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18 Sep 2003 12:25:35 PM |
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Galileo to collide with Jupiter on Sunday |
It's been a good run - Galileo entered Jovian orbit back in 1995, and its
mission has been extended three times, including 24 additional orbits - but
at last it's time to say goodbye to another of humanity's messengers to the
stars. Goodbye, Galileo - you were magnificent.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After eight years orbiting Jupiter, NASA's Galileo
space probe will end its long mission on Sunday by plunging through the
Jovian cloud tops and smashing into the giant planet -- collecting data as
it goes.
Low on propellant and six years past its original end date, Galileo has set
a collision course with Jupiter to eliminate any unwanted crash into the
Jovian moon Europa, officials at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory said in a
statement.
The spacecraft is so low on fuel it will not be able to point its antenna
toward Earth or adjust its trajectory, but scientists believe it will be
able to send back a few hours of information on its last descent.
More at
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=3463262
also:
http://galileo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/images.html
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19 Sep 2003 01:24:33 AM |
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In article <hYlab.1901$tz5.479@news02.roc.ny>,
"Adam Marczyk" <see@sig.com> wrote:
It's been a good run - Galileo entered Jovian orbit back in 1995, and its
mission has been extended three times, including 24 additional orbits - but
at last it's time to say goodbye to another of humanity's messengers to the
stars. Goodbye, Galileo - you were magnificent.
Ave atque vale, Galileo! And a salute to all those who planned and
built you. Well done!
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John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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18 Sep 2003 04:34:46 PM |
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In article <hYlab.1901$tz5.479@news02.roc.ny>, says...
It's been a good run - Galileo entered Jovian orbit back in 1995,
That's only if you believe that infidel Galileo, of course :). On the
off chance that others haven't suggested it, I recommend that they play
"Bohemian Rhapsody" as part of the last rites. You know, "Thunderbolt
and lightning, very, very fright'ning me.(Galileo.) Galileo. (Galileo.)
Galileo, Galileo figaro..." Plus, of course they should read various of
his well known quotes:
(perhaps some of these will do)
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
"In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the
humble reasoning of a single individual."
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not
with the Scriptures, but with experiments, and demonstrations."
"It vexes me when they would constrain science by the authority of the
Scriptures, and yet do not consider themselves bound to answer reason and
experiment."
"It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is
proved."
"To command the professors of astronomy to confute their own observations
is to enjoin an impossibility, for it is to command them not to see what
they do see, and not to understand what they do understand, and to find
what they do not discover."
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Coast2CoastAM666" |
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19 Sep 2003 04:39:27 AM |
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It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation. There is a
chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft will ignite
a thermonuclear explosion and begin process of converting this "gas giant"
planet into a new born STAR.
No one in their right mind (arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small it might
be. But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the politically correct
decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to plunge the thing instead into
Jupiter.
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| User: "Mark W" |
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19 Sep 2003 10:42:01 AM |
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"Coast2CoastAM666" <coast2coastam666@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030919053927.16573.00001209@mb-m02.aol.com...
It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation. There is
a
chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft will
ignite
a thermonuclear explosion and begin process of converting this "gas giant"
planet into a new born STAR.
U238 isn't fissile. Nor would a bomb that size generate enough heat to begin
a fusion reaction that would remain sustained.
No one in their right mind (arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small it
might
be. But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the politically correct
decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to plunge the thing instead
into
Jupiter.
Bite me
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| User: "Dr. Smartass" |
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19 Sep 2003 07:52:47 PM |
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(Coast2CoastAM666) wrote in
news:20030919053927.16573.00001209@mb-m02.aol.com:
It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation.
There is a chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude
spacecraft will ignite a thermonuclear explosion and begin process of
converting this "gas giant" planet into a new born STAR.
Jupiter doesn't have enough mass for that, jackass. If it did, it would
have happened already and we'd be in a binary system (though probably not
for very long--but the good side of that is that there would be no
scientifically illiterate imbeciles such as yourself. It'd be a worthwhile
trade).
No one in their right mind (arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small
it might be. But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the
politically correct decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to
plunge the thing instead into Jupiter.
Maybe we should send you up there, too. We need a few experiments to show
the effects of Jupiter's electromagnetic field on imbecile brain tissues.
The pope's too old, so we need someone like you. I assume you can hold your
breath for extended periods?
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them."
--Rush, "The Weapon"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Sep 2003 09:49:49 AM |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:52:47 +0000, Dr. Smartass didn't write:
<piggybacking>
coast2coastam666@aol.com (Coast2CoastAM666) wrote in
news:20030919053927.16573.00001209@mb-m02.aol.com:
It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation. There
is a chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft
will ignite a thermonuclear explosion and begin process of converting
this "gas giant" planet into a new born STAR.
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DAMN! Do they require lobotomies for joining churches these days?
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2003 11:03:06 AM |
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(Coast2CoastAM666) wrote in message news:<20030919053927.16573.00001209@mb-m02.aol.com>...
It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation. There is a
chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft will ignite
a thermonuclear explosion
and begin process of converting this "gas giant"
planet into a new born STAR.
The people who replied before me addressed the fact that Galileo
doesn't contain 500 pounds of uranium 238, but 48 to 50 pounds of
plutonium 238. It cannot create a nuclear explosion. Also, Jupiter
doesn't have enough mass to sustain nuclear fusion at its core. If it
did, it would be a star, not a planet.
No one in their right mind (arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small it might
be.
People who actually have an understanding of physics and astronomy
know that there is *no* risk of the disaster that you seem to fear.
It's the arrogant jack-***** pseodoscientists and net kooks who promote
this foolishness.
But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the politically
correct
decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to plunge the thing instead into
Jupiter.
You won't have to worry long, this warning of doom and gloom will be
resolved tomorrow, after Galileo burns up in Jupiter's atmosphere just
as NASA planned.
When the above catastrophe doesn't happen, and the pseudoscientists
and net kooks are, once again, proven wrong, what will you do? Will
you post a retraction, and apologize for the unwarranted insulting
remarks you made about NASA and its scientists?
Regards
Earthling
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Sep 2003 11:06:37 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:03:06 -0700, earthling482003 wrote:
When the above catastrophe doesn't happen, and the pseudoscientists and
net kooks are, once again, proven wrong, what will you do? Will you post
a retraction, and apologize for the unwarranted insulting remarks you made
about NASA and its scientists?
They never do. They run off to the next "disaster" and scream about
"arrogant scientists" and "meddling with god's creation" and the usual
crap.
Being wrong *every *single *time never seems to faze them...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "" |
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22 Sep 2003 10:18:40 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.21.04.06.37.614123@eac.org>...
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:03:06 -0700, earthling482003 wrote:
When the above catastrophe doesn't happen, and the pseudoscientists and
net kooks are, once again, proven wrong, what will you do? Will you post
a retraction, and apologize for the unwarranted insulting remarks you made
about NASA and its scientists?
They never do. They run off to the next "disaster" and scream about
"arrogant scientists" and "meddling with god's creation" and the usual
crap.
Being wrong *every *single *time never seems to faze them...
It's sad but true.
Regards
Earthling
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2003 11:06:51 AM |
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(Coast2CoastAM666) wrote in message news:<20030919053927.16573.00001209@mb-m02.aol.com>...
It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation. There is a
chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft will ignite
a thermonuclear explosion and begin process of converting this "gas giant"
planet into a new born STAR.
No one in their right mind (arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small it might
be. But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the politically correct
decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to plunge the thing instead into
Jupiter.
Oops! I forgot to suggest that you go to Phil Plaits Bad Astronomy
web site. He gives an excellent explanation of this and other
misconceptions about astronomy and space exploration. It's at:
badastronomy.com
Regards
Earthling
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| User: "Robert Schneider" |
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19 Sep 2003 10:26:26 AM |
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(Coast2CoastAM666) wrote in message news:<20030919053927.16573.00001209@mb-m02.aol.com>...
It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation. There is a
chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft will ignite
a thermonuclear explosion and begin process of converting this "gas giant"
planet into a new born STAR.
Uh. No. Jupiter would need to be 80 times more massive to start and
maintain a fusion reaction. Also, Uranium-238 is not fissible but
Uranium-235 is.
No one in their right mind (arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small it might
be. But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the politically correct
decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to plunge the thing instead into
Jupiter.
Jupiter gets hit with much bigger things than Galileo from time to
time (see July 1994). There were idiots back then that thought that
Jupiter would blow up because of the cometary impacts.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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19 Sep 2003 11:08:46 AM |
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In article <20030919053927.16573.00001209@mb-m02.aol.com>,
coast2coastam666@aol.com says...
It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation. There is a
chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft will ignite
a thermonuclear explosion and begin process of converting this "gas giant"
planet into a new born STAR.
LOL. I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. The amount of energy put off
by 500 pounds of fairly low grade U238 would be utterly insignificant,
despite what they might show on movies like "Battlefield Earth", where
you apparently got your information.
No one in their right mind
I'm not sure how much you know about people being in their "right mind".
The so-called risk you're talking about is nonexistent.
(arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small it might
be.
Galileo's kinetic energy is substantially higher than the heat capacity
of its batteries. Furthermore, there have been much more energetic
impacts into Jupiter, such as Shoemaker-Levy 9. Jupiter most likely gets
hit rather frequently by multi-100 megaton equivalent impacts of large
space debris.
But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the politically correct
decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to plunge the thing instead into
Jupiter.
Galileo's orbit will eventually decay. Jupiter is by far the easiest
planetary target in the solar system. The fact is that galileo would
probably not significantly contaminate europa anyway, since it has such a
minuscule payload. In any event, I'm sure Europa has been hit many times
in the past by all kinds of things including radioactive substances.
While sometimes the NASA folks do some screwy things, this one is
eminently safe and very pragmatic, given the constraints.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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19 Sep 2003 10:38:42 AM |
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On 19 Sep 2003 09:39:27 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
coast2coastam666@aol.com (Coast2CoastAM666) scrawl a message on the
wall:
It's been a good run - Galileo>>
Another case of poorly tutored Man tinkering with God's Creation. There is a
chance that the 500 pounds of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft will ignite
a thermonuclear explosion and begin process of converting this "gas giant"
planet into a new born STAR.
ROTFLMAO!
Shoemaker-Levy 9 hit with tens of millions times as much force and
Jupiter swallowed it without a burp.
As for Jupiter becoming a star, nowhere near enough mass.
No one in their right mind (arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small it might
be. But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the politically correct
decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to plunge the thing instead into
Jupiter.
I love idiots
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Douglas Berry
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Ichimusai" |
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19 Sep 2003 08:19:45 PM |
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begin "Coast2CoastAM666" == Coast2CoastAM666
<coast2coastam666@aol.com> declares:
It's been a good run - Galileo>> Another case of poorly tutored Man
tinkering with God's Creation. There is a chance that the 500 pounds
of Uranium 238 on this crude spacecraft will ignite a thermonuclear
explosion and begin process of converting this "gas giant" planet
into a new born STAR.
First of all, uranium 238 is also called depleted uranium and acts
mostly as a neutron shield and is not very fissile at all, thats why
it is only used in the mantle in a-bombs. I guess you don't know the
difference between the various isotopes of uranium.
Secondly there is no U-238 on board the Galileo, but there is some
plutonium. I guess you don't see the difference between U-238 and
Pu-238... There was a container of 49,25 pounds of plutonium on board
the Galileo which serve as its energy source, today my guesstimate is
that it is about 48 pounds left. Pu-2238 is not very fissile either,
though it decays and gives off energy enough to power the space crafts
instruments and radio equipment, something solar panels can not do at
this distance from the sun. I guess you were thinking of Pu-239
instead. Compressing this will not cause it to go boom. Capisce?
Third, there is no risk even if you do make a 49 pound fission bomb
and drop it in Jupiter like that that you will "ignite" the planet
"into a new born STAR", because it has not got enough mass to start up
as a fusion reactor. In order to do that you would have to increase
its mass a lot, about 80 times it present mass in order to become a
star. I guess you don't know how stars work either.
No one in their right mind (arrogant jack-asses who today pass for
"scientists") would ever dare take such a risk --no matter HOW small
it might be. But, leave it up to the morons at NASA to make the
politically correct decision to "avoid contaminating" Europa and to
plunge the thing instead into Jupiter.
Why don't you actually finish college and get a clue before you open
your ignorant clap trap mouth?
Rambling idiot. Take off the Bat Boy T-shirt and stop believing
everything Weekly World News prints.
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Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"Black holes are where God divided by zero."
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19 Sep 2003 12:55:43 AM |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:25:35 +0000, Adam Marczyk wrote:
It's been a good run - Galileo entered Jovian orbit back in 1995, and its
mission has been extended three times, including 24 additional orbits - but
at last it's time to say goodbye to another of humanity's messengers to the
stars. Goodbye, Galileo - you were magnificent.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After eight years orbiting Jupiter, NASA's Galileo
space probe will end its long mission on Sunday by plunging through the
Jovian cloud tops and smashing into the giant planet -- collecting data as
it goes.
Yeah, but how do the Jupertarians feel about it?
Bob
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20 Sep 2003 10:37:12 AM |
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"Bob" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.19.05.47.19.194878@nospam.com>...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:25:35 +0000, Adam Marczyk wrote:
It's been a good run - Galileo entered Jovian orbit back in 1995, and its
mission has been extended three times, including 24 additional orbits - but
at last it's time to say goodbye to another of humanity's messengers to the
stars. Goodbye, Galileo - you were magnificent.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After eight years orbiting Jupiter, NASA's Galileo
space probe will end its long mission on Sunday by plunging through the
Jovian cloud tops and smashing into the giant planet -- collecting data as
it goes.
Yeah, but how do the Jupertarians feel about it?
Bob
They're jovial!
Regards
Earthling
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19 Sep 2003 01:08:19 AM |
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Bob <Bob@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:25:35 +0000, Adam Marczyk wrote:
It's been a good run - Galileo entered Jovian orbit back in 1995, and its
mission has been extended three times, including 24 additional orbits - but
at last it's time to say goodbye to another of humanity's messengers to the
stars. Goodbye, Galileo - you were magnificent.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After eight years orbiting Jupiter, NASA's Galileo
space probe will end its long mission on Sunday by plunging through the
Jovian cloud tops and smashing into the giant planet -- collecting data as
it goes.
Yeah, but how do the Jupertarians feel about it?
Jovians. I'll bet they are relatively unconcerned.
--
John Wilkins wilkins.id.au
For long you live and high you fly,
and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
and all you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be
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20 Sep 2003 10:22:25 AM |
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(John Wilkins) wrote in alt.atheism
Bob <Bob@nospam.com> wrote:
Adam Marczyk wrote:
It's been a good run - Galileo entered Jovian orbit back in 1995, and its
mission has been extended three times, including 24 additional orbits - but
at last it's time to say goodbye to another of humanity's messengers to the
stars. Goodbye, Galileo - you were magnificent.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After eight years orbiting Jupiter, NASA's Galileo
space probe will end its long mission on Sunday by plunging through the
Jovian cloud tops and smashing into the giant planet -- collecting data as
it goes.
Yeah, but how do the Jupertarians feel about it?
Jovians. I'll bet they are relatively unconcerned.
Surely they're jovial about it.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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20 Sep 2003 12:24:49 PM |
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In article <9dsomv0tmbk7sav9edftuooj7b7hn3f643@4ax.com>,
elo@airmail.net says...
wilkins@wehi.edu.au (John Wilkins) wrote in alt.atheism
Bob <Bob@nospam.com> wrote:
Adam Marczyk wrote:
It's been a good run - Galileo entered Jovian orbit back in 1995, and its
mission has been extended three times, including 24 additional orbits - but
at last it's time to say goodbye to another of humanity's messengers to the
stars. Goodbye, Galileo - you were magnificent.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After eight years orbiting Jupiter, NASA's Galileo
space probe will end its long mission on Sunday by plunging through the
Jovian cloud tops and smashing into the giant planet -- collecting data as
it goes.
Yeah, but how do the Jupertarians feel about it?
Jovians. I'll bet they are relatively unconcerned.
Surely they're jovial about it.
"Spacecraft keep falling on my head..."
Ian
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