj6o2brbcmr3qdtjcb@4ax.com>,
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700 there was an Ancient johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

---
Unusual hearing follows traffic stop

By Mike Belt

September 1, 2007


Laura West claims the Kansas Highway Patrol trooper who stopped her
³vessel² on the night of June 11 west of Lawrence had no right to arrest
her.

Sheıs never had a driverıs license and doesnıt need one, West said as
she represented herself Friday in Douglas County District Court.

³I was not operating a vehicle; I was exercising my right to travel,²
West, 21, told Judge Robert Fairchild. ³I was in a private vessel on a
religious mission.²

West also said her vessel is her private dwelling.

West is charged with not having a driverıs license, improper vehicle
registration, failure to dim headlights and obstructing the legal
process, all misdemeanors. West was arrested and taken to the Douglas
County Jail after it took 45 minutes to get her to step out of the van
she was driving, Trooper Brady Flannigan said.

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.


Found this group's website:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/home.html

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/22_cops.html

I wonder how far you'd get before they clamp the cuffs on you.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.

User: "Bill Baker"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 13 Sep 2007 10:07:20 PM
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:04:53 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:<tp6jd31bvft69ukcqj6o2brbcmr3qdtjcb@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700 there was an Ancient johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

---
Unusual hearing follows traffic stop

By Mike Belt

September 1, 2007


Laura West claims the Kansas Highway Patrol trooper who stopped her
"vessel" on the night of June 11 west of Lawrence had no right to arrest
her.

She's never had a driver's license and doesn't need one, West said as
she represented herself Friday in Douglas County District Court.

"I was not operating a vehicle; I was exercising my right to travel,"
West, 21, told Judge Robert Fairchild. "I was in a private vessel on a
religious mission."

West also said her vessel is her private dwelling.

West is charged with not having a driver's license, improper vehicle
registration, failure to dim headlights and obstructing the legal
process, all misdemeanors. West was arrested and taken to the Douglas
County Jail after it took 45 minutes to get her to step out of the van
she was driving, Trooper Brady Flannigan said.

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.


Found this group's website:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/home.html

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/22_cops.html

After reading that site, a thought hit me. Do you think John Wentzky took
their advice?
--
<Fashykekes> Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my
uncle Jack off a horse.." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse.."
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 02 Sep 2007 04:47:35 AM
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:04:53 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

Found this group's website:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/home.html

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/22_cops.html

It's Wentzky with a $75 scam attached.
Well ...
Actually they make Wentzky sound sane.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 13 Sep 2007 05:51:43 PM
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:47:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:04:53 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

Found this group's website:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/home.html

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/22_cops.html


It's Wentzky with a $75 scam attached.

Well ...

Actually they make Wentzky sound sane.

Is that actually possible?
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 13 Sep 2007 08:26:53 PM
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:51:43 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:47:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:04:53 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

Found this group's website:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/home.html

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/22_cops.html


It's Wentzky with a $75 scam attached.

Well ...

Actually they make Wentzky sound sane.


Is that actually possible?

There's insane, there's off the map - then there's "map?" Wentzky's
just off the map.
It's like calling Goldwater a flaming liberal - compared to Chimpy.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed
to ignore totally all the patient findings of thinking minds through all
the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant
people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking
among us who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all, who
would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us, who would invade
our schools and libraries and homes."
- Isaac Asimov
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 19 Sep 2007 12:59:36 AM
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:26:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:51:43 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:47:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:04:53 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

Found this group's website:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/home.html

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/22_cops.html


It's Wentzky with a $75 scam attached.

Well ...

Actually they make Wentzky sound sane.


Is that actually possible?


There's insane, there's off the map - then there's "map?" Wentzky's
just off the map.

Ok. I haven't read any of his screed in a long time.

It's like calling Goldwater a flaming liberal - compared to Chimpy.

From the little I recall Barry was a supporter of the Constitution-a
conservative stance.
.




User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 13 Sep 2007 05:51:20 PM
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:04:53 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700 there was an Ancient johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

---
Unusual hearing follows traffic stop

[]

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.


Found this group's website:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/home.html

And you'll love their instructions on how to handle a traffic stop. It
reads like an instruction manual on how to get arrested and have your
car impounded:

http://freedom-flag-fellowship.org/22_cops.html

I'm surprised the both of them actually knew about intercourse much
less how.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 13 Sep 2007 09:24:43 PM
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:51:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

I'm surprised the both of them actually knew about intercourse much
less how.

Mosquitoes reproduce, and they have nothing resembling brains either.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
-
Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 19 Sep 2007 02:58:09 PM
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:24:43 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:51:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

I'm surprised the both of them actually knew about intercourse much
less how.


Mosquitoes reproduce, and they have nothing resembling brains either.

Good point.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 20 Sep 2007 12:51:15 AM
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:58:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:24:43 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:51:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

I'm surprised the both of them actually knew about intercourse much
less how.


Mosquitoes reproduce, and they have nothing resembling brains either.


Good point.

Do Skeeters vote for Bush?
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 20 Sep 2007 04:36:00 PM
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:21:15 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:58:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:24:43 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:51:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

I'm surprised the both of them actually knew about intercourse much
less how.


Mosquitoes reproduce, and they have nothing resembling brains either.


Good point.


Do Skeeters vote for Bush?

Depends on whether you include 2-legged ones.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 28 Sep 2007 01:37:19 AM
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:21:15 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:58:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:24:43 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:51:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

I'm surprised the both of them actually knew about intercourse much
less how.


Mosquitoes reproduce, and they have nothing resembling brains either.


Good point.


Do Skeeters vote for Bush?

Dunno. Ask Diebold.
.






User: ""

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 04 Sep 2007 01:17:06 PM
On 1 sep, 09:53, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

---
Unusual hearing follows traffic stop

By Mike Belt

September 1, 2007

Laura West claims the Kansas Highway Patrol trooper who stopped her
=B3vessel=B2 on the night of June 11 west of Lawrence had no right to arr=

est

her.

She=B9s never had a driver=B9s license and doesn=B9t need one, West said =

as

she represented herself Friday in Douglas County District Court.

=B3I was not operating a vehicle; I was exercising my right to travel,=B2
West, 21, told Judge Robert Fairchild. =B3I was in a private vessel on a
religious mission.=B2

West also said her vessel is her private dwelling.

West is charged with not having a driver=B9s license, improper vehicle
registration, failure to dim headlights and obstructing the legal
process, all misdemeanors. West was arrested and taken to the Douglas
County Jail after it took 45 minutes to get her to step out of the van
she was driving, Trooper Brady Flannigan said.

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.

The couple, who were on their way to visit a friend in Lawrence when
they were stopped, recorded the encounter with the troopers and
submitted a CD of the recording to the judge.

According to Godsent and information he presented to reporters outside
court, the couple belong to a group that claims the U.S. is not a
country but a foreign corporation that has invaded America. They are
concerned about implanted identification chips and say sovereign
Americans are being forced to choose between God=B9s law and man=B9s law.

Godsent said the trooper was presented with a card after he stopped
them. The card was labeled =B3Sovereign Civilian Police Observation Task
Force.=B2 By the trooper accepting the card he was accepting a contract to
pay a $15,000 gold fee for each question he asked. Godsent said they
will take the matter to court to get paid.

Meanwhile, West, who is free on $1,500 bond, will return to court Oct.
1, when Fairchild will announce his verdicts in the case. If found
guilty, West could face fines and jail sentences. Fairchild wanted to
make a decision on the case next week, but West wasn=B9t available then.

---http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/sep/01/unusual_hearing_follows_traf.=

..=2E

stop/
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

I''d say they are rebels and also guilty of attempted swindle
In my view Godsent is worse than west.
But this did not really happen, did it?
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 01 Sep 2007 09:24:26 AM
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

---
Unusual hearing follows traffic stop

By Mike Belt

September 1, 2007


Laura West claims the Kansas Highway Patrol trooper who stopped her
³vessel² on the night of June 11 west of Lawrence had no right to arrest
her.

Sheıs never had a driverıs license and doesnıt need one, West said as
she represented herself Friday in Douglas County District Court.

³I was not operating a vehicle; I was exercising my right to travel,²
West, 21, told Judge Robert Fairchild. ³I was in a private vessel on a
religious mission.²

West also said her vessel is her private dwelling.

West is charged with not having a driverıs license, improper vehicle
registration, failure to dim headlights and obstructing the legal
process, all misdemeanors. West was arrested and taken to the Douglas
County Jail after it took 45 minutes to get her to step out of the van
she was driving, Trooper Brady Flannigan said.

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.

The couple, who were on their way to visit a friend in Lawrence when
they were stopped, recorded the encounter with the troopers and
submitted a CD of the recording to the judge.

According to Godsent and information he presented to reporters outside
court, the couple belong to a group that claims the U.S. is not a
country but a foreign corporation that has invaded America. They are
concerned about implanted identification chips and say sovereign
Americans are being forced to choose between Godıs law and manıs law.

Godsent said the trooper was presented with a card after he stopped
them. The card was labeled ³Sovereign Civilian Police Observation Task
Force.² By the trooper accepting the card he was accepting a contract to
pay a $15,000 gold fee for each question he asked. Godsent said they
will take the matter to court to get paid.

Meanwhile, West, who is free on $1,500 bond, will return to court Oct.
1, when Fairchild will announce his verdicts in the case. If found
guilty, West could face fines and jail sentences. Fairchild wanted to
make a decision on the case next week, but West wasnıt available then.

Whre is the death penalty when you need it.
And these loonies are in charge of a child?
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 02 Sep 2007 06:04:29 AM
In article <9ubid39f16ufftg8pa22977adgq1oh1fj6@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

---
Unusual hearing follows traffic stop

By Mike Belt

September 1, 2007


Laura West claims the Kansas Highway Patrol trooper who stopped her
³vessel² on the night of June 11 west of Lawrence had no right to arrest
her.

Sheıs never had a driverıs license and doesnıt need one, West said as
she represented herself Friday in Douglas County District Court.

³I was not operating a vehicle; I was exercising my right to travel,²
West, 21, told Judge Robert Fairchild. ³I was in a private vessel on a
religious mission.²

West also said her vessel is her private dwelling.

West is charged with not having a driverıs license, improper vehicle
registration, failure to dim headlights and obstructing the legal
process, all misdemeanors. West was arrested and taken to the Douglas
County Jail after it took 45 minutes to get her to step out of the van
she was driving, Trooper Brady Flannigan said.

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.

The couple, who were on their way to visit a friend in Lawrence when
they were stopped, recorded the encounter with the troopers and
submitted a CD of the recording to the judge.

According to Godsent and information he presented to reporters outside
court, the couple belong to a group that claims the U.S. is not a
country but a foreign corporation that has invaded America. They are
concerned about implanted identification chips and say sovereign
Americans are being forced to choose between Godıs law and manıs law.

Godsent said the trooper was presented with a card after he stopped
them. The card was labeled ³Sovereign Civilian Police Observation Task
Force.² By the trooper accepting the card he was accepting a contract to
pay a $15,000 gold fee for each question he asked. Godsent said they
will take the matter to court to get paid.

Meanwhile, West, who is free on $1,500 bond, will return to court Oct.
1, when Fairchild will announce his verdicts in the case. If found
guilty, West could face fines and jail sentences. Fairchild wanted to
make a decision on the case next week, but West wasnıt available then.


Whre is the death penalty when you need it.
And these loonies are in charge of a child?

I grieve for the poor kid and what she may turn out to be if left with
these people.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 02 Sep 2007 04:43:01 AM
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

They're free to believe whatever they want. The "corporation" is free
to confine them to small areas of the "corporation's" property (known
as "prison"). They're also free to live someplace they consider to be
run by a legitimate government.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 02 Sep 2007 05:49:14 AM
In article <hnfkd3tliqgstfif59uvgjjpsb96vervb8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.


They're free to believe whatever they want. The "corporation" is free
to confine them to small areas of the "corporation's" property (known
as "prison"). They're also free to live someplace they consider to be
run by a legitimate government.

And hopefully, the further away the better.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 03 Sep 2007 12:09:16 AM
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:49:14 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <hnfkd3tliqgstfif59uvgjjpsb96vervb8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.


They're free to believe whatever they want. The "corporation" is free
to confine them to small areas of the "corporation's" property (known
as "prison"). They're also free to live someplace they consider to be
run by a legitimate government.


And hopefully, the further away the better.

I hear the Iranian government is "legitimate". And respects religious
beliefs.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 03 Sep 2007 04:25:37 AM
In article <a4kmd3plqdet7vqsbr1oo14fmaen7enesv@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:49:14 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <hnfkd3tliqgstfif59uvgjjpsb96vervb8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.


They're free to believe whatever they want. The "corporation" is free
to confine them to small areas of the "corporation's" property (known
as "prison"). They're also free to live someplace they consider to be
run by a legitimate government.


And hopefully, the further away the better.


I hear the Iranian government is "legitimate". And respects religious
beliefs.

They'd fit right in.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 03 Sep 2007 12:34:21 AM
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:09:16 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:49:14 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <hnfkd3tliqgstfif59uvgjjpsb96vervb8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:36 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.


They're free to believe whatever they want. The "corporation" is free
to confine them to small areas of the "corporation's" property (known
as "prison"). They're also free to live someplace they consider to be
run by a legitimate government.


And hopefully, the further away the better.


I hear the Iranian government is "legitimate". And respects religious
beliefs.

At least as much as does the US Government, on both counts.
.




User: ""

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 01 Sep 2007 07:07:47 PM
On Sep 1, 3:53 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

snippy

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.

Oh, sure. "We're not obligated to man's law." Until it's time to call
911. I was tempted to call them hypocrites, but I don't think they're
that smart. I'll bet they never saw the irony.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 02 Sep 2007 05:51:00 AM
In article <1188673667.704826.119190@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:

On Sep 1, 3:53 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense.


snippy

West was traveling with her partner, J.M. Sovereign: Godsent, and her
2-year-old daughter. West and Godsent, who testified as her only
witness, said they were afraid of the trooper and his supervisor, who
was called to the scene of the car stop at U.S. Highway 40 and the South
Lawrence Trafficway. They made calls to 911 and claimed West was being
kidnapped as she was arrested.


Oh, sure. "We're not obligated to man's law." Until it's time to call
911. I was tempted to call them hypocrites, but I don't think they're
that smart. I'll bet they never saw the irony.

Yes. It's the same with these people who claim that government is evil,
government is bad, until their house is on fire or they've been robbed.


-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 04 Sep 2007 03:13:34 AM
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:51:00 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Yes. It's the same with these people who claim that government is evil,
government is bad, until their house is on fire or they've been robbed.

"But that's not *the government*, that's what I pay taxes for."
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 04 Sep 2007 05:51:44 AM
In article <t9jpd3ht4oj1qd5kcioaad632iit1eiadn@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:51:00 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Yes. It's the same with these people who claim that government is evil,
government is bad, until their house is on fire or they've been robbed.


"But that's not *the government*, that's what I pay taxes for."

Then when the fire's out they complain about taxes again.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 04 Sep 2007 12:46:36 PM
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:51:44 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <t9jpd3ht4oj1qd5kcioaad632iit1eiadn@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:51:00 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Yes. It's the same with these people who claim that government is evil,
government is bad, until their house is on fire or they've been robbed.


"But that's not *the government*, that's what I pay taxes for."


Then when the fire's out they complain about taxes again.

Taxes? When the fire's out, they complain that too much money is
spent on firemen. Religion causes you to stop thinking in ALL areas.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 05 Sep 2007 04:58:33 AM
In article <nrkqd3dl4ufj6oblsf6s3sj1vapmks19bu@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:51:44 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <t9jpd3ht4oj1qd5kcioaad632iit1eiadn@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:51:00 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Yes. It's the same with these people who claim that government is evil,
government is bad, until their house is on fire or they've been robbed.


"But that's not *the government*, that's what I pay taxes for."


Then when the fire's out they complain about taxes again.


Taxes? When the fire's out, they complain that too much money is
spent on firemen. Religion causes you to stop thinking in ALL areas.

Yeah. They'll tell the firemen that they get paid too much and they made
a big mess on his floor with their muddy boots, and the broke a window,
so he's going to sue.
This is your brain on religion.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Fundy weirdness: Unusual hearing follows traffic stop 15 Sep 2007 03:30:25 PM
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:58:33 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <nrkqd3dl4ufj6oblsf6s3sj1vapmks19bu@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:51:44 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <t9jpd3ht4oj1qd5kcioaad632iit1eiadn@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:51:00 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Yes. It's the same with these people who claim that government is evil,
government is bad, until their house is on fire or they've been robbed.


"But that's not *the government*, that's what I pay taxes for."


Then when the fire's out they complain about taxes again.


Taxes? When the fire's out, they complain that too much money is
spent on firemen. Religion causes you to stop thinking in ALL areas.


Yeah. They'll tell the firemen that they get paid too much and they made
a big mess on his floor with their muddy boots, and the broke a window,
so he's going to sue.

This is your brain on religion.

Sans brain stem.
.








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